Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

President’s Lincoln NQ1 on April 14th 1865 offered the telling symbolism for the assassination of President Lincoln. No sidereal astrologer could have predicted the death of President Lincoln on this date. The sidereal astrologer would only have recognized it would likely not be a good day for the President. There is striking, appropriate astrological symbolism for the event.

Jim’s teaches the astrologer to always look for angular contacts to portray the main astrological theme, the closer the angular contact—the more potent the symbolism. The Mid-Point of Saturn/Neptune is partile the Descending angle.

Bradley states pertaining to Saturn-Neptune symbolism:
“A real throne-toppler, this. Among its paramount “keywords is “removal,” which Saturn-Neptune surely takes first prize…” ‘Solar and Lunar Returns’

Note the ‘reigning’ partile aspects which supports, with appropriate astrological symbolism, the removal ‘theme’ of angular Saturn-Neptune:
1: Mars partile 45 Saturn. 2: Mars partile 180 Sun. 3: Saturn partile 135 Sun. 4: Mercury partile 135 Uranus. 5: Transiting Moon partile 0 progressed Neptune, tightly conjunct progressed Saturn. 6: Transiting Saturn partile conjunct Natal Mars.

Birth time data: Feb.12th 1809, 6:54 AM, LMT, Hodgenville, Ky. AA-rating.

*If needed, click on open space inside chart—to enlarge.

by Jim Eshelman on Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:59 am

Good example.

Lincoln died April 15, 1865, at 7:22 AM.

TRANSITS;
t. Neptune conj. r. Venus (26' sep.). Uranus semisquare r. Uranus (44' sep). Saturn conj. r. Mars (51' sep) and sq. r. Moon (39' ap.) [thus 6' from the midpoint] (and triggered by t. Sun opposite the Mars partile). He expired the minute that natal Saturn crossed the Descendant.

One could easily argue that transits alone were sufficient to show the general type of event and the exact timing of it.

SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS:
Progressed Sun and Mars were still within 1° of mutual opposition (but he had, of course, just finished fighting and winning a war). Progressed Mercury was nearly out of the partile conjunction with his Jupiter.

QUOTIDIANS:
The Q2 shows Lincoln's natal Moon 1' of arc from the Descendant, which, of course, is the Anaereta (death position); and it is squared by natal Mars (one of his most distinctive aspects).

As Steve pointed out, the Q1 places Lincoln's Saturn-Neptune conjunction near the Descendant, though neither of the planets is within a 1° orb ecliptically. Saturn, though, is about half a degree from the Descendant in mundo - again, the emphasis is on the Anaereta.

SIDEREAL SOLAR RETURN:
Lincoln's natal Moon-Mars square was right on the angles - though I'd have much preferred transiting Mars (which at least was on the natal IC.) Transiting Sun conjoined the SSR MC at the time of assassination, which would have been totally off except that it triggered the prior pattern.

SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN:
With Ascendant 11°01' Taurus, this again placed natal Saturn (and, close by, Neptune) right on the Descendant. Venus on the Eastpoint may have referred to other life factors, or the evening at the theater, or the popular response to his death. The Demi-Lunar of April 3 only added the Nepotune conjunction to his Venus on the IC.

SIDEREAL ANLUNAR RETURN:
This wasn't impressive. Quite the opposite. Jupiters, Uranuses, and Moons.

KINETIC LUNAR RETURN:
The Demi-KLR of April 5 placed transiting Saturn in the degree of the Ascendant at 4°59' Libra, exactly tied into the natal Moon-Mars square. The full KLR on March 23 had transiting Pluto in the degree of the Descendant paran the Moon in the degree of the IC.

by SteveS on Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:09 pm

Jim wrote:
Lincoln died April 15, 1865, at 7:22 AM.

I knew you had done a-lot of research with the Presidents. I goggled finding an app. Time (10:15 PM) for the actual shooting—hence the time of Lincoln’s NQ1.

Jim wrote:
One could easily argue that transits alone were sufficient to show the general type of event and the exact timing of it.

Excellent point!

Jim wrote:
SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS:
Progressed Sun and Mars were still within 1° of mutual opposition (but he had, of course, just finished fighting and winning a war). Progressed Mercury was nearly out of the partile conjunction with his Jupiter.

Also note his 1865 SSR with Jupiter partile the Vertex, tightly opposing Uranus. His SQ1 on April 14th 1865, the day of the assassination, featured Jupiter partile conjunct SQ1 IC. Natal Jupiter was tightly conjunct his SQI Descendant on the 14th. I think the war had ended a few days before the fateful day of the 14th. Delineating this potent SSR/SQ1 Jupiter-Uranus feature, using the ‘thank you lord’ foot note from Ebertin’s ‘COSI’—tells the sidereal astrologer President Lincoln was psychologically in a Jupiterian state of mind with this long bloody war finally coming to an end—a festive Jupiterian mood by taking in a play that evening at the theatre. This reminds me when Fagan stated-- one day he had experience 3 different circumstances with 3 different quotidians—with contradicting symbolism. Most astrologers don’t use the Vertex. Your book, ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’, is the only book I know that places emphasis on partile aspects with the Vertex, particularly conjunctions. The only pertinent symbolism I see with Lincoln’s 1865 SSR, symbolizing a good possibility of foretelling the end of the War, by psychologically experiencing a Jupiter effect is with your SSR Vertex teachings—also helps prove that a partile conjunct aspect with the Vertex should never be overlooked.

More later—got to deal with an interruption.

Regards Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:13 pm

SteveS wrote:
I knew you had done a-lot of research with the Presidents. I goggled finding an app. Time (10:15 PM) for the actual shooting—hence the time of Lincoln’s NQ1.

In some ways, that's probably better - but I'd gotten the exact time of Lincoln's death for the "Presidents inaugurated" study since the minute of Lincoln's death was the minute that Johnson automatically became President.

by SteveS on Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:40 pm

Jim—your book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ has taught me with a glace of the eye, in most cases, to quickly recognize the pertinent symbolism of any SSR-- which can be applied to any scope. When I first looked (last week) at Lincoln’s Natal Chart, my first thought was—this was the symbolism which manifested with his Presidency during the Civil War. I know nothing about his life outside his Presidency but it appears to me most of the main symbolic ‘themes’ of his Natal symbolism manifested during the Civil War.

You teach to first look for any foreground angular symbolism. We immediately see a tight angular Sun (Asc.) in Paran to Neptune (MC), with Neptune conjunct a foreground MC Saturn. The next step in your teachings is to look at the Moon and its aspects. We find a tight 90 with Lincoln’s Natal Moon & Mars. Your book teaches this will offer the main ‘themes’. We could go into layered details with more natal analysis— but all-in-all-- the above symbolism offers the sidereal astrologer a solid hint for Lincoln experiencing an environment involving strife and separation, with convoluted/nebulous situations. Would you agree most of the above symbolism manifested in his environment with the Civil War?

Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:46 pm

Yes, that's where his destiny came out. And the Capricorn Moon plus culminating Saturn-Neptune shows well for his morose temperament.

I think the only main theme you missed was the easy one: This President, titled "The Great Emancipator," was born with the Sun in Aquarius!

by SteveS on Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:26 pm

Jim wrote:
And the Capricorn Moon plus culminating Saturn-Neptune shows well for his morose temperament.
I think the only main theme you missed was the easy one: This President, titled "The Great Emancipator," was born with the Sun in Aquarius!

Yes –Dead-On symbolism here! I often overlook constellation and ‘temperament’ symbolism which is very important to the practicing astrologer. I get wrapped-up with time-frame Sidereal charts with what/how the planetary aspects symbolize certain psychological experiences for the native.

As I mention earlier pertaining to your Vertex teachings, I find Lincoln’s 1865 SSR interesting in respect to the Jupiter-Uranus opposition falling on the Vertex-Anti-Vertex axis. The end of the Civil War had to be a huge psychological event for Lincoln as President. Again quoting Ebertin’s words for the psychological nature of Jupiter-Uranus aspects:

“They indicate, in most cases, inner tensions or strains which are suddenly released. At one time, the author named this configuration the “Thank the Lord” position, because people having such a configuration have repeatedly exclaimed the words “Thank the Lord” after the release of the tension or stain from which they were suffering.”

I have found in my studies, Ebertin’s delineation of this aspect to be dead-on symbolism. We know the Civil War had to put a tremendous ‘strain’ on Lincoln as President.

Jim, do you know how to calculate the mathematical odds for Jupiter falling partile Lincoln’s 1865 SSR Vertex?

by Jim Eshelman on Wed Feb 18, 2009 4:35 pm

SteveS wrote:
Jim, do you know how to calculate the mathematical odds for Jupiter falling partile Lincoln’s 1865 SSR Vertex?

Using a 1 degree orb for a conjunction only to any point, you are using 2 out of 360 degrees, or one chance in 180.

Don’t we also have to factor in birth time and locational latitude for this SSR Jupiter partile the Vertex?

Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Thu Feb 19, 2009 3:40 pm

SteveS wrote:
Don’t we also have to factor in birth time and locational latitude for this SSR Jupiter partile the Vertex?

There is nothing in your original question - which may be stated as, "What are the odds of Jupiter being partile conjunct the Vertex in a given chart?" - which presumes the location of Jupiter. We, therefore, presume that we are allowing for Jupiter (or any other planet) to be in any position of the zodiac. (That's part of the "What are the odds?") Though the odds of a specific degree being on the Vertex will vary significantly at different points in the zodiac and for different latitudes, these average out when the entire 360° of the zodiac are considered.

There could be some small unevenness if the curve for the expected probability of Jupiter being in particular location (longitude) and the expectation of the Vertex being in a given location, happened to line up just right - but, since I don't have tables for the expected distribution of Jupiter in each degree of the zodiac (as we have for the inner planets except Venus), then we can't calculate this. It would, however, be a very small effect since Jupiter's orbit has a relatively low eccentricity.

Birth time doesn't have anything to do with it. The question is simpler because we aren't presuming anything in advance and just asking, "What are the odds of this aspect for any person in any situation in any place at any time?" And that is going to be exactly, for very close to, two chances out of 360 or 0.00555...

by SteveS on Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:59 pm

Thanks Jim—it is difficult for me to understand certain aspects of the astronomy as it pertains to Sidereal Astrology and their charts. I just run the charts and follow your guidelines from your book, which offers the best delineating methods I have ever studied and I have studied many astrological books.

Regards, Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:07 pm

BTW, I just noticed that the Jupiter conjunction wasn't partile. It was 1°39'. The odds that a planet would be within this orb randomly are 0.00917, or about one time in 109. The odds that it would be within 2° is double that of partile, or four times out of 360 (1/90 = 0.0111...).

by SteveS on Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:22 am

I stand corrected. Would you interpret Lincoln's 1865 SSR Jupiter tightly conjunct the Vertex tightly opposing SSR Uranus as the symbolism for Lincoln psychological experiencing a 'release of strains' with the end of the Civil War?

I realize the main theme of Lincoln's 1865 SSR is Saturn-Caput close to the IC. It is interesting to note Ebertin's 'Biological' delineation of Saturn-Caput:

"Seperation from the astral body: The mystery of the three days.-The organism as affected by shock-events..."

A somewhat perplexing Ebertin conclusion pertaing to 'Biological' events for Saturn-Caput.

Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:45 am

SteveS wrote:
I stand corrected. Would you interpret Lincoln's 1865 SSR Jupiter tightly conjunct the Vertex tightly opposing SSR Uranus as the symbolism for Lincoln psychological experiencing a 'release of strains' with the end of the Civil War?

More or less; but I'd really want to leave the Uranus out of the picture. Uranus is outside the 3° orb for the Vertex axis, Jupiter-Uranus is in the immediate background and non-partile, etc.; but Jupiter, dignified in its own sign, is conjunct the Vertex. Really, that's the only part of the combination I'd count. The Jupiter is highlighted further by a square from solar Moon, but, even then, it's a pretty wide one.

The main indication is Lincoln's natal Moon-Mars square right on the angles, as it had been for his entire time in Washington; and Saturn's aspect thereto. The most important Jupiter element is solar Jupiter square natal Jupiter 0°47''. (Remember, partile aspects count regardless.)

I realize the main theme of Lincoln's 1865 SSR is Saturn-Caput close to the IC. It is interesting to note Ebertin's 'Biological' delineation of Saturn-Caput:

"Seperation from the astral body: The mystery of the three days.-The organism as affected by shock-events..."

A somewhat perplexing Ebertin conclusion pertaing to 'Biological' events for Saturn-Caput.

The astral body can most definitely be considered "biological," especially in its denser aspects, where it is the intersection point between the psyche and the body.

by SteveS on Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:58 am

Jim wrote:
The main indication is Lincoln's natal Moon-Mars square right on the angles, as it had been for his entire time in Washington; and Saturn's aspect thereto.

Yes Jim—I am now on the same page with you. So with Natal Mars on the SSR IC squaring natal Moon- and when a retrograde SSR Saturn moved to partile conjunct Natal Mars and SSR IC—combined with the duplicating symbolism of partile 45 Mars-Saturn/ NQ1 Descendant on April 14-15—timed the exact day of this tragic event. Man—when we ponder the precision timing of this Sidereal Astrology—it’s simply boggles the mind!

Regards, Steve

by SteveS on Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:28 am

Jim wrote:
The astral body can most definitely be considered "biological," especially in its denser aspects, where it is the intersection point between the psyche and the body.

I understand your statement—but what I don’t understand is how Caput could have anything to do with the astral body. Ebertin did a-lot of astrological research. Have you come across any other astrological work(s) that associates Caput with the astral body?

Steve

by Jim Eshelman on Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:13 am

SteveS wrote:
I understand your statement—but what I don’t understand is how Caput could have anything to do with the astral body. Ebertin did a-lot of astrological research. Have you come across any other astrological work(s) that associates Caput with the astral body?

Well, I'm not saying I agree with that one... but to theoretically answer your question, Caput is, after all, lunar, and does foremost signify linkages.

by SteveS on Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:19 pm

Jim wrote:
Well, I'm not saying I agree with that one... but to theoretically answer your question, Caput is, after all, lunar, and does foremost signify linkages.

Good point Jim! Maybe what we have learned from this discussion with Lincoln 1865 SSR is to pay closer attention to Caput-- when it is foreground in conjunction with a SSR planet -which as you have pointed out adds a significant lunar blend.

Steve

Good point Jim! Maybe what we have learned from this discussion with Lincoln 1865 SSR is to pay closer attention to Caput-- when it is foreground in conjunction with a SSR planet -which as you have pointed out adds a significant lunar blend.

Oh, I don't know if I'd agree with you on that. I think it's worth noting - but not with anywhere near the importance of a planet. More like an important footnote. Over the years I keep cycling between not even putting it in a chart (to reduce the clutter) vs. being glad it's there for a rare moment.

y SteveS on Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:31 pm

Jim, since a Sidereal Astrologer would have recognized the dangerous symbolism with Lincoln’s 1865 SSR and April 14-15 NQI, do you believe if Lincoln would have heeded the counsel of a Sidereal Astrologer—this tragic event could have been prevented with certain precautionary measures?

by Jim Eshelman on Fri Feb 20, 2009 10:35 pm

SteveS wrote:
Jim, since a Sidereal Astrologer would have recognized the dangerous symbolism with Lincoln’s 1865 SSR and April 14-15 NQI, do you believe if Lincoln would have heeded the counsel of a Sidereal Astrologer—this tragic event could have been prevented with certain precautionary measures?

Probably.

One wonders, though, whether the nation needed that particular sacrifice as part of its ongoing ritual. (The DC Arilunar in 1865 April 12 had a Moon partile opposition to a 6' Mercury-Pluto conjunction in Aries, with Pluto in mundo less than 2° from the MC. Also Venus partile square the Ascendant. The Capsolar had Saturn near the IC in Libra.)

Indeed! Looking at the symbolism of the April 12th 1865 Airlunar-- does make one wonder that it was an unavoidable, fated, tragic event. Interesting observation!

Steve

by Wayne Turner on Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:16 am

Hi all,
After looking these charts over I find several points of interest, and I confess the time of 6:54 am LMT looks quite good, though I'd like to do more work with his chart eventually. There is a close quadnovile--160° aspect--between Venus and Saturn in his final solar return, which might be interpreted in various ways, including "honored dead." I don't usually cross compare midpoints between charts, but the progressed Uranus at 16Li21 is 150° from the solar return Mars at 16Ta24, and solar return Sun is exactly at the midpoint at 1Aq23. Quite a powerful triplex, and indicating possible success in his war efforts, especially pertaining to the emancipation of the slaves. The "Great Emancipator" also has Uranus stationary natally, as did the chart for the first meeting of the Continental Congress, which of course led to the liberation of the Colonies from the British Empire. (The Q2 MC/Asc angles of the 10:04 am EST July 4, 1776 DOI chart were less than a degree from the US natal Mars/Neptune square at the time of the shooting, and moved closer during the night until his death in the morning. The assassination was part of a larger conspiracy, and Secretary of State William Seward was also badly wounded that night in a stabbing.) Jim mentioned that transiting Sun was conjunct his SSR MC, (natal or DC?), which seems to mean that he was even more in the public spotlight after the assassination. Folks in the backwoods would have heard about it, even if they hadn't been following the war closely, as well as nearly everyone in power in the rest of the world. Incidentally, his close Neptune/MC conjunction for this birth time may have worked out to indicate his willingness to suspend habeas corpus, jail dissidents, shut down opposition newspapers, print fiat money"greenbacks", and impose many wartime economic restrictions in the cause of preserving the Union. Neptune is, of course, the planet of socialism generally, as Uranus is the planet of lassez faire. The fact that his efforts proved somewhat futile, with Jim Crow eventually leading to a new form of bondage, also fits the Neptune/MC profile. Steve mentions that his SQ1 angles on the fatal day were conjunct both return and natal Jupiters, which was expressed as over optimism--he dismissed his personal body guard that night--and his attendence that night at the theater watching a comedy, which quickly became a national tragedy. I see Jupiter as being associated with the Wheel of Fortune. You can see today, and over history, that yesterday's successes may become today's failures. Donald Trump, and many other former high flyers, are finding the turning of this wheel quite painful, but without Jupiter's optimism and willingness to take risks, the rewards are correspondingly diminished.
Regards,
Wayne

Notes on the shooting: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/US_histor ... message/24
and his death: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/US_histor ... message/40
Emancipation Proclamation signed: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/US_histor ... message/27
Other notes about Lincoln can be found on my History site with a search.

by SteveS on Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:06 pm

Wayne wrote:
Steve mentions that his SQ1 angles on the fatal day were conjunct both return and natal Jupiters, which was expressed as over optimism--he dismissed his personal body guard that night--and his attendence that night at the theater watching a comedy, which quickly became a national tragedy

Last night I watched a 2 hour ‘History Channel' TV program on the assassination of President Lincoln. Because of this topic, I wanted to pay close attention to details stated on the TV program as they may relate to astrological symbolism and the charts for this topic.

The TV program stated: Mary, Lincoln’s wife, said that her husband was in an ‘unusually optimistic mood’ on April 14th and wanted to invite a party to go to the theatre that evening. Mary suggested they not go but said her husband persisted in going to the theatre that evening. It was also stated many of Lincoln’s cabinet members were very concerned about Lincoln making open public appearances. Lincoln invited 14 people to go to the theatre that evening but only 2 or 3 (can’t remember for sure) accepted his invitation.

It was also reported that Lincoln experience many premonitions and nightmares dreams about dying while in office as President—reinforcing Lincoln’s angular Natal (MC) conjunction of Saturn-Neptune (Dreams). Also reported Lincoln loved going to the Theatre—had been to the Ford Theatre 12 times while in office— Neptune’s mundane, symbolic association with Theatres. Tragically he was shot in a Theatre.

Steve