Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

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Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Freya » Tue May 15, 2018 4:07 am

So here it is, my July 19th SLR. I have been wanting to have a baby for the past three years, since I met my new patner, but couldn't because he had a vasectomy. The waiting, the fear of a negative outcome, my mother te.ling me I will always be childless and seeing everyone around me with children (including my partner) has sent me in a very deep depression, to the point that I have needed counselling and can't be around young children or pregnant women anymore. I don't have children and have never been pregnant. I am coming out with this now, as i hope things will change at some point, hopefully in the new SSR. As we are getting married, my partner finally had a vasectomy reversal on 5 January which was successful.

So I am trying to find a SLR which could indicate pregnancy... the July 19th seems good, venus- ascendant-Uranus, provided pregnancy shown in SLRs.

Any thoughts?
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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by SteveS » Tue May 15, 2018 6:20 am

Hi Freya,
Jim has just composed a new thread about psychological ‘Principles’ with planetary combo’s (link below), which imo is a great thread for all of us members. It now makes easy improved reference for members who don’t have Ebertin’s book ‘Combinations of Stellar Influences’ looking for certain possible psychological tones with planetary pairs.

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2089&p=15282&sid=5 ... 7b3#p15282

Your July 19 SLR features a very potent t. Venus partile cnj Asc partile 90 n. Uranus partile cnj SLR Nadir, a rare angular Venus-- Uranus combo in a SLR. This SLR falls under the guidelines with high % for an ‘outstanding (Venus-Uranus) incident’. Jim writes about Venus-Uranus in the above link thread:
Venus-Uranus: Freedom in love, emotional renewal, birth.
Since Jim offers the word ‘birth’, imo, this increases the % this SLR may TIME the psychological feelings of a possible pregnancy. SLR Mercury (news) partile cnj Natal Eastpoint. Keep us informed. :)

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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Danica » Tue May 15, 2018 11:14 pm

The wider framework:

Your s.p. Moon is during the following month to enter the current dynamic of tr Pluto to nat Moon-Venus.
It ties up with Pluto from June 7 till July 11, 2018.
And mid-June, s.p. Venus enters orb conj. your nat AC

Solar Arc to natal currently (this is all inside orb 30'):
Ve ssq Ju
Ju sq Sa
Ve cnj EP
Mo oct Ju

Definitely a time of deep, life-altering, emotional transformation. I'd say chances are greater to get pregnant during June, than during the July 19 SLR (which may time becoming aware of it).

Pluto is the planet of conception, while Uranus symbolizes birth. Uranus brings to the light of consciousness what is already there, in existence (we just didn't see it before); Pluto is the initial impulse of coming-into-being.
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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by SteveS » Wed May 16, 2018 6:47 am

Danica wrote:
And mid-June, s.p. Venus enters orb conj. your nat AC.
Excellent point by Danica as well as her other observations. A once in a lifetime s.p. Venus cycle and while s.p. Venus partile cnj your n. Asc for a couple of years, should enjoy a heighten benefic Venus influence. But, also note s.p. natal Mars coming to your Natal IC. This offers a potent once in lifetime s.p. Venus& Mars on your Asc & IC simultaneous. Jim writes for ‘Principle’ for Venus-Mars:
Venus-Mars: Passion, powerful feeling; affection + aggression
Here is a bi-wheel with your s.p. Natal Planets (outer wheel) with Natal Chart (inner wheel) so your eyes/soul can clearly see this once in a lifetime planetary picture of s.p. Venus-Mars to your Natal Chart angles (Asc-IC).

https://imgur.com/a/cQSCZIn

I am sure you can relate to s.p. Natal Mars partile cnj your Natal IC with your negative Mars experiences with your Mother & Sister on the parental home front.

Also, another very important s.p. cycle is occurring in your life now. S.P. Natal Neptune is partile cnj your Solar Arc progressed Natal IC, see below chart. Your Solar Arc progressed Natal IC will also be partile cnj your Natal Neptune for a couple years (chart link below).

https://imgur.com/a/GDUgzif

Freya, I hope you can see/understand these very important long term progressed cycles of Mars-Neptune to your Natal & Progressed IC’s. This certainly explains to me why you have been experiencing malefic Mars-Neptune from your Mother & Sister. You might as well adapt and get use to this negativity from the parental home front—because they are probably not going away for the next couple of years. Focus on what you are wanting to see manifest with that s.p. Venus on your Natal Asc for a child to be birth and your mate.

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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Freya » Wed May 16, 2018 8:39 am

Thank you Danica and Steve for the powerful insight. Yes, I can clearly see what I am going through, and I am resigning to the fact that things are not going to change, as my mother fiercely opposes this marriage. I have started taking antidepressants for the first time in my life in order to cope with the negativity that is coming my way. It is relentless and venomous and it is ruining my mental health. I have never experienced anything of the sort coming from someone who dislikes me, let alone from a parent. It is actually very akin to the nastiness my ex-husband was up to during my divorce.

I am hoping to turn a new leaf and start a family of my own, as I feel ready for one now.

Am I right to assume that pregnancy could happen within two years whilst under the venus transit?

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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Danica » Wed May 16, 2018 8:55 am

Freya wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 8:39 am

Am I right to assume that pregnancy could happen within two years whilst under the venus transit?
Yes, I'd say so.
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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Freya » Thu May 17, 2018 4:52 am

Thank you Danica. When you got pregnant, was it visible from your SLR? Just trying to figure out the best predictive tecnique for pregnancy

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Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Thu May 17, 2018 8:24 am

Referring to Kid Gloves, page 20, Bradley said
Some of the most impressive astrological statistics are those which prove that transiting Venus is customarily in the foreground of the lunar returns of women for the event of childbirth. The philosopher may view procreation sarcastially, With the dew of eternatity on her forehead, motherhood perpetuates the savage brood," but the typical parturition lunar shows that the universe holds quite a different attitude toward the ordeal!
So find lunar returns with transiting Venus on the angles and count back 40 weeks. BTW, don't count back 9 months. Months, except for February, are not exactly 4 weeks. So count back 280 days or 40 weeks, and leave some wiggle room in there. Babies arrive on their schedule, not yours. Good training for parenthood.

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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 17, 2018 8:42 am

LOL, I was going to make the same point.

The full statistics are: Moon, Venus, and Jupiter (both natal and transiting) are extremely common for birth SLRs. Mars and Neptune (both natal and transiting) are quite rare (or, rather, are unusually common in the background). Saturn can go either way: They do call it "labor" after all. Mars and become more obvious if surgical intervention is needed. (The statistics are from the early 1950s when induced births and Caesarians were rare.)

For conception, the factors are similar with one key difference: Add Pluto, the planet par excellence of conception. This matches the original statistics, and I can give a personal example: The only time I know I conceived was within a day after my December 31, 1973 SLR, which you can calculate for Greencastle, Indiana. Pluto is a few degrees above Ascendant and on EP. It squares Sun exactly on IC and, yes, if we'd gone through with it, this would have been a "papa moment." (There are a few other interesting things in that SLR which will bring a smile here and there.) My girlfriend (later my wife) had her natal Venus-Jupiter conjunction widely foreground in both her SLR and Demi, her Moon exactly rising in the SLR (minutes from square my Sun), and transiting Venus-Jupiter just past MC in the Demi (but no Pluto, natal or transiting).

As for which techniques to check: The Lunar Return has hard statistics on the matter but, as in most things in astrology, every valid predictive technique can have its say. Astrologers have been successfully predicting pregnancies for generations - probably centuries - with transits and secondary progressions.
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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Danica » Thu May 17, 2018 1:48 pm

Freya wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 4:52 am
Thank you Danica. When you got pregnant, was it visible from your SLR?
Hana was conceived sometime between April 8th and 23th 2005

My current SLR for this period (3/23/2005) had:
t Mars on DC (and in exact sq to my rx Sun-Saturn opp)
t Mercury on MC and
t Jupiter on IC
- all three tight on angles

The DSLR that occurred on 4/5 had t Sun conj t Venus on DC, squared by t Saturn from MC (all three in partile aspect in mundo), and with t Jupiter near AC, opposing Sun-Venus and sq Saturn, mundanely (2* away from exact).

I agree with what has been said above; for timing such an event, look primarily at transits and progressions, and then you can add the info Lunars provide (they are much shorter, and quickly-passing cycles).

You do have both the transiting and progressions setting for pregnancy in the current period.

For the time of Hana's birth (01/17/2006), the aspects of tightest orb to my natal were:
t Ur sq r Ur 23' a
t Su oct r Ve 49' s
t Me oct r Mo 49' s
and t Ur just left the orb sq r AC, from the Nadir side, being 03' out of 1* orb at the exact time that she was born.
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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Danica » Thu May 17, 2018 6:39 pm

[continued]

transits and progressions for conception time

The birth was via cesarean, and according to doctors she was past due time; with notes from that period not at hand, I'll choose from memory 4/9/2005 as most probable date, time 01h AM (resided in Novi Sad, Serbia)

(this chart itself has Pluto rising, and an interesting structure of Sun, Moon, Venus, N.Node tightly conjoined in Pisces, all squared by Saturn, which exact on WP!)

transits to natal:
Ur sq Ur 16' s
Ur sq AC 23' a
Sa ssq Mo 27' s
Ma ssq Ne 30' a
Ma sq Ma 53' s
Mo oct Mo 16' s

sec. prog. aspects (planets to planets only)
Ur con Ju 00*00' !
Me ssq Ve 52' s

s.p. to natal
nothing that's not already in the natal or s.p. itself

Solar Arc to natal has:
Ve sex Su
Mo sq NNode
Ne ssq Mo
Ur con Ne
Ma sq Mo
Ju tri Su

This is very descriptive of my experience at the time, but I definitely wouldn't predict conception from these aspects :mrgreen:

Conclusion: the nature of conception is hidden & mysterious, rather look for birth indicators (as JSAD pointed) - and, of course, intensify the practical work on it 8-)
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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Freya » Thu May 24, 2018 9:13 am

Thank you for the insight on your transits Danica and Jim, I found that I do not have enough data for conception, but a lot more for childbirth which is not relevant if you are trying to conceive!

I will definitely keep you posted. I feel that something is shifting in my life, and that my life is on the verge of a big change, not only because of my wedding on September 29th this year

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Re: Outstanding incident SLR - Possible pregnancy?

Post by Jim Eshelman » Thu May 24, 2018 11:48 am

Freya wrote:
Thu May 24, 2018 9:13 am
Thank you for the insight on your transits Danica and Jim, I found that I do not have enough data for conception, but a lot more for childbirth which is not relevant if you are trying to conceive!
On the contrary: A successful prediction of childbirth IS a prediction of conception :)
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