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Malefics and Pleasant Relocations
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 pm
by sotonye
As I understand it, the main features of relocation that make or break our experience of a place are 1) the planets brought to angles, and 2) the mundane aspects that we lose or gain. But just last year I went to Seattle and had a wonderful time despite having influences there which suggest that my experience should have been otherwise. It was as if the world took care of me there, I got sort of lost on a hike and a group of mothers found me and held me and led me where I needed to be, and no matter how hard I tried to ignore others they would be so pleasant it was all absurd, really weird and sweet. In general my experience was profoundly pleasant. But how could all this have been the case when, in Washington, Mars becomes my most angular planet? And even further, there I gain a partile mundane square between Mars and Pluto and a 1 degree square between Mars and the moon, how can this be? The entire experience sounds like something that would follow from Venus being brought to an Angle and not the planet of War. Is my understanding of Mars is flawed? Can we have pleasant experiences where Malefics are angular and closely aspected?
Re: Malefics and Pleasant Relocations
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:43 pm
by Danica
sotonye wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:07 pm
As I understand it, the main features of relocation that make or break our experience of a place are 1) the planets brought to angles, and 2) the mundane aspects that we lose or gain. But just last year I went to Seattle and had a wonderful time despite having influences there which suggest that my experience should have been otherwise. It was as if the world took care of me there, I got sort of lost on a hike and a group of mothers found me and held me and led me where I needed to be, and no matter how hard I tried to ignore others they would be so pleasant it was all absurd, really weird and sweet. In general my experience was profoundly pleasant. But how could all this have been the case when, in Washington, Mars becomes my most angular planet? And even further, there I gain a partile mundane square between Mars and Pluto and a 1 degree square between Mars and the moon, how can this be? The entire experience sounds like something that would follow from Venus being brought to an Angle and not the planet of War. Is my understanding of Mars is flawed? Can we have pleasant experiences where Malefics are angular and closely aspected?
Your experience of this period & place has probably more to do with your prognostic cycles at the time, than the local angularity.
Re relocation as a tool in self-development: I'm an advocate of relocating to a place where a natal dynamic background configuration comes to angles; these strong needs, that are experienced inward as a push toward action/expression, but are not being freely and directly expressed in our interaction with the environment ( - in manner suitable for their nature), tend to develop into dis-ease (dis-aster!); it seems a common sense approach to work toward fully recognizing them and finding a way/channel to consciously express them; relocation, even if only temporarily, is a great tool for this.
In Seattle, your angularity mundo, by orb, is:
Pl 4' on DC
Ma 44' on IC
Mo 2*19' on AC
For birth place, you have the same three present on angles, but together with Ju and Me, and the proximity and sequence of orbs of these three are different.
Re: Malefics and Pleasant Relocations
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:49 pm
by Jim Eshelman
The simplest explanation is that you handle Mars really well. (I don't know if you do, but that's the simplest explanation.) - Actually, you have a tight Moon-Mars-Pluto T-square on the angles there, which must be something to behold!
What I'm most interested in is
when last year you did this. Your May 2017 Solar Return has Jupiter about 2° from MC in Seattle as the strongest (but not only) influence. The Jupiter is within a quite reasonable orb of opposition to your natal Venus, and your natal Jupiter is just above Ascendant (probably in close mundane square to your Venus - I haven't done the extra work of calculating that). Compared to these, the 5° Saturn on Asc is still going to leave an overall nice experience.
Re: Malefics and Pleasant Relocations
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:20 am
by sotonye
Danica wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:43 pm
Your experience of this period & place has probably more to do with your prognostic cycles at the time, than the local angularity.
I didn't even think of this, thank you. I went in March 2017 and had a fortunate SSR beginning in May the prior year. Jupiter and the Sun were making a trine within 1 degree, the Moon was sextile to Venus within 3 degrees, and Uranus was within 6 degrees of the descendant.
Re relocation as a tool in self-development: I'm an advocate of relocating to a place where a natal dynamic background configuration comes to angles; these strong needs, that are experienced inward as a push toward action/expression, but are not being freely and directly expressed in our interaction with the environment ( - in manner suitable for their nature), tend to develop into dis-ease (dis-aster!); it seems a common sense approach to work toward fully recognizing them and finding a way/channel to consciously express them; relocation, even if only temporarily, is a great tool for this.
At my birth location all of my dynamic aspects are angular as you've stated:
In Seattle, your angularity mundo, by orb, is:
Pl 4' on DC
Ma 44' on IC
Mo 2*19' on AC
For birth place, you have the same three present on angles, but together with Ju and Me, and the proximity and sequence of orbs of these three are different.
and so I would like to run away, but all the same I admire this view and I will try to appreciate all the energy pushing me forward as much as you do. This seems to me like the healthiest thing.
Re: Malefics and Pleasant Relocations
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2018 12:32 am
by sotonye
Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon Aug 27, 2018 9:49 pm
The simplest explanation is that you handle Mars really well. (I don't know if you do, but that's the simplest explanation.)
I've been thinking a lot about this lately and it seems to me that my angular and exalted Moon receiving partile aspects from two benefics might help curb Mars' enthusiasm, I think this is a significant countervailing factor without which I might have been born an implacable aff. This was all set off by your statements about the contextualization of aspect structures, and I assume Venus gives context to my opposition between the Moon and Jupiter, the desire nature in this case becoming harmonized, softened perhaps, and eclipsing what might be expressed by Mars.
- Actually, you have a tight Moon-Mars-Pluto T-square on the angles there, which must be something to behold!
I suppose this makes sense. I went there for a photography trip and poured an astounding amount of energy into the tasks at hand, it was almost as if I were possessed now that I think about it. I'm not sure if I have ever felt so motivated and let so little stand between myself and my goals. I took exceptional risks there as well.
What I'm most interested in is when last year you did this. Your May 2017 Solar Return has Jupiter about 2° from MC in Seattle as the strongest (but not only) influence. The Jupiter is within a quite reasonable orb of opposition to your natal Venus, and your natal Jupiter is just above Ascendant (probably in close mundane square to your Venus - I haven't done the extra work of calculating that). Compared to these, the 5° Saturn on Asc is still going to leave an overall nice experience.
I went there I believe on March 9th, so my return from the year prior was still in motion, and there was a decent amount of jupiter the as well.