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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:20 am

One commentator last night remarked that, even if it wasn't the anticipated Blue Wave, it certainly was a dramatic Rainbow Wave.

Though there are individual races and items I wish had gone differently (those will always be there), I'm quite content with the outcome.
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by SteveS » Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:09 am

Jim wrote:
...it certainly was a dramatic Rainbow Wave.
:) Exactly, with major future consequences, imo.

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Re: Other Locations

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:52 pm

As of the November 5 Liblunar, Florida has a Uranus line right down the middle (see below). Florida, the state that made vote recounts famous, has never had a state-wide (full state) recount and now they are starting three of them - complete machine recounts for governor, senator, and agricultural secretary.

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Re: Trump Watch

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:56 pm

Breaking news: Trump left Washington yesterday for Paris, so his new Lunar Return for today is not the chart used for the Trump Watch forecast above. I will post another soon.
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SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN (Nov 10)
Transiting Jupiter rises within 0°06' in his new Lunar Return that he will feel two or three days after the election results are in. Jupiter also squares his natal Ascendant 0°32'. He was won. The world gave him a prize. His esteem is heightened. He feels better than he has felt in months.

There is, however, something dirty and deceptive about this. I don't believe we can interpret so hair-splittingly close a Jupiter any way except as a win, but Jupiter is also doubly afflicted. First, nearly as angular as Jupiter is transiting Neptune, 0°31' from IC, the Jupiter-Neptune mundane square only 0°25' wide. Second, Mars squares Jupiter within a quite reasonable orb for a Lunar Return.

Jupiter-Neptune is the signature aspect. Its key is unreasoned optimism. Its giddy trend may reflect an excessively optimistic state of mind not warranted by the facts, though the aspect does not, itself, mean that the facts are wrong. Classically, Jupiter-Neptune is known to mark a swindle, either that one is swindling others or is caught in the swindle themselves. Mars square Jupiter suggests that this victory has cost him, probably more than he thinks it's worth, i.e., that he feels exploited, cheated, a sucker who had to forge an agreement or cut a deal that he regrets in hindsight. The sense of deception is strengthened by Mercury's close square to the angular Neptune.

Nonetheless, he looks in the moment like a happy winner. Pluto square his natal Jupiter (0°42') has a positive bent. Venus squares natal Venus (0°48'), suggesting he feels happy and has something to celebrate with others.
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Re: Trump Watch

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:02 pm

Donald Trump's November 10 Sidereal Lunar Return (calculated for Paris, France) has the following features. This is an entirely different chart that the one for Washington, DC, with dramatically different meaning!

r Mars on Dsc -7°41'
t Mars on Asc -7°56'
r Pluto on Dsc -6°56'
r Venus on Dsc +4°32'
r Saturn on Dsc +7°42'

r Mars/Saturn on Dsc 0°00'
r Saturn/Pluto on Dsc 0°07'
t Mars op. r Mars 0°15' in mundo
r Mars-Pluto conj. 0°45' in mundo
t Mars op. r Pluto 1°00' in mundo
r Venus-Saturn conj. 1°55'

t Jupiter sq. r Asc 0°32'
t Pluto sq. r Jupiter 0°42'
t Venus sq. r Venus 0°48' (sq. r Saturn 1°08')
t Saturn sq. r Neptune 1°05'

As already mentioned, this is an entirely different chart. As made vivid by the mundoscope, a partile (0°15') natal Mars-Pluto conjunction forms, which is exactly opposed by transiting Mars. Furthermore, natal Saturn is the same distance on one side of Descendant as natal Mars-Pluto is on the other side, so that natal Mars/Saturn and Saturn/Pluto midpoints are exactly angular - Mars/Saturn being exact to the minute of arc and Saturn/Pluto only 0°07; off. Finally, President Trump's close natal Venus-Saturn conjunction is foreground.

Almost every kind of severity, belligerence, and cold-heartedness one could articulate are potential in these aspects. Natal Mars-Pluto is a stockpile of explosive force, whether (for example) in rage, sexual ferocity, etc., and vulnerable to burnout. Sensitive to pressure or coercion; pot-stirrers, and defiantly resistant to outside control, this often marks a person who can’t seem to avoid breaking or upsetting something.

Transiting Mars opposite natal Mars and Pluto simply intensifies this and makes it more conflictual: It is combative, competitive, angry, conflictual, struggling, sexually brutish, neglectful of manners, and flailing to maintain control.

Natal Mars/Saturn angular struggle, hardship, and aggressive over-compensation in response to feeling loss or insufficiency. It brings out the self-sufficient, tough survivor, maneuvering for control, making everything harder than necessary, and hunkered down for enduring defensiveness. Natal Saturn/Pluto angular also speaks of loss, burden, and lone wolf isolation. Together, these give a harsh, dark, lonely, struggling way of relating to life.

Natal Venus-Saturn show loss in personal pleasure, often from focusing more on work, duty, and devotion. For people naturally less dutiful and less devotional than most, it's emotionally hardening and dwells on how little pleasure life is returning to them. Such people often are willing to pragmatically sacrifice (or even sell out) whatever they must for something more important to them.

Other, weaker details are, at best, supplemental and somewhat mutually cancelling. Transiting Pluto still squares natal Jupiter (0°42'). Saturn still squares natal Neptune (1°05').Both of these are threatening to him. Yet, Jupiter squares his natal Ascendant (0°32') and Venus squares his Venus (0°48'), which are some protective and perhaps mostly show a nice get-away to France.

On his return to Washington, he will overlay all of this with the new rising Jupiter version of his relocated SLR which will give him further advantage as long as the chart lasts.
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:05 am

The main repeated national U.S. headlines for the Liblunar week have been about these topics:

* The election and its aftermath, recounts, consequences, etc.
* The explosive California fires
* Thousand Oaks mass shooting
* Trump fired Jeff Sessions and expelled a top reporter from the White House

The Liblunar forecast was correct specifically that the midterm elections were ultimately all about the president - news analyses cited this over and over, and post-election polling and other data confirmed that President Trump, pro or con, was the primary reason people voted. The gaiety, excitement, buoyancy, and sense of play cited reflect much of the national tone in the aftermath of the elections.

The chart doesn't show much of the other events, though the angular Sun aspects Mars - that's in the right direction even if not the most typical aspect. I said it would be interesting to see if the local angularities reflect post-election attitude of different regions and it didn't: With a blue and rainbow wave in the elections, Saturn edging the West Coast does not show the primary West Coast reaction to the elections, for example. (Same with the other areas mentioned.) However, that Saturn does show the sudden, deadly devastation by Mother Nature in northern and southern California.
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Liblunar (Nov 5)1 Liblunar.jpg
The Liblunar covers November 5-13, which includes Election Day and the U.S. mid-term elections November 6. Though five planets are reasonably angular in Washington, there is only one that is close: Sun squares Ascendant (0°06'). The message is clear: This election, which isn't a presidential election, is all about the president! Whichever side one is on, the issue that will matter is whether one is for or against President Trump.

Sun has a single hard aspect, though it isn't evident from the chart shown here: It's a mundane square to Mars, only 0°20' wide. One might take the easy route of calling this an afflicted Sun, that, "It's all about the president, and the tone is hostile." I think the truth is not so simple. The aspect only likely shows the intensified and heightened late-hour aggressive competition. There is combat, and rhetoric is as fiery as a fuel-plant explosion and as blasting as a Category 5 storm. (Rather than saying Sun is afflicted, one might as well notice it is exactly at the Venus/Jupiter midpoint. There is no single way he is perceived by the nation as a whole. The answer is up in the air.)

There remains gaiety in this chart. Moon conjoins Venus (0°07' in mundo). Uranus is the second most angular planet and opposes Venus. It isn't exactly a sense of play, but it does show excitement and buoyancy that, writing this nearly two months in advance, I cannot explain at all.

Regionally, the West Coast (including San Francisco and Los Angeles) has a Saturn line and looks quite deflated; same with the longitude of Denver. The Indiana-Ohio region and a great swathe across the Plains is marked by Moon, Venus, and Uranus. It will be interesting to see if this reflects which regions come out of the elections happiest.

CapQ Descendant exactly conjoins transiting Mars November 6, concentrating the Mars forces especially on Election Day itself. That day and the next, CapQ IC crosses ingress Jupiter, so there will be a lot of noisy celebration and boisterous carrying-on. Transiting Mars stays in partile angularity all week; ingress Mars crosses IC 11/11, which should be an especially nasty, hurtful day.
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:15 am

Moon enters Capricorn tonight (just after midnight Eastern Time, mid-evening on the West Coast), so it's time to assess how we did this last month.

My view is that the charts were pretty good. The forecasts based on the charts were right in many cases, and other trends matching the charts (but not in the forecasts) also emerged. As usual, astrology comes out looking great and, I think, this time the astrologer didn't look too bad also.

Trump's change of venue for this SLR changed conclusions based on the Washington chart. It did not show the election aftermath. He got a very different (very different!) SLR in Paris.

The Capsolar and Libsolar forecasts pointed to the broad direction of the election - something we've been saying (and writing) since January. This Capsolar has been really good: Trends shown (and identified) in the Capsolar in January have continued to be primary trends, including this month's events where the press was itself a centerpiece of the story, shifting foreign relations, destruction from destabilizing climate, destabilizing stock markets, and more. We haven't yet seen the forecast revelations and disclosures during this last month.

The Arilunar's loud voice on violence and struggle was exactly on the mark.

So, overall, I think we did well and learned at least one new thing (that no, local lunar ingress lines do not tend to show levels of local happiness regarding something like an election).


But those are my thoughts. Yours?
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by SteveS » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:26 am

Jim wrote:
So, overall, I think we did well and learned at least one new thing (that no, local lunar ingress lines do not tend to show levels of local happiness regarding something like an election).
Agreed! Not lunar ingress, but maybe solar ingresses. I think DC Solar Ingresses may show prevailing emotional/psychological effects with important elections with the party in power as Prez.

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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:54 am

LOL, for this election that would place Neptune as the reaction for the whole West Coast (among other things).
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:00 pm

The stock market took some bad hits this month. Though the Caplunar was dormant for Washington, it had Saturn on MC (and, even closer, square Ascendant) for New York. In the end, it finished a little ahead (mostly a break-even), but only with several sharp drops along the way.
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Re: Trump Watch

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:09 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Sat Nov 10, 2018 2:02 pm
Donald Trump's November 10 Sidereal Lunar Return (calculated for Paris, France)...

Almost every kind of severity, belligerence, and cold-heartedness one could articulate are potential in these aspects. Natal Mars-Pluto is a stockpile of explosive force, whether (for example) in rage, sexual ferocity, etc., and vulnerable to burnout. Sensitive to pressure or coercion; pot-stirrers, and defiantly resistant to outside control, this often marks a person who can’t seem to avoid breaking or upsetting something.
Well that was on the nose. He insulted all the world leaders, our allies, fallen soldiers, living soldiers, California, first responders in California, who'd I leave out?

He doesn't understand absentee ballots in Florida are counted if they were postmarked by midnight on election day, and they do not have to be received before the close of polls. He also doesn't understand he's saying people serving in the military in Iraq or Texas who had to mail in their ballots should not have their votes counted.

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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:24 pm

Is Trump just upset over the midterms, or is he sick? He's not acting his normal belligerant self. And not going to Arlington, being concerned about being out in the rain, not going to the big conference in Asia, not meeting with King Abdullah who he likes a lot, does he have a cold or the flu?

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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:29 pm

I think this explains it and, humbly, I submit it matches my last two months of forecasts for him.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-p ... story.html
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:48 pm

Somebody on the TV just said they thought he was hiding out and cancelling everything because he's answering written questions from Mueller.

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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:01 pm

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Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:48 pm
Somebody on the TV just said they thought he was hiding out and cancelling everything because he's answering written questions from Mueller.
I've heard from someone down the hall that for the last two weeks he's been reviewing the answers his attorneys wrote for interrogatories from Mueller. I think it's probably true.
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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:19 pm

He looks sick. He looked sick in France.

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Re: US forecast Oct 16 - Nov 13, 2018

Post by Lance » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:07 am

Jupiter Sets at Dawn wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:19 pm
He looks sick. He looked sick in France.
Well, first of all, he's not his usual spray-tan orange color, which makes him look pale.

Secondly, I don't have any problem imagining all the stress of what's now coming making him feel physically ill.

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