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Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:23 am

Jim, I read from one of my Mundane Astrology books (can’t touch SMA) under section on Fixed Stars where it states:
In this connection it should be mentioned that the great French astrologer Volguine claimed that charts set for the moment that the Sun comes in conjunction with Sirius each year, and that the Moon comes conjunct Sirius each month, are of significance.
This should not take long to prove out with major US events in history. Do you know how with Solarfire to get the exact times for DC when these transits would occur with Sirius?

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:22 am

I'll see if there is an easier way to do this but, at the least, do this:

1. Establish a User Defined Points file that includes Sirius and turn it on.
2. Look for the date when Sun or Moon is at 19° Gemini. For a chart for any time that day, click Reports an Sirius' longitude will be given to the second, just like anyone else.

[NOTE: In modern times it will always be at or near 19°21' Gemini. It probably will change very very slowly across time and vary (in a small loop) by a few seconds through the year.]

3. Do an ingress for Sun or Moon reaching that degree.


For example: On October 24, 1929, the day of the stock market crash, Sirius was 19°21'13" Gemini. Moon was in late Gemini that day. A chart for Moon at 19°21'13" Gemini occurred October 23, 1929, 8:25:40 PM EST and, for Washington DC - SIT DOWN, STEVE, AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE YOU READ THIS - for Washington, DC, it has Saturn 0°06' from Descendant, Neptune 1°42' off IC, Saturn-Neptune mundane square 1°48'.

It's one example. Don't have a heart attack :) Let's at least have one more example. Let's check the solar conjunction for the same event. It's going to occur in modern times about July 5. For that day, Sirius was (see the slight difference due to parallax) 19°20''51" Gemini. Calculate a return for Sun at this longitude. It occurred July 5, 1929, 10:43:19 AM EST. ONCE AGAIN, TAKE A DEEP BREATH... NOT AS DEEP AS LAST TIME, BUT A DEEP BREATH. Moon opposed Saturn 0°12' and, for Washington, DC with each 3°+ off the angles (3°06' Moon, Saturn 3°38'), with Mercury voiding dormancy 0°39' from MC. Furthermore, for New York City, the Moon-Saturn opposition falls with Moon 0°20' and Saturn 0°42' from the angles.

So... still just one event... but two independent charts for one event. This is... kinda wow.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:29 am

Noting the date of the annual Sun-Sirius conjunction, I note that on July 4, 1776 when Sun was at 21°31'Gemini, Sirius was at 19°22'29" Gemini. For Philadelphia, one gets a dormant chart, though with a Mercury-Saturn-Pluto mundane T-square a few degrees off the angles. Eye-catching but not compelling. (And Venus and Jupiter were near angles for London, and the next 12 months were - in no sense known to me - the happiest they ever had.)
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:31 pm

Sun conjoined Sirius June 26, 2001 at 11:39:58 AM EST, two and a half months before 9/11.

For everywhere:
Moon-Pluto sq. 2°09'
Moon-Mars sq. 3°12' (a little wide)

For NYC:
Mars sq. Asc 0°03'
Pluto on IC 2°50'
-- Ma/Pl = IC 0°43'
Moon sq. MC 1°29'
Mercury sq. Asc 2°40' (on MC 5°12')
-- Mercury-Mars op. 2°40'
Jupiter & Saturn very widely on MC
-- Ju/Sa = MC 0°28'
-- Moon-Pluto sq. is closer: 1°50' in mundo

For Washington:
Pluto on IC 0°32'
-- Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°25' PVP
Moon sq. MC 1°21'
Mars sq. Asc -2°35'
Pluto sq. Asc +2°46'
-- Ma/Pl on Nadir 0°06'
--Mars-Pluto conj. 3°37' in mundo
Mercury & Saturn widely foreground
-- Mercury-Mars op. 2°40'


Transits 9/11 for NYC
t Sun conj. r Asc 0°05'
-- Sun sq. r Mars 0°09'
t Saturn sq. r Moon 0°44'

Transits 9/11 for Washington
t Pluto op. r MC 1°30'
t Saturn conj. r MC 0°37'
t Saturn sq. r Moon 0°44'

Progressions to 9/11:
The quotidians aren't impressive - quite the opposite, e.g., Asc sq. Venus for NYC & DC. However, regarding aspects, this chart progressed to a Moon-Mars square 0°08' for the attack.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:36 am

:shock: Mucho thanks Jim :!:

Jim wrote:
I'll see if there is an easier way to do this…
Yes, a very easy way.
1: Select Return & Ingress
2: Determine Year & Location
3: Select Advanced Return Selections
4: Click Button for Position Ingress
5: Type in 19,Gem,00

Question Jim. Can I use 19 Gem 21 to check all t. Sun Sirius Ingresses in USA History, for accurate enough degree positions for angles?

Folks, please click on first link which is the ingress for Sun transiting Sirius in 1929, the greatest financial Panic and subsequent Great Depression in modern history! Partile Moon 180 Saturn on MC/IC axis, par-excellent symbolism for a “Depression!” Also, a very tight Mar-Neptune cnj, par-excellent symbolism and a proven SMA combo for financial panics.

New York July 5th, 1929 t. Sun-Sirius Ingress Chart

https://imgur.com/a/dyO8TVk

DC Oct 23, 1929, a day before the Stock Market Crash, for t. Moon-Sirius Ingress Chart. As Jim pointed out, note Saturn-Neptune respectively on Dsc & IC.

https://imgur.com/a/exA0iJO

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:36 am

SteveS wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 7:36 am
Question Jim. Can I use 19 Gem 21 to check all t. Sun Sirius Ingresses in USA History, for accurate enough degree positions for angles?
No. Sun "returns" have to be to the second of arc, and this will be a little different every year.

I'll look for a way to get SF to just detect Sirius, whatever its longitude, and do the calculation. It's not yet obvious to me that there is such a way.

(I've written an inquiry on the Solar Fire support page on Facebook.)
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:31 am

Jim wrote:
I'll look for a way to get SF to just detect Sirius, whatever its longitude, and do the calculation. It's not yet obvious to me that there is such a way.
Great Jim, looking forward doing some more historical research with this, and trying to formulate a conclusion.

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:47 am

While we're waiting for a better answer, here are a couple of less impressive examples.

The 1860 Sun-Sirius conjunction covered the year of Lincoln's election, the start of succession, and the firing on Fort Sumter - all the possible definitions of the start of the Civil War - and it shows nothing.

The 1963 Sun-Sirius conjunction is moderately interesting but far more boring than the standard ingresses. For Washington it has Uranus on IC (paran Venus rising), while for Dallas the same Uranus squares Ascendant and Neptune squares MC. The chart is for July 6, 1963, 2:33:24 AM when Sun and Sirius were at 19°20'29' Gemini. Neither location has transits on November 22. Nether has quotidian crossings.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:06 pm

Steve, I got an answer - Wendy Guy on the Solar Fire Facebook page zeroed right in on something I'd missed seeing before.

First, make sure you have a User Defined Point file created that has Sirius in it. (It can have more than Sirius, but it's simpler for what follows if it only ha one.) Select this file to use (Chart Options | Displayed User-Defined Points).

Then click Dynamic | Transits & Progressions to bring up the Dynamic Reports Selection. Fill out the obvious sections (start date, how long, where, etc.) and pick Transits to Transits. Set the Aspect Selection in the lower right to Harm01 (1st harmonic aspects - it just gives conjunctions).

Now here's the trick: You're doing transit-to-transit searches. On the right edge of the box, under Point Selection, in the Transits box pick Sun (a Transit Points file that has only Sun in it). Then, all the way at the bottom, in the User box (I never noticed it was there), your Sirius user-defined should already be selected.

When you hit the View button, you get your list of events. As always with this report, you can select a chart and click View Chart to add it to the calculated chart list.

Here's a listing of all the dates and times from 1900 for 130 years:

Jul 5 1900 00:28:04 am EST
Jul 5 1901 06:45:00 am EST
Jul 5 1902 12:45:01 pm EST
Jul 5 1903 06:51:07 pm EST
Jul 5 1904 01:05:33 am EST
Jul 5 1905 07:13:26 am EST
Jul 5 1906 01:25:33 pm EST
Jul 5 1907 07:30:56 pm EST
Jul 5 1908 01:39:00 am EST
Jul 5 1909 07:55:12 am EST

Jul 5 1910 01:56:37 pm EST
Jul 5 1911 08:00:38 pm EST
Jul 5 1912 02:15:45 am EST
Jul 5 1913 08:22:49 am EST
Jul 5 1914 02:31:55 pm EST
Jul 5 1915 08:36:49 pm EST
Jul 5 1916 02:44:51 am EST
Jul 5 1917 09:01:55 am EST
Jul 5 1918 04:07:14 pm EWT
Jul 5 1919 10:14:00 pm EWT

Jul 5 1920 03:31:05 am EST
Jul 5 1921 09:39:50 am EST
Jul 5 1922 04:46:40 pm EDT
Jul 5 1923 09:50:46 pm EST
Jul 5 1924 03:57:12 am EST
Jul 5 1925 10:10:01 am EST
Jul 5 1926 04:12:34 pm EST
Jul 5 1927 10:16:29 pm EST
Jul 5 1928 04:31:27 am EST
Jul 5 1929 10:43:22 am EST

Jul 5 1930 04:52:03 pm EST
Jul 5 1931 11:01:24 pm EST
Jul 5 1932 05:12:26 am EST
Jul 5 1933 11:25:26 am EST
Jul 5 1934 05:29:53 pm EST
Jul 5 1935 11:32:51 pm EST
Jul 5 1936 05:45:41 am EST
Jul 5 1937 11:56:06 am EST
Jul 5 1938 05:59:44 pm EST
Jul 6 1939 00:05:38 am EST

Jul 5 1940 06:15:33 am EST
Jul 5 1941 12:27:02 pm EST
Jul 5 1942 07:35:26 pm EWT
Jul 6 1943 01:41:40 am EWT
Jul 5 1944 07:56:28 am EWT
Jul 5 1945 02:09:07 pm EWT
Jul 5 1946 07:13:06 pm EST
Jul 6 1947 02:19:11 am EDT
Jul 5 1948 08:30:59 am EDT
Jul 5 1949 02:40:09 pm EDT

Jul 5 1950 08:45:37 pm EDT
Jul 6 1951 02:50:16 am EDT
Jul 5 1952 09:02:14 am EDT
Jul 5 1953 03:16:35 pm EDT
Jul 5 1954 09:22:31 pm EDT
Jul 6 1955 03:29:12 am EDT
Jul 5 1956 09:43:12 am EDT
Jul 5 1957 03:51:32 pm EDT
Jul 5 1958 09:55:47 pm EDT
Jul 6 1959 04:01:56 am EDT

Jul 5 1960 10:11:15 am EDT
Jul 5 1961 04:24:49 pm EDT
Jul 5 1962 10:28:38 pm EDT
Jul 6 1963 04:33:21 am EDT
Jul 5 1964 10:49:42 am EDT
Jul 5 1965 04:59:30 pm EDT
Jul 5 1966 11:06:53 pm EDT
Jul 6 1967 05:17:06 am EDT
Jul 5 1968 11:26:46 am EDT
Jul 5 1969 05:40:26 pm EDT

Jul 5 1970 11:43:20 pm EDT
Jul 6 1971 05:45:12 am EDT
Jul 5 1972 12:00:20 pm EDT
Jul 5 1973 06:06:14 pm EDT
Jul 6 1974 00:10:05 am EDT
Jul 6 1975 06:19:36 am EDT
Jul 5 1976 12:29:12 pm EDT
Jul 5 1977 06:45:12 pm EDT
Jul 6 1978 00:53:41 am EDT
Jul 6 1979 06:58:10 am EDT

Jul 5 1980 01:16:51 pm EDT
Jul 5 1981 07:24:18 pm EDT
Jul 6 1982 01:25:58 am EDT
Jul 6 1983 07:36:20 am EDT
Jul 5 1984 01:43:07 pm EDT
Jul 5 1985 07:54:42 pm EDT
Jul 6 1986 02:00:41 am EDT
Jul 6 1987 08:00:24 am EDT
Jul 5 1988 02:18:17 pm EDT
Jul 5 1989 08:28:36 pm EDT

Jul 6 1990 02:31:12 am EDT
Jul 6 1991 08:46:28 am EDT
Jul 5 1992 02:54:50 pm EDT
Jul 5 1993 09:06:35 pm EDT
Jul 6 1994 03:14:32 am EDT
Jul 6 1995 09:14:14 am EDT
Jul 5 1996 03:31:53 pm EDT
Jul 5 1997 09:40:27 pm EDT
Jul 6 1998 03:38:50 am EDT
Jul 6 1999 09:52:44 am EDT

Jul 5 2000 04:01:30 pm EDT
Jul 5 2001 10:13:51 pm EDT
Jul 6 2002 04:25:08 am EDT
Jul 6 2003 10:25:53 am EDT
Jul 5 2004 04:43:45 pm EDT
Jul 5 2005 10:52:49 pm EDT
Jul 6 2006 04:49:58 am EDT
Jul 6 2007 11:03:39 am EDT
Jul 5 2008 05:12:11 pm EDT
Jul 5 2009 11:20:29 pm EDT

Jul 6 2010 05:31:40 am EDT
Jul 6 2011 11:32:09 am EDT
Jul 5 2012 05:50:39 pm EDT
Jul 6 2013 00:04:39 am EDT
Jul 6 2014 06:03:00 am EDT
Jul 6 2015 12:18:55 pm EDT
Jul 5 2016 06:28:57 pm EDT
Jul 6 2017 00:34:01 am EDT
Jul 6 2018 06:44:35 am EDT
Jul 6 2019 12:43:12 pm EDT

Jul 5 2020 06:57:06 pm EDT
Jul 6 2021 01:09:58 am EDT
Jul 6 2022 07:04:17 am EDT
Jul 6 2023 01:19:31 pm EDT
Jul 5 2024 07:32:30 pm EDT
Jul 6 2025 01:39:58 am EDT
Jul 6 2026 07:55:12 am EDT
Jul 6 2027 01:58:23 pm EDT
Jul 5 2028 08:13:08 pm EDT
Jul 6 2029 02:27:00 am EDT
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:35 pm

Very 8-) Jim, I think I can do this task, and appreciate you looking into this task for me. :)

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:27 pm

Jim, looking at some World Events for Sun transiting Sirius. Did I calculate this correctly?

Mundo London 1939 for Sun transiting Sirius 19,21 Gemini, War World 11

https://imgur.com/a/9HmCdi9

Eclipto: Saturn partile 90 Pluto for outstanding Saturn-Pluto event.

https://imgur.com/a/oJM4YQx

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:48 pm

Jim Eshelman wrote:
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Jul 6 1939 00:05:38 am EST
Steve, going by the list above (130 years worth), I'd expect London to be 5:05:38 AM GMT July 6 (or 6:05:38 BST). You're about 7 minutes later. I'll try to check to see where this could have gone wrong, but you're at least close. - I just double checked, nd for 6:05:38 both Sun and Sirius are at 19°20'45" Gemini.

I'm betting you calculated it for the round 19°21' without calculating the actual seconds. For Sun (as in Solar Returns) you have to calculate to the second of arc, and this changes slightly from year to year and throughout the year. The actual position, 19°20'45", is 15" earlier, which would be about a degree and a half on the angles.

The final chart still isn't bad!
Pluto 0°41' below Asc
Mars 1°40' above Dsc
Mars-Pluto opposition 0°59' in mundo
Rising Pluto squared by non-angular Saturn 0°33'

Essentially the same as what you saw.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:29 pm

Thanks Jim, yes I calculated 19,21 without seconds. Still trying to figure out your SF task for getting exaction position down to the second.

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:36 pm

Have you created a User Defined Points file with Sirius in it? That would be step 1. Let's make sure you have that done.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:31 pm

Can't figure out how to do this task Jim, with your instructions, solarfire, or manual. :(


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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:15 pm

In Solar Fire, click Chart Options then Displayed User-Defined Points. Here are all the existing files; the one selected is likely None.plu.

Click Create. Call it Sirius. Click Edit. On far right, click Fixed Star. From the list that appears, find Sirius then the Add button (which shoves this over to the left). Click Save.

When you want to use this, come back to this Displayed User-Defined Points file and select the Sirius file. When you are done, go back in and select None.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:53 am

Jim wrote:
Click Create. Call it Sirius. Click Edit. On far right, click Fixed Star. From the list that appears, find Sirius then the Add button (which shoves this over to the left). Click Save.
Yes, I did this yesterday and at least created a file named Sirius. But, there seems to be a step missing which I can’t figure out yet. When I click ‘Edit’ nothing appears ‘on far right’ giving me the option to ‘click Fixed Star.’ I think I don’t have the exact settings you already have with your SF program. I will read some more in the manual and maybe I can figure it out. I will definitely figure this our because I have a-lot from that old Mundane Astrology book about fixed stars we need to explore! It is becoming very obvious to me other mundane astrologers were missing your great work on SMA. But, it is also obvious to me their work with fixed stars when combined with your work may yield us some interesting things to quickly check with SF. I will figure this task out! :)

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:34 am

SteveS wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:53 am
When I click ‘Edit’ nothing appears ‘on far right’ giving me the option to ‘click Fixed Star.’
When you click Edit, you basically have three columns, right? One is headed Selected Points, the next Available Points, and the next Point Type.

In the Point Type column, select Fixed Stars. All stars from your default fixed star file should appear. If you pick Fixed Stars and nothing is there, then you have to pick a fixed star file: Back out of this edit box and go back to Chart Options | Files | Fixed Star File and pick the default fixed star file you want. (I have a custom one, but you can probably pick anything there. They likely all have Sirius in them.) Then, with this default picked, to back and do the User Defined Points edit.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:31 am

Jim wrote and asked:
When you click Edit, you basically have three columns, right? One is headed Selected Points, the next Available Points, and the next Point Type.
No, when I choose the Sirius file I 'Created' I only have two columns, one 'Selected Points,' and another 'Unselected Points.' Logic tells me I at least need the fixed star Sirius in the 'Unselected Points' column in order to move to 'Selected Points' column. I am sure there is a simple way to do this with my Version, and I will figure it out. If you see the correct missing step I need---please lay it on me. :) I have done this procedure before but I am running into a temporary mental block. :?

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:38 am

What version of SF are you on? Did you go up to 9? (I'm still on 8.) Them most puzzling thing is that the column names aren't even the same, which sounds like a different version.

I created a new User Defined Points file called Steve, opened it with the Edit button, and here is what I see.
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jupiter Sets at Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:03 am

Under Point Files, select the Fixed Stars option, and press the Select File Button. Choose Brady to start. Then you can follow the rest of Jim's instructions.

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:13 am

Jim, I have 7.0.8 which is probably our communication problem for precise steps for this task. I will figure it out one way or another. :)

Jim, before I forget I wanted you to know how the mundane astrologers finished their Mundane Astrology book section on fixed starts. The last sentence about methods with fixed stars reads:
A possible approach would be to study charts set for the moment of conjunctions to the key fixed starts, like the siderealist do with sidereal ingresses.

This book was published in 1984 before the advent of the personal computer/astro programs, and a most important factor before your SMA book! There are several different European astrologers offering some of their key examples with fixed stars pertaining to mundane astrology. I will offer some of these examples for us to look at with the guidelines in your SMA book. I feel this is important for us to consider, but understand it does not top your SMA work. It is serving me with tremendous learning insight. Look at my current Moon-Mercury SLR, and having to put up with that SLR Neptune 90 SLR Asc with correct functioning of SF. :?

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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by Jim Eshelman » Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:17 am

That's a very interesting quote. (I think the funniest part is that they didn't compare it to what Tropical astrologers do with ingresses.)
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Re: Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

Post by SteveS » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:29 am

Jim wrote:
(I think the funniest part is that they didn't compare it to what Tropical astrologers do with ingresses.)
Indeed. They were very aware of Sidereal Ingresses but the only one they recognized was London's 1939 Cansolar for WW11, but they knew enough to intuit a possible key to probably seeing a clear manifestation of Sun transiting certain fixed stars, probably rested with viewing these transits similar to Sidereal Ingresses. But, we must remember they were marketing their book to Tropicalists. Later we will explore some of their examples when planets transited certain fixed stars and what happened mundanely. We will later explore these using SMA principles. Do we start running into problems determining an exact transit of a slow moving planet to a fixed star, for reliable timed charts to explore SMA principles?

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