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Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:37 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:44 pm
Anyone who has studied Sidereal Astrology understands its main cornerstone is the angles of the chart. I have been experimenting with the mundane angles at the end of important college football games with the natal planets of Quarterbacks and Head Coach’s. I have been betting real money with small wagers with the local book. My winning betting Record is 8-3. I am also involved in a money pool with over 140 members and my betting record in this money pool is 5-2. I am in 32nd position. First prize pays over 7G with 4 other paying places. I put up 100 bucks to enter this pool. I have these betting records documented if needed for later serious study. What I don’t really know; is the methods of sidereal astrology I am using are actually responsible for my winning records or is it blind luck?? Well there is a game this Sat. Oct. 1st 2011 that offers some rare ‘Active’ Natal Parans with the end of the game angles wired in with some transiting Parans involved with one of the Head Coach’s Natal Paran Configuration. This is very rare to see and is the first game I have analyzed out of 55 games that features such a striking Natal Paran Configuration. I have so much astrological confidence with Paran symbolism, I have decided to bet all my money winnings this season and all of my pool points on this game. The Game is Auburn vs. South Carolina with South Carolina favored by 10.5 points. The Active Natal Paran involves Steve Spurrier, the head Coach of South Carolina. Because of this rare Active Natal Paran of Spurrier which sets up with malefic symbolism, I am ALL-IN on Auburn + 10.5 points. If I loose my bet and all my pool points I am going to completely abandon this experiment. In fact I have so much astrological confidence with this Active Natal Paran with the end of game chart; I am predicting Auburn will win this game straight-up! If South Carolina wins this game but Auburn covers the spread giving me wins with the money bets and pool bets, I still might abandon this experiment. IMO, the astrological symbolism with Spurrier Chart with the end time of game chart indicates that South Carolina should be upset with a loss. Please, no one bet on this game and understand it is an experiment. I am using the end of the game time based on the TV schedules, but understand some games go over the projected end of game time due to amount of scoring, amount of reviews, and amount on time outs for injuries. But the important factor is to realize that most important games are won or lost near the end of the 4th quarter, so even if the game goes over the TV’S projected end time, the end of game time is definitely near the end of game chart. I am trying to judge the psychology of the QB/Coach near the end of the game with Natal contacts to the end of game angles backed-up with partile transits. If I see no Natal angular contacts, I stop my analysis. If I see Natal angular contacts, I then want to see partile harmonic 8 aspects to the Natal angular contacts, or least very tight aspects. Understand I do not have a timed birth time for the QB/Coach charts, only their natal positions excluding the actual position of their Moons, so disregard their Moons and natal angles with these posted charts. Living in this information age, we can now get all the birthdays of QB/Coach’s from the internet which has prompted me to conduct this experiment. The end of game chart and Spurrier’s untimed birthday chart is posted in the next post.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:38 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:44 pm
South Carolina, so far, this season has a record of 4 Wins and 0 Loses. We note, so far, this season transiting (t.) Pluto has been partile square Spurrier’s Natal Neptune and very tightly 180 his Natal Saturn. But, with this up-coming Football Game Saturday, Oct. 1st 2011, at 7:00 PM EDT-the end of the game time, and at the latitude of Columbia, South Carolina, a very unique TIME FRAME occurs in Spurrier’s life. His tight Natal Saturn-Neptune Square rotates with the heavens to an Active Paran with the end of game time at 7:00 PM EDT in Columbia South Carolina, also in Paran configuration with transiting Pluto and transiting Sun. Active Parans are known by siderealists as the most potent aspect that can occur in astrology. Depending on one’s latitude, Active Natal Parans can happen every day and Spurrier’s Natal Saturn-Neptune Paran (IC/DC) is happening every day in Columbia South Carolina, but not at the same TIME every day. Of all South Carolina’s regular season’s games, there is only one Saturday in the entire Season with only one regular season schedule end of game time that activates Spurrier’s Natal Saturn-Neptune Paran, and that is this Saturday. Another very unique factor is involved with this game and that has to do with transiting Sun, the great chronologic time factor in our heavens. Transiting Sun is in transiting Paran Configuration with transiting Pluto and Spurrier’s Natal Saturn and Neptune on this day and end of game time. In fact, there will be only one day and time in the entire regular football season when t. Sun chronocates this t. Paran combination with the above factors and that is on Oct. 1st 2011 at end of game time. The following are the Sidereal Times for the above Paran Factors, with Spurrier’s birth location relocated to Columbia, South Carolina (note: charts included in this post has Spurrier Birth location in Miami):
Natal Saturn Anti-Culminates 18:24:43
Natal Neptune Sets 18:17:26
t. Sun Sets 18:21:55
t. Pluto Culminates 18:20:54
Culminating degree, Setting degree, Anti-Culminating degree 18:17:10
Different siderealists allow 4-8 minutes of clock time for Paran Configurations. But as we can see all the above planetary factors are bodily occupying the angles constituting a Paran.
Also note the other partile transits involved with Spurrier on this game day.
t. Saturn 180 n. Mercury
t. Moon 180 n. Uranus
t. Mars Conjunct n. Pluto
I will not quote the combinations of stellar influence above. Most siderealists would interpret the above symbolism for Spurrier on this game day as nasty. The partile and tight Pluto transit to Spurrier’s Natal Neptune and Saturn have been dormant with an undefeated season. But this Sat on game day, we have a mess of Parans being activated. Will this be the defining siderealist method to produce an upset with Spurrier loosing his first game of the season? Maybe, time will soon surly tell. As I said—this is an astrological experiment out of boredom from being retired. If Auburn does not win this game completely ignore this analysis. If Auburn win this game in an upset, then further experimentation will be pursued with other games with their end of game angles.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:38 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:33 am
There are two Generals in a football game, the head Coach and the Quarterback. In the previous post I offered Steve Spurrier’s Natal Chart with the End of Game Chart. Spurrier’s Chart is loaded with malefic Parans and other partile transiting aspects. What about the other General for this game, the Quarterback. Note that the QB and his Natal Saturn partiles conjuncts the end of the Game’s MC and receives a near partile transiting square from transiting Uranus. Ebertin says about Saturn-Uranus symbolism:
Irritability and inhibition, tension.
Also note transiting Pluto is tightly conjunct the QB Natal Saturn partile conjunct the end of game MC. Saturn Pluto symbolism has to do with ‘heavy burdens.’ So, we have both Generals for South Carolina loaded with malefic symbolisms tied in to the end of the game angles.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:39 pm
by David Stanton
by skytoucher on Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:52 pm
They didn't even need the spread, nice!
South Carolina Vs. Auburn Final Score: Tigers Pull The Upset In Controversial Fashion, 16-13
In a defensive struggle with mistakes throughout, the Auburn Tigers were somehow able to escape with a 16-13 upset win over the South Carolina Gamecocks. But it didn't come without controversy.
Stephen Garcia found Bruce Ellington for 12 yards and the first down as the seconds ticked away, and it appeared the South Carolina wide receiver was down with one second to go. However, the Gamecocks never got a chance to attempt a long game-tying field goal and the clock struck zero on the play. Despite head coach Steve Spurrier's protests, the play was not reviewed, giving Auburn the three-point win.
I bet Steve Spurrier was upset at the end of the game with how it ended.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:39 pm
by David Stanton
by rudy on Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:24 pm
Steve—
What do your own returns, progressions, etc. say about your correct call and possible monetary gains? You must have had some prior indication of a satisfactory outcome!
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:39 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:36 pm
Skytoucher wrote:
I bet Steve Spurrier was upset at the end of the game with how it ended.
You know he was. This was one of the ugliest football games I have ever watched, but it sure was intriguing to watch the malefic Paran symbolism unfold with Spurrier’s chart and end of game chart.
Rudy asked:
What do your own returns, progressions, etc. say about your correct call and possible monetary gains? You must have had some prior indication of a satisfactory outcome!
I am under a Jupiter Solar Return and my Lunar Return is OK. The only partile aspect I had was t. Mercury conjunct my Natal Neptune which is tight semi-square my Natal Jupiter. It was an astrological speculative venture that turned out in my favour, but what allowed me to make the bet with a certain degree of confidence were the Sidereal Astrology methods (Active Natal Paran backed upped with partile transiting Paran aspects) I explained with the earlier posts.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:40 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:46 am
On game day Nov 5th 2011 for Alabama-LSU, there is a partile opposition of Mars-Neptune in the heavens. Mars Neptune is par-excellent symbolism for disappointment. This partile transiting Mars-Neptune Midpoint = Les Miles (LSU Coach) Natal Mercury. Ebertin says with Mars/Neptune=Mercury:
Plans without a chance of realization.
Nick Saban (Bama Coach) is free of any stress transiting partile aspects.
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics, we astrologers have done nothing to even remotely compare with the achievements of the astrologers of antiquity. Cyril Fagan
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods
Postby SteveS on Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:19 am
Last week in the Auburn South Carolina game we had a one time Paran for the entire football season with an end of game chart, which set-up malefic transiting Parans to Steve Spurrier’s Active Natal Saturn-Neptune Paran. South Carolina lost its game to Auburn after being a 10 pt. favorite. Well, this week on game day for the end of game chart, we again have a once in the entire football season transiting Paran set-up for the QB of Tenn., Tyler Bray, a malefic transiting Paran. Transiting Neptune culminates with a sidereal time of 22:03:03 and Tyler Bray’s Natal Mars Sets with a sidereal time of 22:04:17. Mars-Neptune symbolism is par-excellent symbolism for disappointment. Donald Bradley, a great astrological researcher says about Mars-Neptune symbolism when found angular in charts:
This is another of those “killing” combinations, due to its potency for evil-working in the life. The native invariably finds himself distraught when a Mars-Neptune configuration is angular.
This Paran is a very potent configuration, strongly indicating Bray will suffer a loss in this game. This is the only game of the season he will play in an end of game situation with a t. Neptune Paran to his Natal Mars.
Other notable partile aspects: Brays Natal Mars is bodily on the Descendant at the end of game time and is partile sextile to transiting Saturn. Mars-Saturn symbolism is malefic in action. Transiting Sun is partile square Bray’s Natal Neptune, a Malefic aspect. This partile transiting Sun aspect only occurs once on a football Saturday for the entire football season. Transiting Pluto is partile conjunct Bray’s Natal Sun.
My season betting record to date is 9-3 and my Pool record is 6-2. Georgia is a 1 point favorite to win the game verses Tenn. I am betting half my season winnings on Georgia and half my pool points in the big money pool. Remember this is an ongoing experiment on my part, looking to gain experience and a feel for certain sidereal astrological techniques using the end of game angles with charts of Coach’s and QB.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:40 pm
by David Stanton
by skytoucher on Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:11 pm
This Paran is a very potent configuration, strongly indicating Bray will suffer a loss in this game.
Bray left the game in the 4th quarter with an injury to his passing hand. It's possibly broken. Good call on the Georgia win.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:40 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:50 am
Tyler Bray out for 6 wks. Donald Bradley,s symbolism of Mars-Neptune Paran nailed it!
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:41 pm
by David Stanton
I am making a minimal bet on Auburn + 2 vs. Florida. Transiting Moon is partile conjunct Will Muschamp’s (Florida Coach) Natal Saturn the entire game, and the end of game chart features Muschamp’s Natal Saturn partile 90 the MC with t. Moon partile 90 the MC. Also t. Saturn is partile 135 Muschamp’s Natal Saturn with t. Saturn tightly conjunct t. Sun. With the Moon illumining Muschamp’s Natal Saturn with a partile conjunct aspect on an auxiliary angle (East Point Eq) for the end of game chart, I interpret this as a depressing influence with Muschamp loosing his 3rd consecutive SEC game.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:41 pm
by David Stanton
by skytoucher on Mon Oct 17, 2011 3:14 pm
Another prediction fulfilled with Auburn winning.
Saw this on al.com:
Muschamp goes BOOM...
Will Muschamp had a point. An attempt to fair catch a first-half punt was impeded by a too-close-for-comfort Auburn defender, causing a muff that led to the game's initial points. What followed was a five-minute meltdown by the Gators' coach, with Muschamp dropping some very colorful language. The coach lost his cool and composure, and was very lucky he didn't lose his spot on the sideline for the rest of the night, thanks to some patient refs
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:42 pm
by David Stanton
by skytoucher on Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:28 pm
SteveS wrote:
What I don’t really know; is the methods of sidereal astrology I am using are actually responsible for my winning records or is it blind luck??
It appears to be more than blind luck. When betting money on the game I'd worry about a malefic chart impacting the player/coach only and not the team IE a QB could break his hand and the team still win -although not as likely. Do you think natal charts of the team's hometown/college could be used in a similar manner to gauge overall mood at the end of game time?d of game time?
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:42 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:15 am
Skytoucher asked:
Do you think natal charts of the team's hometown/college could be used in a similar manner to gauge overall mood at the end of game time?
Maybe, but without experience I can’t offer an opinion. The main astrological criteria I am using are the Real Time Angles at or near the end of the game with the natal planets of the QB and Coach with transiting planets. I am also using Jim’s Auxiliary Angles which he explains in his book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns.’ I have found these Auxiliary Angles to be very important but overlooked by many astrologers.
I consider a football game to be a very unique and ‘out of ordinary’ event in the context of the entire life of a QB or Coach, they live their lives for this special moment of the end of GAME. There is only one clear objective for the QB or Coach—WIN the game. This allows the astrologer to distinguish the malefic of benefit influences of the planets (natal and/or transiting) for a win or loss.
Back in the early 80’s I read an article by Robert Hand titled ‘A New Approach to Transits’ from his book ‘Essays on Astrology.’ This article dealt with transiting Parans to a Natal Planet. Hand’s article was inspired by the work of the Father of Sidereal astrology, Cyril Fagan. What greatly appealed to me was a transiting Paran to a Natal Planet did not require a timed birth chart. When I read this article, I thought to myself, it would be cool if I had the birthdays of major sports figures in order to test Hand’s observations with transiting Parans. In the early 80’s we did not have access to prominent sports figures birthdays, nor did we have full access to computers and astrological programs. Today with Wikipedia, we have most of the QB & Coach’s birthdays and we have full access to computers and astrological programs. This is a treasure drove of information for the astrologer who wants to test Hand’s transiting Paran theories with betting football or other sporting contests. A transiting Paran involves a transiting planet that is bodily (mundanely) on an angle connected to a Natal Planet that is bodily on the angle at a moment in TIME, like the end of the game. A Paran happens when two or more planets, transiting or natal, are simultaneously on the same, adjacent or opposite angles of a scope. What I love about this type of analysis is the fact that Parans are very latitude sensitive and football teams are always travelling to different latitudes. Also, the geometry of the circle in the heavens are changing constantly from week to week which means the angles are changing from week to week at the same locations. What this actually means is when a transiting Paran is isolated for the end of the game, it is most likely this transiting Paran will be very unique and only occur for that one latitude and that one moment at the end of the game FOR THE ENTIRE FOOTBALL SEASON. In other words, transiting Parans are RARE to find with these football games, and it is my contention when these transiting Parans are isolated, they offer very reliable reads for betting with a high degree of confidence. So far my experiment with these Sidereal Astrology Methods are yielding very promising results.
Another great Sidereal Astrology tool for this experiment comes from Jim’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns,’ where Jim writes:
"It is when angularity and aspect partility coincide that outstanding incidents are most likely to come about."
I have found great reliability in Jim’s above words with Solar Returns and it is my opinion the same can be applied to the end of game angles. In other words, when we find a QB or Coach natal planets falling within 5 degrees of the end of game angles with a partile or very tight transiting planet, the symbolism of this transit should manifest psychology with the QB or Coach for determining a win or loss of the game. This would be the next potent aspect to look for with the Paran being the most potent. I am encouraged and will continue to explore these end of game angles with natal planets and/or transiting planets to the natal planets. It should clearly be understood that none of the above analysis could be done with such results without the most excellent Methods of Sidereal Astrology.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:43 pm
by David Stanton
y SteveS on Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:07 pm
The following is a beautiful example of a potential Natal Paran that becomes an Active Natal Paran with Coach and his team traveling to another latitude for game day and with an end Time near the end of the scheduled TV Time. The team is the Southern Cal Trojans and their Coach Lane Kiffin traveling to South Bend, Indiana to play Notre Dame, an important rivalry game. Kiffin was born with a Potential Natal Paran with Natal Saturn Rising with a sidereal time of 23:27:28 and Natal Mars Culminating with a sidereal time of 23:30:12. We don’t have a timed birth so these sidereal times could vary a couple of minutes, I think, but not having a timed birth will not change the Potential Paran of Natal Saturn Rising and Natal Mars Culminating. The end of game rising degree rises with a sidereal time of 23:29:47 and the Culminating degree with the same sidereal time. This Paran configuration is under four minutes of clock time, placing Kiffin’s Natal Mars and Saturn bodily on the Asc/MC, constituting an adjacent Asc/MC Paran.
I have ran the end of time for all the games on USC schedule for the entire year and there is only one day for the entire season, one end of game time, where Lane Kiffin’s Natal Mars-Saturn Potential Paran becomes an Active Natal Paran, and that is at South Bend’s latitude. This is once in a season Active Natal Paran. If Lane Kiffin was a practicing Sidereal Astrologer, and was looking at his team’s scheduling processes ahead of the future, he most likely, given a choice, would try to change the day of this game. Mars and Saturn are two malefics in our solar system and when they are aspected together involving the angles it’s definitely not a good sign for a football Coach to win a game. Parans do not have to be aspected with conventional aspects; they only have to be bodily on the angles and Parans are recognized by siderealists as the most potent configuration astrology has to offer. There is very high probability USC will loose this game but Notre Dame is a 8.5 favorite to win this game; so, the only way a better can bet this game is with a ‘money line’ bet that removes the spread of 8.5 points, but the better has to give-up betting odds to make a money line bet. If there is a money line for this game, I will risk 25% of my season winnings. I will post the money line odds later if available.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:43 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:02 pm
I am betting 25% of my money winnings for the season and half my pool points on Missouri + 7. Missouri is playing on their home field in Columbia, Missouri against Okl. St. who is the 4th rated team in the nation. My astro analysis indicates there is high probability Okl. St. will lose this game in an upset to Missouri. The main astro symbolism I see in this game is Mike Gundy, Okl. St. Coach, will psychologically experience an influence of transiting Mars placed on the auxiliary angle of the West Point squaring his Natal Neptune on the MC, with these angular hits involving the end of game chart. Mars-Neptune symbolism is par excellent symbolism for experiencing disappointment when placed angular on maps. You may remember, a couple of weeks ago I picked Georgia to win its game against Tenn because Tyler Bray was experiencing a transiting Neptune Paran to his Natal Mars with the end of game chart. I will again quote Donald Bradley’s words from his book ‘Solar & Lunar Returns.’
The native invariably finds himself distraught when a Mars-Neptune configuration is angular.
Also, I want to quote Jim’s words from his book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ about the auxiliary angles of the East Point (Eq) and West Point.
"The points 90 degrees from the meridian in right ascension are called the East Point and West Point. Extremely significant positions, they mark the intersection of three important great circles: the horizon, the celestial equator and the prime vertical. These points act like an angle, intensifying the significance of a planet conjoining these points."
If you will note the East Point (Eq) on the end of game chart at 23,24 Cap, then the West Point 180 from the Eq, you will see Mars at 24,50 Cancer, tightly conjunct the West Point. Note this ‘intensified’ transiting Mars is partile squaring Gundy’s Natal Midpoint of Mars/Neptune at 23,57 Libra. This only happens once the entire season. Also note at app. 2:15 PM, near the end of the game, Gundy’s midpoint of Natal Mars/Neptune will transit the MC of the end of game chart. This also only happens once during the entire season involving an end of game chart. And Gundy’s Natal Neptune is tightly conjunct the end of game MC. Even though Parans are normally considered using the meridian-horizon angles, I see no reason why a Paran should not be considered with the Auxiliary Angle of the East Point/West Point with the MC, but I don’t know how to actually verify if we actually have a transiting Mars on the West Point in Paran with Gundy’s Natal Neptune on the MC of the end of game chart. No matter, we already have a tremendous amount of Mars-Neptune symbolism psychologically influencing Gundy near the end of the game.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:44 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:12 pm
What about Gundy’s QB, Brandon Weeden, born on Oct. 14th 1983. We see that transiting Saturn is partile conjunct his Natal Sun and transiting Sun partile conjunct his Natal Pluto. Quoting some of Cyril Fagan words from Solunar Handbook he says:
The prime timepiece or chronocrator is of course, the Sun, and many events can be accurately dated by noting the dates on which transiting Sun aspects are partile.
Fagan says about transiting Sun to Natal Pluto:
The transit of the Sun over natal or solar return Pluto can be most unpleasant, giving one a nasty jolt or shock, from which one does not easily recover and which one does not wish to recall.
It will be interesting to see if this symbolism is actually foretelling that the QB suffers his first loss of the season. Time will soon tell. End of game chart (inside wheel) and Gundy’s Untimed Natal Chart below.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:45 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:09 am
Money Line bets just hit the boards and Notre Dame is -370. I am surprised Vegas put out a ML for this game. Because of Lane Kiffin (USC Coach) active Mars-Saturn Natal Paran near the end of game chart, I am making a minimum ML bet where Notre Dame only has to win this game.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:45 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:43 am
It is fun experimenting with these end of game charts with Sidereal Astrology methods, but I have decided to bank my winnings with my 11-5 money betting record, and stop using end of game charts for money betting, unless I have a timed birth chart. Yesterday’s disappointing results have proven to me that unless I have a timed birth chart with the Coach/QB for important games, end of game charts with the astrology I am using is not reliable enough to risk real money betting. But it is fun to use these end of game charts for endeavoring to pick winners for my fun low cost weekly football pool, which I will continue to use. I have a timed birth chart for Aaron Rogers (Packers QB) and I will post what I see when the Packers get into the playoffs or another Super Bowl.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:45 pm
by David Stanton
by skytoucher on Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:31 am
SteveS wrote:
It is fun experimenting with these end of game charts with Sidereal Astrology methods, but I have decided to bank my winnings with my 11-5 money betting record, and stop using end of game charts for money betting, unless I have a timed birth chart. Yesterday’s disappointing results have proven to me that unless I have a timed birth chart with the Coach/QB for important games, end of game charts with the astrology I am using is not reliable enough to risk real money betting. But it is fun to use these end of game charts for endeavoring to pick winners for my fun low cost weekly football pool, which I will continue to use. I have a timed birth chart for Aaron Rogers (Packers QB) and I will post what I see when the Packers get into the playoffs or another Super Bowl.
Fantasy Football would be a great test bed if you could get enough live birth data.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:46 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:50 am
Skytoucher wrote:
Fantasy Football would be a great test bed if you could get enough live birth data.
This is the problem; we can’t get enough live birth data of the QB/Coach’s. As I have previously stated anyone can get a certified copy of an ‘informational’ Birth Certificate from the State of California and Ohio. I have just received an ‘informational’ Birth Certificate on Tyler Bray who is/was the starting QB for the Tennessee Vols. He was born on Dec. 27th, 1991 at 1:18 AM PST, Clovis, California. He lost an important SEC game to Georgia on Oct 8th, 2011, and broke his hand near the end of the game which ended his season. The end of game symbolism worked well with this game, but in order to bet real money with a high % of winning on the end of game charts, we really need a timed birth chart in order to check the SSR, SLR, and possibly Quotidian Charts. Below you can see Tyler’s current SSR. Note the angular Mars (IC)-Saturn (ASC) symbolism with its tight square. Also his current SLR featured a partile 180 transit to his Natal Saturn with a partile conjunction of transiting Pluto to his Natal Sun partile conjunct his SLR MC. I have seen enough evidence confirmed by Robert Hand’s earlier research that transiting Parans (Bray had a transiting Neptune Natal Mars Paran with the end of game chart) are present with events in native’s lives, but not all transiting Parans produce events in a native’s life. I strongly suspect that the SSR and the SLR symbolism would greatly aid in determining when an end of game transiting Paran would manifest itself. Without having the SSR or SLR, we can’t determine when there is negating or confirming symbolism with Natal Parans or Transiting Parans with the end of game charts.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:47 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:09 am
Below is Aaron Roger’s (Packer’s QB) next SSR 12/02/2011 located to his present residence in Green Bay, Wisconsin. His birth data is from a certified copy of his Birth Certificate. Dec 2nd 1983, 2:30 PM, PST, Oroville, California, 39N30,50, 121W33,19.
The Packers are 7-0 and appear to be headed for another NFC title and another trip to the Super Bowl which will be played in Indianapolis. Roger’s next SSR seems to offer strong supporting symbolism, for good fortune is again on the side of Aaron Rogers. Note the tight conjunction of Jupiter on Roger’s SSR MC in Green Bay. This suggest at the very least, if Green Bay maintains home field advantage during the playoffs in Green Bay, the Packers will again make it to the Super Bowl. Indianapolis, the site of the 2012 Super Bowl still places Roger’s SSR Jupiter tightly conjunct his SSR MC. Will look at other Sidereal Astrology methods and the end of game chart if the Packers again make it to the Super Bowl.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:48 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:06 pm
I would like to quote a passage from Donald Bradley’s book ‘Solar and Lunar Returns which has proven true to me with my studies pertaining to Sidereal Astrology. This quote was written in the context of a Lunar Return preceding Freud’s passing.
Lunar Returns, while more powerful in immediate effect, are subservient to the preceding solar return. Therefore, we must look to the lunar return just preceding Freud’s passing for proof that lunar returns usually “time” the major occurrences foreshadowed in the annual chart.
Now I will point out some solid Sidereal Astrology teachings of a Lunar Return (posted below) that preceded Tyler Bray’s season ending injury near the end of a football game on October 8th 2011. First, we should revisit Tyler Bray’s Solar Return which is posted in this topic. Jim states from his book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns:’
The Solar Return is the basis of the most powerful forecasting system presently known to astrological technology
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Jim’s book clearly teaches us when there are angular aspects in a Solar Return to expect ‘outstanding incidents’ pertaining to the planetary symbolism. Tyler Bray’s preceding Solar Return, before his season ending injury, featured a tight angular Mars-Saturn square, so we can expect some type of malefic manifestation to occur sometime during the year of his Solar Return. Bradley’s above quote tells us ‘usually’ the “time” of this malefic manifestation will be symbolized by the preceding lunar return, with lunar returns being ‘subservient’ to the preceding Solar Return. This was exactly the case with both Bray’s preceding Solar Return and Lunar Return before his season ending injury. But Bradley did not offer details for isolating THE lunar return that would manifest the dynamic symbolism of a Solar Return; therefore, I had to devise my own method.
Continued in next post.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:48 pm
by David Stanton
Continued from previous post.
Understand most Solar Returns do not feature dynamic symbolism which produces an ‘outstanding incident.’ But when I see a dynamic Solar Return I immediately will calculate all 13 lunar returns which follow the dynamic Solar Return, which takes only a few mouse clicks with Solar Fire to calculate. Then I follow the same guidelines in Jim’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ to help isolate the lunar return that will fire off the symbolism of the dynamic Solar Return. I first will scan all 13 lunar returns looking specifically for partile planetary conjunctions to the lunar return angles. In most lunar returns there will be no partile planetary conjunctions to the lunar angles, but when they are partile conjunctions to the angles I will pay close attention to the lunar return with a bi-wheel with the natal chart. I am looking to see if the partile planetary conjunction to a lunar angle is in partile aspect with a natal planet. If the dynamic solar return features malefic symbolism, then I am only looking for malefic symbolism with a lunar return featuring partile planetary conjunction with the lunar angle. With Bray’s 13 lunars which followed his 2010 Solar Return, there were only two lunar returns which featured partile planetary conjunctions to a lunar angle. The first was the Aug 3rd 2011 lunar return but it featured a partile conjunction of Jupiter to the lunar Ascendant. The Solar Return was malefic with Mars and Saturn in square aspect on the angles, so I am definitely not looking for this Jupiter lunar to manifest the malefic manifestations of Mars-Saturn. The only other lunar return that featured a partile planetary aspect with a lunar angle was the Sept 26 2011 lunar return which featured Pluto partile conjunct the lunar MC and partile conjunct natal Sun. Also, the Sept 26th lunar featured a partile opposition of transiting Mars to Natal Saturn. This was the lunar return that preceded Bray’s season ending injury, and as Bradley explains in his above quote was the lunar return which was ‘subservient’ to the preceding malefic Solar Return, which manifested the malefic symbolism of the Mars-Saturn Solar Return. If you don’t find any partile planetary conjunctions to the lunar angles, then look for tight planetary conjunctions to the angles with partile aspects to solar or natal planets. It was Pluto partile conjunct Bray’s Sept 26th lunar MC, partile conjunct his natal Sun that offered the symbolism that created a ‘life altering’ event of the season ending injury. And it was the transiting Neptune in Paran with Bray’s Natal Mars on the end of game chart for Oct.8th that timed the day of the injury which ended the football season for Tyler Bray. But my main point with this post, is to point out the fact there is much astrological truth with Jim’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ and Bradley’s book ‘Solar and Lunar Returns.’ Both of these books which are out of print teach the correct way to ‘read’ Solunar Return Charts.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:49 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:58 am
I have recently received by mail Tom Brady’s (New England Patriots QB) certified ‘informational’ birth certificate:
Aug. 3rd, 1977, 11:48 AM, San Mateo, California, 37N33,47/122W19,28.
As I have stated in this topic, I have been doing some research with prominent sports figures with Sidereal Astrology methods. Tom Brady won his first Super Bowl on Feb 3rd, 2002 in New Orleans, Louisiana and received the Most Valuable Player Award. The New England Patriots were 14 points underdogs for this Super Bowl. Below was Brady’s current SSR for this Super Bowl event relocated to New Orleans. Note the tight conjunction of the two benefics of Venus-Jupiter tightly conjunct the Descendant. The midpoint of Venus-Jupiter is partile conjunct Brady’s 2001 SSR Descendant relocated to New Orleans. Bradley in his book ‘Solar and Lunar Returns’ says about Venus-Jupiter aspects when falling on the angles of a Return Chart:
When the two benefics are prominently related by aspect, the native is carried aloft on a magic carpet of enthusiasm. His affairs run harmoniously, he receives gifts (awards), and he bubbles over with carefree exuberance.
The ‘cornerstone’ of Sidereal Astrology’s Methods involves planetary placements with the angles of Return Charts.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:49 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:18 am
Probing deeper into Tom Brady’s first Super Bowl with a victory, we should look at the partile transiting aspects (1 degree or less orb) which were occurring at game time for Brady. Solar Fire has a great feature that lists the partile transiting aspects for a given time/day to an individual’s chart. Here is the procedure for the list of partile aspects:
1: Calculate the two charts with the event chart of the estimated time duration of the football game.
2: Click on view and then select bi-wheel.
3: For the inner wheel, I select Brady’s Natal Chart and the outer wheel the event/transit chart.
4: Then click view and to the right of bi-wheel click on Reports.
5: You will see many options to choose from under the Reports & Tabulations Box. Click on Sorted Aspects, this should give you a list of all the partile aspects. I pay close attention to the harmonic 8 transiting partile aspects to the Native’s personal points of the Sun, Moon, and Angles, with particular attention for the conjunction, opposition, and square partile aspects (if found) to the angles of the Native’s Chart. I also pay close attention to the transiting lights in partile aspect to the Native’s planets.
Why Partile Aspects? Jim Eshelman writes from his book, ‘Interpreting Solar Returns:’
"Partile aspects reign supreme."
Partile aspects are a very important component of Sidereal Astrology. Next post we will explore some of the partile transiting aspects that were present with Brady’s Natal Chart for his first Super Bowl victory. Same for his Solar Return with later posts.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm
by David Stanton
Tom Brady’s Partile Transiting Aspects to his Natal Chart for his first Super Bowl victory Feb. 3rd. 2002, kickoff 5:45 PM, CST, New Orleans. First, the transiting lights and aspects his natal lights received.
1: Transiting Moon was partile conjunct Brady’s Natal Uranus for the entire game. Bradley says about Uranus symbolism from his book Solar & Lunar Returns:
Always read Uranus as “the thrill planet,” for its very essence is pleasurable excitement. Memorable is the year or month when the Moon and Uranus are prominently connected by aspect.
Although Bradley is stating these above words in the context of Solar & Lunar Returns, we can still see how this partile t. Moon partile conjunct Brady’s n. Uranus during game time, cast a huge psychological influence on Brady with a tremendous amount of ‘thrill & excitement’ for winning his first Super Bowl. Also, it is very interesting that Brady’s team won this Super Bowl on the last play of the game with a 48 yard field goal. Ebertin says about Moon-Uranus symbolism from COSI:
…the attainment of sudden successes…
2: Transiting Jupiter partile square Brady’s Natal Moon. There is no better symbolism for successes when Jupiter, the greater benefic, partile transits our Natal/Solar lights.
3: Transiting Sun partile 120 Brady’s Natal Sun. Bradley says about Sun-Mars symbolism:
…denotes a burning zeal for self satisfaction through aggression, fighting, and the destruction of all obstacles and opponents…
Ebertin says about Sun- Mars’s symbolism from COSI:
"Probable Manifestations: Advancement in life through one’s own effort, acceptance of leading positions (he was the QB and accepted the MVP), the overcoming of difficulties and dangers, vocational success, extraordinary achievements."
Remember, the above transiting aspects involving the lights are all Partile aspects reinforcing Jim’s teachings that:
“Partile aspects reign supreme.”
More Partile aspects to continue in next post.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:26 am
I started this topic as an experiment/research project. When I started this project, I did not have any certified Birth Times of the QB’S & Coaches, but I had all of the QB & Coaches birthdays which gave me the degree of all their natal planets except the all important natal Moon. The main criteria of my research was to research partile aspects on game day/time, and to closely monitor the end of game mundane angles, looking for transits that were in close contact with the end of game angles, aspecting the natal planets of the QB & Coach. The first few weeks of the college football season, I was spending 20-30 hours a week constructing end of game charts to be bi-wheeled with the birthday charts, looking for very close angular contacts. It just so happened, I found a few transiting Parans that offered a high % of winning bets. But, in order to increase the winning % of bets, I needed a certified birth time in order to accurately calculate the Solar & Lunar Returns, making sure there was not dynamic symbolism on the Return Charts which could negate the symbolism of the end of game charts. I have offered a beautiful example with Tyler Bray’s timed birth where he had dynamic angular Mars-Saturn symbolism with his Solar Return and then one Saturday with an end of game chart he had a nasty transiting Neptune in Paran Configuration with his Natal Mars. He had an end of season injury and his team lost the game.
I have just now calculated the estimated end of game chart for Super Bowl 36 and there is a beautiful transiting Paran of Jupiter with Tom Brady’s Natal Moon. The bi-wheel showing this Paran is below. I have been trying to find the official time for the end of Super Bowl 36 without success but even if this estimated end time is off by a few minutes Tom Brady still experienced this t. Jupiter Paran to his Natal Moon very near the end of game. The official time of the start of the game was 5:45 PM CST and the average length of time for a regular season NFL TV game is 3 hours and 10 minutes, but this was a Super Bowl with an extended half time presentation and a ceremony for the tragic event of 9/11. I allowed an extra 35 minutes to end this Super Bowl which is 9:30 PM CST.
1: End of game MC 11,15 GEM with a sidereal time of 6:26:14
2: Transiting Jupiter Culminates with a sidereal time of 6:29:08
3: Brady’s Natal Moon Sets with a sidereal time of 6:29:49
All of these times tell us t. Jupiter and Brady’s Natal Moon were placed, bodily on the MC and Descendant, constituting the most powerful configuration know I is astrology—a Paran. If you remember, one of Brady’s Partile aspects for this Super Bowl was t. Jupiter partile 90 his Natal Moon. Since we have discovered this is actually in Paran formation, this Partile aspect is greatly amplified. Jim Eshelman and his colleague Matthew Quellas taught me the great importance of recognizing Parans in the field of astrology and my early research with end of game charts with very important games are reflecting the presence of transiting Parans.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:51 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:03 am
Yesterday’s local sports page featured a prediction by a reported renowned Psychic in New Orleans for tomorrow nights important national championship game. Here is the quoted article:
New Orleans Times-Picayne writer Jim Kleinpeter went in search of a little differnt perspective for a prediction on the big game. Klenpeter turned to Otis Biggs, who has practiced psychic arts for almost 40 years at the Bottom of the Cup tea room on Charles Street in the French Quarters. Kleinpeter picked seven Tarot cards for both LSU and Alabama, and Biggs gave the following reading: 'For LUS, he said he saw balance, Lady Luck, passion, moving forward, harvest, good communication and celebration. For Alabama, he saw scattered passion, and noted this group overall is passive. He said he also saw a lot of stress in the Alabama cards. Biggs then turned to his crystal ball, saying, No one gets hurt. Things will work out good for LSU. LSU will score at least 20 points. LSU is going to run over them and will have success into next year. They've really got it all togrther.
This article intrigued my interest and I turned to my craft, astrology, to see if there were any confirming indicators from the heavens dittoing the Psychic’s read, POSSIBLY predicting an LSU victory. LSU is a slight underdog in this game with Alabama being favored by a couple of points. Predicting the outcome of a football game without timed births of the quarterbacks/coaches is not a good idea, but in some cases, only involving very important games with a huge national interest, certain techniques of sidereal astrology, without a timed birth, will yield a correct prediction. One of the ‘supreme’ techniques of Sidereal Astrology involves partile aspects. A partile aspect is an orb of one degree or less. Jim teaches ‘partile aspects reign supreme.’
First we should calculate an end of game chart. It is impossible for us to know exactly when the game will end, and we can only guess when the game will end, there are varying factors. The average college TV football game lasts 3 and half hours. I think kick off is scheduled for 7:30 PM CST, this will give us the game ending around 11:00 PM. Computing a chart for New Orleans at 11:00 PM computes a MC of 8GEM49. The partile aspects for the end of game chart are Moon 90 Jupiter (*note Moon is coming off, within a day, of a full Moon, so, we have a potent Moon here in an environmental setting of an emotional public setting for a very important national football game). Saturn partiles 120 Neptune, Uranus partiles 120 this full Moon. It is interesting this Full Moon receives partile aspects from Jupiter and Uranus in a setting for a very important national football game. I always like to look at the partile aspects for the end of the game and see if these partile aspects are dynamically wired in with partile aspects to a QB or Coach’s Natal Planets. If found, these partile aspects can sometimes offer a good clue, providing the better with a betting edge. Also should be noted, the end of game chart features some important angular activity in the immediate foreground. The angles of a chart are the ‘cornerstones’ of Sidereal Astrology. We see Uranus setting and Mercury & Pluto on the IC. This could be an indication the end of game will be very exciting with intense emotional excitement. If so, I will note the exact time for the end of game, noting if any Parans exist for a learning experience. If this game comes down to winning play near the end of the game, we should note any ‘Lady Luck’ factors which the Psychic said ‘Lady Luck’ will be on the side of LSU. We all know Jupiter has much influence with ‘Lady Luck.’
Continued into next post.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:51 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:23 am
Continued from previous post.
Here are the birthdays for LSU QB Jordan Jefferson, LSU Coach Les Miles, and Bama’s Coach Nick Saban. There is no birthday for Bama’s QB.
1: Jordan Jefferson, Aug 25th, 1990
2: Les Miles, Nov. 10th, 1953
3: Nick Saban, Oct. 31st, 1951
I could go into great detail with the partile transiting aspects with the above 3 birthdays, but I am ‘keying’ off what the New Orleans Psychic read in the Tarot Cards. The Psychic said he saw ‘Lady Luck’ being on the side of LSU, which is a little discerning since we know the Psychic will be pulling for LSU, being a resident of Louisiana. But as a football fan, I know there is a tremendous amount of luck involved in winning important football games. One key turn over can determine the winner of an important game. Usually in a national championship game, the teams from a talent level are evenly matched, so again the winner is usually determined by ‘Lady Luck.’ Since Jupiter has much influence with ‘Luck,’ I am looking for a very strong emphasis of Natal & Transiting Jupiter with the above birthdays. I don’t have to do a-lot of analyzing to see that LSU’s QB, Jefferson Jordon is greatly influenced by the light of Jupiter’s ‘Lucky’ symbolism. Transiting Jupiter is at 5,51 Aires in near partile 90 to his Natal Jupiter at 6,56 Cancer. Transiting Jupiter will be in partile 90 phase to Jefferson’s Natal Jupiter 2 days after this game. But more importantly, the transiting full Moon will be partile conjunct Jefferson’s Natal Jupiter by the time he and his team mates are in a POSSIBLE celebratory locker room (*note the psychic read a tarot card indicating celebration). There is no better symbolism for predicting winners that Moon-Jupiter symbolism, and note the transiting full Moon is in Cancer, in which the Moon rules. I don’t believe this strong Jupiter symbolism emphasized with Jefferson’s Natal Jupiter is a fluke coincidence. I believe this is a cosmic plane to indicate a QB winning a national champship game. Also note angular Uranus in the end of game chart is angular throwing a partile 120 to Jefferson Natal Jupiter. I have posted in this thread where Arron Rogers (timed birth) had a tight Jupiter-Uranus conjunction, conjuncting his SQ MC, on the day the the last Super Bowl. It is my belief that Jupiter-Uranus symbolism is par-excellent symbolism for QB's winning important games. Ebertin labeled Jupiter-Uranus symbolism as the 'Thank You Lord' aspect where tension is released after winning an important game by a QB. Even though I am working without the timed births, I feel I have found a betting edge to make a recreational bet on this important football game.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:51 pm
by David Stanton
by Jim Eshelman on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:01 pm
So much for the psychic: 'Bama over LSU 21-0.
My condolences.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:51 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:56 am
So much for the psychic: 'Bama over LSU 21-0.
Indeed! If I am ever in New Orleans at the Bottom of the Cup Tea Room, it will be only for a cup of tea—no Tarot Reading.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:52 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:32 am
Aaron Rogers AA rated birth time with his current Solar Return has Jupiter tightly conjunct his SSR MC-1,36 degrees. I interpret this SSR as symbolizing Aaron’s goals & objectives (MC) as a QB will manifest in a Jupiterian manner. I am betting the remainder of my season’s winnings on Green Bay to win its game vs. the Giants with a - 3.10 Money Line. If I win this bet, I will then bet all of my winnings with a Money Line for Green Bay to win the NFC Championship game to be played in Green Bay. Note: Roger's SSR Jupiter was retograde at the time of his current SSR. Jupiter is now direct in motion and will be partile conjunct his SSR MC for Green Bay's next two home games. If I win the second bet, I will bet half my season’s winnings on Green Bay to win its second Super Bowl. Aaron Rogers AA rated birth time: Dec. 2nd 1983, 2:50 PM, PST, Oroville, California.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:52 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:52 pm
I am making a small recreational bet on the Patroits to win the game with a money line bet, per Tom Brady's AA rated Secondary progressed Chart. The Moon Jupiter Mars tight conjunction being the astrological reason.
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Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:12 am
When I can hit the pause button on my Solunar Sidereal Cardinal Ingress learning from Jim’s teachings, I will if possible accumulate a World data base of the major sport’s cities that experience acute celebrations/joy/happiness when their teams win major sports championships. There is a good possibility the techniques of these Sidereal Ingresses will foretell the Winners with acute Venus-Jupiter symbolism--and/or acute Saturn symbolism for the losers.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:57 pm
Jim has clearly demonstrated we are seeing very prominent symbolism with Bradley’s guidelines in his AA Ingress articles with all kinds of significant world events. I maintain with the same type analysis we can see specific differences with the winning and loosing cities or national capitols for major sporting events, which should be able to foretell the winner. With major sporting events we are dealing with the same collective psychology for a mass of people in a sports city or capitol city for World Cups, as we would for a Capitol like DC for a group of mad/crazy politicians
So far I have only looked at two major sporting events, the 2010 World Cup which Spain won over the Netherlands, and the 2013 Super Bowl which Baltimore won over San Francisco. There were clear precise angular differences with the two SQ’s for the Super Bowl cities, which falls into my axiom: when we can see an ‘out of ordinary’ event for a scheduled DAY ahead of us, we should be able to distinguish "non-dormant" angular symbolism for a winner, particularly with the two Q-DAY Charts and their angles. If you will take the 2012 Cansolar for Baltimore and San Francisco, and then compute the 2012 CanQ Day of 2/3/2013 (Super Bowl), 11:00 PM CST for these two Super Bowl participants your eyes will see, IMO, a specific difference pertaining to the tight planetary 90’s & 180’s with the angles and vertex of the two CanQ’s for each city. I know I can be accused of using 20-20 hinny sight but I think I am being objective using Bradley’s/Jim's teachings for ‘Unveiling a New Tool’. Please express your opinions with these two Super Bowl cities and their two CanQ’s. Please understand Jim is not advocating the use of this ‘New Tool’ for picking major sports winners—only this Virgo gambler who was born with a speculative/gambling soul. But regardless, thanks to Jim ‘unveiling’ this exciting ‘New Tool,’ we will have this ‘New Tool’ for analysis in our next Super Bowl—will be fun.
ps: I am seeing a good bit of clear vertex symbolism with my analysis of certain mundane charts.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:06 am
CanQ Feb 3rd 2013, 11:00 PM CST for city of Baltimore, winner of Super Bowl.
Vertex 12,17 Pi
Moon 12,47 Gem
Mars 12,41 Vig
Pluto 12,54 Sag
Uranus 13,37 Pi
Jim writes in ISR:
I do not consider the Vertex an angle so much as an important "sensitive point." Planets conjunct, opposite, or square the the Vertex are highly accented...
The above accented planets with the Vertex manifested with the public of Baltimore and Capitol of Maryland winning their Super Bowl.
LibQ for Baltimore:
MC 00,21 Air
Sun 00,18 Lib
* Sun is illuminating the city of Baltimore.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm
by David Stanton
by Debbie on Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:59 am
Nice Steve, I will enjoy reading your assessments. It is good to focus on the happy times for a place, especially during these worrisome days.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:53 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:45 am
Deb, you need to have access to an astrological program to compute these Sidereal Cardinal Ingresses and their Quotidian Charts. I think you will discover they are very illuminating with all kinds of possibilites.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:54 pm
by David Stanton
When the astrological mind clearly sees/understands the surgical timing precision of solar quotidian charts with their changing daily angles (Q-angles), the astrologer truly begins to experience a true astrological timing art. Definitions of Art:
Skill gained by experience with study. Skill in adapting natural forces to human needs and uses. Ingenuity. Learning, or the field or process of learning. The principles of any branch of learning. Systematic use of learning of knowledge and skill in making or doing things.
In my 40 years of learning astrology, nothing compares to the timing art of quotidian charts. The following is some true quotidian art with cardinal solar ingress charts, foretelling Spain winning the 2010 World Cup. The Capitol of Spain is Madrid from which we compute our sidereal cardinal solar ingress charts.
Madrid’s 2009 Cansolar:
Descendant: 02,54 Aqu
Jupiter (E): 00,33 Aqu Mundo Jupiter 02,39 from Descendant
This Cansolar qualifies itself as non-dormant, emphasizing Jupiter.
2010 Arisolar for Madrid:
EP (East Point) RA 275,38
Pluto RA 275,40
* This Sidereal Cardinal Solar Ingress qualifies itself as non-dormant, emphasizing Pluto. Bradley says about Pluto benefic effects when prominent in Return Maps:
Pluto is prominent with regard to “miracles.” Pluto’s effects are swift, sensation-creating, and record breaking. Pluto denotes “firsts” in the life.
** Spain won its “first” World Cup since World Cup tournaments began in 1930.
Now for the true Quotidian Astrological Art. Quotidian’s has great potential with their progressed angles from Sidereal Solar Cardinal Ingresses for calculating events to the exact DAY of the event. The finals of the World Cup were played July 11th 2010. The match ended at 6:00 PM with the best of my searches.
CanQ July 11 2010 for Madrid:
Mundo Jupiter partile conjunct CanQ Des.
* Cansolar for Madrid non-dormant with Jupiter and CanQ July 11 was non-dormant with Jupiter.
Now for the amazing “non-dormant” AriQ July 11 2010 for Madrid:
t. Jup 08,17 Pi partile 90 t. Pluto 08,17 Sag.
AriQ Asc 09,07 Pi
AriQ Mc 07,14 Sag.
t. Jup Rises S.T. (Sidereal Time) 18,13,39
t. Pluto Culminates ST 18,15,34
AriQ Asc & AriQ MC rises and culminates respectively with a ST of 18,09,17. This is a most rare transiting Paran of Jupiter & Pluto with this AriQ DAY quotidian. Remember the Arisolar for Madrid was “non-dormant” emphasizing Pluto.
Do I expect to see this kind of ‘clarity and acuity’ every time for major sporting Q charts? No, but when I do, I will book a flight to Las Vegas for me and my wife of 43 years and bet 10% of my bank account. Then with my winnings, I will buy my wife a nice gift and send part of my winnings to Mr. Jim Eshelman, my true astrological teacher for teaching me the true astrological Art of Cardinal Solar Sidereal Ingress Charts and their quotidians. This true astrological Art can only be found in the original teachings of Sidereal Astrology. Believe me, this astrological Art needs to be learned by all serious astrologers.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:54 pm
by David Stanton
by DDonovanKinsolving on Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:30 pm
SteveS wrote:
The above accented planets with the Vertex manifested with the public of Baltimore and Capitol of Maryland winning their Super Bowl.
A minor correction from a native Marylander: Annapolis is the state capitol; Baltimore is merely the state's biggest city. If you're speaking of team names, well, then, never mind, since I don't know anything about sports.
-Derek
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:54 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Tue Sep 10, 2013 5:32 am
Hi Derek,
Thanks for the correction on the Capitol of Maryland. In this case it does not alter the pertinent symbolism using either Baltimore or Annapolis, but for clarity we should use the cities of the NFL teams for analysis.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:54 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:34 pm
I am in the process of analyzing all of the Super Bowl winners, World Cup winners, College Football National Championships winners with Bradley’s/Jim’s Sidereal Ingress teachings. This will take some time to finish in an organized Sidereal Astrology fashion. What few I have done is showing, IMO, acute angular planetary symbolism for the winning cities according to Bradley’s guidelines in ‘Unveiling a New Tool.’ I skipped the 2012 Super Bowl because the two teams, New York Giants & New England Patriots were basically from the same geographic area, hence same angles. When I got to the 2011 Super Bowl between Green Bay and Pittsburg, I did not need go any further than the ‘face’ of Green Bay Wisconsin’s Capsolar, the Master Ingress of the year for any city—to astrologically see WHY Green Bay would win the Super Bowl.
Mundo Venus partile conjunct Asc.
Mundo Jupiter 2,51 conjunct IC
IC 02,05 Pi
Jup (E) 03,50 Pi
Ur (E) 02,27 Pi
Jupiter-Uranus symbolism is the ‘Thank you Lord’ aspect with Ebertin’s work, and what is interesting, Aaron Rogers (AA rated birth time), Packer’s quarterback SSRQ for Super Bowl Day had this Jupiter-Uranus conjunction on his Q MC. I am not going to be posting all the details of my full analysis, but with my Sidereal Astrology experience, I have already seen enough acute symbolism to KNOW Bradley’s and Jim’s teachings with Sidereal Cardinal Ingress Charts is working as a pure natural symbolic law for foretelling the winners of certain major sporting event/cities. I will be glad to help anyone who is interested in pursuing this sporting event study but they must have Solarfire software.
*Computing the 2011 Capsolar for Green Bay Wisconsin verses Pittsburg Pa is illuminating to the eyes.
With all our modern knowledge and scientific equipment, and with the the great strides made in mathematics,
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:55 pm
by David Stanton
2010 Super Bowl Feb 7th 2010: New Orleans Saints 31 Indianapolis Colts 17
Cyril Fagan stated:
Paranatellonta (Paran): When two or more planets are simultaneously on the same, adjacent or opposite angles they are said to be in paranatellonta (paran). This is the most powerful of all configurations.
I would like to point out a critical astrological detail for the CanQ DAY for this Super Bowl. When we compute the 2009 Cansolar for Indianapolis, Indiana (Home of the Colts), we discover there is a potential Paran of Saturn Culminating and Mars setting in its anaereta degree. This potential Mars-Saturn Paran becomes active for only 1-2 days for the entire Cansolar year with its Q Days. It just so happens on the DAY of the Super Bowl at the end of the game 10:00 PM CST (and during the game), this potential 2009 Cansolar Paran became active.
Feb 7th 2010, 10:00 PM CanQ produced a Q Paran of Mars-Saturn:
CanQ MC Culminates with ST of 11:20:49
CanQ Mars Sets with ST of 11:21:02
CanQ Saturn Culminates with ST of 11:18:54
This critical Mars-Saturn Paran is surreal when working Bradley’s quotidian technique with his work ‘Unveiling a New Tool.’
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:55 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:56 am
Feb 1 2009 Super Bowl: Pittsburg Steelers 27 Arizona Cardinals (Phoenix) 23
The Master Chart of the year, the Capsolar, clearly favored Pittsburg for winning their 6th Super Bowl.
Benefic Capsolar and CapQ angular contacts for Pittsburg:
CapQ Jupiter (Mundo) 1’ 56” from CapQ Des
T. Jupiter 2’35” from CapQ Des
T. Venus 1’56 East of Capsolar MC
* T. Venus (Social Celebration) partile conjunct Capsolar MC on Feb 3rd when the city of Pittsburg had the Super Bowl Parade.
The Capsolar and CapQ for Phoenix had no benefic angular contacts.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:55 pm
by David Stanton
by DDonovanKinsolving on Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:44 am
The next SuperBowl will be held February 2, 2014. Coordinates of location here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meadowlands_Sports_Complex
SteveS, would you be willing to stick your neck out a little and survey the teams for the likelihood of winning or losing? - Not who will be playing, just, IF they were playing the SuperBowl, would the team win or lose, as per your understanding of your methods?
This might be a tall order, but some Astrocartography maps could make it easier.
-Derek
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:55 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:45 am
Derek wrote:
SteveS, would you be willing to stick your neck out a little and survey the teams for the likelihood of winning or losing? - Not who will be playing, just, IF they were playing the Super
Bowl, would the team win or lose, as per your understanding of your methods?
To analyze all the NFL cities with Bradley’s ‘Unveiling a New Tool’ to determine the possibility of who would win the Super Bowl would indeed be a 'tall order.' However, you have given me an idea. There is a huge SEC College game between Texas AM (College Station, Texas) and Alabama (Tuscaloosa, Alabama) tomorrow Sat Sept 14th which has National Championship implications. Alabama is an 8 point favorite. When I have time, before kick-off, (2:30 CDT), I will do an analysis using Bradley’s ‘Unveiling a New Tool’. IMO, only championship games should be analyzed but this college game has enough national interest—acute angular activity may be present for one of the two cities for a clear judgement.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:56 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:42 am
2013 Capsolar (Master Chart for a year) for College Station, Texas:
Non-Dormant
Mundo Venus partile conjunct Descendant
Venus receives a partile 150 from Jupiter
Venus conjunct Pluto, orb 2,36 (E)
2013 Capsolar for Tuscaloosa, Alabama
Dormant, using Jim’s 3 degree mundo orb to an angle.
For the balance of the entire football season, the Capsolars by themselves clearly favor Texas AM with a powerful angular Venus (Celebration-Victories). Could be indicative of a Texas AM upset over Bama.
CapQ for College Station, Texas on Sept 14th 6:00 PM CDT (end of game):
Dormant using all the angles, but non-dormant with Q Jupiter partile 90 Vertex.
CapQ for Tuscaloosa, Alabama:
Non-Dormant
Mundo Mars partile conjunct CapQ Asc. *Could be indicative of angry Bama fans with an imp. Loss.
I would interpret the CapQ’s by themselves as favoring Texas AM. Got to run some errands but will continue later.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:56 pm
by David Stanton
by Jim Eshelman on Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:11 am
SteveS wrote:
Venus receives a partile 150 from Jupiter
I encourage you to ignore a quincunx in particular and, more specifically, to only use 90° series aspects (or, possibly, 45° series aspects) for solar and lunar ingresses.
I know this isn't what I showed in ISR for solar returns; however, the ingresses are, in many ways, not personal solunar returns.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:56 pm
by David Stanton
by Jim Eshelman on Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:24 am
Steve, you have the expertise on this... I'm wondering what you've seen on a couple of technical things I see in these charts.
I decided to look at the lunar ingresses. One complication: A new Caplunar sets up tomorrow at 10:40 PM. For College Station, it has Mars on the IC, square Saturn. I'd read it as "unhappy in Texas... and somebody's getting hurt really bad." Presuming the game doesn't run that late, where does this chart fall in the picture? Not at all? Or, affecting late night parties? Or, showing how people are affected as the news gets out that evening and the next day? Not sure how to weigh it in.
Second, the chart to REALLY catch my attention is the September 1 Canlunar for Tuscaloosa. Uranus and Pluto pair with Jupiter on the angles. In games, I'd normally read a Jupiter-Uranus-Pluto trio as a favorable result for a long-shot. But 'Bama is the favorite. I'm not sure I could read this as a success chart absent the "overthrow, longshot" effect. And Jupiter is the last angular of the three, so I'm inclined to read it as "disruption of the odds in Tuscaloosa, ignore the Jupiter, the longer shot wins, 'Bama loses."
But I really don't watch charts like this month. Curious how you read this.
Re: Betting Football with Sidereal Astrology Methods (2011)
Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:56 pm
by David Stanton
by SteveS on Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:43 pm
Jim wrote:
Steve, you have the expertise on this...
No expertise Jim, I am a rookie and this Bama/AM game is my first analysis before the fact. However, IMO, I am seeing outstanding results with winning and loosing Super Bowl teams from their respected cities and last World Cup Madrid Spain using Bradley’s ‘New Tool’.
Jim wrote:
One complication: A new Caplunar sets up tomorrow at 10:40 PM. For College Station, it has Mars on the IC, square Saturn. I'd read it as "unhappy in Texas... and somebody's getting hurt really bad."
Jim, I have not looked at the lunars yet, but your above words and Sept 1 Canlunar for Tuscaloosa make good sense. I would defintely include the new Caplunar for College Station with full analysis for this game.
I will continue my rookie analysis with the ‘New Tool’ for this most important SEC contest. BTW, since we already have the scheduled Q Days for big eventful games, would you allow more analytical weight for the Q’s, particularily if we get mixed interpretation for all the charts?