Potential Natal Parans

[SteveS]

Jim, we are each born with our individual Natal Circles. Do you believe our ‘potential’ natal parans sets certain repeating daily psychological processes throughout our lives as these potential parans comes to the daily angles each day.

[Jim Eshelman]

In principle, they have to, provided they are calculated for where we are actually living at the moment.

I've gradually come around to a position of having less and less interest in parans or, rather, seeing them in the larger picture of being one kind ofsco-angularity. One of the biggest trip-ups is that (contrary to the prevailing theory in the '60d and '70s), these co-angularities aren't always mundane phenomena - in some situations (e.g., quotidians) they are ecliptical phenomena (which throws out 90% of my historic use of and interest in "classic Fagan parans").

But we do see that, when someone changes locale, the difference in their old parans and new parans becomes evident, so there has to be at least a subtle effect.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

But we do see that, when someone changes locale, the difference in their old parans and new parans becomes evident, so there has to be at least a subtle effect.

I agree! Always living very close to my birth location and being 71 years of age, I can look back and see my Natal Potential Parans has definitely played an intricate role in shaping certain key psychological processes with my life. I will later offer examples of potential parans in my natal chart and how I see they have shaped my psychological life on a daily basis.

[SteveS]

Before I get into my potential natal parans, I want to explain about ‘potential’ natal parans. These ‘potential’ natal parans are completely hidden from our eyes viewing our natal charts, but once everyday with our individual natal wheels rotating a full 360 degrees our natal potential parans are brought to angles of our individual natal wheel. I was educated about a ‘potential’ paran from Jim’s book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ and have pondered about em a-lot, related to my life.

For example: I was born with a non- angular Mercury at 20,10 Virgo and a non-angular Uranus at 02,06 Gemini with no zodiacal traditional aspect. Most astrologers would completely discount Mercury and Uranus in my Natal Chart, but with certain geometric properties of my individual Natal Wheel with the zodiacal positions on my Natal Mercury and Uranus, these two planets are in ‘potential’ daily paran with the rotation of the Earth on its axis at my natal location. As long as I am living close to my Natal Birth location which I have all my life, the Earth’s rotation relative to my birth location will bring my Natal Mercury-Uranus from a ‘potential’ paran into an ‘active’ paran with my Natal Mercury culminating and Natal Uranus setting at a daily Sidereal Time of 12:51:11, orb 0,15.

This poses a very interesting question to a counseling astrologer: Should the astrologer counsel a client with their Natal Charts using potential natal parans? I can only offer a possible answer to this question with another question: Has this potential natal paran of Mercury-Uranus psychologically influence my life on a daily basic? My answer is a resounding YES! What does Ebertin say in his COSI book about the ‘Sociological Correspondence’ for Mercury-Uranus:

Mathematician, technician, physicist, a person engaged professionally in the study and application of (cosmic) rhythmics, a cosmobiologist.

Ebertin and his colleagues in the German Schools of Astrology coined the word “cosmobiologist” for a clear astrological signature for a serious minded Astrologer. Ever since the first day I discovered the field of Astrology, there has not been one single day in my life I have not been psychologically absorbed with the study of Astrology, my thoughts (Mercury) has daily been involved with the unique (Uranus) field of Astrology. Also, sociological, my life’s path has crossed Jim Eshelman forum life applied to Sidereal Astrology, and Jim is the greatest ‘mathematician’ I have had the pleasure of learning about Sidereal Astrology. In fact, Jim was born with a Direct Mercury/Uranus =Vertex, which I consider as a major component of his chart explaining, at least to me, the cosmic reason he is a person who has applied his life to the serious expert study of Sidereal Astrology, and a great ‘technician’ in the field of Sidereal Astrology—technique is important.

AFAIC, relative to my life, my ‘potential’ natal paran of Mercury-Uranus is the main cosmic cause for me applying my mind on a daily basis to the field of Astrology. There is not a day goes by in my daily life I am not psychologically engaged in the field of Astrology, and my ‘potential’ daily paran of Mercury-Uranus perfectly explains this daily astrological, psychological, ‘rhythmic’ impulse in my life. IMO, we all should be aware of our ‘potential’ daily natal parans and how these hidden ‘potential’ parans may be shaping our daily psychological lives along with the standard aspects in our Natal Charts.

[SteveS]

Potential natal parans are influences which affect us psychologically on a daily basis in subtle ways, but becomes more apparent as psychological life ‘themes’ with age and experience-- these hidden potential natal parans may be more astrologically important than we realize living in a birth location to a senior age.

Another potential natal paran in my chart is Moon setting and Saturn anti-culminating with a daily Sidereal Time of 21:23:21, orb 0,10. My non-angular Moon is 15,22 Scorpio, Saturn 24,03 Cancer, no standard aspect. This Moon-Saturn potential paran has definitely manifested in my life on a daily basis for long periods of time. It has manifested through my parents with my father an alcoholic and at times battering my mother leading to a very bloody divorce, very depressing! As a child growing-up and a kid, I dealt with this on a daily basis, and as an adult I had to deal on a daily basis with a very depressed alcoholic father after he lost his daughter in a tragic accident. Growing-up as a child/kid I had no choice in this matter, but when I became an adult I told my father either he quit his abusive drinking and clean-up his act, or I was going to cut him out of my life. He continued to drink and I completely cut him out of my life, he passed away in 1997. Now, I am having, at times, to deal with the depressing quality of Moon-Saturn with my wife caring for close friends in her life who die slowly of terminal cancer or live alone with serious health problems. This Moon-Saturn natal potential paran situation affects me in depressed ways more than my wife who spends much more timing caring for her dying friends than I do at times.

Anyway, looking back on my life I can clearly see how this Natal Moon-Saturn potential paran has psychologically affected my life for long periods of time, yet the Natal Chart itself on its surface shows no depressing quality of Moon-Saturn.

[Jim Eshelman]

Anyway, looking back on my life I can clearly see how this Natal Moon-Saturn potential paran has psychologically affected my life for long periods of time, yet the Natal Chart itself on its surface shows no depressing quality of Moon-Saturn.

Yes, those do indeed sound like Moon-Saturn and there is no other simple Moon-Saturn theme in your natal chart I can see (aside from the way-too-general Saturn in Cancer).

You do have an important midpoint that describes these really well, though: Moon is 0°22' from Venus/Saturn. (It's a square, but I can't really discern a strength difference between the squares to midpoints and the conjunctions.)

There's another curio - something I still consider experimental and perhaps questionable in Sidereal astrology, but worth noting: Your Novien Moon is at 18°22' Pisces closely opposite your Neptune at 16°01' Virgo (and, more completely, your Mercury-Neptune conjunction). Some of these responses (especially because they rest heavily on empathy for others' suffering) could be Moon-Neptune responses. Your thoughts?

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

You do have an important midpoint that describes these really well, though: Moon is 0°22' from Venus/Saturn. (It's a square, but I can't really discern a strength difference between the squares to midpoints and the conjunctions.)

I understand Jim, excellent observation and apt symbolism for a broken parental home for a long time in my life.
Jim wrote:

There's another curio - something I still consider experimental and perhaps questionable in Sidereal astrology, but worth noting: Your Novien Moon is at 18°22' Pisces closely opposite your Neptune at 16°01' Virgo (and, more completely, your Mercury-Neptune conjunction). Some of these responses (especially because they rest heavily on empathy for others' suffering) could be Moon-Neptune responses. Your thoughts?

I have no experience with lots of charts with the Novien Moon, but yes, could explain a-lot of suffering I have been around in my life. Also, did a-lot volunteer work with battered women and children which was another major ‘suffering’ scene in my life. Thanks for your input Jim—always interested in your astro observations.