Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun May 07, 2017 7:56 pm
muse9 wrote:Just wondering if anyone had anything to say from a Mars in Virgo point of view. As stated sun, moon and mars are important so i'd like to have some info if anyone had any about this sign in mars. So far i've found it to be strategic, time-saving, likes to organise, analyse and help others practically with their energy. Any more insight? Gathering that Mercury rules Virgo - i'd say it gives it a high-nerve energy that multi-tasks. Just some ideas.
I'd broadly agree. Mars in Virgo is definitely strategic - almost ruthlessly. Bright, penetrating, effective - or, on the other side, actually deceptive and treacherous because of the strategic extremes. You might look at the Sun in Virgo notes for some other ideas. (And, of course, see the exact statistical findings under Mars in Virgo above.)
muse9 wrote:There wasn't any statistical findings (other than high for alcoholics) for this placement thus the question.
Actually, there was. The vocational and character trait results from the Gauquelin data is given. Vocationally, Mars in Virgo was significantly high for
actors, and significantly low for
sports champions. In the character trait catalogue, it was significantly low for the traits "traveller, courageous, powerful."
muse9 wrote:Oh yes i saw this but as this was mainly just saying A a career type and B what it isn't - it wasn't overly insightful psychologically. Just was looking for more - which you've thankfully enlightened me with, with your description above - thanks. One comment though is that i did study acting at university and my mars is in virgo so that's interesting that it matches the observation. Though i'm guessing my neptune exactly on the Midheaven is a big indication why i'm a singer/songwriter.
Yes, other things in the chart can enhance this.
These brief statistics can give significant insights as we find our way through identifying these meanings. I just haven't taken the time, over the years, to vet and write out detailed Mars sign interpretations, though they're arguably as important as Sun and Moon.
Think it through this way: From observation, we know that this placement is especially
strategic. People around them, in fact (even their best admirers), often regard them as
sneaky. (Consider Clinton, whose fans even will chuckle over 'Slick Willy.') My observation is that Mars in Virgo will be strategic, indirect, etc. even when they don't need to be - distrust is surprisingly high. Now, take the statistical finding that these are people who are (to a
statistically significant level) not called "powerful" by folks around them. Simply put, they don't
seem powerful (and, in the aggregate, apparently don't feel powerful.) BTW, I totally disagree about them not being
courageous - I think Mars in Virgo is terribly courageous. But it doesn't take the usual form people think of (physical courage etc.) - I think they are very strong on
moral courage. Nonetheless, to a
statistically significant degree, their biographers, interviewers, etc. did not characterize these people as courageous.
Take the inherently, easy to observe
strategic temperament, take that they don't appear (and often probably don't feel) powerful, see that a path in which they flourish is acting... a picture starts emerging. Add that the only two U.S. Presidents ever to be impeached had this placement - their enemies were strong enough and their friends weak enough etc. From these few facts, we can start to get a
feel of what is going on with Mars in Virgo even if we don't have it all worked out in nice language cross-compared with notebooks and biographies to give a standardizable interpretation paragraph.
This can be done with all of the sign placements.
