Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:31 pm
At 1:11 PM CDT on April 14, 2015 there was a 911 call about an explosion at a rail-car repair and cleaning business in Omaha. The actual coordinates were 41N15'31" and 95W56'15". When fire and rescue got there they found one man lying next to the tanker car he and another man had climbed inside to clean. The ladder they'd used to get inside the car was lying on the ground beside him. He'd likely still been on the ladder when it was blown out of the car by the explosion. Crews couldn't get to the other man for more than 6 hours because of the very flammable and toxic fumes still in the car. They were calling it a recovery attempt after the first few minutes. The man found outside the car died enroute to the hospital.

Capsolar, horoscope, mundoscope and CapQ: nothing.
Cansolar, Neptune 1°44' south of the Dsc ( in mundo ), progressed, Moon 6' from conjunct Uranus and Mars 26' from conjunct the Sun, neither near an angle. This feels right for an explosion of toxic fumes though.
Libsolar, Mars 2°48' west of the IC.

Arisolar
Mc 17 Gem 24
Jupiter 17 Gem 54 (33' from MC in mundo )
Pluto 18 Sag 38 (1°04' from IC in mundo )
Dsc 15 Pis 38
Uranus 15 Pis 18 (2°17 from DSC in mundo )
Mercury 17 Pis 18 (1°55 from DSC in mundo )

Progressed Arisolar
MC 17 Gem 53
Jupiter 18 Gem 01
EPT 20 Vir 11
Mars 21 Vir 18
Pluto 18 Sag 38
Dsc 16 Pis 03
Uranus 18 Pis 18
Mercury 20 Pis 11

Arilunar, Mars 38 N and Moon 58 S of DSC.
Canlunar, Mars 1°31 W of MC, Jupiter 1°21 S of DSC.
Liblunar, nada
Caplunar, Jupiter 1°46 and Venus 2°17 from angles. Kinda wide.

Still can't make head nor tails of Solar Fire's midpoint reports, so there may be more Mars-Neptune than I'm seeing in these charts.

ETA: Arisolar from 2014, not today.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

I'll come back and look more closely, but... you had me at the word Omaha.

In my bullet points on locations where the Arisolar could erupt around the U.S., Omaha was the second place I mentioned. Uranus is 0°01' from IC for standard Omaha coordinates.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

YEAR: CAPSOLAR (Dormant.) Moon-Jupiter sq. 2°01'.

YEAR: CANSOLAR
Neptune on Dsc (1°44')
Moon-Mercury sq. (1°09')

QUARTER: LIBSOLAR
Neptune on Dsc (0°57')
Moon-Saturn sq. (1°12')
-- Moon & Saturn very widely foreground

MONTH: CAPSOLAR
Jupiter on Dsc (1°46')
Venus on Dsc (2°17')
-- Ve/Ju on angles (0°16')
Moon-Mercury sq. (0°22')
Moon-Sun sq. (2°49')
Saturn on MC (6°06')
Mars sq. Asc (2°24')

DAY: CAPSOLAR QUOTIDIAN & TRANSITS
(Nothing.)

DAY: CANSOLAR QUOTIDIAN & TRANSITS
p. Moon conj. t. Uranus (0°31'), conj. s. Uranus (0°05'), sq. t. Pluto (0°52')
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t. Saturn sq. s. Asc (1°01')
t. Venus sq. s. Asc (1°32')
-- Venus-Saturn op. (0°31')

So this happened the day before the new Arisolar, when the Sun was 3°47' east of the MC and Neptune was square Venus by 54'

SteveS wrote:

JSAD wrote:

Still can't make head nor tails of Solar Fire's midpoint reports...

I will try to help.

1: Click on a Highlighted calculated chart in Solar Fire. (This will put you in a ‘View Chart’ Window.

2: Then click on ‘Reports’ in the ‘View Chart’ Window.

3: Then under Reports-Tabulations Box scroll down and you will see 4 Midpoint selections: 1: Midpoint Listing 2: Midpoint Axes 3: Midpoint Trees 4: Midpoint Modes.

My favorite one to use is the ‘Midpoint Trees’ selection, but with my new learning from Jim I am now also using the ‘Midpoint Listing’ scrolling down to Sorted by Angle—Modulus 90 00 whenever I see planets near angles with the mundoscope. More about this Modulus 90 later.

FWIW, this is how I use the ‘Midpoint Trees’ selection taught to me by Robert Hand many, many years ago. When you bring-up the ‘Midpoint Trees’ selection you will notice (d’s) next to some of the midpoint listings. These d’s represents DIRECT midpoints when the midpoint of two planets or a midpoint with planet or angle equals another point being a planet or angle. I pay very close attention to these d’s whenever I see then involving the PERSONAL points of a chart, Moon, Sun and Angles. Robert Hand did intense research with the Uranian School from Germany with midpoints and quickly concluded all Midpoints are not created equally—the midpoints involving our Personal points are by far the most prominent and will manifest destiny tracks with our lives. Since there has been much discussion about Jennifer Anniston’s Natal of late, I will demonstrate with her chart what I consider important involving how I use midpoints with Robert Hand’s teachings.

Natal: 2/11/1969 10:22 PM PST Los Angeles, Ca.

Calculate and highlight Jennifer’s Natal in Solar Fire and go to Midpoint Trees per the above instructions. Note: Jenny has a DIRECT Midpoint of Moon/Asc=Mars. Ebertin writes about the negative ‘Probable Manifestation’ with Moon-Asc combo’s:

"A disharmonious relationship to the mother or wife."

Since Jenny’s midpoint of Moon/Asc=Mars (a DIRECT midpoint), we can see this is a huge BINGO when we note with a close examination of her Bio—she fought with her mother for most of her life, there was much disharmony between her and her mother. I know of no other direct (pun intended) way with astrology for this to be known with Jenny’s life except with the use of direct midpoints with the Personal points of our charts. IMO, the only way to see/understand the value of direct midpoints is with a close study of natal charts and bio’s along with Ebertin’s book ‘A Combination of Planetary Influences,’ which is actually a book about the use of midpoints. More later.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Jupe, for the kind of thing I did above on the ingresses, do the following:

First, a principle: So far as the ingresses are concerned, I don't know that the issue is "midpoints" in other than a purely technical sense. I think it might be a matter of average time at which two planets' shared angularity is most maximum, much like Rob Hand's point that transits tend to peak when the average orbs are most exact. If one planet is, say, 7° on one side of an angle, and another is 7° on the other side, there is a point where the two of them are at maximum shared activity as if in exact, relevant aspect. In SMA there are dozens of examples of this sort of thing.

Midpoints to angles are measured in the framework in which the angularity is measured. For squares to Ascendant (measured in longitude), these midpoints are in longitude. For EP/WP hits that are really RA squares to MC, the midpoint is measured in right ascension. For horizon and meridian, the main points of interest, it's measured in the mundoscope, in PV longitude.

So... for the ingresses, do the mundoscope. Open the mundoscope. Click Reports, pick MidPoint Listing (the first midpoint report), Make sure the Modulus is set at 90°. (I leave mine sitting there unless I need to change it for a particular reason.) This report has two parts, one that is in planet order, and one that is a 90° sort of the midpoints. All you have to do is look at the 0°, 90°, and 45° spots and see if there is a midpoint within 1° involving foreground planets.

For example, do the current Arisolar for Washington, DC. Do the mundoscope. Notice that Pluto, Mercury, and Mars are foreground, with Pluto very close and the others pretty wide. Click Reports | MidPoint Listing, and look at the 0°, 90°, and 45° spots. You'll see the Mercury/Mars midpoint is 88°05', i.e., 1°55' from 90° (that is, 1°55' from the angles). This is too wide to count... but it gave a handy example on the method.

SteveS wrote:FWIW, this is how I use the ‘Midpoint Trees’ selection taught to me by Robert Hand many, many years ago. When you bring-up the ‘Midpoint Trees’ selection you will notice (d’s) next to some of the midpoint listings. These d’s represents DIRECT midpoints when the midpoint of two planets or a midpoint with planet or angle equals another point being a planet or angle.

This is new and helpful information. Thanks.

Jim Eshelman wrote:All you have to do is look at the 0°, 90°, and 45° spots and see if there is a midpoint within 1° involving foreground planets.

This is what I needed. I couldn't find about half of the midpoints I was seeing you use in the list in Solar Fire, and what was making me so frustrated. I didn't know to look at the 45° spot as well as 0° and 90.

Derek PM'd me last night. He explained you can't tell from the midpoints lists there's some kind of aspect, but there's no way to tell if it's an opposition or something like a sesquiquadrate.
He also explained the different options for midpoint reports in Solar Fire, and how to use them. Very helpful.

Thanks, all three of you. I've been working out the examples, and it's all starting to make sense. I'll squeak again if something doesn't make sense, but I have a good start now.

Thanks again.

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:Derek PM'd me last night. He explained you can tell from the midpoints lists there's some kind of aspect, but there's no way to tell if it's an opposition or something like a sesquiquadrate.

The best way I've found, in SF MidPoint Trees, to distinguish the aspects to midpoints is very indirect.

In the MidPoint Trees report, set the modulus to 360. Any MP hits showing up are direct midpoints.

Reset the modulus to 180. Any NEW hits are opposition MPs.

Reset the modulus to 90. Any NEW hits are squares.

Reset the modulus to 45. Any NEW hits are semi-squares or sesquiquadrates. Use visual inspection of the original chart to determine which it is.

For those who are queasy over "modulus," think of it this way: It's like division, but we're interested only in the remainder. Example with Sagittarius 10:00. This is longitude 250.

For mod 360: 250 / 360 = 0 remainder 250. Thus the 360 modulus remains 250.

For mod 180: 250 / 180 = 1 remainder 70. Discard the 1; 250 modulus 180 is 70.

Mod 90: 250 / 90 = 2 remainder 70. Discard the 2; 250 modulus 90 is also 70.

Mod 45: 250 / 45 = 5 remainder 25. Discard the 5; 250 modulus 45 is 25.

-Derek

Jim Eshelman wrote:

The key point on which aspect to midpoints is that in Cosmobiology it doesn't matter.

I generally use a 90° modulus for starters. I can find no functional difference between literal "direct midpoints" - 0°/180° to the midpoint - and the squares to them. In some cases, this is utterly obvious why, e.g., where the square really looks like the direct midpoint (e.g., two planets close to opposition have a midpoint roughly square to both, and a planet right between them in their opposition is actually square the midpoint, but conjunct/opposite the planets involved, etc.). But, in any case, the 90° drop-off seems significant.

But the 45°/135° of midpoints (I'm talking here planet-to-planet, not the angle issue of the current thread) are totally significant. They are valid. But I feel a drop-off of intensity from the others. So, I'll generally look at 90° and then, if I need more information, I'll switch to a 45° modulus.

In the angularity issues of the present thread, the only reason for looking at the 45° area isn't because of semi-squares, but because this is now the "average" angularity is shown for planets on adjacent angles. For example, if one planet is 5° below Asc, and another is 5° east of MC, they are at the peak of their shared (average) angularity, but their midpoint is going to show up as half-way between Asc and MC - so you'll find it at the 45° mark.

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:

Jim Eshelman wrote:The key point on which aspect to midpoints is that in Cosmobiology it doesn't matter.

I made that point to JS@D in my PM to him, but it didn't make it into this general discussion. I did make a comment reading something like there are those of us who like to see what they are. Despite the usage in the Cosmobiology school, I still usually like to see the details of that MP; that's just me.

-Derek

Sorry Derek, I should have just left that out, since you went into detail, and boiling it down to a line wasn't enough to cover it, and I should have made it clear there was much more to what you said.

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:

No prob, JS@D.

-Derek

SteveS wrote:

Out of my respect for partile aspects, when working with direct midpoints, or any type midpoints, I set my orbs to 1 degree in the Midpoint Trees window with SF. This is not to say any midpoint outside a 1 degree orb is not important. I am not sure, but I think the maximum orb allowed by the original Cosmobiologists working with midpoints was 1.5 degrees (1,30 orb).

Thanks Steve.

I used a 1.1° orb. I like to add just that .1 (6' minutes) because its easier for me to feel comfortable I didn't miss anything, but doesn't add 42 extra points I have to mentally discard.

SteveS wrote:

JSAD,
In my experience studying astrology, direct midpoints involving an angle are, by far, the most potent type of midpoint, particularly with planets in the foreground. Jim’s observation with Prime Vertical (pv) midpoints involving angles with a mundoscope resonates strongly with my experiences with direct angular Genethlialogical midpoints. I think Jim’s way of quickly seeing these pv midpoints in SF with the ‘Midpoint Listing’ report, Sorted By Angle-Modulus 90* 00, is a very important computer tool for the Sidereal astrologer when they see planets in the foreground. Jim offers detailed instructions isolating a pv midpoint in the Jean Harlow thread. Although there are other factors to consider, I strongly feel Jim’s type of pv midpoints is a major astrological discovery for me.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Based on recent findings, here are the "bridge" aspects that would have pointed us to the general time of year of an event of this nature at this location.

BRIDGE
CanQ Moon conj. t. Uranus (0°31'), conj. s. Uranus (0°05'), sq. t. Pluto (0°52')
t. Saturn sq. Cansolar Asc (1°01')