sotonye wrote: Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:32 am
I thought Sagittarius had some association with the lungs?
Sagittarius, yes, but not Jupiter.
Why isn't this transferable? My best answer is that it isn't. You can't make that kind of leap, otherwise you will (for example) have Jupiter "ruling" arrows. The body zones are laid out mostly head-to-toe wrapped around the zodiac and don't necessarily have any link to the other sign attributes. (You can argue that Mercury is reasonably related to the feet, but that's about it.)
In fact, the Tropical attribution of body parts to signs makes more sense (Aries = head instead of Libra = head), which would make Mercury related to lungs via Gemini. I can make up a reason why this is so but can't say we know enough about medical astrology to say for sure. (The reason I would make up - that I think is the actual reason if there is a reason - is that medical effects have to do with suppression of a principle or something similar: Just as strong background aspects are more likely to produce health problems than foreground, so does the "suppressed" characteristic of a planet often register as health problems. Were this so, then the Leo-Aquarius axis relationship to heart problems would show most in the un-solar, or suppressed-solar, end of the polarity, Aquarius; similarly, the Gemini-Sagittarius relationship to upper chest region which includes bronchii and lungs would be in the un-Mercury or suppressed Mercury end of the polarity, Sagittarius. Or something like that
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If not, what you’re describing sounds more fitting to what I’ve been experiencing. Almost all of my heart and subsequent breathing problems have been caused by inability to eat certain foods now like dairy or fish, or really anything besides chicken and fruit. I never really considered this an alimentary problem, just a problem with my heart, that it can’t handle what my body is taking in, but I guess more fundamentally it would be and I wish I could just eat what I want to.
"I wish I could just eat what I want" is indeed a healthy expression of Mon in Taurus closely opposite Jupiter across the horizon, both aspected by Venus in Pisces
As for a health issue from it, yes, in the absence of acute background aspects signalling the major health problems, I've seen foreground aspects show as strong themes. There is a lot of "nutrient assimilation" and "hormone balance" stuff in your chart - I keep coming back to hormone balance as the most consistent theme - and with an acutely angular Mercury one always expects allergies (aside from other "nervousness" expressions).
I'm not going to suggest a particular diet, especially because the very things you can't eat are the core of what I think is healthiest for most people. (I eat anything very high fat, with a lot of focus on dairy sources and other foods naturally high in oils and oil-soluble nutrients, but essentially no carbohydrates at all. It has the advantage of being very low on inflammation.) I'm quite convinced that the healthiest diets for almost everyone will not mix carbs and fats very much - either go high carb and negligible fat or high fat and negligible carb, because it is the mixing of the two that causes a lot of problems. (One is usually more tolerant when young.)
In any case, I think finding a nutrition professional you trust getting checked for allergic reactions would be good ideas.
More broadly, apart from the heart issues, I just almost constantly have some random health problem pop up every few days that just makes me really unhappy, and this is also partly why I think it’s a Jupiter problem, my joy and optimism are nonexistent.
Except that's not how Jupiter works (so, of course, you want to flip it upside down because it's retrograde even though a third of people in the world have it retrograde). One could as easily say (and it would match what we know of Jupiter better) that your strong, well-aspected Jupiter gives you a higher expectation that you're going to feel good and happy, so you
feel more acutely the downside of not being that way. (Jupiter and Venus types are best equipped to handle life when things go really well. Someone with Saturn angular would be more to shrug and say, "Yeah, feeling crappy todayk, some ol' same ol'" and go on.
What you are describing, though, is being
generally unhealthy. When a lot of random health things pop up frequently, your whole system is disturbed and out of balance. This could easily be hormonal. It could easily be a diet that keeps having this psychotropic effect. It could be a lot of things. For something that general, what probably works best not to focus on the individual problems so much as generally
getting healthier, with all the boring recommendations like eat well, exercise, work on psychological and practical balance of things in your life, etc.
In fact, for something that much out of balance that your body is
constantly compensating for your condition by producing a new, different imbalance, I'd recommend you find a traditional Chinese medicine practitioner - between acupuncture, herbs, etc., their approach is just to bring the
overall body and psyche balance back. They also have diagnostic methods Western medicine ignores which, however, are unintrusive and, in my experience, lead to restoring balance in a short while.
We would not expect any problems really at all with a Jupiter as strong as mine, being exactly on an angle at 0°20’, exactly opposite a luminary at 0°31’, and closely aspected by Venus at 1°17’, and I don’t think a Jupiter-Pluto conjunction would throw a wrench in this other positive symbolism
Strong Jupiter doesn't mean a gifted life. It means a psyche
best suited to a gifted life. This often brings a lot of success because of the natural bent of the psyche, but it also means that you don't deal with tough stuff very well. (You're not made to be tough. You'd be happiest as a pampered aristocrat, unlike Mars-Saturn types who couldn't tolerate that kind of life very well.) I mentioned the Jupiter-Pluto not so much as an affliction as of a disruption or "agent of the irregular." You seemed to be looking for something that said that your Jupiter doesn't work the same as everybody else's, that something was making it "not operate quite like Jupiter." This is exactly the sort of thing Pluto does, making a planet operate outside normal expectations, as extreme all-or-nothing. One well-known expression is that success and prosperity fluctuate (I suppose one could add "overall happiness" to that). When Pluto transits natal Jupiter, it signals various kinds of shifts and irregularities in one's Jupiter themes. -- Anyway, it was just a thought, mostly my looking for what was already known about your chart that would produce the kind of effects you were generalizing and wanting to attribute to retrogradation.
BTW, if your health problems manifest through foreground rather than background factors, there is absolutely no better expression of the diet and other legitimate Jupiter themed problems than the partile Jupiter-Pluto and close Moon-Pluto mundane aspects.
Something just seems wrong with Jupiter itself, not doing it’s job as the planet of joy and optimism, if I could describe an average week to you you’d probably think I’m the least lucky guy who ever lived, I try not to say anything anymore about it or do anything about it because I’ve given up and hope a lot of the time that my heart just finally stops working
So... in some large consistent ways you see your life as that of "the luckiest guy who ever lived," and in other ways you see your life as the opposite? (Is this in ways other than the obviously frustrating and demoralizing health issues?)