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Mark, a moderator on the Skyscript forum said:

This is from an article on pandemics by the late great French astrologer André Barbault.

Quote:

''Going back to the pandemics and going back to the past century, the four crises of 1918, 1954, 1968 and 1982 are obvious, the two considerable being the first, the famous "Spanish flu" which is said to have claimed 25 million lives, and the last one in which AIDS, which is even more devastating and continues to be deadly. Since then, there has also been a small influenza surge in 2009, against the last lowest cyclical index (2010). We may well be in serious danger of a new pandemic at the 2020-2021 mark, at the lowest peak of the cyclical index of the 21st century, with the quintet of outer planets gathered over a hundred degrees, a conjunction Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto can more specifically, and even specifically, lend itself to the "tissue" of this imbalance. Nevertheless, this configuration can also transfer its core of dissonances to the terrain of geophysical disasters, without ultimately sparing the international affairs scene, Nature and Society being indiscriminately affected.'

Do you know what factors he was using?

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 3266e49a73
has a link to the article in French: http://www.andrebarbault.com/DOC/503.pd ... UsT7sMV4is


He's apparently referring to the "conjunction Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto" . Post was published Mar 29, 2020

Interesting mix, since we've separately seen Saturn-Pluto for epidemics and Jupite-Pluto for managing them.

I just ran a report of all times for 1850 to present that Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto were all within 3↑ of conjunction, opposition, or square each other. Here they are. This appears to be too "tight" a definition.

Oct 4 1851 - Oct 28 1851
Dec 3 1875 - Jan 10 1876
May 24 1931 - Jun 18 1931
Dec 26 1955 - Jan 24 1956
Jun 7 1956 - Jul 5 1956
Jun 23 1965 - Jul 6 1965
Jul 26 2010 - Sep 4 2010
Oct 5 2035 - Nov 7 2035

Jim asked:

Do you know what factors he was using?

Yes for economic trends/world trends—no for how he predicted this 2020 Pandemic. But I am sure it was related to his simple method labeled Barbault's Cyclic Index. Barbault refined this “Index” from the mundane work of Joseph Gouchon. Quoting from the book “Mundane Astrology” by Michael Baigent, Nicholas Campion and Charles Harvey:

Gouchon set out a remarkable discovery. He had found that by calculating the total angular separation between each of the pairs of the five outer planets for March 21 for each year from 1880, and then plotting the results on a graph, the resulting curve showed a striking correspondence with the main periods of international crises and, most impressively, major and sustained 'lows' for the period 1914-18 and 1940-45 (see Fig. 6.1 p 170). page 169.

See this link for Barbault's his future & past Cyclic Index; first graph on left in blue:

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALe ... 24&bih=499

Here's a different list, capturing when Jupiter, Saturn, and Pluto were in the same sign. This also misses, say, the WW I era flu epidemic. It's interesting, though, that it captures the current cycle a year ago when they were all in Sagittarius for a couple o months, then exactly from October of last year util spring of 2021. That's... interesting.

Mar 29 1881 - Aug 18 1882
Sep 11 1980 - Dec 20 1982
Mar 7 2019 - May 9 2019
Oct 17 2019 - Apr 20 2021
Sep 11 2021 - Nov 27 2021

Confirms what we already know with the 2020 and particularly DCs 2021 Capsolar!

Is there a member on this forum who can read French?

SteveS wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:51 pm Is there a member on this forum who can read French?

I used to read it fluently but haven't used it in decades. Today it's very spotty.

Jim wrote:

I used to read it fluently but haven't used it in decades. Today it's very spotty.

There is no telling what we mundane astrologers may be able to learn with more specifics about Barbault's work. But, one thing for sure: Barbault's Cyclic Index is telling us the World is in for some rough times mostly throughout the 2020s.

Since we have 3 Jupiter-Pluto conjunctions dominating 2020, I thought I would quote some words from the book Mundane Astrology in the context of the authors discussing Barbault's Cyclic Index.

Jupiter-Pluto: Barbault relates this 12 year cycle to the growth of international terrorism. (May be looked at with hindsight-- this pandemic terrorizing the world!) As a cycle it ought to relate to the development of plutocratic as well as political power. (No argument from me with what is happening in the Trump Administration). Crawford (financial astrologer) has evidence for its impact on economic cycles--(Bingo). Ebertin relates this combination to the attainment of power of all kinds, be it physical, material, mental or spiritual. (?--unless a consolidation of political power with government with this pandemic). The conjunctions in the past century occurred in 1894, 1918 (Spanish Flu Pandemic), 1931 (Sliding deeper into economic depression), 1943 (WW11), 1955/56 (?), 1968 (Maybe ushering in Nixon with his plutocratic political manipulation), and 1981.

Mundane Astrology book published in 1984.

SteveS wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:27 pm

Jupiter-Pluto: Barbault relates this 12 year cycle to the growth of international terrorism.

This has definitely been true in modern history. It's the first part of my basic Jupiter-Pluto mundane interpretation. It's not about terror per se, and the Ebertin-influenced "political power" or "plutocratic" themes are all down the wrong road (as Ebertin usually is when using the word "power" as a primary Pluto word). Rather: "Challenging beliefs, traditions, values, and the political-cultural systems that sustain them (ideological extremism arises). Political undermining or reversals (leaders attacked, removed; fall of regimes; reversals in political dominance; covert operations)." (etc.)

No wonder that some mundane astrologers attach so much importance to the Cyclic Index! Robert D. Doolaard

More detailed statistical data (Wars) for Barbault Cyclic Index by Doolaard:
http://cyclesresearchinstitute.org/pdf/ ... ofWars.pdf

One of the Forum Members on Skyscript is in the process of translating from French to English Barbault's link article included on the first post in this topic. He says he needs a few days for this process---so I will post a link when he posts the translations.

There may well be serious danger of a new pandemic at the turn of 2020-2021, at the lowest point in the cyclic index of the whole 21st century, with the five slowest planets assembled within a hundred degrees, a conjunction of Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto could more particularly, and more specifically, lend itself to the “fabric” of this imbalance. The fact remains that this configuration could also transfer its core of dissonance to the field of geophysical disaster, without ultimately sparing international business, Nature and Society being indiscriminately affected.

page 7 of 8 June 8th 2011 article by Andre Barbault; French Mundane Astrologer.

Thanks to Paul an Administrator on the Skyscript Forum for translating Barbault June 8 2011 article from French to English provided in Paul's link below containing Barbault's full June 8 2011 article:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cd_ ... ChPPE/edit

Andre Barbault Natal Chart:
https://imgur.com/jR6DpNS

Interesting Natal for a great Mundane Astrologer researcher! Tight Moon-Sun Virgo Conjunction; 4 planet Stellium in Virgo. Exact Venus-Mars conjunction partile 180 Uranus in the immediate foreground near Horizon. I wish I had all his mundane work in English.

Steve, you made the same location mistake I almost made. Solar Fire has Champigneulles, France (48N44, 6E10), but that's not where he was born: It was in Champignelles, which is 47N46, 3E04. This gives MC 20°36' Scorpio, Asc 2°31' Leo, a little different from your posted chart.

There's another small possible variation in the time. His birth certificate stated 5:00 PM, as you've used (and as I use for my file copy). However, his translator, Mark Perry, quotes Barbault for 4:54:21 PM, which I presume is his own rectification.

With that much Virgo, he must have been great <vbg>. Look at his mundoscope for Moon-Sun-Jupiter-Saturn even closer than in the ecliptic, the luminaries 0°02' apart, all four within 1°26'.

Thanks for the corrections in time & location Jim. I posted a new link for his Natal showing the corrections.

Jim wrote:

Look at his mundoscope for Moon-Sun-Jupiter-Saturn even closer than in the ecliptic, the luminaries 0°02' apart, all four within 1°26'.

Truly, the Mundoscope was a great innovation by Cyril Fagan allowing the astrologer to see more of the positional truth of a chart.

Jim wrote:

With that much Virgo, he must have been great <vbg>.

Mercury truly captured his soul for his life long quest for learning his style related to Mundane Astrology.

A link to a good informative article about Barbault (using Tropical Z for his Natal-- but still good article)
https://www.lynnbellastrology.com/artic ... e-barbault

Barbault stated 2020-2021 will be the most malefic times for the entire 21st Century and was quoted in the above link:

He remains optimistic about the new world that will emerge in 2026, when the outer planets are sextile and trine...

I just finished Andre Barbault's book 'Planetary Cycles'-Mundane Astrology, English Edition published 2016; French Edition published in 2014. On page 150-151 Barbault writes:

Coming to the indicators for the 21st century in the top diagram of the interplanetary distances overleaf, we can see that the first low point is in 2010 (Great Recession), which justifies the forecasts of an economic crises perceived two decades earlier. And one can only wonder about the extreme depth of the trough as the wave plunges in 2020-21, the result of the next Jupiter-Saturn-Pluto triptych which will be relatively close to Uranus and Neptune.

It seems that Europe will be at the epicenter of this dissonance, either compelled to reform itself or threatened with division because space is limited. At least, that's if there are no natural disasters or a new pandemic, which would be suitable substitutes. In any case it will be a time of widespread discord.

Of course, now, we see Barbault's worst fear has become a pandemic affecting not just Europe—but the whole World with possible deteriorating dire economic consequences if this pandemic worsens into 2021.

Interesting D, food for thought. DCs Sidereal Solar Ingresses may have something to say/add.

I have Barbault's book but find it excruciating to read through even one page and keep my attention on it. I've struggled through it here and there (not lately - the print is small and I just can't physically look at it at the moment) - but not easily.

Nonetheless, this is quite good stuff. A Virgo who actually gathers data and relies on it as the foundation of conclusions

His conclusions aren't that different from what we've found from research on this site. Here is my standard Jupiter-Uranus interpretation in mundane astrology (mostly biased toward when the two appear in aspect in the foreground of ingresses, but more broadly applying to when they are merely in aspect in space. It puts a slightly different spin on it:

Ideological rebellion (both peaceful and violent). Remapping the larger social contract (liberal social and political agendas demand wider horizons, expanded opportunities, civil liberties, enhanced diversity). Inventiveness, new technology and tech vision, futurism, “good science” that engages popular imagination. Political and thought leaders show more insight, resourcefulness, and ability to understand and manage complexity. At best, collective optimism and anticipation of good change. Shadow expression: the rise and growth of fascism, or radical nationalism. (Common for floods and structural collapses.)

Nonetheless, this is quite good stuff. A Virgo who actually gathers data and relies on it as the foundation of conclusions

And, I may add---solid foundations for their own use in their individual astrological practices.

I've managed to go through the whole book (with skipping details that not necessary for grasping what he wants to say, and otherwise don't interest me).
What he basically says is nothing new, as such, but I haven't seen it presented in a book before and in this way with elaboration on the pertinent historical events and trends, in the flux of time.

A summary from my perspective, not exactly how & what he said:

The big planetary cycles of the outers act as wheels-within-wheels on rotational basis, with each conjunction between two bodies marking a new round in their cycle.

Inside each cycle, there are phases, marked by the aspects (he considers the: semi-sq, sextile, square, trine, sesqui-sq and opposition) that the two involved planets make between their one and another conjunction (it's easy to visualize this by thinking of the Lunar cycle, the slower planet is analogous to the Sun and the faster to the Moon - each aspect is a phase, actually a transition from one phase to another, inside one full cycle of the dynamic inter-relationship of the two).

So, at any given point of time, there are multiple cycles going on, in their different phases.
What marks important period on the world stage are:
--> times of conjunctions of outers;
--> times when there are configurations between them, with more than 2 planets involved; this is very wide, and includes not only when a faster planet conjoins a pair of other slower two in their configuration (like we had a case with Pl, Sa and Ju at this time), but also any aspect that a third faster planet, or a pair, comes to make with this slower configuration (say, for example: there's a Pl-Ur opposition goin on, and Ju-Sa come to be connected to it by an aspect, any aspect, each/both of them), as well as when there are multiple, mutually non-related-by-aspect, configurations of outers simultaneously going on.

The key-points in every cycle are the Conjunctions and the Oppositions; the conjunctions are the primary markers of big turns, and naturally the slowest ones are the widest rhythmical frameworks that we observe.

We can say that each pair of the outers addresses a specific 'facet'/aspect/'functional-realm' of the collective psyche, and their cycle depicts one basic unit of our development in this regard.

... so, to put it in the briefest: they dance, moving around each in own speed, and as they touch (conjunct) or significantly glance at each other (aspect), that's when we need to be spying on them , and especially if there's a party going on with grouping of multiple dancers mutually involved in some touching or stare-exchanging - and, of course, be especially mindful of the times when among the party attendees there are the ones that most rarely have any touching-kissing

Bravo D.

A thing to remember, though: Jupiter-Uranus was the loud theme of the 2017 Capsolar for Washington., It was part of the picture that looked like a new wave of liberal policies. Instead, it was the year of the most aggressive, loud, passionate liberal activism not because Clinton was elected but in reaction to Trump being elected. As a wave of social protest and liberal voice expansion, it doesn't necessarily mean we'll have a liberal government.

But it might

This election is 2020. The President and Senators with new terms starting in 2021, the President lasting till 2025 and the Senators lasting till 2027.
Mitch McConnell is up for re-election this year, and if he wins, he'll be poisoning the well through 2027.

2022 is the next election of Senators and Governors with the new terms starting in 2023 and lasting till 2029. Governors are usually 4 to 8 years.

2024 will be the next election after that of the president and Senators with the new terms starting 2025 and the President lasting till 2029 and the Senators lasting till 2031.

So I think the troubles in the years 2021 and 2022 may have something to do with getting the Old Guard out of the Senate before the government can be entirely fixed. We may be stuck with McConnell as the Majority Leader of the Senate through 2023. He'll be doing his best to be a boat anchor. For instance if Mrs. Ginsberg dies, he'll keep Biden from appointing anyone to replace her till either McConnell or Biden is out of office.

The Russians are working not only to get Trump re-elected but also to to get the Anti-Vaxxers all worked up so fewer people get the COvid-19 vaccine. So there's that too.