I've studied my chart quite a bit, and was hoping to get some career advice based on it. I'm prone to extreme self-criticism and doubt, so I've cycled through a lot of different jobs without a strong sense of where I should be.
Jobs I've had include:
-home painter
-bindery machine operator
-diamond grader
-administrative assistant
-technical writer/editor
-proposal manager
-data analyst
Hobbies I've had include:
-fiction writing
-music
-painting, calligraphy
-costume design
-building musical instruments
I'm wondering if anyone can give me some insights about what sort of career choices make sense based on my chart.
Thanks!
Edit: 12:00noon birth time added
DDonovanKinsolving wrote:A career choice is strongly tied to the 10th house, traditionally, and thus requires a time of birth, as does any personalized astrology reading.
Looking at your list, there already seems to be a natural inclination toward art, writing and working with your hands, all in various permutations of each other. Artistic writing: calligraphy (in a strict practical sense of of putting pen to paper), fiction writing (more expressive). Practical art: home painting, building musical instruments. Artistic art: painting, music. Practical writing: technical writer, proposal manager. Etc.
Absent an astrological analysis, perhaps this sort of categorization can help you sort out your options.
AvshalomBinyamin wrote:Oops! Forgot to include my birth time. Edited to add 12:00noon
I have Sun, Moon, and Pluto in Virgo, in the 10th house
Danica wrote:here's the chart
Jim Eshelman wrote:The rising Neptune (especially in combination with the culminating Saturn) can give the kind of uncertainty you mention - diffusion of sense of direction, etc. The fact that you're a double Spoke (Sun and Moon both in Virgo, as part of a 5-planet Virgo stellium) adds a bit to that.
So, let's see what we can sort out here.
Let's start with FOREGROUND PLANETS. You have Neptune just within a degree of the Ascendant (I'm calculating this mundanely; by ecliptic, it's even closer), Saturn just over 3° from the MC, Jupiter a significantly wider 10° from the MC. The Moon is not quite 9° from the MC on the other side.
To get the general tone, then, I note that the Gauquelin research identified Saturn angularity as corresponding to people who were eminent in scientific, rather than artistic, professions. Physicians, "scientists" across a broad range of disciplines, etc. The key seems to be the precision of mind, comfort with measurability, details (e.g., in record keeping and redundant checking of everything), and, broadly, anything that requires discipline, structure, rote procedure, hard work, persisting years in preparation, deferral of reward, etc. etc. and so forth.
Most of this is consistent with your Virgo emphasis, especially when data and measurement are involved.
Despite this, you also have a very strong Neptune, and a Jupiter that's "in the game." You, therefore, have a significant edge of the artistic temperament. (The Moon goes along with this, too: Moon and Jupiter related to some similar professions, but more the writer / politician / public interaction type of thing, strongly at odds with the Saturn comfortable-in-a-closet stronger trait. So I'd say you have great ability to connect to people when you need to or want to, but prefer to live in the closet <g>, i.e., behind some kind of protective filter.)
I've probably just restated the dilemma all along: Your greatest talents for success are in scientific-temperament and solitary areas (even if that's in the arts), yet you have a strong artistic and people-relating capacity (even if that's employed in the sciences).
Ring any bells? Add to any confusion? Give any clarity? These two broad areas co-exist.
The one area of profession the Gauquelins undertook which has no representation in your chart is that of sports champions. I recommend you don't try to earn a living as a sports champion. <vbg>
Next, let's turn to the LUMINARY CONSTELLATIONS. Virgo Suns have been found to excel as librarians, politicians below the Federal level (more in the "public servant" category), military (more broadly, anything involving strategy and tactics and their execution), and in at least one study of engineers. They aren't strong in the music area overall, having been found significantly infrequently in large studies of singers, composers, and jazz musicians in particular.
The Virgo Moon isn't so helpful a guide, I think. (Certainly it, and the three other Virgo planets, emphasize many of the characteristics of the Virgo Sun.) The main thing I know about Virgo Moon in a career sense is from more casual than formal research: those I know are very high on service orientation (something compatible with the foreground Moon, and not incompatible with the Saturn and Jupiter emphases).
The Venus sign showed as surprisingly important across a large number of statistical studies of career - probably showing what one loves most. The only useful datum for Venus' Leo position in your chart is that it (like other factors above) does not show among successful musicians overall.
The Virgo Midheaven recommends a Mercury-themed vocation overall.
Does this help?
Danica wrote:Av, beside the obvious (stellium, including both Luminaries, in Virgo) you should look for angular Neptune and angular Saturn + to a lesser degree angular Jupiter, to get the picture how these essential Virgo-traits [the Mercurial is strong with you] manifest themselves.
do you like, and have you tried, working with children?
AvshalomBinyamin wrote:Thank you both.
Yes, Jim, that hits the nail on the head. I felt I had a pretty good idea of what my chart meant for me, but really wanted to confirm there wasn't anything I was missing.
My experience has indeed been that I have had the most success trying to add science to my artistic hobbies, art to my scientific jobs, and discipline and detail work to both. And that I need to be let out of the closet briefly every now and then, but get exhausted if I have to be "on" around people all the time.
Danica, I haven't ever really worked with kids. In regular life, I know I'm pretty indifferent to little kids, that I like kids once you can start having intelligent conversations with them, and that I tend to find teenagers and young adults pretty annoying. So, would probably enjoy working with mildly autistic 10 year olds the best.
AvshalomBinyamin wrote:I just wanted to follow up on this thread with a thanks for the great advice.
Since reading this, I've been trying to observe ways I could pivot into a more data analysis oriented career path. I've since been hired by a very cool tech company, doing data analysis and metrics for their online advertising department.
The office environment is simultaneously very mellow/subdued and welcoming of more "artistic temperaments". I've finally found myself in the very unusual position of being engrossed and very interested in my work, and completely comfortable in my environment.
So, a big thanks to our resident astrologers!
Jim Eshelman wrote:Very cool, Av! Great transition.