Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:I know a few Geminis personally. All women, all born within a couple of days either way of the 4th of July.

I have always had trouble seeing them as totally rational, and I agree, they make a decision, then come up with justification for that decision being the right one.

They all own small service businesses. They all have either a partner, or rent space in a larger enterprise (common in the beauty industry.) They're all scientifically oriented, including those who work in the beauty industry. (For instance, you want someone technically- and detail-oriented working in electrolysis or manicures, rather than someone who's esthetically skilled but can't manage an autoclave.) They are their own bosses, but don't like working in a one person environment, and don't like to eat alone.

Not finished, but it's past bed time.

Danica wrote:

Jim Eshelman wrote:they come to a conclusion first, and build the logic leading to it afterwards.

I think this is spot on!

And the paradox is: they themselves do not recognize this process for what it is inside themselves. They focus on logic, and initial intuition is often completely unnoticed or simply disregarded.

I had a Gemini-Sun best friend in elementary school, and I remember how she used to solve mathematical problems (tasks): it was pure intuition, but immediately followed by logic, so she would easily elaborate her solution and make it observable by others (I, on the other hand, was good with intuiting the solution, but often utterly unable to explain how I arrived there - unaspected Mercury - and I always admired her skill with this ). But, I have to add, her natal Mercury is conjunct Mars, and both are opposed by Neptune.

Debbie wrote:With 3 planets in Gemini (Sun-Mercury-Uranus) I can agree with your observations.

Jim Eshelman wrote:the most fundamental characteristic of Gemini as a whole is the social alienation, the being an alien in anything more than superficial society. (It may even be that the tendency to think of Gemini as superficial is that this is the only level at which they feel say around most other people.)

In large groups I remain superficial to avoid drama. I dislike pageantry, sentimentality and over-emotionalism. I prefer to watch at a distance then slowly choose my more intimate contacts, however I can befriend almost anyone on a light level. There is some sensitivity driving the aloofness that most people don't see.
My career was considered out of bounds for women for most of history. My politics are mixed up as I am socially liberal and fiscally conservative so no party appeals to me but I will vote for a rational moderate of either party.

Jim Eshelman wrote:"think large, dream large," find themselves at serious odds with those around them, torn in two (<g>) directions.

Torn is a good word, I am constantly mindful of my obligations while dreaming of far flung regions.

Jim Eshelman wrote:This reinforces the view that Geminis are essentially intuitive, i.e., that they come to a conclusion first, and build the logic leading to it afterwards.

Agreed, but I'm not sure if it is intuition or quick reasoning, easily stripping an idea down to basics and building an opinion from there, but I can justify most of my decisions even when they are whimsical.

I married a sentimental Sag who involves himself in everyone's business and wears his heart on his sleeve occasionally. We are learning from each other.

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:All the Geminis I know are afraid when first meeting people, that they won't be acceptable. Their ideas and opinions stay carefully put away, sometimes forever. Very afraid of being judged lacking, and that would hurt a lot. They aren't sure they're good enough.

All the Geminis I know are so concerned they will be alone they try to adapt to everyone who is willing to spend time with them. It takes them a long time to realize a relationship isn't making them happy, and if they are the ones ending it, it takes forever, and they are easily persuaded to "go out just as friends" or "I bought these tickets months ago" or "let's not spoil the holidays."

Tickets to musical theater, a concert, even in the park, or Karaoke are nearly irresistible to the Geminis I know. Most sing, and most play at least one instrument. They love to go out, and if their partner doesn't, they find a group of co-workers and friends to go out with. If they are home alone, they are on the phone, and texting as well as making calls, often far into the night even when they have to get up in the morning. Once children are mostly grown, most have dumped partners who don't like to go out.

Most of the Geminis I know who are over 45 have had tummy tucks, and many have decimated their retirement savings to do so.

Most whose children are adults have at least one who's moved back into the family home, and brought their partner. The attitude seems to be the children have demonstrated they can handle being on their own, so there's no rush for them to move back out.

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:All the Geminis I know are afraid when first meeting people, that they won't be acceptable. Their ideas and opinions stay carefully put away, sometimes forever. Very afraid of being judged lacking, and that would hurt a lot. They aren't sure they're good enough.

They aren't sure they're good enough.

All the Geminis I know are so concerned they will be alone they try to adapt to everyone who is willing to spend time with them. It takes them a long time to realize a relationship isn't making them happy, and if they are the ones ending it, it takes forever, and they are easily persuaded to "go out just as friends" or "I bought these tickets months ago" or "let's not spoil the holidays."

Most whose children are adults have at least one who's moved back into the family home, and brought their partner. The attitude seems to be the children have demonstrated they can handle being on their own, so there's no rush for them to move back out.

Jupiter Sets At Dawn wrote:I think that's the typical pattern, and children moving out forever is only common in our parents generation and our grandparent's.

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 12:02 pm I'm seriously questioning the commonplace view that Sun in Gemini is essentially rational and driven by piercing reason. I know that I've fed this view, so I'm taking responsibility for questioning it in public.

I think it is better said that they are driven by reasons - and by the mobilization of reason and logic in a normal-healthy expression of the same traits that paranoids use reinforce and defend a particular point of view. This reinforces the view that Geminis are essentially intuitive, i.e., that they come to a conclusion first, and build the logic leading to it afterwards.

The anti-Jupiter (anti-Sagittarius) themes are every bit as strong as I've historically thought, and even stronger. In fact, the Geminis I personally know at this stage of my life have a pretty hard time existing in everybody else's world except in the most workaday sense. "What others expect of them" just doesn't make sense to them - this seems to feed the almost tantrum-like insistence on personal autonomy that I wrote about 35 years ago.

But, as a Virgo, I just can't see them as reasonable - using reason - in the sense of "collecting facts and then using the code of logic to reach a conclusion."

It seems to me that they are more driven by reasons than by reason.

And I really think - more than I gave voice to in the past - that the most fundamental characteristic of Gemini as a whole is the social alienation, the being an alien in anything more than superficial society. (It may even be that the tendency to think of Gemini as superficial is that this is the only level at which they feel say around most other people.)

So... throwing this out there. What do you think, based on first-person experience with Gemini?

This reinforces the view that Geminis are essentially intuitive, i.e., that they come to a conclusion first, and build the logic leading to it afterwards.

Gary wrote: Thu May 11, 2017 12:02 pm Jim: Didn't you once speculate on the old forum that if Pluto were truly exalted in any constellation it would be Gemini?

Cyril Fagan apparently thought that the three outer planets were each exalted in the degree of the zodiac which they occupied at the beginning of the Lunar year 786 B.C. (-785 jul.), the Hypsomatic New Moon.

However, when I do the chart for this event, the supposed value for the outer planets' exaltations turn out to be:

• Uranus, 6°Sagittarius
• Neptune, 16° Aquarius
• Pluto, 2° Cancer. I can't believe Pluto could be exalted in the same constellation as Jupiter.

James Condor wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:35 pm What is the statistical correlation between Mercury and Gemini?

• HYPER-ACUTE NERVOUS SYSTEM, much nervous energy, physically active quick thinkers.
• Speed shows diversely as a theme.
• Keen sense of rhythm, mental and physical quick-ness, physical and psychological agility.
• Versatile talents. Greatest dangers are dispersion, distraction, inattention, thus seeming irresponsible.
• Substance abuse. Alcoholism, smoking, and other substance abuse to manage this acceleration.
• Strongly driven by reason or, rather, by reasons: Marked by their own particular logic, justifications, and explanations (their distinctive modeling of facts).
  • Intuitive. Gets a conclusion first, and then mobilizes facts to substantiate it. Logic used to sustain a point of view rather than acquire one.
  • Truth-driven rather than reason-driven.
• Irreligious and amoral. “Doubting Thomas,” skeptical, thus more “scientific” than “religious.”
• Courageous, including the courage of convictions. Speaks own truth unhesitantly, even defiantly (as if serving as truth’s own warrior).
• Feelings are a “sore point.” Harder to understand or deal with, more likely to break down their internal logic.
• YOUTH. Has the most clear-cut orientation to youthful-ness and embodying a child-like nature.
  • Playful sense of humor helps convey youthfulness.
  • Particularly good at balancing humor and seriousness: No hard line between work and play.
  • Retain sense of youth into advanced age.
• Instinct for free enterprise, trade, “doing business.”
• Good at mechanical and technical things. Many engineers, information scientists, and educators.

Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:23 pm I'm not sure how you would do this. What would you be measuring, exactly?

ScarletDepths wrote: Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:46 pm They all think their very emotional but really they just feel everything on a shallow level.

They cry at people's funerals they don't even know and think it's ok to do so, not realizing that them being "emotional" is just lacking true empathy for other people.