Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

According to her birth certificate, Sen. Kamala Harris was born October 20, 1964, 9:28 PM, Oakland, CA. Here are the highlights of her natal chart. If you think she has looked like a "tough cookie" when you've seen her on TV... well, the chart agrees!

ANGULAR PLANETS
Saturn conjunct Midheaven (4°55')
Needs to be self-reliant, self-sufficient, autonomous, independent. Works hard, industrious. Survival instinct is strong and drives much of the behavior. Hardship likely (especially in youth); struggle for security; life’s demands seem severe (some are beaten down; some gain great strength and endurance). Cautious, emotionally reserved, self-protective, conscientious, methodical, austere (may shut others out emotionally). Beware self-restriction arising from fear.

Sun trine Saturn (0°39')
Effective survivor, works hard, few luxuries; prefers modest accommodations. Authority and other parent-based issues to overcome. Serious; yet good sense of humor. Struggles with self-sufficiency can block progress. More inclined to reaction than action.

Moon sextile Saturn (0°49')
Hardworking, self-driving. Encourages others. Emotionally reserved, private. Resistant to others’ rules and control (passive-aggressive response). Parent issues persist (nourishment-deprivation). Judgmental, intolerant, distrustful. Can be pessimistic, feeling inferior, anxious, depressed.

MOON in ARIES
Autonomous, independent, self-sufficient, competitive. Sentiment yields to practicality; cautious with intimacy. Sexually bold, passionate, pragmatic. Assertive (pushy), efficient, decisive, contrary, opinionated (adamant certainty). Respected, easily takes charge, leads. Business instincts, opportunistic.

SUN in LIBRA
Relationship-centered. Polite, warm, affectionate (possessive, jealous). Enjoys beauty, comfort; often artistic. Appearance-conscious (vain). Tease, swings between gratify vs. deny (self, others). Peace (appeasement). Justice (righting wrongs). Self-sufficient, cautious; effective survivors. Feminine thrives better than masculine. Optimistic futurist (personally, socially).

Moon opposite Sun (0°09')
Energetic, dynamic, terrific drive, forceful. Psychic vitality, a mental-emotional attitude biased toward success. At home with power. Intense desire in whatever they undertake. High vitality (unless the luminaries are afflicted). Sexual desires also particularly strong, passionate, though often narcissistic. Possible vanity, self-exaltation, and obstinacy.

Sun octile Uranus (0°27')
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths, persuaded that they’re a special case. Easily bored. Loves freedom: bows to no outside authority. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Moon octile Uranus (0°36')
Intellectually rebellious, roving, curious, inquiring. Not wholly comfortable with outside guidance. Original, futuristic, needing variety. Free-spirited: psychologically lives outside convention. Subject to tensions, emotional stress.

MARS in CANCER
Inner strength (prodigious imagination and fantasy) usually holds private demons at bay; but clings to old wounds (angry, acting out, selfish, retaliatory from old mistreatment). Breeds confidence, makes things happen. Loyal, speaks truth to power; but wants a chance to lead. Magnetic (passionate following?). Wants adoration sexually (otherwise it’s business-like).

Mars square Jupiter (2°49')
Exalts strength, competition, and conquest with a zest for living. Common for successful competitive athletes; in most others, it shows vitality and enthusiasm for bringing an ever-improving “personal best.” Confidence in their own strength adds impermanence to any defeats. Morally if not physically courageous. Enterprising, resourceful. Sexually ardent, lusty, eager, popular, on the hunt. “Money to burn” (generous or extravagant; rarely holds onto cash for long; seems confident in the stream of resources). Aggressive in their beliefs, evangelical in their lives (irrepressible enthusiasts, missionaries, barnstormers of doctrine or other interests).

MERCURY in LIBRA
Courteous, well-mannered expression. Tactful, gracious, persuasive, pleasant (sarcastic, withholding). Mediator, negotiator, peacemaker, diplomat (idealist). Masters of finding common denominators. Mind has considerable intensity.

VENUS in LEO
“Parents” her friends (= unequal relationships). Self-surrender is hard. Vain, aloof. Bold when romance captures their interest (but many older bachelors). “Shoppers” in romance, testing the ground first. Early sexual mismatches (unhealthy early relationships). Keen sense of morality and dignity. Generous friend.

Venus conjunct Pluto (2°27')
“All or nothing” emotional intensity instinctively rejects arbitrary (moral and other) values on love, sex, art. Usually few intimates, and those of unfiltered intensity. Halfway measures are not enough; in human connection, the feeling is, “go cosmic or go home.” Those expressing the ALL mode seek deep, penetrating connections (sometimes overwhelming intimates, sometimes inadvertently challenging social codes). Those in the NOTHING mode may choose it innocently or withdraw from people in response to repeated rebuke and exclusion. For both, sexual development may come late (adolescent social rituals seem perplexingly arbitrary). Either may experience eruptive trouble in relationships. Either, by their intensity, can be commandingly charismatic.

Venus sextile Neptune (1°04')
Idealistic, idyllic, loves to be enchanted. Usually comfortably happy, gently romantic, passive. Naive about people in romance but reads people easily when not personally involved. Good-hearted, ingratiating, devoted, humanitarian.

OUTER PLANET ASPECTS
Uranus conjunct Pluto (2°12')
Feels unbound by precedent, custom, convention, or authority: willing to ignore, challenge, or forcibly reject them. Open to new ways, wider horizons; yet rarely disruptive without immediate cause. Physically restless, impatient (possibly frustrated, angry). Authenticity and creative self-expression arise best from solitude (vacuum). In youth, often seem directionless; this resolves as they find their center of gravity (especially after age 30).

Neptune sextile Pluto (1°23')
Open to shifting viewpoint, alternative perspectives, variant possibilities: Potential to forge a new worldview and enroll others. Uncertainty feeds desire for certainty, regarding things a certain way and not other.

By my watch, at 10:59 PM Eastern Time August 20, 1010, Kamala Harris accepted the Democratic Party's nomination for Vice President. She was in Wilmington, DE at the time. (I haven't a clue where to examine the event in a mundane sense, but it is clearly a moment of great personal importance.)

It was a severe moment astrologically., showing great conflict. Saturn in Capricorn was 1° from Midheaven, square Mars which had just entered Aries. Uranus was 2° above Ascendant, paran Saturn. More widely foreground, Mars and Pluto formed a mundane square, precise to the minute (0°00').

Some astrologers would attempt to read her chances of victory from this "start" chart. I see it, rather, as the fight she's taken on. It seems to have no particular transit connection to her natal until we check her local angles for Wilmington: Transiting Pluto squares her local MC (0°40').

She is still under the excellent August 9 SLR, which has Jupiter 2°32' below Asc, Uranus 1°21' before IC, and Jupiter-Uranus in 1°10' mundane square.

Quotidians marked the moment: Her SNQ MC 22°28' Pisces squared transiting Jupiter (-0°49'). Similarly, her SQ Descendant 22°24' Sagittarius conjoined transiting Jupiter (-0°53'). Her PSSR brought Neptune (Dsc) into play but also had natal Pluto conjunct Ascendant.

More specifically, her PSSR Ascendant was 25°26' Leo by Apparent rate opposite transiting Neptune 0°18'. By Mean rate it was 21°12', 0°04' from opposite solar Neptune and 0°00' from conjunct natal Pluto. This seems a distinctive event to study for the often obscure Neptune transits to natal Pluto. (This also is one more example, of the many accumulated, that the PSSR does work and is best calculated by mean solar argument not apparent solar.)

21°12' Leo - PSSR Asc
21°12' Leo - r Pluto
21°16' Aqu - s Neptune

Please help me keep track of where Sen. Harris is tomorrow at 8:59 AM EDT. It's her solar return - we don't want to miss the location.

Florida today, Asheville NC tomorrow, unless she's got that wrong because it's supposed to be Wednesday.

https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status ... gr%5Etweet

Where ever she may be at the actual time, it will be on the East Coast. I think Asheville is most likely, unless the rally or whatever really is Wednesday, and then I think she'll be at home in DC.

Harris' last campaign stop yesterday (late afternoon) was in Jacksonville, FL. Today, I can only find that she had a virtual rally with the Wisconsin party to kick off their early voting - but I can't tell from any news or literature where she was this morning.

I doubt she stayed in Jacksonville, but it's the last stop I have. Her SSR is completely undistinguished for there (natal Saturn barely foreground - that's it). I'll try to find more later.

I think she spent the morning, if not the day, at home in Washington. There is nothing about a rally, speech, or anything happening "now" for anywhere. That meeting with NBA players was pre-recorded for somebody's pod cast.
Maybe it'll come out in the next few days.

The most-angular planets in Washington are natal Mars, Saturn, and Neptune - not a great chart.

Oh, but the single closest is natal Jupiter almost partile square MC.

Transiting Mercury-Uranus are widely foreground. Moon does northing.

I'll wait a while before working it up in full.

I keep encountering new indications that are easiest to interpret as Biden's death in office. In the 2021 and 2022 forecasts, every few months we find another wave of mundane or personal charts where the easiest (though not necessarily the correct) way to interpret them is his death. (This aside from the fact that the 2021 and 2022 year charts, by themselves, both suggest this. Of course, he can't die in office several times in the next year so some of these have to be wrong.)

In any case... looking at Harris' chart relocated to Washington suggests that something basic to her time living in Washington will be experiencing and managing great grief and loss. By moving to Washington, she acquired a mundane Saturn-Neptune square exact to the minute (0°00'). As a refinement, the Saturn and Neptune in the mundoscope are within 1° of her Venus/Ascendant midpoint. (To sort that out in your mind, think of it as not too different from a 0°00' Saturn-Neptune aspect transiting her Venus.)

In my recent discussion discussion of mundane aspects in the natal chart (including relocated), I raised the "maybe" possibility that house placements of such close aspects are important. In that case, the Saturn-Neptune square connects her 7th and 4th houses, which seems more personal - her marriage and home, not her professional associations. But the importance of houses is highly speculative, far from certain... and, even if valid here, we have to consider the broader sense of "relationship" and that she and Biden have spoken of their relationship as family.

Regarding the role of Libra in unfurling women's power: Both Hillary Clinton (the first woman nominated as president) and Kamala Harris (the first woman nominated and elected vice president) have Sun in Libra.

Geraldine Ferraro, the first woman nominated as vice president, was born August 26,1935. She didn't have a Libra luminary but - next best thing - has Mars in Libra exactly conjunct Jupiter.

Very intriguing about woman at work and Libra.

Harris completed the oath of office for Vice President yesterday at 11:42 AM, almost to the second. (Various observers reported different times all within a few seconds of each other.) This is the most volatile chart of the morning, since the Moon-Mars-Uranus mundane conjunction is almost exactly angular: Transiting Uranus, for example, is only 0°12' above Ascendant.

But, what about her natal planets? I'd like to put those into the chart for this moment as I did for Biden. Like Biden, she took the oath as her Moon rose in the east, though not quite as close as his: It was 1°07' above Asc when the oath was finished. (Transiting Jupiter squared Ascendant 0°28', something that won't be evident in the mundoscope positions below.)

Here are foreground transiting and natal planet mundoscope positions for that moment. Look at the incredible personalization of the moment with transiting Moon conjunct natal Moon within 0°01' mundanely! (They were also in partile conjunction ecliptically.)

25°12' (6th) - r Sun
27°20' (6th) - r Mercury
28°18' (12th) - t Mars
28°52' (12th) - t Moon
28°53' (12th) - r Moon
29°48' (12th) - t Uranus
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6°13' (10th) - t Pluto
7°10' (7th) - r Neptune

Does anyone know whether the vice president was in Washington today (10/21) at 3:11 PM EDT? Or was she campaigning in Virginia, or...?

According to https://factba.se/biden/calendar,
"12:40 PM
Official Schedule

The President and The Vice President deliver remarks at the 10th Anniversary celebration of the dedication of the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial (12:42 PM) [Original Schedule: 11:55 AM]"

There ought to be something similar to Biden's schedule on the White House Press office site. I haven't found it yet, but I'm still looking.

If Kamala Harris were president, how would her natal sign placements stand up against those of her predecessors?

Sun in Libra
The list isn't large and is of mixed quality. It's complicated because we're used to seeing different character patterns of Libra men and Libra women. Here are the former Libran presidents:

John Adams
James K. Polk
Theodore Roosevelt
Warren G. Harding

Moon in Aries
This is a much more consistently able and impressive list (though the number that survived their terms intact is not pleasing; and Harding is the one name thus far on both lists):

Zachary Taylor
James A. Garfield
Warren G. Harding
Ronald Reagan
Bill Clinton
Joseph Biden

Mars in Cancer
This has the largest number of presidents of any Mars sign, and a serious knack for executive leadership. It's a remarkable list overall!

Thomas Jefferson
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
Franklin Pierce
Grover Cleveland
William Howard Taft
Herbert Hoover
Harry S Truman

NEEDS HIERARCHY
100% - Moon Sun
99% - Mercury
94% - Saturn
90% - Venus Pluto
68% - Uranus
43% - Mars
22% - Jupiter
7% - Neptune

Today (7/21/24) at 1:45 PM EDT in Rehoboth Beach, Delaware, Joe Biden withdrew from the presidential raced and endorsed Vice President Harris. I don't know for sure where she was, but I think she was in Washington: A trip to Milwaukee tomorrow is called her first campaign stop since the announcement, so I suspect she was not on the road Sunday afternoon.

Starting with transits for the time of the announcement, her main transit is Saturn opposite natal Venus 0°18'. That's very strange - it's a transit which dominates much of the rest of the year for her and has had me thinking she has a significant personal loss to experience (which could be Biden's passing). This could also be gearing up for the admittedly heavy sacrifice anyone makes who takes this on. Mars has just cleared the square to her Saturn (unless it's on return chart angles): I have no idea what her last few days were like with her Saturn square Biden's Sun-Venus being aspected by transiting Mars.

Looking at the broader patterns, her solar arc Saturn is 55' separating from square her Sun, about the leave orb for good (and probably already faded). Directed Ascendant is square her Jupiter, though (if her birth time is exact) this peaked last year and only has another five months to go. The Venus-Saturn she has by transit matches the progressed Venus-Saturn square - 0°31' separating - so there is something going on that we may not know about.

I don't know where she was on her last birthday. For any location, her SSR has a Sun-Moon square (near Pluto) to match her natal Sun-Moon opposition. If in Washington, her SSR has transiting Venus most angular (Saturn next) and natal Pluto and Uranus most angular; but I don't know if she was there.

I don't know where she was for her recent lunars, but I suspect she was in DC today. Her July 14 demi-lunar has transiting Mercury and Pluto most angular, though Venus-Pluto is probably the most important aspect. (Again, indications of disrupted, interrupted, severed relationships.)

IF Harris is at her residence in DC on her 2024 SSR (Monday-8:24 AM Oct 21 SF; Sunday his her actual b-day), I think with very high % she wins Prez!!!

SteveS wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:26 pm IF Harris is at her residence in DC on her 2024 SSR (Monday-8:24 AM Oct 21 SF; Sunday his her actual b-day), I think with very high % she wins Prez!!!

Yes. I've been saying this for a while.

You have the time a little wrong, though. Her SSR is 9:40 AM on Monday, October 21. She needs to be in Washington the morning after her birthday. That close to the election, there is a definite risk that she'll head back out onto the road.

If she is in DC, there are clear winning indicators. There are also indications of profound sadness and sense of emotional loss. It's possible that pro-win and pro-loss indicators both exist and we have yet to see how they balance out. Or, it's possible the deep sadness and loss is because someone close to her is hurt, dies, or is alienated from her. (She has a stream of Venus-Saturn and Venus-Pluto indicators the rest of the year with some Venus-Uranus thrown in.) But the best shot is for her to stay in DC that morning.

I'm holding off predicting the election until the nomination is in and, also, we know who else is on the ticket.

I wish I knew for sure what the tragedy-laced Venus afflictions are. (But then, we all wish we knew that here and there through life.)

I wish I knew for sure what the tragedy-laced Venus afflictions are. (But then, we all wish we knew that here and there through life.)

If I had to guess--it will have something to do with her Prez/Biden. He may have to resign his office or dies before his term is up, just speculaing here.

SteveS wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:52 pm If I had to guess--it will have something to do with her Prez/Biden. He may have to resign his office or dies before his term is up, just speculaing here.

Yes, that's the easiest guess; but I admit I don't know.

The solar, of course, has all year to work out. It might be the same effect if he dies next summer, for instance. But this year she has a progressed Venus-Saturn square that won't last that long, and it seems to compound all the close Venus afflictions by transit and in her return charts now.

Only TIME knows for sure Jim, which is far superior to us humans.

I hope we the people actually know. I'm anxious to see how much of a turf Trump is, and if the Democratic party can use this Biden step-down to rally a united party as well. If I were her and the left is left field, I'd try some one like a more experienced and known household named politician. Or even with someone like N. Hayley or even C. Rice to pull moderates, though I don't see an all female ticket tbh.

It seems overwhelmingly likely that the VP will be a young-ish, white, moderate-seeming male, for basically the same reasons that Obama picked Biden in the first place (although in that case, Obama was the young one balancing his youth against Biden's experience).

The short list that I've seen includes Pete Buttigieg as a strong debater and youthful face, Mark Kelly as what amounts to a nigh-untouchable American hero (and whose wife was the target of political violence previously), Josh Shapiro as a play to win PA (besides his other virtues as a strong and likable personality), and Andy Beshear, a blue governor in deep-red Kentucky who seems to be able to win over conservatives.
I personally think Kelly or Shapiro are overwhelmingly likely to be chosen. Kamala really, really needs a strong showing in the swing states, and going all-in on them with her VP choice seems the best strategic play.

Soft Alpaca wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 5:23 pm ...Or even with someone like N. Hayley or even C. Rice to pull moderates, though I don't see an all female ticket tbh.

It would be really interesting to see this, but Nikki Hayley already endorsed Trump (which some of her more prominent supporters have already been grossed out by).

Mike V wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 6:21 pm The short list that I've seen includes Pete Buttigieg as a strong debater and youthful face, Mark Kelly as what amounts to a nigh-untouchable American hero (and whose wife was the target of political violence previously), Josh Shapiro as a play to win PA (besides his other virtues as a strong and likable personality), and Andy Beshear, a blue governor in deep-red Kentucky who seems to be able to win over conservatives.
I personally think Kelly or Shapiro are overwhelmingly likely to be chosen. Kamala really, really needs a strong showing in the swing states, and going all-in on them with her VP choice seems the best strategic play.

I'd love Pete, of course - personal first choice - but the ticket I feel must have only one "diversity candidate." Getting a woman (any woman!) elected is a hard push in this country even now (Trump may make it possible) but anything other than a white straight male who is at least nominally Christian is probably unlikely.

Mark Kelly is a Senator from a state with a Democratic governor, so that keeps him in the running (she would appoint his replacement, I think). But I think he's deemed too far left for a national election.

I see Andy Beshear as the best shot, both for political reasons and because he knows and worked well with Kamala in the past - and because their charts work well together and his chart is pretty wonderful for both election day and inauguration day.

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 6:02 pm

SteveS wrote: Sun Jul 21, 2024 5:52 pm If I had to guess--it will have something to do with her Prez/Biden. He may have to resign his office or dies before his term is up, just speculaing here.

Yes, that's the easiest guess; but I admit I don't know.

The solar, of course, has all year to work out. It might be the same effect if he dies next summer, for instance. But this year she has a progressed Venus-Saturn square that won't last that long, and it seems to compound all the close Venus afflictions by transit and in her return charts now.

It's taken me a few days to feel out President Biden telling us he wont run. I was sad for him, and for us as a country. He seems like such a nice person at heart. I hope he gets to relax for a while and play with his family.
But now that the reality of the situation has settled in me I am feeling very excited, amazed and proud of my country for showing such beautiful growth as a culture. We have come so far in such a short time.
I have a Venus Saturn aspect in my natal, and traditionally that has been seen and portrayed as an afflicted Venus with many sad, hard modifiers used to delineate it. and you all know I say hogwash to that, while it may seem and look that I have bad romance, heart ache and hard relationships, what it feels like to me is that I have a loyalty and devotion in my love, with what and whom I love, and this devotion is akin to a pledge or oath or vow in a weird way.
I think maybe this aspect in VP Harris is showing her deep devotion to her country and all its citizens and that this transit is possibly more of renewal of her oath of office and continuing commitment as a civil servent.

Per Jim,

I see Andy Beshear as the best shot, both for political reasons and because he knows and worked well with Kamala in the past - and because their charts work well together and his chart is pretty wonderful for both election day and inauguration day.

If Kamala does not choose Beshear I would be surprised and disappointed! Their charts set to Inauguration Day as well as their extraordinary connection shows immense team chemistry!

After looking at their charts together for inauguration day I can stop thinking that Trump will get elected! What an amazing turn of the tide for this country(USA)! What a Full Moon(07/21) for Kamala Harris! WOW!

Profit wrote: Tue Jul 23, 2024 11:14 pm After looking at their charts together for inauguration day I can stop thinking that Trump will get elected!

Make sure you still vote

Remember Kamala got money from Trump. The old conservative senator for Lousiana used to be a Democrat. Liberal is a Republican word, traditionally the Liberal Republican party was the racist party (really by opposing government regulations regarding groups like the kkk). Also Ironicly sharing views with many conservative or just fellow Republicans of today. Conservatives were from the democratic republic party, (conservative some of who also oppose this same level government regulations, but only bother to oppose anything that doesn't directly effect them. Idk like the end of slavery. ) Pro-life was to describe the disagreement with the death penalty, not against reproductive rights. The Republican parties libertarian roots were born in California, before they were with my old cousin Abe.

Burning books is wrong and dumb. Banning guns is ineffective (Reagan. England's Knife and Cross Bow/Catapult Crisis). So are banning medical procedures (ineffective as they breed black market medicine).Races aren't just oppressed by "races". It's all individuals who codify themselves or are codified into diffrent groups, then they (war racketeers) do whatever they can to divide you, to keep up the fight, to make more money likely funding and or abusing both sides. (The US weapons being used both both sides in Isreal and Ukraine, China's skin pigmentation birth cast system, inbreeding in europe monarchy and noble families, etc.). If you are different in anyway, they can point out, they react with fear guised as panic, hate, or some holy powers bestowed from whoever's heaven.

Long story short, there is a fancy dinner that you, I, and the "normal" folk, don't attend evey year. We aren't invited. Just saying they are all playing all sides at all times, because no longer are they public servants, but individuals each with their own agendas. Term limits need to stay in place and honestly be expanded as well btw. No monarchy for me, also the best way to make new polices, is force term limits, diversity in thoughts and in his cabinet is what lead Linclon to his victories. It seems we tend to think conflicts are always two sided. However they have 4 sides. Us, them, you, and I.

IMO, K Harris Natal Chart with standard delineated methodology does not explain her slow growth to fame and power in the Political Arena. But when we consider her potential parans at her birthplace (Oakland), we can clearly see the sharp distinct angular symbolism for her rise to fame and power with potential Parans, maybe soon to be Prez of the US. Go to this link at the 20:50 minute mark for a superb explanation by Kenneth Bowser for the possible power of our Potential Parans using K Harris Natal Chart as an example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaoIxIyF3ao&t=1055s

Here is Ken Bowser’s astrological analysis for K Harris becoming Prez. He sees a huge contradiction between her Standard SSR vs her Converse SSR for DC, along with lots of other astrological details.

https://www.westernsiderealastrology.co ... 24election

We could all talk about her and "growth". Its just the Irony is that she has had a few kinds, some legal, some that should be NSFW but were not, and almost none political. Until now or of late, that is correct. Its a generational thing, we would have to be able to deduce my generation (Z) down to a chart and see how they connect to her. Many of us are honestly devising but use the same concepts and devising methods to separate.

To clarify I didn't and will not trust any political birth data in a whole hearted manor. As someone who has seen what poverty and the leagal underbelly can do, its very easy to fake birth certificates, ss numbers, the whole 9 yards. Not trying to deduce anyone themselves as liars, but parents in particular are known to do anything to protect their kids. I don't tust trump, her, and vance, or biden. Vance is a hypocrite and no longer a true hillbilly either, hillbillies don't take back post medical procedure cookies.

Kamala needs to connect with her parents to win. Idk about this election either. However for me it is her over Newsome any day.

Soft Alpaca wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:34 pm To clarify I didn't and will not trust any political birth data in a whole hearted manor.

Well, you're entitled to your viewpoints - but a Libra Sun, Aries Moon, with foreground Saturn and partile Sun-Moon-Saturn just screams "powerhouse prosecutor" to me. I would have a hard time finding a better fake birth date and time that can beat what we see in her chart.
Plus, hardly anyone out here in the US knows about sidereal astrology - even if they tried to fake it, they would certainly fake a tropical chart.

And finally - if the predictive techniques are accurate, then they're accurate. So far... they're accurate.

Here is another “outstanding incident” aspect which could be a very strong indicator K Harris is the next Prez. It is seen in her secondary progressed chart for Election Day:
s.p Mercury 00,51 Sag
r Node 00,15 Gem
r ASC 00,10 Gem
This calculates a Me-Node-ASC combo which Ebertin says from COSI:

Common or joint plans. Tendency to form associations for the pursuit of joint interest. Conferences and discussions.

A new Prez has to appoint a new cabinet, staff, etc.

Agreed it's an interesting aspect. However, since it applies for a couple of years, it could be applying to the accelerated involvement she has right now.

Arguing against myself, Mercury is retrograde so this is still a building, applying aspect that peaks next May, which would make it a rising trend.

Arguing against myself again, this presumes her birthtime is precisely right. The solar arcs for her VP inauguration suggest this may be so. Other indications have suggested her birth time is a minute or two earlier. If THAT'S true, (1) this Mercury progression is not in orb but (2) she has a Solar Arc Asc-Jupiter contact for the election. (For this birth time, that aspect is past.).)

Unfortunately, we haven't aggressively vetted her birth time.

I understand Jim, thanks.

Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 6:15 am Unfortunately, we haven't aggressively vetted her birth time

Another Hillary Clinton situation

Different in that we have a birth certificate. It's good within a minute or two, but we haven't tested thst minute or two.

With Hillary there was no available birth record and, when we got 9je, it was significantly different from any of the other information we had during the election.

Since Steve is discussing Harris' stellar parans in another thread, I thought I'd list her planet-planet parans (one form of aspect) here to distinguish them. Parans themselves do seem to distinguish various locations pretty well, so we need to contrast them for her birthplace in Oakland (which is also near where she first entered public office in San Francisco and Sacramento) and then separately for Washington.

Except - astonishingly (odds are against it) - she has no natal parans within 1° for birthplace! Though I'm not as sure that these are valid out to 2°, for comparison to Washington here are all Harris' birthplace potential parans within 2°:

Moon-Sun op 1°24' (MC-IC)
Jupiter-Saturn sq 1°33' (MC-Dsc)
Moon-Mercury op 1°50' (Asc-Dsc)
Uranus-Pluto co 1°57' (Asc)

Even if we give these full value, they don't add anything useful. We already know from ecliptical and standard mundane aspects that she has a Moon-Sun op 0°09', Moon-Mercury op 0°43', Uranus-Pluto co 2°12', and Jupiter-Saturn sq 4°27'. Perhaps tightening the Jupiter-Saturn aspect is relevant, but it already exists in the natal so one can't actually tell whether anything new is added. - Nonetheless, this gives us a basis for comparison to parans in Washington.

Except - once Harris moved to Washington, DC, she still had no potential parans within 1°00'! This is a very rare condition (though Washington and Oakland are at similar latitudes, so we wouldn't expect MUCH difference). While it is tempting to say, "Well, so much for this kind of aspect!" the more constrained conclusion is that, in this one chart, they simply had nothing to say. Again, for comparison purposes, here are the parans within 2° orbs. (I don't endorse this orb, I'm just using it to display how planets are disposing themselves in DC in contrast to Oakland.)

Moon-Sun op 1°24' (MC-IC)
Jupiter-Saturn sq 1°59' (MC-Dsc)

There are fewer. Some have moved out of even the 2° orb.

This has nothing at all to do with fixed star parans - a different topic, a different theory. (Harris has some significant-looking fixed star parans.) It's simply using this chart as a case study in using parans as another form of natal aspect between planets. In turns out that it doesn't have anything specific to add.

While I'm at it, I should do the same for her natal mundane (mundoscope) aspects. Here they are for birthplace, using the standard orbs within which they've shown themselves operative:

For birthplace:

Moon-Mercury op 0°43'
Sun-Mercury co 2°36'
Moon-Sun op 3°19'

These add nothing since these aspects all exist ecliptically, except that Moon-Mercury and Sun-Mercury are a little closer than ecliptically.

For Washington it adds two more, one of which is dire:

Saturn-Neptune sq 0°01'
Uranus-Pluto co 1°50'
Moon-Mercury 1°51'
Moon-Sun 1°59'
Sun-Mercury 3°50'

Thanks for this Jim.

Tuesday evening when transiting Venus and the near-stationary Mercury are conjoined straddling Kamala Harris' IC, Moon squares Jupiter in space, and the vice president is inspired to make a very happy announcement, who else has great transits going?

(Whoever it is, Trump has no interesting partile transits except the ongoing, longer-term ones like Saturn square his Uranus and Uranus square his Mars. For Vance, though, remember that ongoing transiting Neptune square to natal Neptune? It reaches 0°00' orb.)

We're at a disadvantage with no birth times for any of the most likely. (We have Beshear's time, but his name seems to have gotten dropped out of the mix over the last week, though Sun squares his Uranus that night and, oh his Ascendant is the same degree as Kamala's IC meaning he also gets the Mercury-Venus transit to an angle. The same degree taps Pete's Moon if the PM birth time is correct. Either of those would be quite the surprise.) [I'm holding out for Pete as Secretary of State.]

Shapiro, as best we can tell without a birth time, has no transits except a fairly exact Neptune square to his Sun (and starting the onramp to his Neptune). Not a good sign for elevated dignity and rank or for being strategically and practically effective over the next couple of months.

Kelly - also no birth time - has that same degree of Kamala's IC active: The Mercury-Venus conjunction is opposite his Sun. It looks like a happy day when somebody gives him a great present to open

Walz has a Venus-Saturn square at the degree of that transiting Mercury-Venus. This isn't auspicious. It's compounded because Venus-Saturn is pretty much the defining energy for Kamala right now (Saturn transiting her Venus all summer and Venus on her Saturn right now - among other things coming over the last two months). I suspect Kamala's multiple Venus-Saturn, Venus-Pluto, and Venus-Uranus indications involve details about Biden that haven't been made public. Nonetheless, while Walz picks up the biggest theme going on in Harris' pattern at the moment, I have to read Mercury-Venus to natal Venus-Saturn as "bitter-sweet news." [Maybe we have a new Secretary of Education in the making.]

So... under the serious disadvantage of no birth times and presuming that the three the media has narrowed to based on inside leaks is a correct list... Mark Kelly is most primed to get the best news Tuesday night (wherever he is and whatever he is doing).

Just to show off the line-up - how much the vice president is truly connected to this list of men at this point in time - here are relevant longitudes using 8 PM EDT as an estimated time, birth certificate times for Harris and Beshear, the PM time for Buttigieg, and local noon positions for the Shapiro, Kelly, and Walz (except, there's nothing to show for Shapiro):

7°09' Aqu - Walz Saturn
7°15' Leo - T VENUS
7°44' Aqu - Kelly Sun
8°04' Leo - T ME/VE
8°04' Sco - Buttigieg Moon
8°10' Aqu - Harris MC
8°25' Tau - Walz Venus
8°47' Leo - Beshear Asc
8°53' Leo - T MERCURY

Dang, this plays like a beauty pageant with the five finalists lining the stage! <g>


PS - If Shapiro gets it, I think we know with considerable confidence that he has a natal angle at 8° Hub!

I've just heard some things that I haven't been able to fact check:

1. Beshear is still in the running (even though I haven't seen him mentioned in a news projection for several days).

2. The UAW president endorsed Beshear this morning!

3. Kelly [who has a progressed Sun-Jupiter conjunction this year] dropped out of the running.

What about Tim Walz? I can't see Harris running with someone stepped in Jewish culture as she is trying to appeal to the other state in the situation?

Soft Alpaca wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 12:20 am What about Tim Walz? I can't see Harris running with someone stepped in Jewish culture as she is trying to appeal to the other state in the situation?

Leaked rumors are that it probably will be Walz. We'll see for sure tonight.

I mentioned him above. Without a birth time, I suggested above his mood tonight would be "bitter-sweet" with Mercury-Venus to natal Venus-Saturn. Our astrological concern now is to try to get a birth time for him ASAP.

There are multiple announcements for his birth with about half saying April 5th... perhaps the the he was born around midnight? Just a thought.

Here are some clippings, I think you should be able to see the links:

https://www.newspapers.com/article/west ... 152757464/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/west ... 152757494/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/butt ... 152757535/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 152757630/
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the- ... 152757630/

Idk Jim, sounds like my nose was on the money once again. She choose Walz today. The antisemitic undercurrents in both parties means one candidate has to be less pro Isreal than the other to wedge far right and far left votes, and it could be Kamala over Trump (who I see doubling down not backing off of support for Isreal).

Side note on the intricacies of my opinions on WW3.
I believe in a united Judea with two separate states, one which is headed off by Saudi Arabia- but local officals and representatives(until they could stand firm on their own perhaps) the other Isreal and the west, and a mutual reestablishment of both the hassiassin and the older (think pre-shniobi era) sicarii (*who commited what we now call sepkuku before it was popular in Japan) into a kinda a joint mossad (remember SA scrambled jets for the area agaisnt extremists) , and both double down on preservation of the levant cultures (perhaps drawing Egypt and maybe even Jordan/Lebanon to spark more realations with the west in Europe, both could offer each other huge quality of life improvements with sharing fuel and heating/cooling/ or even energy deals). (Ukraine and Taiwan are kinda going to have to go through similar efforts with forging uneasy alliances with maybe not adversaries but definitely states with "other goals", to protect themselves from the greater evil of colonialism and large government censorship).

alinda wrote: Tue Aug 06, 2024 8:19 am There are multiple announcements for his birth with about half saying April 5th... perhaps the the he was born around midnight? Just a thought.

Interesting thought. Yes, we'd seen two other clips this morning, one for the right day and one for the wrong day. Your longer list is quite interesting in comparison.

Two pairs of these are duplicates. I suspect what happened is that one West Point paper got the date wrong and then there was some copying b others (one paper carries the story as reported by another). It has been suggested that someone - perhaps local? - contact Memorial Hospital to see if records are available. One could also write the Governors' office. (Ken and Colleen live in Minnesota. Maybe they can call their governor's office.)

Running almost a dozen events for Walz's life, I repeatedly see natal or directed / progressed Moon needing to be about one degree earlier. A chart for 10 AM then produces angles and, most of the time, are dead on target for major events. We MIGHT be looking at a 10 AM birth. This makes him primarily an angular Uranus person.

After coming to this conclusion I discovered another obvious one I'd missed: Right now, today, this time would put progressed Moon within 1° of conjunct natal Sun.

Useful rectification dates for Tim Walz that I previously had only to the year:

Father died 1/20/84, in or near Butte, NE.
Brother Craig died 6/19/2016 in Minnesota.

Kamala Harris accepted her party's nomination August 22, 2024, at 9:44:20 PM CDT (per an atomic clock) at The United Center in Chicago, 41N52'50" 87W40'27".

Moon was 0°09' from EP-a. (and the crowd went wild, of course). The closest aspect was Venus square Mars 0°01'. Ascendant 1°27' Aries was aligned with Kamala Harris' natal Sun-Moon opposition within about 2°.

It was an unusually powerful moment for fixed stars. By now, I'm pretty sure these don't work ecliptically at all, but they do seem to make a stronger showing by paran. For this specific chart:

• Fomalhaut (one of the four Royal Stars of the Persians) was 0°04' from Ascendant.
• Moon rise in paran-conjunction with both Hamal -31' and Sheratan +21', the two warrior stars of Aries (with Zosma setting and Vega on MC).
• Sun conjoined Regulus within a few minutes ecliptically. Because Regulus is almost exactly on the ecliptic, his means that its paran-conjunctions go along with its ecliptical ones. In this case, Sun rose within 39' of Regulus, set within 20' of Regulus, and crossed MC and IC within 8' of Regulus.
• Jupiter and Saturn (which were in 40' square) have entwined connections to Algol. I'm not quite sure what these mean. Jupiter sets within 23' of Algol. Saturn rises within 39' of Algol. This is mathematically remarkable btw since Algol ecliptically is at 1°25' Taurus while Jupiter and Saturn are at 23° Taurus-Aquarius respectively: Their exact square just happens to be positioned so that both of them make exact horizon-parans with Algol only at the latitude of Chicago.

More to follow.