Father/Mother Issues

[FlorencedeZ.]

23 August 2015

Jim, when you write about Capricorn Sun, Moon or a Stellium it is often brought to the attention that there are father issues. Does the same apply to for example Cancer Sun, Moon and/or a Stellium in Cancer when there are mother issues? Or not necessarily?

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My friend A of about 15 years born August 26 1982 in Crown Point at I assume 4am ish making his Saturn and Pluto foreground. He has nSun semi square nSaturn 1.07 also have nSun sextile nSaturn class 3.
I certainly have parental problems and authority issues-then again, who doesn't. Now after seeing A in action with me, his parents, family and any authority, I can better distinguish this aspect.
The miscommunication between he and I comes down to him being in denial about his insecurities. He refuses to accept the harsh facts of himself. He refuses to communicate about problems. He escapes.
His mother and him always argue when speaking. And all she is doing is trying to understand him. She is just being his mother. He thinks she is juts. It is clearly him.
He abuses substances and rips on almost everyone including me to my face but he does so passive aggressively. Then he tries to control those he is afraid of. He sabotages negotiations and plans out of spite. He refuses to accept any outside guidance (Moon-Uranus I suspect)
Now I also suspect A has n Pluto foreground but he isn't expressively searching for any meaning so maybe not.

Nice thread, my mother was born with a very close almost partile conjunction of Moon/Sun in Capricorn sextile Saturn in Scorpio and she's always had parental issues, especially with her own mother. As recounted several times by my mother, when she was a child up until early adulthood her own mother treated her like crap in favor of her older more pretentious and Libra oriented sister. She often wished when she was a child as well that she could have been born a man, not in a gender dysphoric way, but more in a gender displacement sort of way due to watching the freedom and power her father enjoyed while making money and not being bound by the gender stereotypes of the 60s through 70s. I know she was an adult at the time, but her parents sort of coerced her into abandoning her future to care for them in their old age which has sort of set the tone for our relationship and the struggles she's had to endure. Transiting Neptune over her luminaries also dissolved the ties she believed she had with them when they both died less than a year apart from each other.

In general, think of Sun and Saturn as the planets that represent Father issues, and Moon and Neptune as those for Mom.

Such issues need not actually be gender based if someone other than the literal father or mother anchors the basic function in a person's psyche and experience.

Other planets, of course, have their hand in the game in different ways, usually obvious in common sense ways.

Question, why isn't Moon/Saturn so much about mother issues, my own mother recounted to me about the treatment she received from her mother as almost smothering compared to the attention and praise her mother gave to her sort of ill sister. My mother was a natural rebel, and my grandmother an obsessive compulsive, so you can see the obvious contrast there. What my mother also said was she never felt neglected by her mother, she just never gave her positive attention or affection except when she behaved properly which was probably 40 to 50 percent of the time. In contrast, I have a Neptune=Sun/Moon, and I've felt at various throughout my childhood and teenage years that my mother has been missing(Neptune), even though I spent my entire life with her. What is striking is her Saturn/Sun aspect, she had an amazing relationship with her father, the only downside that she remembers was having to mediate between two when fights broke out(All very symbolic of Moon/Saturn in Capricorn receiving a sextile from Saturn in Scorpio). On the other hand, I was fed and never beaten to death, but I always felt that my mother's emotions were not there, but with various men, and when they were there, they were inappropriate and too late....as in myself having to be the mother, and her checking into my life at a moment that was not critical. Is Moon/Neptune naturally symbolic of womb rejection which carries into childhood, while Moon/Saturn is more of the harsh Victorian matriarch which forces you to learn life lessons so you will be properly educated about society and be able to navigate it? Does Mars come into play in relation to the parents when aspect the lights, do Jupiter and Venus aspecting the lights also color the relationship between parent and child?

Question, why isn't Moon/Saturn so much about mother issues

It is. But you're talking about Moon and Saturn aspects, right? When I said Moon and Neptune I didn't mean Moon-Neptune aspects, I meant Moon-Neptune aspects (notice no hyphen) but rather the Moon faculty and the Neptune faculty. Having the Moon faculty configured to Saturn certainly can represent "trouble through mother."