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Pluto Return for the U.S.?

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 6:59 am
by Lance
I've heard some online buzz about a Pluto return for the U.S. I'm not even sure what date and time I would use for the U.S. "natal chart," but I'm interested in what people think.

Thoughts?

Re: Pluto Return for the U.S.?

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 7:40 am
by Jim Eshelman
Ken Bowser and I have been in a lot of those conversations with Tropicalists who think we're right on top of it. Due to precession, the Sidereal Pluto return is a couple of years later than the tropical: Pluto will be first within 1° of its natal place March 23, 2023 and will last leave partile orb December 6, 2025, making three exact conjunctions in that time.

One thing I pointed out online - for those who think this marks the fall of the United States - is that England has been through three rounds of this since 1066 and it's still going strong.

The transit surely means a decision point where serious questions will have to be answered and fundamental changes enacted - a time to (in some fashion) restructure and reconceive. What the nation is willing to do in this regard will surely determine the outcome of the 2024 election.

I think the most important effects will be those that are natural to Pluto in Capricorn. Here is my full analysis of that passage: https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2475#p33904

Re: Pluto Return for the U.S.?

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:08 am
by SteveS
By what I have learned from Donald Bradley about Pluto, I think Bradley (RIP) may have thought the Country is at a major "turning point."
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Re: Pluto Return for the U.S.?

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:13 am
by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:08 am By what I have learned from Donald Bradley about Pluto, I think Bradley (RIP) may have thought the Country is at a major "turning point."
That is certainly easy to see by reading the headlines every day for the last five years (and essentially what I meant by some of my remarks above).

Re: Pluto Return for the U.S.?

Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:19 am
by SteveS
Jim wrote:
That is certainly easy to see by reading the headlines every day for the last five years (and essentially what I meant by some of my remarks above).
Exactly Jim!