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Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:35 am
by SteveS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1825_Miramichi_fire
According to Wikipedia one of the top 3 most destructive fires in North America was the Miramichi Fire on 10/07/1825 in the New Brunswick, Canada area (46N30; 66W00). Recently Jim has posted some Lunar Ingress Charts associating em with their malefic symbolism to the destructive fires which have been raging out West due to the drought-heat conditions. Take a look at the “outstanding incident” Mars-Saturn symbolism in the 9/21/1825 Caplunar with the New Brunswick fire with below link:
https://ibb.co/cvWcqVf
We see Mars rising 1,43 conjunct Caplunar Asc, partile sextile Saturn. Normally we would not pay attention to sextiles with return charts, but this Caplunar features Caplunar Moon partile 150 Mars (rising) & Saturn, forming a kite configuration with Caplunar Moon anchored by Mars & Saturn, outstanding malefic symbolism for this most destructive fire.
Also impressive is the 10’05/1825 New Brunswick Canlunar with mundo Mars & Saturn dominating the angles, Mars partile 135 Uranus for the sudden unexpected fire which destroyed the New Brunswick area. Donald Bradley was a Sidereal Astrology genius, his work giving birth to the SVP allowing us to calculate these Sidereal Mundane Charts!
Re: Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:32 am
by Jim Eshelman
You don't need to go to quincunxes to get the Moon-Mars (actually, Moon-Mars-Uranus) symbolism in the Caplunar, since you have Moon conjunct Uranus and both square Mars. These are PVP aspects - which, the research shows me, are exactly as important as (and interchangeable with) ecliptical or PV aspects.
Moon is 270 06' azimuth, Uranus 270 59'. This gives them a 0 53' conjunction right on the Vertex (270 00'). To see the geometric relationship of these to Mars, we don't have a direct measurement: As a very close estimate, we need to compare their PV Amplitude to Mars' altitude. Here are those numbers for comparison:
0 05' - Moon PV Amp
0 50 - Uranus PV Amp
2 13 - Mars Alt
Subtracting, we see that the Mars-Uranus square has a 1 33' orb, Moon-Mars has 2 08'.
So basically this chart is Mars closely rising square a partile Moon-Uranus conjunction - which has "flash fire" all over it.
Very interesting event!
Re: Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:47 am
by SteveS
Most interesting Jim about the PVP aspects. Do PVP aspects narrow the mile limits down to a location vs eclipto aspects?
Re: Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:59 am
by Jim Eshelman
I'm not sure thst I'm sure what you mean by "mile limit" - do you mean how far from exact the planet is still in orb? I haven't tested but I think it's about the same as for any other angle.
I really wish PVP aspects didn't work. They're a pain in the butt, you can't get an aspectarian for them, we have to jump through hoops to get them, but dang, they're exactly solid nearly always.
The good news is that, if we ignore them, 80-90% of the time we're OK. For example, this chart would have been perfectly acceptable with nothing but a closely rising Mars, right? It's just that it goes from "serious fire" with Mars closely rising to "more serious Flash fire" with Moon-Uranus square rising Mars.
Re: Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:18 am
by SteveS
Jim asked:
I'm not sure thst I'm sure what you mean by "mile limit" –
It’s probably because of my lack of knowledge with PVP aspects. I guess what I mean: If we could plot a PVP aspect (line) on a Map to zero in on specific areas, would the PVP aspect offer a more specific area than plotting lines of standard eclipto aspects on a Map?
Jim wrote:
I really wish PVP aspects didn't work. They're a pain in the butt, you can't get an aspectarian for them, we have to jump through hoops to get them, but dang, they're exactly solid nearly always.
All of your posts about PVP aspects have impressed me, but I can’t remember to check for them with SF shortcut you posted.
Jim wrote:
The good news is that, if we ignore them, 80-90% of the time we're OK. For example, this chart would have been perfectly acceptable with nothing but a closely rising Mars, right? It's just that it goes from "serious fire" with Mars closely rising to "more serious Flash fire" with Moon-Uranus square rising Mars.
I understand exactly where you are coming from---excellent observation.
Re: Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:06 am
by Jim Eshelman
SteveS wrote: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:18 am
Jim asked:
I'm not sure thst I'm sure what you mean by "mile limit" –
It’s probably because of my lack of knowledge with PVP aspects. I guess what I mean: If we could plot a PVP aspect (line) on a Map to zero in on specific areas, would the PVP aspect offer a more specific area than plotting lines of standard eclipto aspects on a Map?
Let me give a comparison: If you have only a Mars line (say, on Asc), then that's a long line of vulnerability. You can only guess the location by knowing the most vulnerable places, but that's all. However, if another line crosses it - say, Saturn on MC - then it instantly narrows the
worst place. You could still have a bad run of fires anywhere along the Mars line, but you would be smart to think the area within a (say) 150-mile diameter of their intersection would be the
most vulnerable.
A PVP aspect is line another angle line cutting across - we'd want to see the line for where planets were mundanely on the prime vertical, and it would kook similar to an Asc line coming across the map. But we don't have this capability with current software (just like we can't get EP-WP lines). You just have to set up the chart for each location you want to watch and check it manually.
Re: Oct 7 1825 New Brunswick, Canada Fire (Miramichi Fire)
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:44 am
by SteveS
Jim wrote:
A PVP aspect is line another angle line cutting across - we'd want to see the line for where planets were mundanely on the prime vertical, and it would kook similar to an Asc line coming across the map. But we don't have this capability with current software (just like we can't get EP-WP lines). You just have to set up the chart for each location you want to watch and check it manually.
Thanks Jim.