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Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:33 am
by rcooke13
I have a few questions
I have Imum Coeli in Capricorn. Does this mean that if I live on a venus IC line, that my feeling of being responsible for others and needing a stable foundation will be exacerbated while living near this line?
If I have asc square sun, mc opposite sun and lilith square sun in my chart, and I live on my sun line, does that mean these negative sun aspects would be exacerbated on a sun line?
Since my sun is in the 4th house and my venus is in the 3rd house, would I live on the venus line if I'd rather my life revolve around 3rd house matters as opposed to 4th house matters?
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:03 pm
by Jim Eshelman
rcooke13 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:33 am
I have Imum Coeli in Capricorn. Does this mean that if I live on a venus IC line, that my feeling of being responsible for others and needing a stable foundation will be exacerbated while living near this line?
Not from the angle. However, the whole quality of your Venus (which btw is in Sidereal Sagittarius) will come into expresson.
If I have asc square sun, mc opposite sun and lilith square sun in my chart, and I live on my sun line, does that mean these negative sun aspects would be exacerbated on a sun line?
No. Asc square Sun is not malevolent - it jut means your Sun is strong. Lilith square Sun isn't malevolent because Lilith is a fictitious planet. Squares aren't bad aspects in any case, just strong aspects.
Since my sun is in the 4th house and my venus is in the 3rd house, would I live on the venus line if I'd rather my life revolve around 3rd house matters as opposed to 4th house matters?
As said many times, houses are irrelevant in relocated charts.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:26 pm
by rcooke13
Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:03 pm
rcooke13 wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:33 am
I have Imum Coeli in Capricorn. Does this mean that if I live on a venus IC line, that my feeling of being responsible for others and needing a stable foundation will be exacerbated while living near this line?
Not from the angle. However, the whole quality of your Venus (which btw is in Sidereal Sagittarius) will come into expresson.
If I have asc square sun, mc opposite sun and lilith square sun in my chart, and I live on my sun line, does that mean these negative sun aspects would be exacerbated on a sun line?
No. Asc square Sun is not malevolent - it jut means your Sun is strong. Lilith square Sun isn't malevolent because Lilith is a fictitious planet. Squares aren't bad aspects in any case, just strong aspects.
Since my sun is in the 4th house and my venus is in the 3rd house, would I live on the venus line if I'd rather my life revolve around 3rd house matters as opposed to 4th house matters?
As said many times, houses are irrelevant in relocated charts.
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? I'm guessing no but I just want to make sure I'm right. Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:52 pm
by Jim Eshelman
rcooke13 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:26 pm
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? I'm guessing no but I just want to make sure I'm right. Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
I see why you might think this and ask this - you may have a real intuition about something strange coming your way.
This is because your secondary progressions have both a Mars-Saturn conjunction and Moon-Neptune square at the moment. These aspects are consistent with many kinds of experience, but one of those possibilities is a "fatal attraction" type of encounter. I'm not saying this will happen, only that it's in the realm of possibility and your subconsciousness may be picking up on this - and suggesting something to you. The time when both aspects exist together is about one more month. (Moon-Neptune has been in orb for about a month already, will be exact in a few days, and will last about a month after that.)
But the important thing to understand is that this is unrelated to your location. To repeat part of your question:
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? ... Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
People are indeed likely to be attracted to you. Why do you assume this would be a bad thing, or they would be crazies? BTW, obsessive and crazy women (or non-obsessive, non-crazy) women are as likely to be attracted to you as men - there is no gender bias in your astrologically enhanced attractiveness.
I'm not sure why you specifically single out Venus' sign-placement in Sagittarius for this. Nothing in the symbolism of Sagittarius makes this kind of thing more or less likely.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:14 pm
by rcooke13
Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:52 pm
rcooke13 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:26 pm
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? I'm guessing no but I just want to make sure I'm right. Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
I see why you might think this and ask this - you may have a real intuition about something strange coming your way.
This is because your secondary progressions have both a Mars-Saturn conjunction and Moon-Neptune square at the moment. These aspects are consistent with many kinds of experience, but one of those possibilities is a "fatal attraction" type of encounter. I'm not saying this will happen, only that it's in the realm of possibility and your subconsciousness may be picking up on this - and suggesting something to you. The time when both aspects exist together is about one more month. (Moon-Neptune has been in orb for about a month already, will be exact in a few days, and will last about a month after that.)
But the important thing to understand is that this is unrelated to your location. To repeat part of your question:
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? ... Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
People are indeed likely to be attracted to you. Why do you assume this would be a bad thing, or they would be crazies? BTW, obsessive and crazy women (or non-obsessive, non-crazy) women are as likely to be attracted to you as men - there is no gender bias in your astrologically enhanced attractiveness.
I'm not sure why you specifically single out Venus' sign-placement in Sagittarius for this. Nothing in the symbolism of Sagittarius makes this kind of thing more or less likely.
Wow, that's interesting you say that about the mars-saturn and moon-neptune aspects and how it's unrelated to location. Because I have been concerned that one guy in particular might turn that way, and he lives in MA, the same state I'm in. He isn't even in New Orleans. So my subconscious is probably picking on something that's right here in MA. So New Orleans is irrelevant, you're right.
I've also been paranoid in general since I was watching true crime stuff.
I was thinking of disconnecting from him on social media (he takes that stuff seriously) to be done with connection to him. I will wait until these aspects pass then.
When the aspects go away, does that mean the fatal attraction possibilities lessen after that? Like not as of a possibility as when the aspects were here? I'm not asking about him in particular, just in general.
Regarding him though, I really think he's harmless, have known of him for 10 years. but just a weird feeling I've been having lately...
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:29 pm
by rcooke13
Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:52 pm
rcooke13 wrote: Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:26 pm
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? I'm guessing no but I just want to make sure I'm right. Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
I see why you might think this and ask this - you may have a real intuition about something strange coming your way.
This is because your secondary progressions have both a Mars-Saturn conjunction and Moon-Neptune square at the moment. These aspects are consistent with many kinds of experience, but one of those possibilities is a "fatal attraction" type of encounter. I'm not saying this will happen, only that it's in the realm of possibility and your subconsciousness may be picking up on this - and suggesting something to you. The time when both aspects exist together is about one more month. (Moon-Neptune has been in orb for about a month already, will be exact in a few days, and will last about a month after that.)
But the important thing to understand is that this is unrelated to your location. To repeat part of your question:
Does living in a place where venus is close to the IC present potential issues of fatal attraction or crime of passions from men? Obsessiveness, etc? ... Because if I'm fully expressing my Sagittarius venus, then people would probably respond by being attracted, and I don't want to atrract crazies/obsessive types, so that's why I ask.
People are indeed likely to be attracted to you. Why do you assume this would be a bad thing, or they would be crazies? BTW, obsessive and crazy women (or non-obsessive, non-crazy) women are as likely to be attracted to you as men - there is no gender bias in your astrologically enhanced attractiveness.
I'm not sure why you specifically single out Venus' sign-placement in Sagittarius for this. Nothing in the symbolism of Sagittarius makes this kind of thing more or less likely.
This is random, but when it comes to a secondary progressions/transits/nativity reading, is using geocentric valid? As opposed to sidereal.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:45 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Sidereal IS geocentric. - I think you meant to contrast it with Tropical.
No, using Tropical is not better.
Transits and progressions time out better in a precession-free framework like the Sidereal zodiac. In contrast, the Tropical zodiac retrogrades backward at the rate of 0°00'50" per year, or 0°01' every five years of life. At your current age of almost 32, this tiny amount has accumulated to 0°27' - about half a degree. If you were to use the Tropical zodiac, you would first have to add 0°27' (this year) to every natal planet and point in order to compensate for this slippage and get correct results. However, if you use the Sidereal zodiac, this isn't a problem.
For progressions, it doesn't make a difference because progressions all occur within a few weeks of birth when the amount of precession is much less than even 0°01'. For example, at age 32 your progressions correspond to a date only 32 days after birth.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:31 pm
by rcooke13
Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:45 pm
Sidereal IS geocentric. - I think you meant to contrast it with Tropical.
No, using Tropical is not better.
Transits and progressions time out better in a precession-free framework like the Sidereal zodiac. In contrast, the Tropical zodiac retrogrades backward at the rate of 0°00'50" per year, or 0°01' every five years of life. At your current age of almost 32, this tiny amount has accumulated to 0°27' - about half a degree. If you were to use the Tropical zodiac, you would first have to add 0°27' (this year) to every natal planet and point in order to compensate for this slippage and get correct results. However, if you use the Sidereal zodiac, this isn't a problem.
For progressions, it doesn't make a difference because progressions all occur within a few weeks of birth when the amount of precession is much less than even 0°01'. For example, at age 32 your progressions correspond to a date only 32 days after birth.
I'm looking for someone to give me a nativity, transits/ secondary progressions reading about a certain city. Can I hire you to do them?
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:39 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Thanks for asking - My available time wouldn't allow that, though someone else here might want to reach out to you.
Please note that most transits and progressions have nothing to do with a given local. Most transits and progressions are planet-to-planet, identical for all locations. Only the few (less than 15%) that are transits to local angles, or progressions to or by local angles, will have anything to do with a given locality.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:37 pm
by rcooke13
Would living under my venus ic (and venus square ascendant) lines amplify my venus conjunct saturn aspect in my chart?
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:21 pm
by Jim Eshelman
In a sense, yes. It will activate your entire Venus state, which includes how Venus is aspected.
However, your Venus-Saturn conjunction at more than 5° isn't a very strong aspect, so there isn't much force in it anyway. A bigger concern would be making sure that Venus is more angular than Saturn (that you are closer to a Venus line than a Saturn line). If you are exactly on a Venus line, then Venus overwhelms the more widely angular Saturn. The things to avoid are (1) being closer to a Saturn line and (2) being where the Venus/Saturn midpoint is exactly angular, which is where the Venus-Saturn influence would be strongest, e.g., Omaha or just west of Houston.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:33 am
by rcooke13
In your opinion, do you think the saturn sq asc and saturn ic line in Texas is far enough away from New Orleans to where I won't feel it enough for it to have any effect?
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:36 am
by Jim Eshelman
Your Venus is far stronger. There is some Saturn input, but the Venus is far, far stronger.
So, the simple answer is yes, it would be a fundamentally Venus place with mild Saturn overtones. (Anybody who plans to work, even a little, in New Orleans needs a touch of Saturn <g>.)
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:04 pm
by rcooke13
Jim Eshelman wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:36 am
Your Venus is far stronger. There is some Saturn input, but the Venus is far, far stronger.
So, the simple answer is yes, it would be a fundamentally Venus place with mild Saturn overtones. (
Anybody who plans to work, even a little, in New Orleans needs a touch of Saturn <g>.)
That's a good point lol. I didnt even think of that. I feel much better.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:42 pm
by rcooke13
I read that venus square ascendant means you never feel worthy of love and that you are a people pleaser to your detriment, and that you attract superficial people. Do you believe this is accurate or an inaccurate definition of the aspect?
Does the square just means it's very strong, and not all of those other traits above?
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:28 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Yes, I think the interpretation is completely strong. Yes, the square just makes Venus very strong.
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:07 pm
by rcooke13
Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:28 pm
Yes, I think the interpretation is completely strong. Yes, the square just makes Venus very strong.
At the bolded, did you mean completely wrong?
Re: Will living under a line exacerbate negative placements in your chart?
Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:24 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Yes, sorry, typo.