Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

FlorencedeZ. wrote:Hi Jim,
this year my SSR features a sun conjunct saturn less then 1 degrees in the background. What is the main difference from this aspect from being in the foreground? Does it have such a weak influence that it is hardly experienced coming from the outside or does it have severe weight as the conjunction is tight even when background? I am a little lost on this.Thanks for your input.
Florence

Jim Eshelman wrote:Great question.
First of all, any partile aspects are important.
Second, since there really isn't a Solar Return Sun distinct from a natal Sun, this is best interpreted as Saturn transitting natal Sun.
In practice:
Don't read the Saturn Background paragraph (because it would be confusing with this other Saturn prominence).
Don't read the Saturn Foreground paragraph (because that's the wrong spin, but might end up being similar).
Read t. Saturn conjunct r. Sun.
Read Sun background. (That's probably especially important, given its aspect from Saturn.)

FlorencedeZ. wrote:thank you Jim.
This helps a lot.
Regards,
Florence

FlorencedeZ. wrote:Jim, I have another question in regards to my SSR 2012 this year.
As discussed above a partile aspect Sun conjunct Saturn is in the background.
My Demi Solar brought this apect to the foreground, both them being angular conjoined with Venus.
Does this Demi Solar replace the SSR for the last half year now these background aspects being foreground?
Or is the SSR 2012 still being the front runner and those aspects still in te background so it has little affect?
This SSR feels like I have lost my energy and I am not going out much, except for work. (s.Pluto and r.Pluto on angles) My health is not so optimal this year. I have for example very low blood pressure and dental bone infections and it takes much more energy to do things this year. It's kind of frustrating.
Regards,
Florence

Jim Eshelman wrote:The Demi does not replace the SSR. The solars are quite different from the lunars in this regard.
In some ways, you can ignore the Demi. It does have an effect, more of the feel of a shorter term chart. It's especially useful as part of the timing system (filtering which quarter of the year things manifest).

FlorencedeZ. wrote:Thank you Jim. Now it is clear to me as I was especially interested in the backgrounds planets coming to the foreground half way through the year.
And indeed there was a post recently about the significance of Lunar and Demi Lunar returns on this matter.
Thanks again,
Florence

Freya wrote:Why isn't there a SSR sun distinct from the natal sun?

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Freya wrote:Why isn't there a SSR sun distinct from the natal sun?

They are exactly the same position. There is nothing to distinguish the two positions.
And, from observation, it acts like natal Sun, not like transiting Sun.

Freya wrote:That explains it, thank you. I was born with the sun in the background, so this does not mean that it will always be in the background, depending on its position in the solar return. So in those SSRs (like last year's) I will act as if I was born with angular sun. Is this correct?

Jim Eshelman wrote:Sorta kinda, yeah. See the interpretations of this in the solar return section.

Venus_Daily wrote:

Sorta kinda, yeah. See the interpretations of this in the solar return section.

Wow, so there's no difference between transiting sun and Solar Return sun, I've heard this before, but just wanted to clarify.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Venus_Daily wrote:

Sorta kinda, yeah. See the interpretations of this in the solar return section.

Wow, so there's no difference between transiting sun and Solar Return sun, I've heard this before, but just wanted to clarify.

That's not what I said. In fact it's exactly the opposite of what I said.

Venus_Daily wrote:I apologize, I should have reworded it, I meant it in relation to the SSR, the "transiting" sun in the nativity automatically becomes the natal sun once it reaches the exact degree or second of the original natal sun. Does this rule apply to the swifter planets in the natal chart as well?

Venus_Daily wrote:I apologize, I should have reworded it, I meant it in relation to the SSR, the "transiting" sun in the nativity automatically becomes the natal sun once it reaches the exact degree or second of the original natal sun. Does this rule apply to the swifter planets in the natal chart as well?

I said there is NO transiting Sun as such in the Solar Return - only a natal Sun.

Jim Eshelman wrote:

Venus_Daily wrote:I apologize, I should have reworded it, I meant it in relation to the SSR, the "transiting" sun in the nativity automatically becomes the natal sun once it reaches the exact degree or second of the original natal sun. Does this rule apply to the swifter planets in the natal chart as well?

No. It applies only because there is only one position for the Sun. (The same thing applies to the Moon in a lunar return.)
It's better to think of it not as "turning into" something but, rather, as completely ignoring the fact that there is a Sun among the transiting planets in a Solar Return, and paying attention only to the natal Sun.