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Posted: **Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:38 pm**

How do we calculate Mundane position of natal planets. Say, Mars or Uranus and it's proximity to the ASC/DSC or their position in relation to mundane transiting planets? Particularly in Solar Fire.

Posted: **Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:49 pm**

Venus_Daily wrote: Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:38 pm How do we calculate Mundane position of natal planets. Say, Mars or Uranus and it's proximity to the ASC/DSC or their position in relation to mundane transiting planets? Particularly in Solar Fire.

To calculate in Solar Fire the mundoscope positions of a given single chart (such as a natal, or a solar return, but NOT including natal planets in a Solar Return, select the chart and click the "Harmonics etc." button (or press the F6 key) and select Z-Analogue Prime Vertical.

You cannot calculate NATAL PLANETS INSIDE A SOLAR RETURN this way. In fact, there is no way to do that in solar fire because (among other considerations) it requires you precess the natal planets' equatorial coordinates to the date of the SSR (and SF doesn't do that). You need a trick, such as using an Excel spreadsheet I created (I'm trying to get people away from having to do this, but it's still a viable solution) here:
https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1544

But there's a far easier way! Mike Nelson's free TMSA software doe all the work for you and even calculates the aspects and filters out the foreground planets. It's the preferred, recommended approach going forward: https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=6076

For example, here's what your 2023 SSR for Page, AZ looks like in TMSA. You want to look at the PVL (Prime Vertical Longitude) column for the mundoscope positions, or simply the Ang column which is percentage of strength. There is also a digital chart display, but I'm just copying the data tables:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo  9Ta30' 3"  3N15 +12°56'  61°57' 24N14  52°32' - 6°55'   8°41'  81% A 
Su 18Le16'40"  0N 0 +58'10" 164°39'  6N33 307°58' -30°53' 142°49'   3%   
Me 18Le48'43"  3S49 -58'20" 163°41'  2N49 306° 1' -34°22' 139°47'   7%   
Ve 17Cn13'24"  6S44 + 4'57" 132°51' 10N39 345°24' -41°18' 106° 1'  65%   
Ma 11Vi 8' 5"  0N35 +38'51" 185°56'  1S55 284°36' -21°35' 157°46'  16%   
Ju 20Ar30'31"  1S20 - 0'19"  43°31' 15N14  70°50' + 0° 1' 359°59' 100% A 
Sa  8Aq 1'37"  1S47 - 4'26" 335°42' 12S 2 140° 7' +31°33' 316°14'  12%   
Ur 27Ar58'44"  0S19 - 0'24"  50°44' 18N14  64° 7' - 3°24'   3°47'  96% A 
Ne  1Pi33'56"  1S16 - 1'36" 357°25'  2S30 114°20' +25° 5' 332°48'   2%   
Pl  3Cp 5'53"  2S44 - 0'54" 300°52' 23S12 180°55' +29°53' 268°24'  99% M 
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                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 21Sg15'14"  3S32 +12°33' 288°11' 25S57 193°33' +25°51' 244°12'   5%   
Su 18Le16'40"  0S 0 +58'10" 164°39'  6N33 307°58' -30°53' 142°49'   3%   
Me  5Le47'17"  2S 5 -16'53" 152°10'  9N13 321°59' -35°45' 130°33'  24%   
Ve 10Vi22'21"  1N 1 + 1°14' 185°24'  1S14 285°33' -21°34' 157°42'  15%   
Ma 15Sc55'41"  2S20 +36'20" 249° 4' 24S24 227°34' +11° 9' 194°58'  67%   
Ju  8Sg39'57"  0S 5 + 1'11" 274° 4' 23S28 207°50' +24°14' 223°57'  17%   
Sa 17Li26' 2"  2N11 + 4'45" 220°44' 13S31 253°50' - 1° 4' 178°53' 100% D 
Ur 15Sc 8'58"  0N 1 + 0'55" 248°36' 21S58 229°31' +12°43' 196°32'  65%   
Ne  4Sg 8'18"  1N11 - 0' 9" 269° 9' 22S16 212°53' +23°19' 218°28'  27%   
Pl  5Li42'12" 16N27 + 1'47" 214°20'  3N42 271°24' + 4°18' 184°18'  99% W

Since it's just a text file, you can easily delete all the lines of non-foreground planets and simply the whole thing to this:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ju 20Ar30'31"  1S20 - 0'19"  43°31' 15N14  70°50' + 0° 1' 359°59' 100% A 
Pl  3Cp 5'53"  2S44 - 0'54" 300°52' 23S12 180°55' +29°53' 268°24'  99% M 
Mo  9Ta30' 3"  3N15 +12°56'  61°57' 24N14  52°32' - 6°55'   8°41'  81% A 
Ur 27Ar58'44"  0S19 - 0'24"  50°44' 18N14  64° 7' - 3°24'   3°47'  96% A 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Sa 17Li26' 2"  2N11 + 4'45" 220°44' 13S31 253°50' - 1° 4' 178°53' 100% D 
Pl  5Li42'12" 16N27 + 1'47" 214°20'  3N42 271°24' + 4°18' 184°18'  99% W 
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    Class 1 Aspects     
tMo sq tSa  1°28' 96%                                                   
tJu sq tPl  1°35' 95% M                                                 
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tJu op rSa  1° 6' 98% M                                                 
tUr op rPl  0°31' 99% M                                                 
tPl sq rSa  0°29'100% M                                                 
tPl sq rPl  2°36' 87%

Posted: **Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:11 pm**

Or here is the full 2024 Hiroshima return:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Mo 13Vi59'48"  0S13 +11°46' 188°15'  3S48 266°34' - 1°43' 178°17' 100% Wa
Su 18Le16'40"  0N 0 +58'12" 164°40'  6N32 288°57' -14°53' 164°18'  46%   
Me  0Le13'54"  0N 7 + 1° 1' 147°38' 13N12 306° 5' -22°52' 152°27'   2%   
Ve 13Vi20'50"  0N53 + 1°13' 188° 5'  2S32 267°42' - 1° 8' 178°52' 100% Wa
Ma  5Ge17'26"  0S 1 +36'11"  90°25' 23N26   7°54' -31°46'  77°29'  63%   
Ju 24Ta25'34"  0S42 + 6'13"  78°39' 22N19  20°32' -30°27'  59°11'   0%   
Sa 21Aq 9'12"  2S11 - 4'36" 348°11'  7S27 107°29' +11°34' 347°54'  65%   
Ur  2Ta 9'57"  0S16 - 0'12"  55° 2' 19N17  43°56' -22°42'  31° 5'  39%   
Ne  3Pi51'16"  1S19 - 1'35" 359°33'  1S38  96° 0' + 5°49' 354°10'  91% A 
Pl  4Cp51'34"  3S16 - 0'57" 302°52' 23S21 153°54' +27°31' 310°11'  25%   
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Mo 21Sg15'14"  3S32 +12°33' 288°12' 25S57 169°15' +28°51' 288°42'  61%   
Su 18Le16'40"  0S 0 +58'10" 164°40'  6N32 288°57' -14°53' 164°18'  46%   
Me  5Le47'17"  2S 5 -16'53" 152°11'  9N13 299°37' -22°32' 154°30'   5%   
Ve 10Vi22'21"  1N 1 + 1°14' 185°25'  1S14 270°17' - 2°37' 177°23'  98% W 
Ma 15Sc55'41"  2S20 +36'20" 249° 5' 24S24 208°51' +25°13' 224°18'  16%   
Ju  8Sg39'57"  0S 5 + 1'11" 274° 5' 23S28 183°56' +32° 2' 263°44'  90% M 
Sa 17Li26' 2"  2N11 + 4'45" 220°45' 13S31 238°53' +17°46' 200°31'  58%   
Ur 15Sc 8'58"  0N 1 + 0'55" 248°37' 21S58 210°30' +27°13' 225°23'  14%   
Ne  4Sg 8'18"  1N11 - 0' 9" 269°10' 22S16 189°26' +32°46' 255°42'  54%   
Pl  5Li42'12" 16N27 + 1'47" 214°21'  3N42 257°24' +23°55' 204°26'  51%   
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class 1 Aspects    
tMo co tVe  0°35' 99% M                                                 
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tMo co rVe  0°53' 98% M                                                 
tVe co rVe  1°28' 96% M                                                 
tNe sq rJu  0°26'100% M                                                 
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rVe sq rJu  1°42' 94%

Here's the version after I strip out the non-foreground planets:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
                           Transiting Planets                           
Ve 13Vi20'50"  0N53 + 1°13' 188° 5'  2S32 267°42' - 1° 8' 178°52' 100% Wa
Mo 13Vi59'48"  0S13 +11°46' 188°15'  3S48 266°34' - 1°43' 178°17' 100% Wa
Ne  3Pi51'16"  1S19 - 1'35" 359°33'  1S38  96° 0' + 5°49' 354°10'  91% A 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Radical Planets                             
Ve 10Vi22'21"  1N 1 + 1°14' 185°25'  1S14 270°17' - 2°37' 177°23'  98% W 
Ju  8Sg39'57"  0S 5 + 1'11" 274° 5' 23S28 183°56' +32° 2' 263°44'  90% M 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class 1 Aspects    
tMo co tVe  0°35' 99% M                                                 
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tMo co rVe  0°53' 98% M                                                 
tVe co rVe  1°28' 96% M                                                 
tNe sq rJu  0°26'100% M                                                 
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rVe sq rJu  1°42' 94%

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