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The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:28 pm
by Jim Eshelman
These are some misc. writings (fragments of posts) on the 5th Harmonic aspect series from threads on the old site.
Jim Eshelman wrote:(...) the quintile series, based on the division of the circle into fifths (72°, 144°) gives very reliable information natally, though these aspects are not readily discernible in a drawn horoscope. [2015 clarification: The nature of the "very reliable information" is quite different from that provided by the other aspects mentioned and, for most astrologically use, these are inert.]
Jim Eshelman wrote:One of the last talks I developed for public presentation at astrology conventions in the early '80s was on this subject. After coming to the original conclusions, and sharing the direction examples were taking me, I, of course, doubted I had sufficient data to substantiate it. In the decades sense, much of the work I have done has been in a field that lets me observe this particular finding more, and it holds up.

It is this: Quintiles specifically represent aspects of the psyche that unfold as self-actualization (in the Maslow sense) and profound spiritual unfolding/disclosure occurs. It may even be directly wired to Kundalini phenomena (and similar energy phenomena) unlocked by (or contributing to) this unfolding.

In well over 90% of the populace, this is of no interest or value whatsoever because, in the entire course of their lives, they will never reach this level of physical-psychological unlocking that completely discloses them (what they really are) to themselves. However, when someone is specifically on that path, this is a useful key. (Remember that conjunctions are part of the quintile series, btw.)

One of the most important early discoveries from this (not a discovery like I was the first to see it, but rather that it made itself utterly evident to me) is that such self-actualization and spiritual unfolding has nothing whatsoever to do with "goodness." It's not a "washed, purified" reflection of character - it's just character. A striking example is Hitler's chart. He was a genius. He was gigantic. And as he grew, his inner unfolding occurred, his psyche became hypercharged with energy activating circuits and empowering the whole of his being. In his case, the quintile series of aspects that he had in his chart were psychotic aspects. The more he unfolded, the more universal force flooded through him, the crazier he got. But (in any sense that this is meant in spiritual unfolding systems of East or West, excluding moral considerations) this is true spiritual unfolding.

The aspects may show one as a saint or an affhole (or an affhole saint). It's irrelevant. It's just one's unfolding. It's an expression of innate genius actualized.

The primary observation is that, as one unfolds, these traits become more evident. A possibility is that since these traits and the unfolding go hand in hand, one might be able to accelerate the unfolding by developing the traits. However, this kind of "premature forcing the issue" is a delicate matter, not easily forced, so I emphasize that this is only a theoretical consideration.

The easiest way to see the Quintile series aspects is to do a 5th Harmonic chart and look at conjunctions, oppositions, and squares. A 10° orb would equate back in the natal to a 2° orb, and that would be the absolute extreme; one is better holding it to about 1° in the natal (equivalent to 5° in the 5th harmonic chart).

In Hitler's chart, you'll see the triple conjunction of Moon-Saturn-Neptune, a Mercury-Saturn (and, more widely, Mercury-Jupiter and Mercury-Neptune) oppositions, and his Venus-Mars conjunction square Pluto in the 5th Harmonic.

My own 5th harmonic chart (for full disclosure) shows Mercury-Mars, Jupiter-Uranus tightly square Moon, and Saturn-Pluto, plus my Venus-Pluto contact (and Venus-Saturn wide).

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:29 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Jim Eshelman wrote:...a few more public examples of people who unlocked this genius and its consequent expression in them.

Gandhi is an obvious one. He gets Moon-Jupiter, Mars-Pluto, Saturn-Neptune. (Compare these to the course of his mission and legacy.) The first two also show in his natal.

Einstein (such an actualized human being that he was the core example of Maslow's early studies) has Moon-Mercury, Moon-Neptune, Mercury-Jupiter-Saturn, and a rather wide Mars-Uranus. Of these, only the Mercury-Saturn showed in his natal.

Mozart has Sun-Mars opposite Jupiter-Uranus (with Mercury widely connected), plus a precise Moon-Pluto (moderately joined to Venus). Of these, his natal only showed Moon-Pluto (2') and Sun-Mercury (45'). Look at how the 5th harmonic aspect structure showed the unfolding of his character as his genius exploded open!

Pope Francis, who has emerged as an avatar of compassion and (in a newsworthy way) especially of compassion for diversities in human sexuality, shows Moon-Neptune and a very precise Venus-Mars (plus wider Jupiter-Saturn). None of this shows in his natal.

If we can trust the traditional birth data of Joan of Arc to be even slightly correct, she gets exact Uranus-Neptune and Jupiter-Saturn aspects. Neither of these is present in her natal, and yet they describe the primary things one knows about her mission and its character. (Only missing is the Mars warrior factor, and all the 5th harmonic shows is Mars rather widely tied to the political, avatarish Jupiter-Saturn.)

Did Thomas Edison truly unlock his innate genius? Seems to me he did. His 5th harmonic chart shows... Mercury-Venus-Uranus with some peripheral Moon, and then a close Moon-Jupiter.

I have many private cases I haven't mentioned, primarily for privacy, partly because their stories are insufficiently known to make the aspects meaningful.

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:29 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Jim Eshelman wrote:
DDonovanKinsolving wrote:I find this fascinating. I have Uranus-Q-Mars, Mars-Q-Moon, Uranus-BQ-Moon.

At your convenience, it would be nice to see more of your thoughts, Mr. E., about 1) the directions higher spiritual activation could and should go with various combinations of planets, and 2) whether you think any particular planetary configurations are inherently fraught with caution (as, in your example, Hitler).
In your case, the counsel certainly would be: Be bold, be willing to shake and challenge, and you probably will encounter a significant ordeal of detachment (i.e., whether to continue forward and see ferociously more change than your ego might have picked, willingness to let people go from your life who are blown away by the ferocity and mercilessness of your honesty, etc.). Does that help?

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sat May 06, 2023 5:30 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Lance wrote: Fri May 26, 2017 6:29 am I guess this is relevant to this topic because it has to do with the interpretive import of this particular kind of chart.

Mine came up with -

Jupiter square Pluto
Sun opposite Neptune

And I'm kind of dumbfounded as I'm thinking about this 5th Harmonic chart having to do with self-actualization. Primarily, though, it's striking me specifically in terms of Jung's process of *individuation.* My own bias is that self-actualization and individuation are integrally related, so that's rooted in the background of these thoughts. But here are the thoughts:

Oh my god. Of course. These two qualities expressed by this 5th Harmonic chart, are *of course* the things that have been presented to me again and again by society as my "sins," my "weaknesses!" - that which is "wicked" within me. And these are precisely the things that are powerfully psychologically important to me to express as well as the things that set me at odds with everyone else. In other words, these qualities have everything to do with my own *individuation* relative to societal norms.

(And, yes, tUranus conjunct my nSun moves partile tomorrow.)

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 1:06 pm
by Lyse
Jim

I have a natal quintile aspect, Moon-Ascendant, which is in conjunction with the Asc in the 5th Harmonic.

Are quintile aspects to the MC or Asc relevant?

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 1:36 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Lyse wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 1:06 pm Are quintile aspects to the MC or Asc relevant?
No. Angles don't make aspects. Don't display angles in a harmonic chart.

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Sun May 07, 2023 2:05 pm
by Lyse
Thanks

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:08 am
by Soft Alpaca
I'd have one myself.. MarsQPluto..
Won't deny the statistics that go with it and the undertone of forbidden homosexuality is a common theme not only in my life but this country right now. The traditional conservative values I grew up with - like to each their own, mind your own: and the value of history are under attack right now. I am related to Lincoln and a hoity toity northeastern republican, I'm embarrassed by the hateristians around me, the ones who don't know the church has gay saints because they hardly even go to church (because they've grown to *woke). The antiwoke have too gone woke, much like the blm heads without a shadow of a doubt committed tax fraud. George Washington wore a wig and heels just like half of the of the ding bat congress men trying to ban the act when they did it too in college.

As for the other tones of the sign- putting your libido into work would definitely be me. The criminal undertone to the aspect is also interesting. See I've come to be very libertarian- hell I come from a line of moonshiners, sufragists, and abolitionists. Alcohol can kill you but won't for a really long time if used in regulation, all drugs that should fit into this category should be legal regulated and depending on your states views taxed.
The other Mars-Pluto people I know are all very much more old school Sam crow, they don't want to be gang bangers or criminal bikers secretly deep down they are nature hippies and gearheads. The most delicate flowers may have roots steeped in blood- that's the whole point it doesn't effect them the same, it's not even an act they blossom in shit and blood. Sure they got a kill switch but I'm sure for some it's surgical rather than messy explosive.

I would say that it aspects my life for sure, but I think not always in a positive way but more destructive. Right now I'm at a burn out job but it's easy and I work with mostly a bunch of outcasts stoners and what many may call old crooks, but they are the least judgemental group you'll ever meet.

Re: The Quintile Series aspects (5th Harmonic)

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:18 pm
by Soft Alpaca
My best friend also only has 1 as well, MoonbQVenus. Again
I think this is clouded in her as well, but she has a Mer-Su-Ve in Libra. Her obsession with her tropical scorpio and the whole stigma with it is enforced by an angular Mars loosely rising and on the antivertex-vertex. However as she aims to be going into nursing school I'm hoping to get her more into sidereal as she likes both astrology and some science.

I don't however look at this aspect the same if it is a part of the self. I'd describe it as a undertone right along side with the same energy the Vertex gives off, it could be repressed by choice or ignorance or seen by others but not the self (with my friends Mars is loosely off the asc so I'm accounting for that).

I'm generally more inclined to look at the series for Sun Moon or Mars aspects or muti-planet formations. Not saying the others don't have a meaning, just would prioritize them.