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DDonovanKinsolving wrote:The reported shooter (and stabber) of the incident, Elliott Rodger, was born July 24, 1991 in London, according to what is being termed his "Manifesto":

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Ell ... -manifesto

I have not found a time of birth. Sun is in Cancer. Moon is definitely in Sagittarius, between 5°24' - 11°18' (at 12:00) - 17°12'.

Notice the tight Venus-Mars conjunction. If we knew the birthtime, I suspect something would make that prominent in a stressful fashion. Astrologically, it would be something that made the aspect strong yet inhibited from action (such as trine Moon but background). Under the heading of of "9 Years Old" he states: "Jealousy and envy... those are two feelings that would dominate my entire life and bring me immense pain." Appropriate for a negative Venus-Mars influence.

In the manifesto, Rodgers mentioned how he was always short, it being a cause of his being left out at key events, and so we can expect a malefic to be prominent, probably Saturn or Neptune, heightening the sense of inadequacy that grew over time with repeated activation.

I haven't read through the entire manifesto, but it strikes me that these memoirs would make very useful case study if only we had a time of birth. There is a lot of self-reporting of his perception of events and his reactions to them. These seem different from perceptions of him by others, as reported in the news. I am thinking that this could have been a good study in the "Johari Window" discussion elsewhere on Solunars.net

So far, my opinion of him, after listening to his final video, is unchanged. I won't go into that here, preferring to keep the discussion strictly astrological.

Any additional comments are certainly welcome.

-Derek

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:Notice the tight Venus-Mars conjunction.

DDonovanKinsolving wrote:

Jim Eshelman wrote:Remember that natal Venus-Mars aspects are the single most common aspects in murderers' charts - so far ahead of everything else that Bradley had to portray the bar graph with a broken line in his original study.

Yes indeed! And thanks for reminding me of it!

Bradley's article "Murder Will Out!" was reprinted in the 1977 American Astrology Digest. The graph is attached to this message. Here is his explanation:

Donald Bradley wrote:...Figure #3 ... shows the relative strength of aspectivity among the more variable planetary pairs. No numerical figures have been indicated on the diagram, although the lengths of the bars accurately reflect the comparative strength of two planet combinations in our sample of murderers' nativities, with two provisions.

First, the Venus-Mars bar was much too long to show fully, hence the firebreak on the drawing. The other provision is that for every aspect combination, the two closest aspects were ignored so that the extreme cases, by the sheer weight of their extremity, would not affect or exaggerate the ratings of 95% of the sample.

This proviso was suggested by the able statistician who devised this remarkable mathematical technique for the purposes of astrological research. Eliminating the effects of extreme instances gives a clearer picture of the bulk of the samples in projects where we wish to learn something useful rather than where we hope to astonish skeptics with fantastic ratings.

It can be seen that there is such an excess of Venus-Mars aspectivity in our sample that even when the two closest Venus-Mars aspects are dropped from the array, the statistical rating is still so great the possibility of its just being pure chance is reasonably ruled out. There are several other planetary combinations with highly significant ratings, such as Moon-Saturn, the Sun to Mars and Neptune, Mercury to the two outermost planets, and Mars-Uranus.

The combinations with lowest ratings are of nearly as much interest to the astrologer as those with highest. For example, the rarity of Moon-Venus and Mercury-Jupiter formations is just what would be expected by even the veriest tyro in astrology. The big surprise, in terms of popular expectations, is the shortage of Sun-Pluto activity. Of the 32 "closed circuit" aspect combinations dealt with, Sun-Pluto aspects have the lowest of all values!

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Incidentally, by not dropping the two extreme cases, the results become 2,920 other persons. In other words, in terms of closeness to partile, the accumulated strength of Venus-Mars forces normally found among 2,920 horoscopes in a cross section of the population is "crammed into the psyches" of our 42 murderers. The relative power of any other planetary pair can be expressed in similar manner.

We must caution the newer student about the folly of jumping to the conclusion that Venus-Mars, Sun-Neptune, Mars-Uranus, and the like, are "the aspects of a murderous disposition" or some such notion. In fact, except for Venus-Mars which figures so prominently in erotic crimes, where an individual case is concerned, the real "offender" may be a pattern not mirrored outstandingly in our bar-charts.

Which is why, naturally, we stressed the difference between the "climate" and "weather" of murder. Aside from the event of murder itself, the common denominator where personality is concerned is plainly the weakness of the frustration tolerance of our subjects. Approached from this angle, the longest and the shortest bars in Fig. #3 are easy to understand.

(Emphasis added.)

-Derek