Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:33 am**

Hello Jim and others, I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide me a natal chart analysis and some advice on potentially suitable vocations.
I have done a lot of self analysis but still come up conflicted and unsure. I have tried to use astrology to aid me in discovering what I am best aligned with, but I am still very much a neophyte when it comes to Sidereal astrology, and based on my current situation in life I feel like I need to get a coherent plan together soon...

Birth data: July 19, 1994, 4:30 PM, Hill Air Force Base, Utah.

1. What sorts of vocation interests you?
I feel drawn to research and teaching in some form. I thrive in researching and documenting topics of interest, of which there are many.

2. What kind of work have you done before that you liked? That you did not like?
-Retail: Strong dislike
-Food service: Strong dislike
-Direct sales: Pure disdain
-Warehouse labor: Dislike
-Financial services: Dislike
-IT support: Tolerable
-IT engineer: Tolerable
-Freelance translator: Liked (with some mixed feelings).
-Ancient manuscript research assistant: Liked
-Archaeological dig assistant: Liked

3. Are you already studying, certified, or licensed in a field? How do you feel about those areas?
I have been studying a particular language for over 10 years. I have worked as a freelance foreign language translator for this language and enjoyed it while I was able to work at my own pace. Researching words and concepts I was unfamiliar with was enjoyable, especially when translating content I enjoyed. But I have have mixed feelings about translation now.
I have a four year degree in the language and region, but no translation certificates or the like.

I recently completed an apprenticeship for a very technical and well paying IT role. As far as I understand, I am now a licensed apprentice in this specific field, and recognized by the department of labor. But I am very bored by the technology after a year of working with it. I initially jumped into this program out of intrigue and need for stable income. I was very successful until boredom snuck up. A few weeks ago I began work on a certificate program in a different area of IT that I am more familiar with and even tinker with some on my own time, but I again quickly felt burnt out and bored with it. It doesn't feel right.

4. Please name three or four or five fields (or kinds of work) you want to seriously consider. For each, please give a sentence (just one or two sentences) about what each job means to you (why you feel positively or negatively about it).

-Research/Professor(?). I really enjoy researching complex topics and breaking down difficult concepts into ordered, well structured ideas that others can understand. I do also very much enjoy sharing newly acquired knowledge with others, usually passionately so. But I while I did well at university, I very much struggled the entire time because I wanted to learn everything, and I did not enjoy being forced into doing specific coursework or seemingly mundane assignments. If I went back to university for further degrees I fear I may become indecisive yet again. Also finances would be a big hurdle. I would lose an income. I have learned that I do not have the capacity to do both work and school.
-Freelance Translation
I enjoy being able to work at my own pace and according to my own schedule. Researching words and concepts I was unfamiliar with was enjoyable, especially when translating content I enjoyed. But I also felt conflicted because I constantly had to face the reality that much is lost in the translation process. I prefer to enjoy the language natively in my mind, without translation. So I have have mixed feelings about translation... But freelancing in general would be great if I could figure how to properly make money and handle the boring business aspect.
-Information Technology
I like computers, both hardware and software. Currently licensed in a specific field, considering moving to another. Pay potential is strong. Stability probably strong. But it quickly becomes boring and unfulfilling when done daily. I prefer tech as occasional tools or toys, not my way to make a living.
-Astrologer?
Somehow I frequently get wrapped up in astrological research for hours without tiring (while I am supposed to be doing something else). I have created multiple detailed Natal charts for friends and myself, making a new one every time I realized my old approach was inaccurate.
-Mystic?
This one may seem silly, but I do not intend for it to be so. I very much want to help people connect more with both nature and their body, and the reality beyond the physical. Money is not very important to me, but I am thinking its unlikely and perhaps even distasteful to make money as a Mystic/Sage etc.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:59 pm**

Let's start with a quick summary of your natal, since you asked - then move on to the particular question. You have Cancer Sun opposite Uranus, a Scorpio Moon opposite Mars, and one powerful aspect structure dominating the chart: A close Venus-Mars-Saturn T-square exactly on angles.

Mars and Saturn are your two strongest planets, with Venus almost tied. Despite the normally peaceful, kind Venus, there is a strong current of hardship, struggle, and probably cruelty in your life. (Whether you experienced it or are the source of it isn't clear. Perhaps both?) Given the number of rebellious, uncooperative, and refusing to fit in elements in your chart and your Cancer Sun, I suspect significant parent issues are still alive and need to be wrestled. Something in your upbringing seems to have created you to insist on being anything at all other than what someone else thinks you should be.

The notes on the next post aren't integrated, they're just component pieces - which is why I added these few preface notes.

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:59 pm**

These notes on your Sidereal Natal Horoscope are provided for your reference and study. They are not a full interpretation of your birth chart. Rather, they are building blocks from which a full interpretation can be built.

Each factor below contributes to your character. The paragraphs may repeat or contradict each other (we all have contradictions). While it does not take an astrologer to fuse these factors into a balanced picture of you and your life, it does require knowledge of human behavior and how we support and sabotage ourselves. Your astrologer can help you in this life-long undertaking of knowing yourself. Read these notes slowly: Feel your way through the interweaving ideas, reflecting on what you know of yourself.

Character is destiny. Who you are determines the life that is yours to unfold. “Know thyself” is the key.

The paragraphs are brief. We have sought to pack in everything essential, to use few words to imply much more. Not every phrase will apply, of course. Some will be more important than others; but the gist of each section should clearly reflect truth about you. When you have spent time with this and have new questions, consult your astrologer to discuss them.

ANGULAR PLANETS & FOREGROUND ASPECTS
Mars on Westpoint (0°20')
COURAGE, ENERGY, AGGRESSION. Independent, determined, persevering, self-willed. Aggressive, challenging, needs to win (combative, quarrelsome). On the go, needs to burn energy, impulsive (strong and untiring when young). Courage (physical and moral: forthright, outspoken, argumentative). Dominates, commands. Business leadership, competitive excellence. Strong sexual drives need frequent satisfaction.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p186

Saturn on Antimeridian (1°08')
INDEPENDENCE, RESERVE, STRUGGLE. Needs to be independent, self-sufficient, self-reliant, private. Survival instincts drive much of the behavior. Industrious, conscientious, methodical, driven (works hard). Struggle (hardship especially in youth, struggle for security, burdensome life demands, or struggling on others' behalf): some are beaten down, most gain strength and endurance. Cautious, prudent, emotionally reserved and careful (may shut others out). Strong parent themes.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p188

Mars square Saturn (0°36')
Struggle, sometimes from early (physical or psychological) hardship, sometimes from prejudice. Some (activists) struggle FOR something, others struggle only against. All are hardened, tough survivors, self-sufficient, maneuvering for control, who seem to make everything harder than necessary. Three typical types are those who (1) accept the hardship and focus most on “getting through”; (2) act meek, frail, gentle, inoffensive; (3) overcompensate as bullies, pushing around those weaker than them. Suppressive experiences leave feelings of weakness, shame, and inadequacy they ultimately need to heal. Conflicts especially with father-authority equivalencies. Most are serious and reserved, cautious about enthusiasms.

Venus on Midheaven (1°31')
PLEASURE, JUSTICE, BEAUTY. Charming, attractive, popular, friendly, gracious. Feels and responds powerfully, forthrightly. Invested in experiencing, absorbing impressions. Loving, caretaking, mothering. Kind, considerate. Ferocious against injustice (personal or social). Acts to reduce their own stress and friction. Needs beauty, enjoys “the good life.” Drawn to pleasure.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p185

Mars square Venus (1°29')
Passion (in all senses), feels powerfully about things. Strong sexual passions mature early, continue late, rarely encumbered by too many conditions. Broadly fun-loving, socially active, loves romance: interesting, likable, sociable, horny people. Relationships, often picked for ferocity, easily hit conflict, strain, or burnout.

Venus opposite Saturn (2°05')
Work, duty, devotion give especial pleasure. Various restrictions (even hardships) in love. Work (with an eye to service) is inherently gratifying; ordinary pleasures may be delayed or sacrificed for responsibilities. Many seem comfortable alone (unpartnered), though there is rarely any sexual restraint (often quite the opposite). Childhood hardship or deprivation often exists (physical or emotional) that shapes adult patterns; many move far from their birthplace to restart their lives. Sober, responsible. Willing to pragmatically sacrifice (even sellout) whatever they need to, for something more important to them.

MOON in SCORPIO
Active, diligent, tough, original, pragmatic. Fun-loving (loves parties, raucous, “try anything”). Humor (often wicked), storytellers. Independent (rebellious). Beliefs unorthodox. Factually forthright, frank, bold; but cautious (non-disclosing) in private matters. Volcanic sexual needs: built pressure needs explosive release. Frequent relationship drama. Easy to anger (it passes). Gossip (sometimes vindictive).
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p149

Moon opposite Mars (4°55' M)
Active-reactive; temper. Detests idleness. Driven, competent, ambitious. Impatient, acerbic, irritable. Frank, sharp-tongued (friction in relationships). Needs physical, emotional, and mental room to breathe. Possible substance abuse. Sexual needs strong, irrepressible.

SUN in CANCER
Thrives within imagination, mystery, and complexity (vision; or lost in fantasy). Lives in others’ shadow; finds purpose in service and emulation. Conceive and deliver results. Persuasive, trusted, instinct for motives. Live in mystery or its resolution: create or solve puzzles. Renewed by home or sanctuary. Sensitive, vulnerable to judgment, self-protective, self-absorbed.
More detail: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35#p158

Sun opposite Uranus (1°50' M)
Go their own way, unapologetically following their own paths, persuaded that they are a “special case.” Resourceful, stimulating, but easily bored (in need of frequent stimulation). Love of freedom: bow to no authority but themselves. Progressive, future-oriented, uninhibited by convention. Adept at creative problem solving. Self-perspective usually founded in objectivity.

Sun trine Pluto (1°39')
“Law unto themselves.” No respect for arbitrary expectations. Antiauthoritarian, needs to be free from arbitrary, incompetent control. Comfortable as outsider; often seems aloof, unresponsive, but rarely harsh. Usually kind, “live and let live.”

MARS in TAURUS
Artists, musicians. Tender, responsive, humane, honest, forthright. Pensive (brooding). Powerful emotions. Romantic soul, affectionate, sensual (sexually popular, flirtatious). Mystic instincts attuned to love. Men may second-guess themselves (ambivalent about aggression) or war for peace.

MERCURY in GEMINI
Mind versatile, agile, alert, curious, restless. Engaging, converses easily. Unusually strong information needs. Easily understands and demonstrates the relationship between facts. Always in motion. Commercially shrewd, sly, cunning, courageous, observant, quick grasp.

Mercury sextile Venus (2°56')
Gracious charmer, persuasive, sweet talker. Light-hearted, pleasant. Pleasure in learning. Retains a playful, childlike sense, a charm of immaturity.

Mercury trine Jupiter (1°34')
Intelligent; seems well-read, educated. Loves ideas and learning, comfortable with words. Good-tempered, kind. Optimistic. Business potential. Always awaiting the next opportunity or break.

VENUS in LEO
Warm, gracious, generous, listens attentively. Child-like delight in wonderful things. Aloof, vain (unpretentious but needs to “look good”). Bold in romance but often happier single (older bachelors). Self-surrender is hard. “Comparison shops” for “right” partner. Early sexual mismatches (unhealthy early relationships). Patrons supporting the arts.

OUTER PLANET ASPECTS
Uranus conjunct Neptune (2°26')
Wanderlust, curious explorer, drawn to peek or push past horizons. Colliding realities and social revision impact the life. Rules have not been discovered for one’s life (maps not yet drawn, “nobody knows what my life is like”). Mythic, ritualistic sense of one’s position in the universal scheme (need to discern one’s role). Knows that life and reality are more mystical and inscrutable (or just plain weird!) than anyone ever said. High-strung, sensitive, easily agitated.

Uranus sextile Pluto (1°06')
Feels unbound by convention or authority; will challenge or dismiss them. Seeks new ideas, new ways, more options. Strong opinions; easily provoked to share them. Restless, impatient, frustrated (angry). In youth, often seems without direction (this usually resolves with maturity).

Posted: **Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:22 pm**

I probably won't make it back to address the vocational elements specifically until tomorrow.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 6:43 am**

Sidus, you were born with a direct midpoint of Mars/MC = Sun, a very potent direct midpoint in your Natal.
For what it may be worth to you---you have good probability for leadership qualities, exactly what kind I don't have a clue, you would know better. From Ebertin’s book “Combinations of Stellar Influences” it says about the tones for this Midpoint:

Power of attainment, urge to become important, a strong will. Desire to attain success in life at all costs, ability to procure the power for giving orders to others, overcoming resistance or obstacles.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:23 am**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:59 pm Mars and Saturn are your two strongest planets, with Venus almost tied. Despite the normally peaceful, kind Venus, there is a strong current of hardship, struggle, and probably cruelty in your life. (Whether you experienced it or are the source of it isn't clear. Perhaps both?) Given the number of rebellious, uncooperative, and refusing to fit in elements in your chart and your Cancer Sun, I suspect significant parent issues are still alive and need to be wrestled. Something in your upbringing seems to have created you to insist on being anything at all other than what someone else thinks you should be.

Hey Jim, I really appreciate the info you've provided so far. I was way off of the angular planets. I admittedly had no idea Mars and Saturn would be dominant, but that just illustrates I have much to learn about this system. Nearly every line of these descriptions is exactly right. The connection between Mars-Saturn-Venus makes sense of a lot of the inner tension and contradictions I seem to have.

I am happy to say that I am not the source of a cruelty pattern in my life(afaik), and I don't use or abuse drugs or alcohol. But maybe I contribute to my own hardship and struggle in some subtle ways. There is definitely a powerful pattern of hardship and struggle in my life, especially the first 20 years, but it has tapered off somewhat. But it still takes a large effort and struggle for me to get life patterns I want to work out.

Entire childhood was characterized by instability, constant change, and struggle. Moved back and forth between divorced parents, step parents, family members. Moved states frequently as a child. Negative and aggressive relationship with father. But we have been on good terms since a few years ago.
I had a lot of death in my life from 2009-2010. Mother committed suicide in 2009 while I was at a friend's house.
I used to be very aggressive physically as a teen, but now I only tend to have inner aggressive emotional responses to stimuli, which is usually quickly overtaken by the desire to avoid violence or conflict. I do my best to avoid conflict and generally prefer to keep the peace and to help others resolve things peacefully if possible. Its quite difficult to make me angry anymore, but if you manage to push me too far... Well, the Mars energy shows for sure, now that I think about it.
The intensity of mars may also show through my passions and interests. I tend to direct a lot of my pent up energy into learning or exploring an idea.
I think all the Venus traits you provided manifest consistently in my life and typically beat out the conflicting Mars traits.

What I think is very fascinating is that my two dominant planets, Mars and Saturn, are connected by the path of Cheth on the Tree of Life. The path corresponds to the Chariot and Cancer, my Sun sign. I wonder how Qabalistically significant that is. In my life, in my inner world, I feel frequently stuck on the edge of a veil, symbolically similar to how the path of Cheth bridges the gap of the Veil of the Abyss. But perhaps this isn't the place to further explore this idea.

I have been trying to glean some insight into the patterns of my chart by comparing them with patterns of names I am familiar with. I discovered some interesting patterns in my own chart in light of what you posted here about occultists: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3686&p=27628&hilit=psychic#p27628

[*]These details are interesting to me because I am actively studying and practicing ceremonial magick, and the path is my primary life focus now. My vocation is needed to support and facilitate this lifestyle.

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Foreground/Angular Planets
4: Mars (?)
3: Sun Jupiter Uranus
2: Moon Mercury
1: Venus Saturn (?)
0: Neptune Pluto
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Common Luminary Aspects I share with your list of occultists:
Su-Sa: 4 (Class 1: Tri-Octile 0°11’)
Mo-Ma: 3 (Class 3: Opposition 7°28’)
Mo-Sa: 3 (Class 3: Square 6°52’)

Other Aspects I share:
4: Ve-Ju(1°33’) Ve-Sa(2°05’)
3: Me-Sa(5°01’) Ve-Ma(1°29’)

An interesting discovery I made a couple months ago by sudden curiosity:
(I know houses and Ascendants are de-emphasized in Sidereal astrology)
My houses according to Campanus: Sun (House 8), Moon (House 1), Mercury (House 8), Venus (House 9), Mars (House 7), Jupiter (House 12), Saturn (House 4), Uranus (House 2), Neptune (House 2), Pluto (House 12). My Ascendant sign is Scorpio.

John Dee, July 13, 1527, 4:12 PM, London, England
---Sun in Cancer (House 8). Moon in Leo (House 9). Scorpio Rising.
Edward Kelley, August 1, 1555, 4:00 PM, Worcester, England.
---Sun in Cancer (House 8). Moon in Virgo (House 9). Scorpio Rising. Mercury (House 8), Saturn (House 4).

Helena Blavatsky was also a Cancer sun iirc.

Unrelated person, but I noticed a pattern of commonalities while perusing:
Johannes Kepler
Mercury (House 8), Jupiter (House 12), Neptune (House 2), Pluto (House 12)

Moon (House 1)
“Restless, moody, subjective, changeable, eager. Response to a given situation not dependable. Strongly responsive to environment. Emotional “feelers” extended; feelings prominent; eager to help a friend”
"Authors of great imagination and story-telling power and a taste of the macabre. Hesitant monarchs or many gentler leaders. Among actors, the women especially have great power. The astrologers are mostly figures of enormous intelligence and rational bearing, though I personally know most of them to have been extremely psychic. Plus the scholar who wrote the most penetrating standard text on the tradition of Moon worship" - Jim E

-Jupiter (House 12)
(A surprising number of sacred figures and spiritual teachers, plus a separate cluster of psychedelia figures. Writers are storytellers of great imagination.)
Names: Johannes Kepler, Alan Leo, Cyril Fagan, Brig. R.C. Firebrace, Joanne S. Clancy

-Pluto (House 12)
(First impression: A volatile placement. The leaders are all over the map though wit a stunning number of regressive conservatives and those who hold tightly to power [not entirely the same group]. Quite a few murderers, but with no easy commonalities. The scientists can generally be credited with transformative imagination.) Jim E
---Names: Pres. James Madison, Pres. Ulysses S. Grant, Pres. Theodore Roosevelt, Pres. Donald Trump, Johannes Kepler, Alexander Fleming, Albert Einstein, Guglielmo Marconi, Fritz Perls, Roberto Assagioli, James A. Eshelman, Michel Gauquelin, King John I, Mary, Queen of Scots, Queen Victoria, King Ludwig II,

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:29 am**

Steve thank you for this insight. I will have to meditate on this one a bit. I have always avoided leading (or following) because I don't want to be responsible for others if I don't have to, but I have demonstrated a pattern of strong leadership when there was no one else to step up. Perhaps a strong, but reluctant leader.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:37 am**

Sidus, your areas of greatest interest - at least, in the way you frame and phrase them - are at odds with your chart. I suspect much of this is in phrasing, in the words you use to think about and describe them - and that your framing and phrasing of these fields doesn't capture what is they actually touch in you (why they are attractive).

Specifically, the areas that attract you most, and (more importantly) WHY you say they attract you are all heavily Mercurial. They are all fields that speak to someone with strong information needs: curiosity, the need to gain and share information and to understand and demonstrate relationships between facts. Yet Mercury and Sun are the two planets least intensely expressed in your chart - the two planets whose needs are least intense in you - the only planets, in fact, that are not on angles or dynamically aspecting a luminary or dignified in a luminary sign. The illustration below shows the proportionate importance of your ten primary, universal needs (needs that we all have, but in different proportions), labelled as the planets:

Sidus Needs.png

There are minor ways your Mercury is emphasized - ways that might have more force if you did not already have such strong, dynamic OTHER energies in your psyche. For example, your Mercury is at the Sun/Moon midpoint; but, even then, it's not within 1° of exact so it is already becoming a weak connection. There's nothing wrong with your Mercury - it's nicely placed in its own sign; its closest aspects being a trine to Jupiter and sextile to Venus; it's only other aspect is a moderate, thoughtful trine to Saturn; and it's in the middleground, neither heavily stressed in your make-up not blocked. It's a perfectly pleasant Mercury that should serve you nicely. What it is NOT, though, is one of the fierce driving forces of your psyche, one of the strong, compelling NEEDS that stream through you.

A vocation should arise from strong, compelling needs.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:48 am**

I do find other patterns that are stronger and MIGHT be what these seemingly-Mercury themes actually have in common. They aren't actually information-exchange-and-management themes... but I wonder if these are the active themes to which you're trying to gives expression.

You are drawn to an enigma. You can get vividly excited by something unknown, especially if it seems a big mystery. The mix and balance of mystery and discovery recurs throughout your chart. Finally, it needs to be an adventure for you, not a job - a real exploration in the sense of classic Lewis & Clark, though more likely an exploration of the mind and psyche than of geography.

Enigma, mystery, discovery, adventure... by chance do these summarize the real driving passions of your soul? Or am I on the wrong track?

I also think you have ambivalent feelings about people. Despite your Cancer Sun and culminating Venus, I'm not so sure you like being around people. (Or maybe those two chart traits are what make it possible for you to be around them much at all.) Possibly the ambivalence comes from power issues, because a strong, recurrent theme in your chart is not wanting to let anyone else tell you what you have to do or how you have to act. You can pull out the charm when you need to, but I suspect you'd prefer not to have to do it.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:00 am**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:23 am I was way off of the angular planets. I admittedly had no idea Mars and Saturn would be dominant... Nearly every line of these descriptions is exactly right. The connection between Mars-Saturn-Venus makes sense of a lot of the inner tension and contradictions I seem to have.

This will make it simple to see. Based on the birth data you gave:

15°04' Leo - Venus
16°33' Tau - Mars
16°58' Leo - Midheaven
17°09' Aqu - Saturn

Plus, Moon is in Scorpio. If Mars were not already at 100% strength, the Scorpio Moon would boost it further.

I am happy to say that I am not the source of a cruelty pattern in my life(afaik), and I don't use or abuse drugs or alcohol. But maybe I contribute to my own hardship and struggle in some subtle ways. There is definitely a powerful pattern of hardship and struggle in my life, especially the first 20 years, but it has tapered off somewhat. But it still takes a large effort and struggle for me to get life patterns I want to work out.

Entire childhood was characterized by instability, constant change, and struggle. Moved back and forth between divorced parents, step parents, family members. Moved states frequently as a child. Negative and aggressive relationship with father. But we have been on good terms since a few years ago.

This seems to confirm that basic correctness of the chart. (As you will see in a post above, I started seeing some discrepancies that made me wonder if I had the right birth information.)

I did see you were born on an AFB, meaning a military family... probably a military father... with strong dad-connections in the chart and yet numerous indications of resisting anything authoritarian. I suspected that was where a lot of the tensions originated. (Very sorry to hear about your mother. After all of these years, it continues to surprise me how often people with Moon in Scorpio [Moon's fall] have emotionally severe mother experiences, even when the mother is not herself severe. Your Moon is also closer to opposite Mars than it looks ecliptically: mundanely, they are less than 5° apart.)

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:08 am**

With that theme identified, let's look at some basic worker traits from your chart.

Though softened by Venus on Midheaven, your chart is dominated by malefics - the Mars-Saturn angularities and aspects. Their struggle theme is a positive trait in the workplace. You're prone to work hard and take on difficult things. I don't see anything in your list that involves intense physical work, though that would be something the Mars-Saturn could take up easily. (Jupiter is background. Despite your Cancer Sun, you probably feel more at peace pushing yourself hard than having extended leisure.)

Sun is your weakest planet (in the immediate background). Moon isn't particularly strong except that you're a Cancer, so of course Moon is strong. On the Sun-Moon balance, you lean more toward being service-oriented and willing to be flexible, adaptable, and fluid than the opposite. (This isn't a driving theme in your psyche, just something you can take to easily.) From your notes, I see that this does not extend to such things as food service. Given the bulk of things in your chart, I suspect it doesn't apply to the hospitality industry overall, despite Cancer's ease at personal hospitality.)

With Sun opposite Uranus plus the Mars-Saturn themes (and a widely foreground Pluto that also aspects Sun), you likely have unresolved issues with authority. This means that, while you're willing to work hard and work well, you don't take well to close management. You probably do best when you are left to do your work alone, accessing other resources (support, team, information) as you need them.

On a similar point, the antisocial planets are overall stronger than the social planets in your chart (Venus being the one stand-out exception, and even Venus is heavily afflicted). This repeats the idea that you work better in situations that have more independent working than highly interactive working.

All of that said, Cancer Sun is usually the sort of person management can go to when they want to get things done. Adding your "tackle anything" nature, you could become a definite "go to guy" when something needs to be made to work. Though the workplace doesn't usually think of these traits in feminine terms (there is still a lot of sexism in corporate thinking), Cancer's best worker traits are definitely maternal themed: You have a gift for conceiving, developing, and delivering. You can take something somebody else created and polish or present it. You instinctively package great ideas for better presentation. (Read the full Sun in Cancer interpretation for more of this.)

Michel Gauquelin identified four broad categories of measurable professional eminence, themed to the angularity of Moon, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. You are a mixed Mars-Saturn type. As an example of specific occupations (not that this is the main point - they're just examples), Mars was found on angles for soldiers, athletes, executives, and doctors (and not for artists or writers). Saturn was found on angles for scientists and doctors (and not for actors, journalists, writers, or artists).

On examination, the Saturn occupations are fields that benefit from Saturn’s positive traits, requiring such things as years of rigorous training, discipline, careful attention to rote and repetitive steps, and less artistic creativity and dependence on connection to other people. Mars traits give advantage to competitive, driven, physically active fields in which one can dominate the terrain and perhaps use one’s muscles.

Saturn favors any field that needs driven, industrious endurance, perseverance, and persistence, from physical laborer to executive. Medicine and other sciences requiring rigor, conscientious method, detail, long training. Saturn is suited to construct, order, acquire, conserve, and retain. Mars workers are independent, self-willed, aggressive, competitive, persevering, dominating, and controlling. They need to burn energy (physically or mentally). They want their own way, to make their own decisions and run their own show (but, in a military sense, they respect the chain of command). Soldiers, athletes, executives, doctors, physical trainers, realtors, high-pressure sales, other competitive and blood pressure straining fields, sex professionals, law enforcement, and anything relying on muscles and strength. Few teachers have an angular Mars (unless they are also coaches), perhaps because of empathy issues. Exactly the opposite, though, Venus types ("pure Venus") are charming, gracious, considerate, popular, friendly, pleasing, funny, loving, caretaking, and devoted. They overlap with Mars in needing to see personal or social justice. They needs work setting and conditions that reduce stress and friction for them (although other parts of your chart thrive on the opposite).

These are the pieces we have to work with. Now we just have to compare all of this to your "work wish list" looking for fits. - Do you agree with the assessment so far? Understanding YOU is the key to this selection process.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:26 am**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:48 am I do find other patterns that are stronger and MIGHT be what these seemingly-Mercury themes actually have in common. They aren't actually information-exchange-and-management themes... but I wonder if these are the active themes to which you're trying to gives expression.

You are drawn to an enigma. You can get vividly excited by something unknown, especially if it seems a big mystery. The mix and balance of mystery and discovery recurs throughout your chart. Finally, it needs to be an adventure for you, not a job - a real exploration in the sense of classic Lewis & Clark, though more likely an exploration of the mind and psyche than of geography.

Enigma, mystery, discovery, adventure... by chance do these summarize the real driving passions of your soul? Or am I on the wrong track?

The above gave me chills to read because it struck a cord. I think you are on the right track. I usually learn because I am trying to discover something. I don't learn for the sake of learning. I want to explore the nature of the mind and psyche, but also of reality, what operates behind Assiah.

I also think you have ambivalent feelings about people. Despite your Cancer Sun and culminating Venus, I'm not so sure you like being around people. (Or maybe those two chart traits are what make it possible for you to be around them much at all.) Possibly the ambivalence comes from power issues, because a strong, recurrent theme in your chart is not wanting to let anyone else tell you what you have to do or how you have to act. You can pull out the charm when you need to, but I suspect you'd prefer not to have to do it.

Yes, I am very ambivalent about people. I both love them deeply and want to be close in some way, but I also want to keep a safe distance and love them from afar. I can use charm and am very good at interacting and communicating when I have to, essentially as you said, (I have zero charm in internet based communication haha).

Side note, I seem to have a tendency to almost interrogate people for information when they know something I want to know. Sometimes I can do this while remaining charming, but I know sometimes it comes a cross as intense and I have to suppress it.

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 8:42 am**

I think you are starting to see what astrology's real value is for this kind of question: It's about learning about yourself - uncovering what you are really all about, finding what drives you most from the inside out. Astrology - especially as practiced by Sidereal astrologers - can unlock WHO A PERSON IS like nothing else on the planet can do.

Then the hard part is making that fit into available jobs, LOL!

You gave a long list of things that interest you, all of which I take as seeming imperfect fits to you. They all seem on the right track, though (at least in certain respects), so I can see the interest.

We've covered a lot of ground. I don't have a simple answer. I think we should do this: After you digest the ground we've covered, see if you have any more questions. Or perhaps the characteristics that have been identified give you what you want (since it's not exactly like we have a menu of jobs you can order off of).

Posted: **Thu Oct 26, 2023 9:13 am**

With that theme identified, let's look at some basic worker traits from your chart.

Though softened by Venus on Midheaven, your chart is dominated by malefics - the Mars-Saturn angularities and aspects. Their struggle theme is a positive trait in the workplace. You're prone to work hard and take on difficult things. I don't see anything in your list that involves intense physical work, though that would be something the Mars-Saturn could take up easily. (Jupiter is background. Despite your Cancer Sun, you probably feel more at peace pushing yourself hard than having extended leisure.)

My body is not built for long term physical labor. I'm basically a twig. I do tend to feel much better when I am working hard. I have trouble allowing myself to enjoy leisure time.

Sun is your weakest planet (in the immediate background). Moon isn't particularly strong except that you're a Cancer, so of course Moon is strong. On the Sun-Moon balance, you lean more toward being service-oriented and willing to be flexible, adaptable, and fluid than the opposite. (This isn't a driving theme in your psyche, just something you can take to easily.) From your notes, I see that this does not extend to such things as food service. Given the bulk of things in your chart, I suspect it doesn't apply to the hospitality industry overall, despite Cancer's ease at personal hospitality.)

Flexible and adaptable, yes.

With Sun opposite Uranus plus the Mars-Saturn themes (and a widely foreground Pluto that also aspects Sun), you likely have unresolved issues with authority. This means that, while you're willing to work hard and work well, you don't take well to close management. You probably do best when you are left to do your work alone, accessing other resources (support, team, information) as you need them.

Yes.

On a similar point, the antisocial planets are overall stronger than the social planets in your chart (Venus being the one stand-out exception, and even Venus is heavily afflicted). This repeats the idea that you work better in situations that have more independent working than highly interactive working.

Yep.

All of that said, Cancer Sun is usually the sort of person management can go to when they want to get things done. Adding your "tackle anything" nature, you could become a definite "go to guy" when something needs to be made to work. Though the workplace doesn't usually think of these traits in feminine terms (there is still a lot of sexism in corporate thinking), Cancer's best worker traits are definitely maternal themed: You have a gift for conceiving, developing, and delivering. You can take something somebody else created and polish or present it. You instinctively package great ideas for better presentation. (Read the full Sun in Cancer interpretation for more of this.)

I believe this last line is particularly accurate, but I think I have only used this approach to teach on a few occasions. Most of my repackaging is kept to myself in my notes.

Saturn favors any field that needs driven, industrious endurance, perseverance, and persistence, from physical laborer to executive. Medicine and other sciences requiring rigor, conscientious method, detail, long training. Saturn is suited to construct, order, acquire, conserve, and retain. Mars workers are independent, self-willed, aggressive, competitive, persevering, dominating, and controlling. They need to burn energy (physically or mentally). They want their own way, to make their own decisions and run their own show (but, in a military sense, they respect the chain of command). Soldiers, athletes, executives, doctors, physical trainers, realtors, high-pressure sales, other competitive and blood pressure straining fields, sex professionals, law enforcement, and anything relying on muscles and strength. Few teachers have an angular Mars (unless they are also coaches), perhaps because of empathy issues. Exactly the opposite, though, Venus types ("pure Venus") are charming, gracious, considerate, popular, friendly, pleasing, funny, loving, caretaking, and devoted. They overlap with Mars in needing to see personal or social justice. They needs work setting and conditions that reduce stress and friction for them (although other parts of your chart thrive on the opposite).

I bolded the points I can relate to strongly. On the topic of empathy, I am very empathetic and sensitive to the emotions of people around me which plays a big role in why I avoid people. I can feel and intuitively discern the tensions between people in a room and it can drain me if the moods/emotions are negative. It is often easy for me to read and understand the emotions of others (in person).

Posted: **Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:09 pm**

Hello, Sidus. You've mentioned that you moved states as a child. Did you move significantly far away from your birth location at a young age? Do you now live significantly far away from there?

I see that you have a 10° multiple Sun-Mercury aspect only 13' wide. That may be a noteworthy layer to weigh in given the nature of your discussed interests.

Also, your Novien Saturn and Neptune (in very close aspect to each other) closely aspect your natal Sun. The symbolism fits what you mentioned about wanting to explore the nature of "reality." It also fits your stated early life history (struggle and instability), money not being very important to you, and perhaps the issue of bridging what you want to do with a way to support yourself materially.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:24 am**

ANGULAR PLANETS & FOREGROUND ASPECTS
Mars on Westpoint (0°20')
Saturn on Antimeridian (1°08')
Venus on Midheaven (1°31')

Hey Jim, I was wondering if you could help me understand how you arrived on the above being my strongest planets. I downloaded Mike's TMSA version 0.4.9.2 and tried to calculate my Natal chart.

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 26Sc55'26"  2N32 +14°18' 261° 1' 20S39 154°31' +24° 5' 313°55'  17%  b
Su  2Cn32' 9"  0N 0 +57'15" 119°16' 20N43 303°11' - 4°58' 174° 4'  91% D 
Me 12Ge21'47"  1S59 + 1° 8'  97°33' 21N16 320° 0' -16°46' 154°53'   6%  b
Ve 15Le17'32"  1N 3 + 1° 7' 161°54'  8N48 266°22' +17°35' 197°37'  63%   
Ma 16Ta41'36"  0S12 +41'29"  69°51' 21N57 345°57' -25°41' 116°47'  47%   
Ju 10Li34'55"  1N 7 + 3'10" 213°20' 12S13 206°48' +32°38' 234°51'  99% Z 
Sa 17Aq 8'53"  1S52 - 2'32" 343°57'  8S52  85° 1' -19°10'  19°14'  60%   
Ur 29Sg34'32"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 126° 0' + 6° 3' 352°33'  86% A 
Ne 27Sg 8'48"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 127°31' + 8°16' 349°37'  73%   
Pl  0Sc41' 7" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 179°46' +43°29' 270°14' 100% M 
Er 23Pi51'55" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  50°35' -46° 3'  53°19'   3%  b

It appears that Pluto has the strongest angle, which is what I thought prior to your posting.

If I am misunderstanding could you please direct me to where I can learn to calculate my strongest planets myself?

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:41 am**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:24 am

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 26Sc55'26"  2N32 +14°18' 261° 1' 20S39 154°31' +24° 5' 313°55'  17%  b
Su  2Cn32' 9"  0N 0 +57'15" 119°16' 20N43 303°11' - 4°58' 174° 4'  91% D 
Me 12Ge21'47"  1S59 + 1° 8'  97°33' 21N16 320° 0' -16°46' 154°53'   6%  b
Ve 15Le17'32"  1N 3 + 1° 7' 161°54'  8N48 266°22' +17°35' 197°37'  63%   
Ma 16Ta41'36"  0S12 +41'29"  69°51' 21N57 345°57' -25°41' 116°47'  47%   
Ju 10Li34'55"  1N 7 + 3'10" 213°20' 12S13 206°48' +32°38' 234°51'  99% Z 
Sa 17Aq 8'53"  1S52 - 2'32" 343°57'  8S52  85° 1' -19°10'  19°14'  60%   
Ur 29Sg34'32"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 126° 0' + 6° 3' 352°33'  86% A 
Ne 27Sg 8'48"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 127°31' + 8°16' 349°37'  73%   
Pl  0Sc41' 7" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 179°46' +43°29' 270°14' 100% M 
Er 23Pi51'55" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  50°35' -46° 3'  53°19'   3%  b

It appears that Pluto has the strongest angle, which is what I thought prior to your posting.

It appears that - for reasons not clear to me - we are using birth times several hours apart. Your figures above calculate a Moon of 26°55 Scorpio, whereas I get 24°01' Scorpio. That's a 2°54' difference, which is about five hours different.

You gave your birth data as: July 19, 1994, 4:30 PM, Hill Air Force Base, Utah. Hill AFB at 41N08'00" 11w59'47" was in the Mountain Daylight Saving Time zone on July 19, 1944. At July 19, 1994, 16:30 MDT, Moon was at 24°01' Scorpio.

You also show your Pluto near Midheaven whereas it was just about 9° above Ascendant for this date and time. It looks to me like you calculated your chart for a time that is five hours off, more like 9:30 PM. This isn't exactly right, either, since 9:30 PM gives Moon 27°00', 5' later than yours. If I calculate your chart for 9:22 PM instead of 4:30 PM, I duplicate your results.

So, to answer your question... The real question is, why did you calculate your chart for 9:22 PM MDT?

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:42 am**

Patrick Machado wrote: Fri Oct 27, 2023 2:09 pm Hello, Sidus. You've mentioned that you moved states as a child. Did you move significantly far away from your birth location at a young age? Do you now live significantly far away from there?

I see that you have a 10° multiple Sun-Mercury aspect only 13' wide. That may be a noteworthy layer to weigh in given the nature of your discussed interests.

Also, your Novien Saturn and Neptune (in very close aspect to each other) closely aspect your natal Sun. The symbolism fits what you mentioned about wanting to explore the nature of "reality." It also fits your stated early life history (struggle and instability), money not being very important to you, and perhaps the issue of bridging what you want to do with a way to support yourself materially.

I live 1800 miles from my birth place, but still in the US. Could you help me understand the significance of this 10° multiple Sun-Mercury aspect?

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:47 am**

So, to answer your question... The real question is, why did you calculate your chart for 9:22 PM MDT?

I apologize. I am new to the software as well as calculating anything on my own. I entered 04:30 PM for the Time. MDT for Timezone. I think my mistake comes from "TZ Corr". I used the local sidereal time of 10:52 West. I am not sure which time to use for this slot.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:50 am**

Here is how the data input should look.

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Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:56 am**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:50 am Here is how the data input should look.

Ah. That resolved it, thank you. Also thanks to Mike for this great software!
Now I just need to learn how to properly "read" all the data points.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:30 am**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:56 am Now I just need to learn how to properly "read" all the data points.

You have now been here long enough for some hidden forums to open. One of these is a preview of a three-volume book I'm taking three years to write, codename CSA. I post access to previews of chapters up to the stage of their current completion (incomplete, not the final editing). You are entitled to download copies for your own PRIVATE use (not to recirculate in any form whatsoever) and to give me feedback in that forum.

If you are so inclined to treat the available chapters as a front-to-back course, you would be doing me a favor to do that and give me feedback. The book is broken into three overlapping sections (Foundations, Intermediate, Expert): I encourage you to completely ignore the Intermediate and Expert sections until you feel completely comfortable with all Foundations material of the entire book.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 2:06 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 9:42 amI live 1800 miles from my birth place, but still in the US.

Your relocated chart(s) could be significant. In particular, you could possibly have your Mercury foreground where you live or have lived. This could have colored your history and interests, in addition to your natal chart. (Without knowing the specifics, this is merely a hypothesis which I might be jumping the gun on.)

Could you help me understand the significance of this 10° multiple Sun-Mercury aspect?

That of an important Sun-Mercury aspect (see here), to be layered on after your chart's primary factors have been taken into account. It gives a further emphasis to Mercury in your character (to which your chart wouldn't be inimical otherwise, anyway).

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:05 pm**

It just occurred to me: You probably thought Pluto was your strongest planet because ECLIPTICALLY it is super close to Ascendant. However, a planet's angularity isn't measured ecliptically but spatially (best measured along the prime vertical.

Your Pluto at 0°41' Scorpio superficially looks like it is very close to your 2°32' Scorpio Ascendant. However, along the prime vertical, Pluto is 9°06' above Ascendant. You get a similar result if you measure it in altitude: Pluto is 8°47' above horizon. - In either case, about 9°.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:04 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 4:05 pm It just occurred to me: You probably thought Pluto was your strongest planet because ECLIPTICALLY it is super close to Ascendant. However, a planet's angularity isn't measured ecliptically but spatially (best measured along the prime vertical.

Your Pluto at 0°41' Scorpio superficially looks like it is very close to your 2°32' Scorpio Ascendant. However, along the prime vertical, Pluto is 9°06' above Ascendant. You get a similar result if you measure it in altitude: Pluto is 8°47' above horizon. - In either case, about 9°.

Ah, okay, that clears one thing up for me. I was confused about that.

You have now been here long enough for some hidden forums to open. One of these is a preview of a three-volume book I'm taking three years to write, codename CSA. I post access to previews of chapters up to the stage of their current completion (incomplete, not the final editing). You are entitled to download copies for your own PRIVATE use (not to recirculate in any form whatsoever) and to give me feedback in that forum.

If you are so inclined to treat the available chapters as a front-to-back course, you would be doing me a favor to do that and give me feedback. The book is broken into three overlapping sections (Foundations, Intermediate, Expert): I encourage you to completely ignore the Intermediate and Expert sections until you feel completely comfortable with all Foundations material of the entire book.

I would be happy to read your book. I cant make any commitments on how fast I will work through it, but I would be more than willing to provide feedback along the way. Could you link me to where I can access this work?

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 6:10 pm**

For security reasons, I'm being very careful not to give any full links to non-public stuff in the public section (or even talk too much about it existing). You should be able to look down the listing of forums and find the CSA project in a few seconds.

Posted: **Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:13 pm**

Your relocated chart(s) could be significant. In particular, you could possibly have your Mercury foreground where you live or have lived. This could have colored your history and interests, in addition to your natal chart. (Without knowing the specifics, this is merely a hypothesis which I might be jumping the gun on.)

I just created a relocated chart and... it looks like your hypothesis was exactly correct.

Here is my Natal chart at place of birth. I fine tuned the coordinates slightly, to the location of the Hospital itself:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 102°53' -17° 0'  17°25'  63%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 254°52' +47°45' 228°46'   8%  b
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14 271°24' +31°48' 211°49'  38%   
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 182°26' +57°47' 268°28'  99% M 
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56 288°52' +11°50' 192°29' 100% W 
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 127° 8' +19°20' 336°15'  10%  b
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 358°14' -57°44'  91° 7' 100% I 
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47  78°25' -46°20'  46°55'  11%  b
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4  79°50' -43°50'  44°17'  16%  b
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 105° 9' + 8°48' 350°53'  79% A 
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8 301°14' -41°23' 134° 9'  16%  b
------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo tr Er  0°10'100%      Mo oc Ju  1°33' 59%       Mo op Ma  7°28' 42%  
Su oc Ma  0°47' 89%      Su op Ne  5°11' 71%       Mo sq Sa  6°52' 15%  
Su oc Sa  0°11' 99%      Me tr Sa  5° 1' 53%       Ma sx Er  7°19'  5%  
Su op Ur  1°50' 93% M    Ve sx Ju  4°30' 62%       Ju tr Sa  6°35' 21%  
Su tr Pl  1°39' 95%      Ma oc Ur  1°58' 36%                            
Me sx Ve  2°56' 83%      Ne sx Pl  3°32' 76%                            
Me tr Ju  1°34' 95%                                                     
Ve sq Ma  1°29' 96%                                                     
Ve op Sa  2° 5' 95%                                                     
Ve oc Ur  0°29' 96%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°36' 99%                                                     
Ur co Ne  2°26' 94%                                                     
Ur sx Pl  1° 6' 98%                                                     
Ur sq Er  2°46' 85% M                                                   
Ne sq Er  0° 9'100% M

Now here is the new Relocated Natal chart:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 123°29' + 8°48' 349°30'  73%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 280°17' +22° 7' 202°27'  54%   
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14 292°18' + 5°28' 185°54'  91% D 
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 237°54' +48°42' 233°20'   3%  b
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56 309°58' -13°14' 162°57'  39%   
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 158° 6' +39°19' 294°29'  51%   
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51  55°21' -50°12'  55°34'   1%  b
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 102°41' -20°26'  20°54'  57%   
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 103°29' -17°51'  18°19'  62%   
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 129° 2' +34°11' 318°51'   8%  b
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8 344°48' -61°33'  98° 5'  83% I 
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo tr Er  0°10'100%      Mo oc Ju  1°33' 59%       Mo op Ma  7°28' 42%  
Su oc Ma  0°47' 89%      Su op Ne  5°11' 71%       Mo sq Sa  6°52' 15%  
Su sq Ju  2° 2' 92% M    Me tr Sa  5° 1' 53%       Ma sx Er  7°19'  5%  
Su oc Sa  0°11' 99%      Ve sx Ju  4°30' 62%       Ju tr Sa  6°35' 21%  
Su op Ur  1°33' 95% M    Ma oc Ur  1°58' 36%                            
Su tr Pl  1°39' 95%      Ur sq Er  5°43' 40%                            
Me sx Ve  2°56' 83%      Ne sx Pl  3°32' 76%                            
Me tr Ju  1°34' 95%      Ne sq Er  3°17' 79%                            
Me sq Er  2°10' 91% M                                                   
Ve sq Ma  1°29' 96%                                                     
Ve op Sa  2° 5' 95%                                                     
Ve oc Ur  0°29' 96%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°36' 99%                                                     
Ur co Ne  2°26' 94%                                                     
Ur sx Pl  1° 6' 98%

Sure enough Mercury is the most angular planet...
I started reading the CSA chapter on these relocated charts. It may now be important to note that I lived at my birth place of Utah for less than one year. I moved to a new state within a year of birth, first one state away, then over 2000 miles to the east, then all the way to Hawaii in the West by age 5. I continued to move after that. I have been in my current location for the longest period by far: 14 years. Does that mean that a chart drawn for my current location is more representative of me than my original natal chart? Should I use the relocated chart to interpret myself instead?

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:02 am**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:13 pm Does that mean that a chart drawn for my current location is more representative of me than my original natal chart? Should I use the relocated chart to interpret myself instead?

Relocated charts are important, but never as important as the natal chart. The natal chart shows the nature of the moment and place you were born, which (as long as you have your present body) is the essence of who you were born to be.

But, as an aside... where do you live now?

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:48 am**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:02 am
sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:13 pm Does that mean that a chart drawn for my current location is more representative of me than my original natal chart? Should I use the relocated chart to interpret myself instead?
Relocated charts are important, but never as important as the natal chart. The natal chart shows the nature of the moment and place you were born, which (as long as you have your present body) is the essence of who you were born to be.

But, as an aside... where do you live now?

Cary, NC. Quite far from my birthplace. I have lived in this general RDU (Raleigh-Durham) area since 2009. What are your interpretations of the information? My relocated chart seems to make sense of the emphasized Mercurial traits and lack of Mars energy in my life.

Edit: I finished reading the CSA chapter on local charts. I believe I understand the situation now. Basically I have been developing Mercurial attributes and habits in my life while I've been under Mercury's strong influence these past 14 years. Since my Natal Mars and Saturn, as well as Venus have had comparatively little development, I am curious how they play into who I am at this moment. How might they work with my current Mercury focused self?

Posted: **Sun Oct 29, 2023 1:32 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Oct 28, 2023 10:13 pmSure enough Mercury is the most angular planet...

It's a tad on the wider side for a relocated chart, but it is fitting that Mercury is your most foreground planet in the area where you took on the professional training and work that you did. Also, there are Moon/Mercury and Sun/Mercury midpoints to angles, which could be important.

That Sun-Jupiter mundane square for the location is good for you: it adds something of ease amidst all of the natal Saturn (and overall malefic) pile-up. You're more likely to thrive and prosper there than at, say, your birthplace.

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 7:48 amMy relocated chart seems to make sense of the emphasized Mercurial traits and lack of Mars energy in my life.

There shouldn't be a lack of Mars energy in your life. What you might have perceived as lack is most likely complexity from your Venus-Mars-Saturn combination (which, by the way, continues to be fundamental to who you are regardless of location). Your Mars is in detriment, in close dynamic aspect to its polar opposite, Venus—which we might take as softening Mars, so to speak—and to the constraining, resisting Saturn.

Also, Sun is your least prominent planet. Sun and Mars are more alike than most pairs of planets, so you could have taken something as related to Mars that is actually related to Sun.

Posted: **Tue Oct 31, 2023 3:22 pm**

I have done some further research based everyone's comments and what I have learned elsewhere in the forums.

First, here are some reasons Mercurial traits may be emphasized in my life:
-Born with Mercury in Gemini, the sign of its rulership.
-Several Class 1 aspects that seem to emphasize Mercurial traits:
-Me tr Ju 1°34' "Love of ideas and learning." "Intelligent with a well-read (but not particularly scholarly) edge."
-Su sq Ju 1°47' M "Mind could be philosophical / religious."
-Me sx Ve 2°56' "Delights in learning (learns easily)."
-Mercury has been my most foreground planet for 14+ years, 8-9° orb I think.

My Local chart of the past 14 years (My current location, Cary NC):
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Pl Longitude Lat Speed RA Decl Azi Alt PVL Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28" 2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 123°29' + 8°48' 349°30' 73%
Su 2Cn20'33" 0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 280°17' +22° 7' 202°27' 54%
Me 12Ge 8' 4" 2S 2 + 1° 7' 97°18' 21N14 292°18' + 5°28' 185°54' 91% D
Ve 15Le 4' 0" 1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41' 8N54 237°54' +48°42' 233°20' 3% b
Ma 16Ta33'11" 0S12 +41'30" 69°42' 21N56 309°58' -13°14' 162°57' 39%
Ju 10Li34'16" 1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 158° 6' +39°19' 294°29' 51%
Sa 17Aq 9'23" 1S52 - 2'31" 343°57' 8S51 55°21' -50°12' 55°34' 1% b
Ur 29Sg35' 1" 0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 102°41' -20°26' 20°54' 57%
Ne 27Sg 9' 8" 0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 103°29' -17°51' 18°19' 62%
Pl 0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22' 5S24 129° 2' +34°11' 318°51' 8% b
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3" 23°24' 8S 8 344°48' -61°33' 98° 5' 83% I
------------------------------------------------------------------------

But I need some advice.

To cut to the absolute heart of the matter here, my main desire is to achieve KnC w/ HGA and operate in my True Will (to those who understand). Whatever the ideal circumstances (location, vocation, etc) are to best facilitate that, that is what I seek. I would think having a strong Sun is especially important based on its Astrological and Qabalistic significance. And since I am walking the Ceremonial Magick path, then I would think that a strong Mercury would be ideal as well. Angular Uranus and Neptune also look to be potentially beneficial for this path, especially if they're working in tandem to balance each others extremes.

Or would it be better to move to a location where Mars, Saturn, and Venus are angular again, as at birth? I somehow feel that would be counter intuitive though.

I am thinking that relocating to a place where several benefic planets are strong would also naturally aid me in establishing a solid vocation.

With the aid of an Astro Map (from astro-seek.com), I used TMSA to create numerous local charts for cities around the world, especially US cities. The US cities of particular interest to me are in southeastern New Hampshire. They are of interest because they bring several planets close to the foreground. This is very interesting to me because New Hampshire was actually the top state on my two year old list of places I might want to move in the US, for mundane philosophical reasons. I think the state is quite compatible with several aspects in my chart emphasizing liberation and freedom. For example Su op Ur 1°12'.

Anyway, I made a chart for several cities throughout NH. I give my local chart for Nashua, New Hampshire, below as a good example:
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Pl Longitude Lat Speed RA Decl Azi Alt PVL Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28" 2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 129°35' + 9°14' 348° 5' 66%
Su 2Cn20'33" 0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 282° 4' +17°52' 198°15' 98% W
Me 12Ge 8' 4" 2S 2 + 1° 7' 97°18' 21N14 296°19' + 3° 8' 183°30' 97% D
Ve 15Le 4' 0" 1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41' 8N54 239°38' +40°12' 224°25' 16% b
Ma 16Ta33'11" 0S12 +41'30" 69°42' 21N56 316°42' -12°36' 161°57' 34%
Ju 10Li34'16" 1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 168°22' +34°18' 286°28' 65%
Sa 17Aq 9'23" 1S52 - 2'31" 343°57' 8S51 57°18' -41°35' 46°32' 12% b
Ur 29Sg35' 1" 0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 104°39' -16°31' 17° 3' 99% E
Ne 27Sg 9' 8" 0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 105°49' -14° 5' 14°37' 100% Ea
Pl 0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22' 5S24 139°42' +33°23' 314°28' 16% b
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3" 23°24' 8S 8 0°12' -55°22' 89°52' 100% I
------------------------------------------------------------------------

The further East I go of Nashua, the stronger my sun and Jupiter becomes. The further South I go, the stronger Mercury becomes. In order to strengthen my Moon I have to go further North. (Do I want or need my Moon strong?

In the Nashua chart above, I believe the Sun is angular (please tell me if im wrong). Mercury looks close to being angular, but I am not sure. I am fairly certain that both Uranus and Neptune would be considered angular.

This chart appears to be much stronger than the one for my current location.

I believe moving to NH would intensify my Ur co Ne 2°26' aspect by quite a bit. Would it not become one of the strongest aspects in my chart?

Also, Upon moving to NH I would gain the following aspects:
Ju sq Ur 0°35' "Minds interested in and well-suited to science, philosophical inquiry, and self-inquiry (knack for astrology)."
Ju sq Ne 1°51' "Drawn to religious, spiritual, mystical matters; yet also science. (The commonality probably is a macro, all-inclusive world-view.)"

As a side note, Falmouth, MA appears to be my strongest Sun-Mercury-Jupiter location in the North America. However, I would prefer New Hampshire.

Given the information above, what are your thoughts?
Also, if you know of better locations please let me know. The astro map I was using does not make it easy to see all the information.

P.S.
I made most of these revelations during a Uranus Octile Mercury Transit of less than 0°50 orb, together with a Pluto Octile Saturn of less than 0°50 orb also active (not to mention the full moon). They remain active for now, so gotta make sure to get the info in before the window closes

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Posted: **Tue Oct 31, 2023 4:48 pm**

Your Mercury for Cary is just 5°54' off the angle. See under the PVL column in TMSA: 185°54', the Descendant being at 180°.

In any case, I'd point to the Sun-Mercury aspect I mentioned rather than the non-luminary Mercury aspects you mentioned. They characterize your Mercury, but they don't characterize you as Mercurian.

Also, I think it's important not to lose sight of the exploration and adventure theme highlighted earlier in the thread, which speak of your interests and goals in—from what I'm gathering—a deeper and more comprehensive way. I think Mercury has something to say about the course of your life, but I don't think it's at the core of the matter. The core is largely in the initial interpretations our host has provided you with.

Pursuing a Sun angularity is a fine idea in principle, except perhaps due your Sun's tight octiles to Mars and Saturn, thus being at their midpoint. But since they're octiles, Mars and Saturn won't be angular together with Sun. But they're angular in your natal anyway, so it might not make a difference. Now, if you could get that mundane Sun-Jupiter square in a tight orb, it becomes an easier decision.

Or you could simply aim for the Jupiter. Your Jupiter is in a fine state natally (with an unobjectionable moderate sextile to Venus, and even tying into the Mercury with which you're preoccupied), and your Sun's constellation is Jupiter's exaltation. Expressing Jupiter is expressing a core part of yourself. It is also the planet of spiritual aspiration, so there you go.

I'd stay away from Neptune (though wouldn't worry if it's tagging along desirable planets more widely).

Posted: **Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:08 pm**

I'm unclear whether there is a specific question here (or, if so, what it is).

I will volunteer that everything you list about Mercury above is an exceedingly minor factor. None of them turn it into a defining planet in the sense of making its fundamental needs prominent in your psyche. You are less mercurial than any planet type except for Sun. Even the local Mercury angularity is quite weak - barely noticeable. (I even checked local parans, which we have been investigating lately, and found nothing Mercury related.)

Here is the potency (as a percentage of maximum strength) of your ten fundamental needs categories. (I gave it before as a proportion of each planet in the psyche. These are the raw strengths of the needs.)

100% - Mars Saturn
99% - Venus
----------------------
95% - Uranus
90% - Moon Jupiter
79% - Pluto
72% - Neptune
---------------------
38% - Mercury
8% - Sun

Posted: **Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:41 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:08 pm I'm unclear whether there is a specific question here (or, if so, what it is).

I will volunteer that everything you list about Mercury above is an exceedingly minor factor. None of them turn it into a defining planet in the sense of making its fundamental needs prominent in your psyche. You are less mercurial than any planet type except for Sun. Even the local Mercury angularity is quite weak - barely noticeable. (I even checked local parans, which we have been investigating lately, and found nothing Mercury related.)

Here is the potency (as a percentage of maximum strength) of your ten fundamental needs categories. (I gave it before as a proportion of each planet in the psyche. These are the raw strengths of the needs.)

100% - Mars Saturn
99% - Venus
----------------------
95% - Uranus
90% - Moon Jupiter
79% - Pluto
72% - Neptune
---------------------
38% - Mercury
8% - Sun

“It's a perfectly pleasant Mercury that should serve you nicely. What it is NOT, though, is one of the fierce driving forces of your psyche, one of the strong, compelling NEEDS that stream through you”

Reading this again, it still just feels off to me. Maybe I'm in denial about who I am.

“These are the pieces we have to work with. Now we just have to compare all of this to your "work wish list" looking for fits. - Do you agree with the assessment so far? Understanding YOU is the key to this selection process.”

I feel as though I’m falling short in the realm of understanding. To be honest I am feeling very confused, because while the aspects you provided originally do accurately describe me, my natal foreground planets and their associated traits/patterns don’t feel particularly important to me at all. The associated job fields are not at all what I feel drawn to, nor could I see myself doing most of them. Scientist, maybe, but as I mentioned before going back to school is not something I can easily see myself doing. Since my Mars-Saturn-Venus are my strongest needs, would you suggest moving to where these planets are angular? I was born with a weak Sun and had many health problems at birth… But strengthening those planets means weakening my Sun. That is concerning to me. I want to strengthen my already shaky vitality, not weaken it. Also, wouldn't having them foreground increase manifestation Saturnian-Mars life events?

With my previous post I was trying to ask you what might be the ideal places to relocate to in order best develop myself to accomplish my goals? I was thinking relocating would position me to more easily discover my vocation and operate optimally.

My intents and thoughts are in this block of text. I was asking for thoughts on this:

To cut to the absolute heart of the matter here, my main desire is to achieve KnC w/ HGA and operate in my True Will (to those who understand). Whatever the ideal circumstances (location, vocation, etc) are to best facilitate that, that is what I seek. I would think having a strong Sun is especially important based on its Astrological and Qabalistic significance. And since I am walking the Ceremonial Magick path, then I would think that a strong Mercury would be ideal as well. Angular Uranus and Neptune also look to be potentially beneficial for this path, especially if they're working in tandem to balance each others extremes.

Or would it be better to move to a location where Mars, Saturn, and Venus are angular again, as at birth? I somehow feel that would be counter intuitive though.

(To Jim) I have noticed that whenever I mention magick you seem to avoid referencing or commenting on it even though I have expressed several times now that it is an important part of my aspirations. Do you prefer to avoid the subject on these forums to avoid negative associations? If so, I apologize.

Posted: **Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:04 pm**

Your Mercury for Cary is just 5°54' off the angle. See under the PVL column in TMSA: 185°54', the Descendant being at 180°.

Ah! Okay, now I understand. I was doing it the hard way by trying to use the astro map to figure it out. Thank you for pointing this out.

Also, I think it's important not to lose sight of the exploration and adventure theme highlighted earlier in the thread, which speak of your interests and goals in—from what I'm gathering—a deeper and more comprehensive way. I think Mercury has something to say about the course of your life, but I don't think it's at the core of the matter. The core is largely in the initial interpretations our host has provided you with.

I definitely see the exploration and adventure as driving themes when it comes to my interests, but in light of that I fail to see how Saturn and Mars could be part of my core nature. How would they be involved?

Posted: **Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:15 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:41 pm Since my Mars-Saturn-Venus are my strongest needs, would you suggest moving to where these planets are angular?

You don't need to. They're extremely close to angles at birth (that's why their needs are strongest). No matter where you go on Earth, you have these three exactly angular. (You never lose your natal chart.)

I was born with a weak Sun and had many health problems at birth… But strengthening those planets means weakening my Sun. That is concerning to me. I want to strengthen my already shaky vitality, not weaken it. Also, wouldn't having them foreground increase manifestation Saturnian-Mars life events?

As already said, you already have them angular. You don't have to go anywhere to get them. You always have them.

Putting your Sun on an angle is a great idea, especially with your goals and the vitality issues you mentioned. The one way to do that in the U.S. is Sun square MC due north-south through the longitude of Portland, ME.

With my previous post I was trying to ask you what might be the ideal places to relocate to in order best develop myself to accomplish my goals? I was thinking relocating would position me to more easily discover my vocation and operate optimally.

There are so many places to pick depending on what you want to develop. The Sun line is one good idea. You have no Jupiter lines in the U.S. (barely have them in colder parts of Canada), and your two angular Venus lines also brings the Venus-Mars-Saturn so probably should be avoided. The north-south band through Arizona, Utah, etc. is one of these. The band across central Texas curving to northern Wisconsin is another area to probably avoid (where Venus-Saturn squares Asc).

So I think the Sun line is best, or go outside the U.S. (Beijing? Perth? Central Europe? Santiago?

(To Jim) I have noticed that whenever I mention magick you seem to avoid referencing or commenting on it even though I have expressed several times now that it is an important part of my aspirations.

I don't want to turn this forum into a forum on magick. I'll answer concrete questions but, for example, don't want to cut (by discussion) into anything that, say, would take a dozen to a hundred posts discussing exactly what the K&C of the HGA is. So I put it exactly in the same balance as if you'd asked how to get more exercise or find cheaper groceries in your neighborhood.

It has nothing to do with negative associations, though I suspect it would drive away people who come here simply looking for astrology.

When you consider that the single most important and best thing I have ever written for Sidereal astrology is the book Visions & Voices and that it has been almost 100% ignored by the entire Sidereal community, you perhaps get my point about the topic chasing people away even if they are passionately interested in Sidereal astrology.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:18 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:15 pm
Putting your Sun on an angle is a great idea, especially with your goals and the vitality issues you mentioned. The one way to do that in the U.S. is Sun square MC due north-south through the longitude of Portland, ME.

So I think the Sun line is best, or go outside the U.S. (Beijing? Perth? Central Europe? Santiago?

Thank you!
I did a bit more calculating. These are the places where my Sun and Jupiter are strongest:
-Santiago, Chile (Sun and Jupiter at 100%)
-Ciudad Guayana, Venezuela (Sun and Jupiter at 100%)
-Ankang, China (Sun and Jupiter at 100%)
-Palampang, Indonesia (Sun and Jupiter at 100%)
-al-Fashir, Sudan (Sun and Jupiter at 100%)
(Beijing and Anchorage are strong locations as well, but not fully angular)

...but moving to these locations would be a bit difficult. I would love to visit Santiago someday though. Another thing I noticed is that whenever my Sun and Jupiter are both strong, then Uranus and Neptune are tagging along at high angularity as well. So it looks like there is no avoiding Neptune if I want more benefic energy in my life. I am not too worried about Neptune though. As far as I can see it does not have any malefic aspects.

Concerning my Sun's angularity, how much will the benefits and effects diminish if I move 1° (maybe 2°) west of perfectly angular? For example, moving to Manchester, NH, instead of Portland, ME. I know up to 7° off a major angle is considered angular, but I cant find anything that discusses tapering of strength when moving from the angle.

I don't want to turn this forum into a forum on magick. I'll answer concrete questions but, for example, don't want to cut (by discussion) into anything that, say, would take a dozen to a hundred posts discussing exactly what the K&C of the HGA is. So I put it exactly in the same balance as if you'd asked how to get more exercise or find cheaper groceries in your neighborhood.

It has nothing to do with negative associations, though I suspect it would drive away people who come here simply looking for astrology.

When you consider that the single most important and best thing I have ever written for Sidereal astrology is the book Visions & Voices and that it has been almost 100% ignored by the entire Sidereal community, you perhaps get my point about the topic chasing people away even if they are passionately interested in Sidereal astrology.

I see. I get your point. My initial introduction to astrology came at the same time I got into magick, so I simply considered it one of several essential tools. But I can understand how its important to allow it to stand on its own so that it can be accepted by the wider scientific community, who are usually dismissive of "mystical practices". Your work absolutely demonstrates that astrology is a science. It is measurable, its outcomes repeatable. I will do my best to keep discussion of this topic to a minimum.

I think it is a real shame that your book has been ignored. But it's their loss. Perhaps the world is not ready to face the implications of your research. However, I believe your work will be pivotal in establishing Sidereal Astrology as a respected science.

Posted: **Thu Nov 02, 2023 2:52 pm**

Anything within 3° of a major angle will be strongly felt. 1°, no problem, still very strong. 2° a clear notch down but still strong (especially in contrast to its natal place). 3° is still a very strong presence. Beyond that, it's not a stand-out.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:18 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 7:48 am You are drawn to an enigma. You can get vividly excited by something unknown, especially if it seems a big mystery. The mix and balance of mystery and discovery recurs throughout your chart. Finally, it needs to be an adventure for you, not a job - a real exploration in the sense of classic Lewis & Clark, though more likely an exploration of the mind and psyche than of geography.

I have gone back through this forum, this topic, several times over the past few months trying to understand myself and how the data illustrates me. It has been difficult for me to decipher because my angular planet configuration and luminary signs don't seem very agreeable, and my interests are extremely diverse.

Rough summary of key data:
-Angular Saturn(100%): Scientist, Doctor
-Angular Mars(100%): Executive, Doctor, Athlete, Soldier
-Angular Venus(99%): Ease, art, beauty?
-Mercury-ruled Gemini: most common sign for physicians(?).
-Not Artist, Writer, or Musician.
-Need to have independence in work.
-Likes to work hard.
-Antisocial.
-Uranus fundamental need at 95%. "Unconventional paths. Diverse possible occupations usually selected for maximum freedom of thought and movement, to evade conflicts with authority, and to avoid boredom. Drawn to science, inquiry, discovery, technology, novelty (absorbs ideas quickly)."
-Sun in 8th House: Contemplative, probes mysteries of existence (grand overview of life), need to solve problems. (Mercury also in 8th House)
-Pluto (House 12): The scientists can generally be credited with transformative imagination. (Einstein, Kepler, Eshelman, etc.)
-MC sign info N/A
-Venus sign Leo: loves to be athletic(?)

Taking personal preferences into consideration, and based on the above and other patterns I have found, the "Scientist" type appears to be the strongest starting point. I see also Doctor, and perhaps Psychotherapist in some ways. Is this a logical conclusion?

Also, I was wondering, what exactly does the Scientist or Doctor category describe in Gauquelin's statistics? I'd like to know which specific professions he placed in these categories.

I previously noted that I was not planning to return to university for further education, mainly because because I was under the assumption that I wouldn't be able to afford it, but I just discovered that Germany's public universities are tuition-free (wish I would have known this years ago!). In Cologne, Germany, I have Jupiter 96%, Sun 100%, and Uranus 85% angular. I know the Mercury line is typically recommended for getting an education, but Jupiter with Uranus support could be good as well, no?

If can simply figure out what I should study, perhaps I will go back to school.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:39 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:18 pm Also, I was wondering, what exactly does the Scientist or Doctor category describe in Gauquelin's statistics? I'd like to know which specific professions he placed in these categories.

I can't tell you for sure. I'd have to find the data catalogues in storage and read page after page of thousands of names. I know that essentially it's eminent medical doctors and scientists.

Oh, wait, maybe this is the list: https://opengauquelin.org/group/scientist

In terms of complexity: Yes, astrology is complex. (I have long sections in the book in progress about the nature of complexity and emergence and how to train and use your mind go manage the complexity.) A starting point is to look at your luminary signs and then, within their context, understand that the relative importance of the ten primary planet-based needs is as follows (given above):

100% - Mars Saturn
99% - Venus
----------------------
95% - Uranus
90% - Moon Jupiter
79% - Pluto
72% - Neptune
---------------------
38% - Mercury
8% - Sun

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 6:01 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:39 pm Oh, wait, maybe this is the list: https://opengauquelin.org/group/scientist

Thank you, this is a big help!

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 5:39 pm A starting point is to look at your luminary signs and then, within their context, understand that the relative importance of the ten primary planet-based needs is as follows (given above):

I didn't explicitly state it, but in my above summary I tried to factor the top few fundamental needs in, at least down to Uranus. It seems that a Scientist or similar field is compatible with these needs. I think perhaps even that Jupiter's needs could be nourished here, if I understand correctly. I will check for patterns in the database you provided to see if I can narrow down the options.

Posted: **Wed May 08, 2024 3:37 pm**

As I continue the process of trying to navigate potential career change I took several different career assessments, which overall seem to support the stronger patterns in my natal chart.

CareerHunter’s report, the most comprehensive career assessment of the bunch, took me several hours and consisted of six tests: Career Interests, Work Personality, Career Motivators, Verbal Reasoning, Numerical Reasoning, and Abstract Reasoning. I post the results below. Note: much of the mid scoring careers are cut off to cut down on post size.

Screenshot from 2024-05-08 18-20-10.png

Since I currently work in IT and feel rather unfulfilled I think its important note the matches here:
Database Administrator - 59%
Information Security Analyst - 59%
Computer Programmer - 59%
Computer Network Architect - 56%
Systems Software Developer - 56%
Web Administrator - 56%
It Project Manager - 55%

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Truity career test:
1.Physician or Surgeon
2.Dentist
3.Physicist or Astronomer
4.Podiatrist
5.Optometrist

CareerExplorer by Sokanu
(I condensed these results into themes to save space)
-Medical professions
-Science(Archaeology being one)
-Psychology
-Teaching

In taking these tests I have found it is easy to respond from a sort of conditioned frame of mind. I ended up retaking the more comprehensive test while taking my time to meditate on each question, to consider which action I would naturally have an inclination to take, rather than what I would "ideally" like to take or what I think would be “best for me.” I have noticed that I have the tendency to be an idealist in these tests, to select what I think is best for me or optimal rather than thinking deeply about what my natural preference and tendencies are. To reduce this effect, for each question I tried to think of examples in my life of how I respond to the situations described in the questions.

In light of these results I have returned to deep introspection and made some reconsiderations.

Regarding how I feel about people, I initially agreed that I feel ambivalent toward toward them, a sort of love/hate situation. Upon further consideration I have narrowed down how I really feel. I actually very much enjoy spending time with people so long as our interaction is one on one and in-person. I become reserved or frustrated with people in groups as I feel I am not able to connect on a meaningful level. Group interaction just feels too impersonal and overwhelming. I also realized that when I have worked in positions where the interaction was transactional, such as in sales, I felt like I was doing a disservice to people by urging them to buy things that I didn’t think they needed. It felt disingenuous. I need the feeling or conviction that I am genuinely helping a person with what I am doing, that I am providing a genuine service.

In my position in IT I feel like I am not helping anyone, and I am beginning to think that’s a missing component for me. I both want to use my brain to work on complex problems AND to feel like I am directly helping people.

I initially disregarded the idea of working in anything remotely medical simply because I had a pattern of bad experiences growing up. But then I realized, for the past decade while trying to learn all I can about gentle methods to heal myself naturally, I have also been sharing with friends and family along the way. Teaching and sharing what I've learned out of a desire to help those around me find the healing that I’ve found. Perhaps I could do some good by getting a proper education in this area?

I stumbled upon a very attractive degree program that provides a grounding in both western and eastern medical practice. I’ve reviewed the curriculum and find myself drawn to it. Its rigorous, but held in high regard. Location is within reach (but far from any planetary lines).

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2024 5:31 am**

The only job that I know of that encompasses all your needs (and wants) is a bookstore owner, which is something the world needs more of as a whole. A small local bookstore to serve the community you live in will provide you hard work, mystery, research, one on one, storytelling, healing, and a daily sence of purpose. I get the feeling you might pawshaw that idea, but I strongly feel that if you with your Cancer moon truly want to connect and help your community then you would be a good person to give them a safe, loving, diverse, and protected place for everyone to come to.

Posted: **Thu May 09, 2024 4:31 pm**

Veronica wrote: Thu May 09, 2024 5:31 am The only job that I know of that encompasses all your needs (and wants) is a bookstore owner, which is something the world needs more of as a whole. A small local bookstore to serve the community you live in will provide you hard work, mystery, research, one on one, storytelling, healing, and a daily sence of purpose. I get the feeling you might pawshaw that idea, but I strongly feel that if you with your Cancer moon truly want to connect and help your community then you would be a good person to give them a safe, loving, diverse, and protected place for everyone to come to.

I actually do like the idea overall. Being surrounded by books and helping others find information they need sounds wonderful.
However, I have some reservations. My biggest concern would be that I have no capital to invest in a business and I have never had any business savvy or drive. This paired with the fact that Amazon is increasingly putting small bookstores in a difficult position makes me very pessimistic about this option. I also don't know if I like the idea of being anchored to one place for an extended period. Perhaps at the right location on a beneficial line...
By the way, did you mean to say my Scorpio moon? Not sure if you mistyped or misread my moon sign.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2024 4:57 am**

Oops, no I meant your Cancer Sun. Sorry about that.

From my understanding most people dont have the money to put behind an idea or dream, but they have enthusiasm. If you have enthusiasm and passion for bringing to your community a resource that will help build your community stronger as bookstores do, then I doubt you will have trouble finding the money to make it so.

As for not liking the idea of being anchored to one place for an extended period of time....that's a very human feeling that many people experience when they are not living in the moment but reflecting on the past or projecting into the future. It is a false assumption that human beings need to tether themselves to some career for 60, 50, 40, 30, 20 even 10 years. The only constant thing is change and humans are adept at navigating change when the moment arises. If your community needs a small little nook of books to browse and explore Amazon isnt going to ever be able to serve them that, no book from Amazon smells like a book from a bookstore.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2024 1:07 pm**

Veronica wrote: Fri May 10, 2024 4:57 am Oops, no I meant your Cancer Sun. Sorry about that.

No problem. Easy mistake.

I appreciate your insight. I think you make a good point about perception of the moment vs projecting into the future.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2024 1:12 pm**

Can someone help me discern whether a return to school this Fall 2024 would be favorable based on my chart? I am not sure how to interpret the "ideal time to do X" in astrology.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2024 1:39 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:12 pm Can someone help me discern whether a return to school this Fall 2024 would be favorable based on my chart? I am not sure how to interpret the "ideal time to do X" in astrology.

Going simply by transits, Uranu will cross your Descendant around the start of September and through the fall. That's good for changing environment, changes in general, and exposing yourself to new, renewing circumstances with elements of discovery. Whether that means going back to school is less certain, but I can certainly see them coinciding. - Saturn is still toying with your Moon for a while but, exactly at the start of September Jupiter opposes your Moon - a time to feel good and experience fortune and comfort with what you are doing.

Progressed Moon opposes your Sun in August, usually signaling a time for a n e w "phase" or shift in your life.

Ah, here's what I was looking for: Solar arc Mercury squares your Jupiter. This is perfect for education success. However, it peaked six months ago (has been operative for about 18 months and has no more than six months to go), so I don't think it's a significant factor in whatever you may do in te fall.

Where are you currently lo located? (And, separately, where do you plan to spend your birthday.) We can look at the solar return as well.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2024 1:48 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 1:39 pm Where are you currently lo located? (And, separately, where do you plan to spend your birthday.) We can look at the solar return as well.

Currently located in Cary, NC. Will most likely be in the Raleigh, NC area by the time of my birthday.

Posted: **Mon May 13, 2024 3:38 pm**

You may not want to spend your birthday in North Carolina: It brings a year of Saturn's transit to your Moon as your main feature.

If you like, I can see if there is somewhere else in the country that might make for a good birthday trip.

Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Sidus Natal Chart Analysis and Vocation Advice

Sidus Natal Chart Analysis and Vocation Advice

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