Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:52 am**

Hello again Solunars! I hope you are all doing well.
For the past several months I have been trying to use astrocartography to help me narrow down some locations wherein I can thrive. I have used Astro.com's map and TMSA by Mike, but there are so many variables involved in this analysis that I am feeling a bit overwhelmed and confused. Could someone help me out? I'd love to know what areas in the world are best for me to live for spiritual attainment, peace, health, and maybe some financial stability.

I am currently eyeing the Nordic countries, with Asia as a secondary region, but I am open to other suggestions. I am accustomed to (and love) learning foreign languages, so no problem there.

Birth data: July 19, 1994, 4:30 PM, Hill Air Force Base, Utah.
Currently in Cary, NC.

Side question: Does anyone have an opinion on how accurate or helpful Astro's live map is? (https://www.astro.com/cgi/aclch.cgi?btyp=acm)

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:24 am**

This is a continuation of this thread: https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7959
(No need to duplicate what has already been gone over.)

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:28 am**

There is no place on Earth where your Venus is angular without strongly highlighting the affliction s from Mars and Saturn - they're all goo close. Therefore, there is no place to single out love as a specific feature.

Your Jupiter is unencumbered and matches all of your other locational goals. (Love then c comes in under the broad heading of "life is really good in general.") So, the locational strategy is would be to find places where your Jupiter is as exactly angular as possible and none of the malefics comes to the angles. An angular Sun also wouldn't hurt, and even a bit of the Sun with Uranus as a supplemental idea, as long as we can keep the Neptune backed off.

The basic tactic, then, is: Go for an exact Jupiter line, avoiding any intersections or close overlaps with malefic lines.

As for the tool you asked about, I' not going to try it... too tedious for me to worry about learning their system when I tools at least as good. It's useful if it's useful to you. From maps on that site that have made their way here in the past, I know that the defaults are to include trines and sextiles to angles which are 100% worthless, so don't get caught in that.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:56 am**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:24 am This is a continuation of this thread: https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7959
(No need to duplicate what has already been gone over.)

I apologize if this seems to be a duplicate. In that thread I was more focused on vocation, and here vocation is of secondary concern to me. I'm mainly looking for a location that benefits spiritual/self-realizing pursuits and will help me feel at peace.

In Oslo and Bergen Norway my Sun is highly angular, but my Sun is background. Is a background Sun in anyway something to avoid? I understand reduced Sun themes, but are there negative health implications? Where I am currently I frequently struggle with fatigue that makes it difficult to have sustained effort in either mental or physical pursuits. No depression issues, nor do I have diagnosed health issues.

Relocated chart: Oslow, Norway

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 206° 3' + 6°17' 194° 5'  69%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 347°24' - 8°36' 145°16'   2%  b
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14   7°56' - 8°33'  47°27'  10%  b
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 304°11' - 8°14' 170° 4'  75% D 
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  33° 7' - 3° 2'   5°33'  92% A 
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 248°46' - 2° 0' 177°51'  99% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 122° 7' + 7°20' 351°22'  81% A 
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 170° 8' + 7°51' 321°10'   5%  b
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 172°41' + 8°47' 309°29'  26%   
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 231°10' +14° 6' 197°53'  62%   
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  87°27' -10°52'  10°53'  74%

In the above chart Saturn and Mars appear to be loosely angular. However, Jupiter appears pretty strong. In the case of this location, would the above balance produce a favorable environment, or should I push Mars and Saturn below 75%?

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:17 am**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:56 am
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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 304°11' - 8°14' 170° 4'  75% D 
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  33° 7' - 3° 2'   5°33'  92% A 
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 248°46' - 2° 0' 177°51'  99% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 122° 7' + 7°20' 351°22'  81% A 
In the above chart Saturn and Mars appear to be loosely angular. However, Jupiter appears pretty strong. In the case of this location, would the above balance produce a favorable environment, or should I push Mars and Saturn below 75%?

The Mars and Saturn are probably too weak to matter in the face of Jupiter in the immediate foreground.

The natal isn't like a return chart or ingress where "if it doesn't cross the line to foreground, it doesn't exist." In those cases, pushing below the outer foreground limit would cause their square to effectively disappear from the chart. Not true here - you have the square regardless, no matter where you life - so the real consideration here is the closely angular Jupiter and, secondarily, the moderately angular Mars. Saturn and Venus are relatively negligible.

This might even be ideal since the primary effect is Jupiter, which, by itself, has the potential to be lazy. The moderately foreground Mars and minimally foreground Saturn probably put a bit of effort and hard work into the mix. A combination of luck and consistent hard work is probably the best mix for actual success.

It's not about a sharp cutoff so much as a general weighting of each factor in due proportion.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:30 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:17 am
The natal isn't like a return chart or ingress where "if it doesn't cross the line to foreground, it doesn't exist." In those cases, pushing below the outer foreground limit would cause their square to effectively disappear from the chart. Not true here - you have the square regardless, no matter where you life - so the real consideration here is the closely angular Jupiter and, secondarily, the moderately angular Mars. Saturn and Venus are relatively negligible.

This might even be ideal since the primary effect is Jupiter, which, by itself, has the potential to be lazy. The moderately foreground Mars and minimally foreground Saturn probably put a bit of effort and hard work into the mix. A combination of luck and consistent hard work is probably the best mix for actual success.

It's not about a sharp cutoff so much as a general weighting of each factor in due proportion.

These details are extremely helpful. Thank you!

Do you have any thoughts regarding my question on the background Sun?

sidus_illuminans wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 9:56 am In Oslo and Bergen Norway my Sun is highly angular, but my Sun is background. Is a background Sun in anyway something to avoid? I understand reduced Sun themes, but are there negative health implications? Where I am currently I frequently struggle with fatigue that makes it difficult to have sustained effort in either mental or physical pursuits. No depression issues, nor do I have diagnosed health issues.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:00 pm**

I don't worry about background placements in relocation. Part of "you never lose your natal" is that a planet is never less strong than it is in the birth chart.

It's not quite true that you can just pick the larger strength score of natal vs. local for each planet - natal and local angularity mean somewhat different things - but something like that is in effect, as reflected in the fact that a planet is always at least as strong as it is in your natal.

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:29 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 1:00 pm I don't worry about background placements in relocation. Part of "you never lose your natal" is that a planet is never less strong than it is in the birth chart.

It's not quite true that you can just pick the larger strength score of natal vs. local for each planet - natal and local angularity mean somewhat different things - but something like that is in effect, as reflected in the fact that a planet is always at least as strong as it is in your natal.

Ahh, that's good to know. Thank you

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Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:45 pm**

I think I've identified my strongest Jupiter-Venus pairs. I was very excited to discover that I am able to bring Venus somewhat to the foreground while Keeping Jupiter at full strength. I wonder if the slightly stronger Venus in Bergen is worth the much more angular Mars that comes with it. Venus here is at least stronger than Mars and has a very strong Jupiter to work with.

Bergen, Norway

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 201° 3' + 6°56' 198°42'  61%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 342°22' - 7°26' 156°41'  12%  b
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14   2°51' - 8°20'  71°18'  31%   
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 299°22' - 5°42' 173°28'  89% D 
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  28°16' - 4° 0'   8°24'  82% A 
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 244° 6' + 0°16' 180°18' 100% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 117°20' + 4°45' 354°39'  92% A 
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 165° 7' + 6°49' 335° 4'   7%  b
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 167°37' + 7°51' 327°15'   1%  b
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 225°54' +15°48' 201°31'  56%   
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  82°37' -13°31'  13°37'  69%

Stavanger, Norway

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 201°30' + 8°11' 201°25'  56%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 342°41' - 8°51' 152°23'   2%  b
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14   3°14' - 9°45'  71°48'  34%   
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 299°35' - 6°35' 172°27'  85% D 
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  28°41' - 5° 9'  10°39'  74%   
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 244°28' + 0°42' 180°47' 100% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 117°34' + 5°35' 353°42'  90% A 
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 165°27' + 8°14' 330° 4'   0%  b
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 167°57' + 9°17' 321°57'   4%  b
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 226°35' +16°39' 202°22'  55%   
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  83°18' -13°29'  13°34'  69%

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:49 pm**

My advice is to keep your Venus out of the foreground. In your case, think of Venus as a malefic. Given its aspects, bringing it to an angle is sure to make heartbreak a centerpiece experience of a location, at least over time.

I thought I'd mentioned that - that the goal is to put your Jupiter as close to an angle as possible and keep your Venus and malefics away from an angle.

For these locations, your Venus-Saturn is even closer than for your birthplace because the mundane aspect is closer. At birthplace, the aspect is 2°05' (it's ecliptical orb). But the mundane aspect is closer in the north, just over 1° (1°11' in Bergen and 1°15' in Stavanger.

Of course, you don't have to take my advice

Posted: **Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:25 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:49 pm My advice is to keep your Venus out of the foreground. In your case, think of Venus as a malefic. Given its aspects, bringing it to an angle is sure to make heartbreak a centerpiece experience of a location, at least over time.

I thought I'd mentioned that - that the goal is to put your Jupiter as close to an angle as possible and keep your Venus and malefics away from an angle.

For these locations, your Venus-Saturn is even closer than for your birthplace because the mundane aspect is closer. At birthplace, the aspect is 2°05' (it's ecliptical orb). But the mundane aspect is closer in the north, just over 1° (1°11' in Bergen and 1°15' in Stavanger.

Of course, you don't have to take my advice

You definitely mentioned it, but I think I misunderstood. I know my Venus is linked to the malefics, but I noticed that its not a 1:1 scaling in some places, so I thought it was possible to gain the benefits of Venus while minimizing the effects of the malefics by positioning it with a strong Jupiter (as I thought I had done above..). I appreciate you catching me on that. Man, that's really a shame though.

So for me, Venus, Mars, Saturn, and Neptune, ought to be kept out of the foreground? I guess I'll see if I can strengthen my Sun, Moon, or Mercury while paired with Jupiter. I don't think any of those can be brought to the foreground in my chart while Jupiter is there, however.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:18 pm**

I think Denmark may have the best balance for me in light of what I've learned.
I've included some data below that I am working through to try and narrow down which specific areas would be optimal.

Cary to Copenhagen

-Jupiter moves from middleground to foreground, becoming highly angular.
-Eris becomes more angular.
-Moon, Sun, Mars, Neptune, and Uranus remain middleground.
-Saturn, Venus, and Pluto move from background to middleground.
-Mercury moves from foreground to background.

-Gain Mo co Pl 0°20'100% M
-Gain Ma co Er 0°20'100% M

-Lose Su sq Ju 2° 2' 92% M Class 1 Aspect
-Lose Me sq Er 2°10' 91% M Class 1 Aspect
-Lose Ma sx Er 7°19' 5% Class 3 Aspect

-Venus opposite Saturn (2°05') [95%] Class 1 Aspect strengthens slightly to (1°31') [96%] M
-Sun opposite Uranus (1°50' M) [93%] Class 1 Aspect weakens slightly to (2°46') [92%]

Copenhagen compared to other Danish cities:

-In Odense: Jupiter becomes more angular, Sun moves to background, Eris from background to middleground.
-In Aarhus: Jupiter becomes more angular, Sun and Uranus move to background, Eris from background to middleground. Thinking it may be desirable to keep Uranus from moving to the background.
-The two new aspects, Mo co Pl and Ma co Er, fluctuate in strength between each of the cities, being strongest in Copenhagen.

Copenhagen, Denmark

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 208° 0' + 9°34' 199°46'  59%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 348°59' -12°54' 129°52'  25%   
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14   9°48' -12°32'  52°35'   4%  b
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 305°14' -11°26' 166° 6'  56%   
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  34°56' - 5°58'  10°20'  74%   
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 250°12' - 1°27' 178°27'  99% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 123°12' +10°25' 347°37'  64%   
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 171°45' +12° 8' 303°43'  35%   
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 174°20' +13° 3' 293° 3'  53%   
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 233°46' +15°53' 199°26'  60%   
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  89°47' -10° 0'  10° 0'  92% E

Odense, Denmark

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 206° 1' +10°26' 202°46'  54%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 346°53' -12°58' 134°36'  15%  b
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14   7°44' -13° 4'  59°54'   0%  b
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 303°15' -10°35' 167°24'  62%   
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  33° 2' - 6°56'  12°34'  71%   
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 248°24' - 0°11' 179°48' 100% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 121°14' + 9°33' 348°53'  70%   
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 169°40' +12°16' 309°31'  26%   
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 172°14' +13°14' 299°52'  42%   
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 231°49' +17° 4' 201°20'  56%   
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  88° 2' -11°14'  11°15'  73%

Aarhus, Denmark

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 24Sc 1'28"  2N18 +14°18' 257°55' 20S40 205°48' + 9°47' 201°37'  56%   
Su  2Cn20'33"  0N 0 +57'15" 119° 3' 20N45 346°45' -12°12' 136°40'  12%  b
Me 12Ge 8' 4"  2S 2 + 1° 7'  97°18' 21N14   7°32' -12°19'  58°59'   0%  b
Ve 15Le 4' 0"  1N 4 + 1° 7' 161°41'  8N54 303°13' -10° 6' 167°59'  65%   
Ma 16Ta33'11"  0S12 +41'30"  69°42' 21N56  32°50' - 6°20'  11°35'  73%   
Ju 10Li34'16"  1N 7 + 3' 8" 213°20' 12S13 248°15' - 0°22' 179°36' 100% D 
Sa 17Aq 9'23"  1S52 - 2'31" 343°57'  8S51 121°11' + 9° 4' 349°26'  72%   
Ur 29Sg35' 1"  0S32 - 2'24" 296°15' 21S47 169°32' +11°30' 311°46'  21%  b
Ne 27Sg 9' 8"  0N37 - 1'37" 293°28' 21S 4 172° 6' +12°28' 301°52'  38%   
Pl  0Sc41'14" 14N 5 - 0'33" 236°22'  5S24 231°29' +16°40' 200°57'  57%   
Er 23Pi51'56" 16S37 - 0' 3"  23°24'  8S 8  87°45' -11°18'  11°19'  73%

It appears to me that Copenhagen has the best balance, but Odense is essentially right on the Jupiter line. I'm not sure how much that 1° difference really matters in Jupiter's placement.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:25 pm**

The degree and a half orb for Jupiter is still plenty close, although, of course, the less-than-half-a-degree at the other two is stronger. They're all Class 1. For a solar return, I'd pay much closer attention to the orb, wanting the benefic within 10' if possible, but that's not as big a deal here.

It's close enough that I'd next look at the changes in mundane aspects to see if that made a difference.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:54 pm**

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:25 pm It's close enough that I'd next look at the changes in mundane aspects to see if that made a difference.

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure how to do that. Can TMSA calculate the mundane aspects for me?

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 4:56 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 3:54 pm Hmm, I'm not exactly sure how to do that. Can TMSA calculate the mundane aspects for me?

It does it automatically and integrates them into the aspectarian. Here are your aspects (using my preferred orbs, so yours may look slightly different - just showing Class 1 and 2.

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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects    
Su oc Ma  0°47' 92%      Mo op Ma  4°55' 74% M 
Su oc Sa  0°11'100%      Mo oc Ju  1°33' 72%   
Su op Ur  1°50' 96% M    Su op Ne  4°28' 78% M 
Su tr Pl  1°39' 95%      Ve sx Ju  4°30' 62%   
Me sx Ve  2°56' 83%      Ma oc Ur  1°58' 55%   
Me tr Ju  1°34' 95%      Ne sx Pl  3°32' 76%   
Ve sq Ma  1°29' 96%                                                     
Ve op Sa  2° 5' 95%                                                     
Ve oc Ur  0°29' 97%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°36' 99%                                                     
Ur co Ne  2°26' 94%                                                     
Ur sx Pl  1° 6' 98%

Three mundane aspects shown marked by an M. Ecliptically you have a Sun-Uranus opposition that is 2°46', but mundanely it is 1°50' wide - a bit closer. More dramatically, ecliptically your Moon-Mars aren't in any aspect (at least not within 7°), but they have a 4°55' mundane square. Similarly, your Sun-Neptune is a little closer mundanely than ecliptically, so the mundane orb is shown.

If an aspect exists both ecliptically and in prime vertical longitude, TMSA shows whichever is the smaller orb. Sometimes the differences are more dramatic than we see here.

In case you're curious, here are my current default orbs. (I'll come back and delete this image later.)

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Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:42 pm**

Hey Jim, I adjusted my orbs in TMSA to match yours and then recalculated my chart for each city.

Copenhhagen, Denmark

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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo sq Ne  3° 8' 81% M    Mo oc Ju  1°33' 72%       Mo op Ma  7°28' 42%  
Mo co Pl  0°24'100% M    Su op Ne  5°11' 71%       Mo sq Sa  6°52' 15%  
Mo tr Er  0°10'100%      Ve sx Ju  4°30' 62%       Su oc Ve  2°17' 40%  
Su oc Ma  0°47' 92%      Ma oc Ur  1°58' 55%       Me tr Sa  5° 1' 53%  
Su oc Sa  0°11'100%      Ne sq Er  3°17' 79%       Ve oc Ne  2°55'  5%  
Su op Ur  2°46' 92%                                Ma op Pl  9° 3' 17% M
Su tr Pl  1°39' 95%                                Ju tr Sa  6°35' 21%  
Me sx Ve  2°56' 83%                                Sa oc Ur  2°34' 25%  
Me tr Ju  1°34' 95%                                Ur sq Er  5°43' 40%  
Ve sq Ma  1°29' 96%                                Pl op Er  9°28' 10% M
Ve op Sa  1°31' 97% M                                                   
Ve oc Ur  0°29' 97%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°36' 99%                                                     
Ma co Er  0°25'100% M                                                   
Ur co Ne  2°26' 94%                                                     
Ur sx Pl  1° 6' 98%                                                     
Ne sq Pl  3°32' 76% M                                                   
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Aarhus, Denmark

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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo co Pl  0°41' 99% M    Mo oc Ju  1°33' 72%       Mo op Ma  7°28' 42%  
Mo tr Er  0°10'100%      Su op Ne  5°11' 71%       Mo sq Sa  6°52' 15%  
Su oc Ma  0°47' 92%      Ve sx Ju  4°30' 62%       Su oc Ve  2°17' 40%  
Su oc Sa  0°11'100%      Ma oc Ur  1°58' 55%       Me tr Sa  5° 1' 53%  
Su op Ur  2°46' 92%      Ne sx Pl  3°32' 76%       Ve oc Ne  2°55'  5%  
Su tr Pl  1°39' 95%      Ne sq Er  3°17' 79%       Ma op Pl  9°21' 11% M
Me sx Ve  2°56' 83%                                Ju tr Sa  6°35' 21%  
Me tr Ju  1°34' 95%                                Sa oc Ur  2°34' 25%  
Ve sq Ma  1°29' 96%                                Ur sq Er  5°43' 40%  
Ve op Sa  1°27' 98% M                              Pl op Er  9°38'  7% M
Ve oc Ur  0°29' 97%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°36' 99%                                                     
Ma co Er  0°17'100% M                                                   
Ur co Ne  2°26' 94%                                                     
Ur sx Pl  1° 6' 98%                                                     
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Odense, Denmark

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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo co Pl  1°26' 98% M    Mo oc Ju  1°33' 72%       Mo op Ma  7°28' 42%  
Mo tr Er  0°10'100%      Su op Ne  5°11' 71%       Mo sq Sa  6°52' 15%  
Su oc Ma  0°47' 92%      Ve sx Ju  4°30' 62%       Mo sq Ne  7° 6' 10% M
Su oc Sa  0°11'100%      Ma oc Ur  1°58' 55%       Su oc Ve  2°17' 40%  
Su op Ur  2°46' 92%      Ne sx Pl  3°32' 76%       Me tr Sa  5° 1' 53%  
Su tr Pl  1°39' 95%      Ne sq Er  3°17' 79%       Ve oc Ne  2°55'  5%  
Me sx Ve  2°56' 83%                                Ma op Pl  8°46' 21% M
Me tr Ju  1°34' 95%                                Ju tr Sa  6°35' 21%  
Ve sq Ma  1°29' 96%                                Sa oc Ur  2°34' 25%  
Ve op Sa  1°29' 98% M                              Ur sq Er  5°43' 40%  
Ve oc Ur  0°29' 97%                                                     
Ma sq Sa  0°36' 99%                                                     
Ma co Er  1°19' 98% M                                                   
Ur co Ne  2°26' 94%                                                     
Ur sx Pl  1° 6' 98%                                                     
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For Copenhagen I see Mo sq Ne 3° 8' 81% M. This same aspect appears in Odense as Mo sq Ne 7° 6' 10% M. Aarhus appears to lack the aspect entirely. Is this large difference due to the relatively quick speed of the moon's orbit? Either way, this aspect does not seem especially positive.

Posted: **Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:55 pm**

sidus_illuminans wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 5:42 pm For Copenhagen I see Mo sq Ne 3° 8' 81% M. This same aspect appears in Odense as Mo sq Ne 7° 6' 10% M. Aarhus appears to lack the aspect entirely. Is this large difference due to the relatively quick speed of the moon's orbit? Either way, this aspect does not seem especially positive.

No, nothing to do with Moon's speed. (These charts are all calculated for the exact same moment in time, right?) For any given point in space (any celestial longitude-latitude position), the mundoscope position (PVL column) varies with a combination of distance from local meridian and geographic latitude.

The angularities are the most important things, and only the closest aspects have a really strong impact. The local aspects are secondary to the fundamental tone set by the angularities. Nonetheless, a Moon-Neptune square at 3°08' is nearly Class 1, while a 6°10' square is much wider. You would feel the Moon-Neptune significantly more in Copenhagen.

I'd be much more concerned, though, with the very close Venus-Saturn opposition and Moon-Pluto conjunction for all these locations. Though the angular Jupiter would overweigh the overall experience, that sense of well-being and elevation likely would not include success or happiness in relationships. If Venus-Saturn and Moon-Pluto aspects were highlighted in a return chart, we'd expect things like abrupt, sad endings of relationships etc. (You have Moon Saturn natally - and close - but not quite this close, and not with a Moon-Pluto conjunction.)

Jupiter angular and these aspects could have very positive outcomes - for example, all three factors are consistent with acquiring significant wealth or (more commonly) singular financial success. Work is valued more than human connection. - It just isn't good for relationship success.

Posted: **Thu Feb 08, 2024 4:27 pm**

After mulling over this discussion I went back and checked my planetary lines only to realize I forgot to check the lines formed from squares (vs conjunction). Checking where these lines overlapped help me find better locations than I thought even existed for me. I will no longer say "I have found THE place" as I clearly have no idea haha.

I discovered that there are indeed places where I can have an angular Jupiter, Sun, and Uranus simultaneously while keeping the malefics at bay. Its a delightful surprise.

Strong locations (angular planets only):
Freiburg Im Breisgau, Germany (Su 100%, Ju 95%, UR 98%)
Bremm, Germany (Su 100%, Ju 96%, UR 95%)
Dusseldorf, Germany (Su 100%, Ju 96%, UR 86%)
Cologne, Germany (Su 100%, Ju 96%, UR 85%)
Monschau, Germany (Su 98%, Ju 95%, UR 100%)
Hong Kong, China (Su 100%, Ju 100%, UR 77%, Er 88%)
Zwolle, Netherlands (Su 100%, Ju 96%, UR 89%, Sa 76%)
Zurich, Switzerland (Su 100%, Ju 95%, UR 84%)
Athens, Greece (Su 100%, Ju 96%, UR 94%, NE 77%, Eris 100%)
Mamuju, Indonesia (Su 96%, Ju 100%, Ur 89%, Ne 78%)
Milan, Italy (Su 100%, Ju 94%, UR 88%)

Strong but questionable locations:
Santiago Chile (Su 100%, Ju 100%, UR 98%, NE 100%, Eris 100%)
Krasnoyarsk, Russia (Su 88%, Ju 100%, Me 100%, Ur 78%, Ne 75%)
Mendoza Argentina (Su 99%, Ju 99%, UR 100%, NE 84%, Eris 96%)

I previously thought Denmark was my best location... Best location there is Silkeborg, Denmark (Ju 100%, Su 9%, Me 0%, Ur 17%)

For the European locations, I noticed that if I try to move east in order to raise my Jupiter up beyond 96%, then my Uranus and Sun quickly drop right off a cliff. It seems I have a very narrow band to work within if I want to keep all three angular. Any thoughts on the balance provided at these locations?
I'm trying to follow this wisdom:

So, the locational strategy is would be to find places where your Jupiter is as exactly angular as possible and none of the malefics comes to the angles. An angular Sun also wouldn't hurt, and even a bit of the Sun with Uranus as a supplemental idea, as long as we can keep the Neptune backed off.

I have full data report on each of the locations, if anyone is interested.

At this point, it is my understanding that Western Germany and Hong Kong, China are my ideal locations, astrologically speaking.

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