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Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:50 pm
by Jim Eshelman
October 1, 2015, 10:38 AM, Roseburg, Oregon (Umpqua Community College). 10 dead (including the shooter), 7 injured. Shooter is in custody. (Time given here is for the first 911 calls.) At the time of the 911 calls, Mars and Saturn were roughly on the angles.
EDIT: Coordinates for shooting are 43N17'28", 123W20'05". I've also updated the fatalities and injuries above, which are less than originally reported.
Year: Capsolar
Moon rises (1°24')
Mars on IC (2°11')
Saturn sq. MC (1°29')
Neptune on IC (5°56')
Jupiter sq. MC (2°09')
-- Mars-Saturn sq. (0°08')
-- Mars-Neptune conj. (3°25')
-- Moon-Jupiter sq. (2°01')
-- Mo/Ma (0°23'), Ju/Sa (0°30')
Bridge
t. Saturn sq. Capsolar MC 8/26-10/19
Quarter: Cansolar
Sun sq. Asc (0°40')
Uranus sets (5°11')
-- Sun-Uranus sq. (1°09' in mundo)
Month: Caplunar
Uranus on MC (2°34')
Pluto on WP (2°01')
Moon sets (4°17')
Mercury on IC (4°18')
-- Moon-Mercury sq. (0°01' in mundo)
-- Mo/Ur (0°51')
Week: Arilunar
Venus on Asc (2°57')
Mars on Asc (4°15')
-- Ve/Ma on Asc (0°39')
Neptune on Dsc (9°19')
Day: Capsolar Quotidians & Transits
p. Asc sq. p. Moon (0°47')
p. EP op. p. Venus (1°28')
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t. Saturn sq. s. MC (0°19')
Day: Cansolar Quotidians & Transits
p. MC op. t. Uranus (0°46'), s. Uranus (0°47'), midpoint 0°01'
p. EP op. p. Mars (1°04'), op. p. Mercury (< 2°)
-- t. Uranus sq. s. Mercury sq. (half a degree)
SUMMARY
Year (+2): Moon Mars Saturn (Jupiter Neptune). Mo/Ma Moon-Jupiter Mars-Saturn Ju/Sa (Mars-Neptune)
Bridge (+2): Saturn (Cap).
Quarter (+1): Sun (Uranus). Sun-Uranus.
Month (+2): Uranus Pluto (Moon Mercury). Moon-Mercury Mo/Ur.
Week (+1): Venus (Mars Neptune). Ve/Ma.
Day (Capsolar): Moon Venus (CapQ, -2). Saturn (transits, +2).
Day (CanQ, +2): Mercury Mars Uranus. Mercury-Uranus.
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:51 pm
by Jim Eshelman
unique_astrology wrote:Progressed Cansolar to 10:35 AM, PDT, Roseburg,OR.
Progressed Cansolar RAMC: 194°06'
Return Pluto at 284°58' is square.
Relocated Sibly placed around it:
Sibly Saturn at 194°36'is on the MC
Sibly Mars sets at 194°47'
Sibly Sun at 104°29' is square prog MC and opposite return Pluto.
Sun of total lunar eclipse of October 8, 2014, on the MC of progressed Cansolar, eclipse Moon and Uranus on the IC.
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:51 pm
by Jim Eshelman
By the way, to put perspective on where "10 dead, 20 injured" falls in the range of these massacres...
Virginia Tech is the deadliest shooting by one individual (and the worst gun massacre in a school) with 33 dead and 23 injured. Sandy Hook had 26 dead (not counting the shooter and his mother). Columbine was "only" 15 dead (27 injured).
Moving away from schools, the 1991 Buddhist temple murders and the Charleston AME Church shootings each had 9 dead. Aurora had 12 dead.
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:51 pm
by Jim Eshelman
unique_astrology wrote:Progressed Cansolar to 10:35 AM, PDT, Roseburg,OR.
Progressed Cansolar RAMC: 194°06'
Return Pluto at 284°58' is square.
I wonder how you calculated this. For the time I used 3 minutes later, Cansolar Quotidian RAMC was 198°11'. (Did you possibly use apparent solar rate? I don't think there is any time that was a standard in the whole history of Sidereal mundane astrology.)
Relocated Sibly placed around it:
Sibly Saturn at 194°36'is on the MC
Sibly Mars sets at 194°47'
That's an interesting find. I'm highly reluctant to blend national charts with these quotidians, but this is a particularly interesting example. In pure longitude (which appears to be how quotidian angles work), and using the "shortly past noon" U.S. chart, we get:
USA r. Mars on CanQ Dsc (0°10')
USA r. Sun on CanQ WP (0°18')
USA r. Saturn on CanQ MC (1°33')
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:52 pm
by Jim Eshelman
Arena wrote:Every time I see news like this coming from the US again and again, I think to myself - When are they going to learn?
Comparing the US to the western world, it is ridiculous to look at those numbers of people being killed by gunshots. Both suicides and homicides are higher in numbers when there are so many guns around.
Why would people need/want to keep guns in their homes?
Many Americans stand up and fight for this right as some kind of "freedom", even intelligent people.
http://www.vocativ.com/usa/guns/suicide ... -violence/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... death_rate
Maybe the US can learn something from Europe, Australia, New Zealand and some more places in these matters, where guns are not common property.
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:52 pm
by Jim Eshelman
The main flow of the mundane charts (leaving out small details along the way) went as follows:
The Capsolar was excellent - I would call it pretty much perfect, since even the weak, peripherally involved Jupiter (plus this year's universal Moon-Jupiter square) is "seasoning" that adds the religiously-motivated theme. That is, it isn't a Jupiter event per se, but it's a Mars-Saturn event with Jupiter touches.
The time is then narrowed to 8/26-10/19 by transiting Saturn square Capsolar Midheaven. Within this, the month (Caplunar) was explosive, radical, and disruptive (Uranus & Pluto).
At the end, where we usually get our best results, we got mixed to poor results. The Week chart (Arilunar) was fine enough but not starkly on-target (Venus-Mars shows inflamed passions, and sometimes shows for this, but it isn't the most obvious thing), and then the CapQ was utterly off-track (though Saturn's transit to Capsolar angles is what got us in the neighborhood). The CanQ (normally a secondary back-up to the CapQ) was excellent and on-target!
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:53 pm
by Jim Eshelman
unique_astrology wrote:Jim Eshelman wrote:unique_astrology wrote:Progressed Cansolar to 10:35 AM, PDT, Roseburg,OR.
Progressed Cansolar RAMC: 194°06'
Return Pluto at 284°58' is square.
I wonder how you calculated this. For the time I used 3 minutes later, Cansolar Quotidian RAMC was 198°11'. (Did you possibly use apparent solar rate? I don't think there is any time that was a standard in the whole history of Sidereal mundane astrology.)
Yes, I used the RAAS as that is used in the speculum from Solar Fire. In the "Progressed Solar Return" offered in their 'Returns and Ingresses' section they use the RAMS. Which one to use is a personal choice based on experience.
Re: Umpqua Community College shooting
Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 8:53 pm
by Jim Eshelman
StarAgeWiz wrote:With Mar/ MC Sq. E. Pt & Sq Saturn conj. E.Pt
Moon oop. E.Pt, Satun Sq Mars/MC
A potent malefic angular combo indeed!