2024 - 2025 SLRs/DSLRs

[Venus_Daily]

I guess I just wanted to start this thread to distinguish between my SSRs & my SLRs.

September 13th:
MOON/VENUS/PLUTO forrground/angular

Mars Partile Conjunct N.Venus Cadent

Since I got back from Japan on the 8th, I've been extremely depressed and procrastinating. I can usually distinguish between organic and external stimuli in my depression and this feels extremely organic. Although external factors may compound it and give a face to it.
The biggest event to happen, which was a minor irritation included my aunt making up lies about my mother to paint her in a negative light.

I just turned 40, and I'm really more concerned about my health. It's time for me to face sobering realities. Today is the day of my DSLR, and it feels like my main SLR struck a dumb note.

My DSLR begins today with Pluto Square N. Saturn on the MC.

[Jim Eshelman]

Moon-Venus-Pluto isn't a planet set for depression and procrastination (which I think is mostly from the Saturn transit at the moment).

However, that planet set IS consistent with hormonal imbalance and irregularity. If you want to start looking into health causes, that's the area I might start.

[Venus_Daily]

Moon-Venus-Pluto isn't a planet set for depression and procrastination (which I think is mostly from the Saturn transit at the moment).

However, that planet set IS consistent with hormonal imbalance and irregularity. If you want to start looking into health causes, that's the area I might start.

TY, Jim! Yeah, my hormones are always unbalanced due to my pituitary issues. I was thinking it might have been health related, but then I remember that those are often mirrored in the cadent houses. But you never know, like I said, it does feel like something organic conpounded by the existential dread of being a newly 40 year old woman, whi men treat like the plague unless they can use me in one way or another. I thought that this SLR would manifest differently, and I think now, I'm more set to learn how to cope with this sense of loneliness I feel.

[Jim Eshelman]

I was thinking it might have been health related, but then I remember that those are often mirrored in the cadent houses.

That's true in a natal chart - for innate vulnerabilities etc. - but of course in a return chart it's going to be what's foreground (nothing else really matters much).

Just as a starter - not as a diagnosis, but for your consideration as a medical professional - here are the soundest medical correlations I know for these three planets in various combinations:


Moon-Venus. Hormones in general. Female reproductive biology (ova, menstruation, all fluids related to female reproduction). Interaction of hindbrain and limbic system.

Moon-Pluto. Irregular menstruation; conception, lost pregnancy. Anomalous and unlikely medical conditions. Profound psychological impact of events (e.g., PTSD), eruptions or disorders of the psyche, cathartic events (debilitative or healing). [Also, in natal, I've found it a significant factor in auto-immune responses.]

Venus-Pluto. Significant changes or shifts in endocrine function. Hormone release into the blood (first menstruation, menopause). Sex-related afflictions. Psychological impact (trauma) disturbs body equilibrium. Thyroid, kidney, or blood sugar disease. – Conception.

[Venus_Daily]

I was thinking it might have been health related, but then I remember that those are often mirrored in the cadent houses.

That's true in a natal chart - for innate vulnerabilities etc. - but of course in a return chart it's going to be what's foreground (nothing else really matters much).

Just as a starter - not as a diagnosis, but for your consideration as a medical professional - here are the soundest medical correlations I know for these three planets in various combinations:


Moon-Venus. Hormones in general. Female reproductive biology (ova, menstruation, all fluids related to female reproduction). Interaction of hindbrain and limbic system.

Moon-Pluto. Irregular menstruation; conception, lost pregnancy. Anomalous and unlikely medical conditions. Profound psychological impact of events (e.g., PTSD), eruptions or disorders of the psyche, cathartic events (debilitative or healing). [Also, in natal, I've found it a significant factor in auto-immune responses.]

Venus-Pluto. Significant changes or shifts in endocrine function. Hormone release into the blood (first menstruation, menopause). Sex-related afflictions. Psychological impact (trauma) disturbs body equilibrium. Thyroid, kidney, or blood sugar disease. – Conception.

Thanks, Jim. Thankfully I get my hormones checked next month. I bet this may also be the underlying message of my SSR. Lol, maybe that trip, I should have remained home.

[Jim Eshelman]

Oh, I don't think that's true at all! You're going to end up with a much happier year this way.

[Venus_Daily]

My DSLR has definitely been a lot more descriptive. With natal Saturn on the Mc, I feel like I'm burning the candle in both ends. But it's definitely lucrative. Natal Saturn and Natal Mercury are definitely significant of people who toil for their income. I must say, I am grateful for my last SSR as it was a blessing in disguise. There were so many teachable moments that I learned about that can also transfer to other areas of my life. One of the biggest lessons was letting go and chosing your battles.

I don't know if I have OCD, but with a Sag Moon and angular Mercury, it definitely fits. I noticed that if I do have OCD it's not in line with external ticks and physical action to bring relief, it's more internalized rituals that bring relief for a little bit but then the intrusive thoughts and feelings start up again later. Moon/Venus is definitely significant of internalization and possibly an inability to compartmentalize. I haven't tried just sitting with these feelings of loneliness, desperation, and inadequacy for a.long time. I've been working on trying to accept reality for the way it is and not for what I want it to be.

[Jim Eshelman]

Sag Moon can certainly tend to OCD, especially with regard to requiring perfection.

[SteveS]

Venus wrote:

I've been working on trying to accept reality for the way it is and not for what I want it to be.

Well put Venus---wise.

[Venus_Daily]

Well, since DSLR, I've had some weird synchronous events happen that I can't chalk up to purely coincidence. They're not earth shattering, just odd. I know I'm supposed to be patient, but my remaining SLRs don't seek impressive for good or bad.

[Jim Eshelman]

I know I'm supposed to be patient, but my remaining SLRs don't seek impressive for good or bad.

Every lunar return means something - and something happens. It frames your reality for two weeks. Some are only internal, some leak out and express "outside" events.

I'm skeptical too much will blossom until transiting Saturn clears your Sun etc. around the first of the year. In between I see some pro and con things. With the bad charts, the thing to remember is that you have a GOOD solar return, which makes bad lunars not so bad and makes good lunars better. For example, your October 10 SLR has Saturn opposite your Sun and square your Mars in the foreground - that will be a rougher couple of weeks than usual (but occurring inside a GOOD solar return). Then the next one, November 6, has your natal Venus-Jupiter square foreground (with Venus quite close).

There are then good charts and bad charts throughout the rest of the year. The April 19 SLR is an example of a great one, with transiting Jupiter really strong and your Sun somewhat strong. The May 17 is strange - if I had to guess, it would be a beautiful time of pursuing fantasies, though being disillusioned in the end. (It's a fantastic Venus 0°03' from an angle and Jupiter next most angular, with natal Neptune involved - then, contradicting everything else, Saturn squares your Neptune 0°07'.) My usual advice for this kind of chart is to enjoy it while it's good, then let go when it's time.

There's quite a mix.

[Veronica]

Well, since DSLR, I've had some weird synchronous events happen that I can't chalk up to purely coincidence. They're not earth shattering, just odd. I know I'm supposed to be patient, but my remaining SLRs don't seek impressive for good or bad.

A few years ago when I started learning Astrology, specifically Sidereal, I kept a little note book in which I started logging events and experiences that seemed synchronous, out of the ordinary, and or repeating themes in my life. It was/a very fruitful and helpful exercise for me to better understand myself and others in my life. I was able to see how the choices I seemed to be making were part of a bigger pattern and helped me explore "choices" I had made in the past.
My events would not for the most part seem Earth shattering, relevant or even noteworthy to others, but in the framework of my charts were very descriptive and telling of my inner life and progression throughout my life. It was also just a nice way to note to myself so that when I reread it in years to come I call easily recall the nice day Crow brought me a sparkly earring, or I had been needing new shoes and found the perfect in my dreams pair.

[Venus_Daily]

I know I'm supposed to be patient, but my remaining SLRs don't seek impressive for good or bad.

Every lunar return means something - and something happens. It frames your reality for two weeks. Some are only internal, some leak out and express "outside" events.

I'm skeptical too much will blossom until transiting Saturn clears your Sun etc. around the first of the year. In between I see some pro and con things. With the bad charts, the thing to remember is that you have a GOOD solar return, which makes bad lunars not so bad and makes good lunars better. For example, your October 10 SLR has Saturn opposite your Sun and square your Mars in the foreground - that will be a rougher couple of weeks than usual (but occurring inside a GOOD solar return). Then the next one, November 6, has your natal Venus-Jupiter square foreground (with Venus quite close).

There are then good charts and bad charts throughout the rest of the year. The April 19 SLR is an example of a great one, with transiting Jupiter really strong and your Sun somewhat strong. The May 17 is strange - if I had to guess, it would be a beautiful time of pursuing fantasies, though being disillusioned in the end. (It's a fantastic Venus 0°03' from an angle and Jupiter next most angular, with natal Neptune involved - then, contradicting everything else, Saturn squares your Neptune 0°07'.) My usual advice for this kind of chart is to enjoy it while it's good, then let go when it's time.

There's quite a mix.

It's difficult, Jim. I wonder if this is just a sign to finally find a path to release and find a way to cope. I've been at this my entire adult life and most of my adolescence. I'm already 40, and. I'm seeing most of the people around me having a good time. I just wish this urge would go away. Even channeling it i nto other avenues doesn't work.

[Venus_Daily]

This month with Mars conjunct the SLR descendant, I noticed a lower frustration tolerance, but also, I noticed people who I thought might be friends, may just be acquaintances. I feel like I got the cold shoulder without knowing what I did wrong, and I'm over it. I feel like I did become closer with one friend though. Patients on the floor are really pissing people off. Loosing weight, and with murder of Brian Thompson, I've been more acutely aware that people are now using tertiary/acute care as legal malingering, which is fueling the existing problems with insurance companies and America's healthcare system. I don't mean to vent, but I am also tired of people who have made themselves unhealthy, by not age alone, but by willful and intentional destruction of their own bodies through dangerous vices asking us to go out of our way to literally clean up their messes and treat them like royalty.
I was called passive aggressive yesterday by a very unhealthy 400lb woman who I believe was taking out her frustrations about being so rotund on the staff. But still, it hurts, because I am extremely nurturing person.

[Venus_Daily]

I have a really bad chart for 2/23. Reminds me of getting fired. I can't loose this job, the benefits and money are amazing.

N. Saturn rising in this chart. Mars Partile and Stationary Moon opposite Vega...This will most likely be felt across the nation as well. Mercury Semisquare Pluto less than 11 minutes. No real saving grace except for nothing being angular.

[Jim Eshelman]

I have a really bad chart for 2/23. Reminds me of getting fired. I can't loose this job, the benefits and money are amazing.

N. Saturn rising in this chart. Mars Partile and Stationary Moon opposite Vega...This will most likely be felt across the nation as well. Mercury Semisquare Pluto less than 11 minutes. No real saving grace except for nothing being angular.

I agree this won't be the easiest month. There are some pretty harsh things, though most of them arise from within you. Natal Saturn is closely rising - your own doubts, old baggage, skeletons hidden in your psychological closets that come out and rattle their bones. If this were my chart, I'd anticipate maybe getting sick (and take extra precautions) and my own dour mood and somewhat more demanding or difficult behavior.

That's the main message from what we know for sure is operative, how we've been reading these for years. There is other stuff that we've been experimenting with and honestly don't know if it operates in lunar returns or not, something called PVP aspects. Please do not take the following (in characteristic saturnian fashion <g>) as, "I am doomed," because we really don't know if this stuff is effective - I'm spending a whole year studying it - and it also may be effective but not as strong or dominant.

The PVP aspects, if valid, also reinforce my idea that getting sick is the most likely result, along with being irritable and a little difficult to be around - possibly leading to frictions with others. (Again, that's IF they're valid at all.) Here are the closest ones.

t Mars op r Moon 0°07' p
t Mars op r Pluto 0°32' p
r Moon-Pluto co 0°40' p
r Saturn-Pluto sq 0°51' p

[Venus_Daily]

I have a really bad chart for 2/23. Reminds me of getting fired. I can't loose this job, the benefits and money are amazing.

N. Saturn rising in this chart. Mars Partile and Stationary Moon opposite Vega...This will most likely be felt across the nation as well. Mercury Semisquare Pluto less than 11 minutes. No real saving grace except for nothing being angular.

I agree this won't be the easiest month. There are some pretty harsh things, though most of them arise from within you. Natal Saturn is closely rising - your own doubts, old baggage, skeletons hidden in your psychological closets that come out and rattle their bones. If this were my chart, I'd anticipate maybe getting sick (and take extra precautions) and my own dour mood and somewhat more demanding or difficult behavior.

That's the main message from what we know for sure is operative, how we've been reading these for years. There is other stuff that we've been experimenting with and honestly don't know if it operates in lunar returns or not, something called PVP aspects. Please do not take the following (in characteristic saturnian fashion <g>) as, "I am doomed," because we really don't know if this stuff is effective - I'm spending a whole year studying it - and it also may be effective but not as strong or dominant.

The PVP aspects, if valid, also reinforce my idea that getting sick is the most likely result, along with being irritable and a little difficult to be around - possibly leading to frictions with others. (Again, that's IF they're valid at all.) Here are the closest ones.

t Mars op r Moon 0°07' p
t Mars op r Pluto 0°32' p
r Moon-Pluto co 0°40' p
r Saturn-Pluto sq 0°51' p

Thank God, we have all types of tools to avoid pathogens at our disposal.

[Venus_Daily]

The day of Mars going to stationary and my SLR, my lips became swollen, dry, and crack, and I developed painful angular cheilitis. Work was stressful, and my doctor believes it may be an autoimmune reaction to condition that may yet to be discovered or diagnosed. I've gotten this before, and thankfully, it passed today, but I'm still picking off little crusts.

[Venus_Daily]

I have a really bad chart for 2/23. Reminds me of getting fired. I can't loose this job, the benefits and money are amazing.

N. Saturn rising in this chart. Mars Partile and Stationary Moon opposite Vega...This will most likely be felt across the nation as well. Mercury Semisquare Pluto less than 11 minutes. No real saving grace except for nothing being angular.

I agree this won't be the easiest month. There are some pretty harsh things, though most of them arise from within you. Natal Saturn is closely rising - your own doubts, old baggage, skeletons hidden in your psychological closets that come out and rattle their bones. If this were my chart, I'd anticipate maybe getting sick (and take extra precautions) and my own dour mood and somewhat more demanding or difficult behavior.

That's the main message from what we know for sure is operative, how we've been reading these for years. There is other stuff that we've been experimenting with and honestly don't know if it operates in lunar returns or not, something called PVP aspects. Please do not take the following (in characteristic saturnian fashion <g>) as, "I am doomed," because we really don't know if this stuff is effective - I'm spending a whole year studying it - and it also may be effective but not as strong or dominant.

The PVP aspects, if valid, also reinforce my idea that getting sick is the most likely result, along with being irritable and a little difficult to be around - possibly leading to frictions with others. (Again, that's IF they're valid at all.) Here are the closest ones.

t Mars op r Moon 0°07' p
t Mars op r Pluto 0°32' p
r Moon-Pluto co 0°40' p
r Saturn-Pluto sq 0°51' p

Well, Jim. Earlier in the month, one of my patients coded and one fell all in the same night. Rising Saturn. For the past 72 hours I haven't been able to eat because I've had Nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and chills. Disruption of fluid balance and inflammation Moon/Mars.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm sorry you're feeling so bad (must be miserable). You know what to do, of course - get fluids up, rest etc..

While I'm not happy you're sick, I'm happy this was being sick instead of the worse things you feared.

[Venus_Daily]

My 3/9 DSLR had Mars on the Ic, today, I find out my rent is being raised a ridiculous amount, and I will be moving. It was a really big jolt, and I feel like I am being taken advantage of.

[Jim Eshelman]

My 3/9 DSLR had Mars on the Ic, today, I find out my rent is being raised a ridiculous amount, and I will be moving. It was a really big jolt, and I feel like I am being taken advantage of.

It even has the symbolism of the angle, which makes it especially interesting.

Except... I don't get that chart for you. For your birthplace/residence, I get a chart March 8, 2025, 21:51:45 UT (4:51:45 PM CDT) with a Midheaven 14°14' Aries and Ascendant 18°24' Cancer. Your natal Mars-Uranus at 16° Scorpio is technically in the 4th House but within a degree of the 5th cusp - not on IC at all. Transiting Mars is extremely weak.

I wonder if you meant Pluto: The most angular planet is natal Pluto 3° off IC, with natal Saturn 0°58' from Nadir - both angles related to home traditionally. I'm surprised these are natal planets - which usually show things arising from within you - but the symbolism is otherwise correct. Transiting Pluto is the third angular planet (0°42' from WP in RA) and it squares natal Pluto.

Therefore, this is definitely a disruptive chart which leaves your insecurities concentrated on 4th House (IC, Nadir) themes.

Though not angular, transiting Jupiter is only 0°23' from square natal Sun. It's middleground and I'd expect you'd feel it, so perhaps there is a hidden advantage here not yet disclosed. You are also at the peak of a security-challenging transit, Neptune square natal Neptune, which was applying by 0°03' at the time of the demi-lunar and is probably exact to the minute about today.

As I recall, this was going to be a rough month anyway. Checking back at the SLR, it's one outstanding feature was natal Saturn rising 1°25'.

[Venus_Daily]

My 3/9 DSLR had Mars on the Ic, today, I find out my rent is being raised a ridiculous amount, and I will be moving. It was a really big jolt, and I feel like I am being taken advantage of.

It even has the symbolism of the angle, which makes it especially interesting.

Except... I don't get that chart for you. For your birthplace/residence, I get a chart March 8, 2025, 21:51:45 UT (4:51:45 PM CDT) with a Midheaven 14°14' Aries and Ascendant 18°24' Cancer. Your natal Mars-Uranus at 16° Scorpio is technically in the 4th House but within a degree of the 5th cusp - not on IC at all. Transiting Mars is extremely weak.

I wonder if you meant Pluto: The most angular planet is natal Pluto 3° off IC, with natal Saturn 0°58' from Nadir - both angles related to home traditionally. I'm surprised these are natal planets - which usually show things arising from within you - but the symbolism is otherwise correct. Transiting Pluto is the third angular planet (0°42' from WP in RA) and it squares natal Pluto.

Therefore, this is definitely a disruptive chart which leaves your insecurities concentrated on 4th House (IC, Nadir) themes.

Though not angular, transiting Jupiter is only 0°23' from square natal Sun. It's middleground and I'd expect you'd feel it, so perhaps there is a hidden advantage here not yet disclosed. You are also at the peak of a security-challenging transit, Neptune square natal Neptune, which was applying by 0°03' at the time of the demi-lunar and is probably exact to the minute about today.

As I recall, this was going to be a rough month anyway. Checking back at the SLR, it's one outstanding feature was natal Saturn rising 1°25'.

Dang, so, I had a dream. I've been feeling extremely jealous and irritated, and a voice spoke to me in a dream, and I realized with Saturn rising, I've been operating from a mindset of scarcity. I'm wondering if the Libra archetype often rubs people the wrong way because it manifests from a place of scarcity. My aunt is like this, very "Me first" always jealous, thirsty for attention. Of course these are the negative traits.

But you can also see this with Pluto in Capricorn. So many people are being exposed causing a scarcity of power, control, resources. This is all opposite of Jupiter 's exaltation of abundance in cancer.

[Venus_Daily]

My Apr 19th SSR looks stunning. Jupiter on the Mc loosely square Natal Sun with Natal Sun on the Asc/ closer on the Eq.

The only problem is there's a partile Sun/Mars square partile natal Pluto in the secondary houses.

[Jim Eshelman]

My biggest concern in this one is the Venus-Saturn conjunction on Descendant. The angularities are wide and may not be all that strong, but the aspect itself is close. (The strong Jupiter may overwhelm it.) Here's the full breakdown:

t Saturn Dsc -8°44'
t Venus Dsc -7°55'
t Jupiter MC -1°51'
------------------------
r Sun Asc +4°28'
r Mars IC +6°34'
r Uranus IC +7°09'

r Mars-Uranus co 0°35' M
t Venus-Saturn co 1°09'
r Sun-Mars sq 2°06' M
r Sun-Uranus sq 2°41'

If we drop out the widest (Class 3) angularities, we can get a more "core" read of the feel of the chart. Then it looks like this:

t Jupiter MC -1°51'
------------------------
r Sun Asc +4°28'
r Mars IC +6°34'

r Sun-Mars sq 2°06' M

That's not a bad chart!

[Venus_Daily]

This one scares me a bit, the Demi for July 23rd is kind of scary if you look at it from a different context. All 3 malefic are foreground. With Neptune Saturn making a close, less than 30 minute conjunction aspect. I don't want to lose my job, I'm surrounded by people who I think might actually like me...and I make a ton of money. I'm discounting the Mc Venus and partile Venus/Mars just because nothing really has been happening with the entire partile Moon/Venus partile conjunction on the WP.

[Jim Eshelman]

This one scares me a bit, the Demi for July 23rd is kind of scary if you look at it from a different context. All 3 malefic are foreground. With Neptune Saturn making a close, less than 30 minute conjunction aspect. I don't want to lose my job, I'm surrounded by people who I think might actually like me...and I make a ton of money. I'm discounting the Mc Venus and partile Venus/Mars just because nothing really has been happening with the entire partile Moon/Venus partile conjunction on the WP.

A quarter degree Saturn-Neptune conjunction that squares your natal Neptune is indeed anxiety producing, although the single most angular planet is transiting Venus (and nothing in the chart is closely angular). This is one to watch - the middleground partile Sun square to natal Pluto may make this impactful - but let's get a full bird's eye view of the chart:

r Jupiter IC -8°54'
t Neptune Dsc -6°57'
t Saturn Dsc -6°38'
r Pluto IC -4°25'
--------------------------
t Venus MC +3°26'
t Mars Asc +3°52'

t Venus-Mars sq 0°10'
t Saturn-Neptune co 0°14'
t Neptune sq r Jupiter 1°41'
t Saturn sq r Jupiter 1°55'
t Saturn sq r Neptune 2°13' M
t Neptune sq r Neptune 2°31' M

The closest aspect by the most angular planets is that Venus-Mars square. The Saturn-Neptune shouldn't be taken lightly. It looks anxious and things just not going right for the most part. I think, though, that the Venus-Mars mundane square is what deserves most attention. This suggests that the most likely areas of trouble are interpersonal friction, so that's where consciousness and attention are warranted.

The chart also has four planets on the Vertex axis, resulting in a LOT of PVP aspects. We don't know if these aspects are valid in lunar returns. If they ARE valid, things look much more troublesome.