Lance’s Daughter Elizabeth

[Lance]

Elizabeth
2/6/2017
9:20 am
Beaumont, TX

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I noticed that my daughter’s Sun is perfectly backgrounded, and I don’t know what to make of it. How may it affect her self-expression? How may it affect her knowing and doing what it is hers to do? How might I help her?

[Veronica]

How to help....

Tell her you love her just the way she is and then show her that love by listening to her and giving her your time/presence.

In my experience the Universe is lovingly conspiring for our success, and has a lifetime of experiences for us to live, for me...knowing this has been true in my own life, and seeing this love unfold in others lives allows me to trust that this is so for all people/life and that I can let go of my desire to help/do and just to be available if I am asked for help.

[SteveS]

Vance, Veronica offers sound advice. I will offer some of my quick observations for Elizabeth's Natal.

Vance, by the Cosmobiologists (German School of Astrology) her Sun shares a unique chart point position by being placed on a Direct Midpoint of ASC/MC = SUN (0,20), so her Sun may surprise you with its strength. This midpoint is shared by another important direct midpoint Venus/MC = Sun (0,35) which I suspect places more importance in her life for affection, so Vance, as a father show her as much love/affection as possible, receiving Venus affection is important to her with the way Venus is structured in her Natal.

She was born with a very lively structured ASC with Mundo Mars 1,56 conjunct Mars which TM shows the potential potency for Mars to be expressed in her life. Try to provide her the best you can for positive expressions/release of this very strong Mars structured for her life, maybe with as much physical outdoor activity as possible. Her ASC is backed-upped with two very important direct midpoints of Moon/Pluto = ASC; Venus/Mars = ASC. Moon/Pluto = ASC reflects a lot of emotionality and Venus/Mars = ASC reflects “a lively expression of feelings with an affectionate nature”.

These are only some brief Natal points of what my mind quickly recognized as important planetary energies for her life. Parents who are familiar with the language of astrology are in unique/better positions to offer good guidance for their children Vance, but like Veronica said as a parent---just love your daughter as much as possible.

[Lance]

Thank you both.

Yes, she is constantly in motion. Even if she watches TV all day in bed, she gets a workout. Lol

[Jim Eshelman]

[The Time Matters software is invaluable. Thank you, everyone involved.]

It's a wonder, isn't it? This has taken us SO far ahead in the game. - And the current version even correctly identifies Elizabeth's stationary Jupiter!

I noticed that my daughter’s Sun is perfectly backgrounded, and I don’t know what to make of it. How may it affect her self-expression? How may it affect her knowing and doing what it is hers to do? How might I help her?

I think the first thing to say is that Elizabeth has a fundamentally good chart. It has challenges - struggles to get through - also has some real blessings. It may not always look like she's going to come out OK because there is rebellion along the way and trying to shake herself free of stuff that just doesn't make sense to her or feel right, but - yes - she comes out the other side of it almost certainly as a psychologically healthy, effective adult.

The worst thing I have to tell you (given your current family circumstances) is that she will probably really need her mother during puberty and early adolescence. She'll ultimately be fine anyway, but that one addition likely make a big difference in how easy things are for her. Your Moon-Jupiter (but also Pluto) is on her Venus + Angles, your Venus squares her Moon, so she feels lots of love and support from you (and the rough-and-tumble aspects are healthy parent-child frictions, not real problems); except, with your Saturn precisely conjunct her Moon, she surely will find a way to blame you for her mother not being around (and her Moon to your Venus-Saturn pushes your heartache buttons at one time or another). Ultimately, your connection to her is much stronger and more meaningful than Christy's (whose Sun e.g. opposes Elizabeth's Neptune, among other aspects, and mostly has few connections and fewer positive ones); but my instinct says puberty etc. is a psychologically precarious moment for a Capricorn-Taurus girl with Venus and Mars closely rising.

Please read the full Moon in Taurus interpretation - here on the site or, if you have a copy, in HOSNI. It has some subtleties that will be useful to you.


Since you asked specifically about the deeply background Sun, let's start there.

Sun corresponds to the need to be singled out from the herd is a distinctive, distinguished, specific something-or-other. Having an intuition of one's singularly distinctive nature, a lifepath more or less modelled on the mythic Hero's Journey unfolds with two obvious stages, a seeker stage of trying to get a handle on who one is and seeming a bit lost and meandering, and an individuation home stretch of fulfilling on what one eventually discovers and drawing all the parts together into an integrated whole. (I grossly simplify; with your rising Sun, though, I think you know what I mean).

What happens with Sun acutely background? These needs (to be distinct, distinguished, one thing in particular) aren't very strong. There is no strong need to stand out, to feel a driving destiny in the "I am a particular thing and MUST BE THAT!" sense. Over the course of one's life, this can take several forms. One negative possibility is that, in childhood and youth, one can feel one never had a chance to be recognized, to shine, to stand out. (The solution, of course, is to take every opportunity to encourage talents that show themselves, to give appropriate and realistic praise, to counsel on sharing the spotlight, and to not blame yourself when the background Sun still thinks there was never enough.) Not all background Suns take this particular path, though the Capricorn placement may emphasize the "never got my break" side of things. Other ways this can emerge is that the person follows a life path that isn't focused on being personally singled out - more connected to the collective (the herd) than to singular distinction. Elizabeth has strong ego needs, but they are primarily martial, not solar - needs to assert and push and emerge by competition and victory, for example.

Because that Sun is specifically on the 12th cusp, it gives us a particular spin. As I'm sure you know, I have a mixed attitude about houses; but, for what it's worth, IF I follow the impression that there is something to houses and then look for commonalities among people with 12th House Suns, we indeed find commonalities. Taking this with a grain of salt, here is my working interpretation of 12th House Sun:

Private, secretive. Prefers seclusion or the hidden or occult. Struggles between self and selflessness. Moody and constrained; or unleashed flamboyant artistry. May show a strong spirit of service to something beyond themselves. Among the famous: Themes of self-surrender or self-undoing. Abundant performers and artists (many have serious dependency problems).

There are definitely successful, admirable people with such solar placements. One example (not quite as background, but similar) is Jimmy Carter. If I take my example chart catalogue, tally all 12th House Suns and drop out those with Sun foreground (meaning, there are some middle-strength ones mixed with the clearly background ones), the list is quite impressive. Capricorns on the list include Ellen DeGeneres, Gertrude Stein, James Dean, and Janis Joplin. Taurus Moons include Grace Slick, M.C. Escher, and T.S. Eliot. Notice how (at least among the eminent) creative arts are favored.

For her happiness pre-adult (and whatever that carries into adulthood), I'm more concerned about the Capricorn Sun than the background position. Simply put, Capricorn Suns tend to feel they have (and often objectively have) deprivation and hardship. Some buckle under this; a great many, though, compensate for this with struggle leading to great achievement. I imagine you've read enough Alfred Adler to understand how we get Capricorns like Franklin Roosevelt and Oprah Winfrey. I'm not sure what parents can do about this other than "what they can," plus a lot of love, plus maybe Tao-like lessons about how trees and things grow strong and beautiful in the midst of harsh conditions.

Also: Overall, the luminaries are in positive condition. Look at the Cosmic State from Time Matters. Her Sun, though acutely background and in Capricorn, closely or moderately aspects three benefics and Moon... then tags on a barely-there Saturn aspect. It's a positive Sun by aspect, though not a dominant planet. (Even midpoints are positive, the only one being Venus/MC.) Look at the Moon in this report: Exalted with its close aspects being to Sun and her important, positive Jupiter-Uranus opposition, before tagging on wider (though present) Saturn and Neptune aspects. (And the only important Moon midpoint is to Sun/Jupiter 2'.) Moon aspecting Saturn and Neptune will have its dark side but the Jupiter, Uranus, and Sun aspects are clearly stronger.

BTW, the Class 1 Sun-Moon trine means that she's not entirely without solar force. She has its vitality and instinct for the limelight at least a little. But she is a more lunar person than solar - that's where the weight falls. Also, she has plenty of yang assertiveness from the rising Mars (also consistent with the Capricorn Sun), yet Venus (0°20' from square MC) is even stronger.

Venus is her real saving grace, her signature planet. Venus is the most angular planet, rules her Moon sign, and is exalted in Pisces. The Venus-Saturn square is too wide to take too seriously, so we're really looking at a dignified, exactly angular Venus (in a Taurus Moon person) with Venus aspecting Sun and (more widely) Mercury and Mars.

Additionally, Jupiter is stationary. That's not as strong as an angularity, but it burns in Jupiter as stronger than its middleground placement suggests. This helps ease the potential Capricorn Sun sense of being one-down. Jupiter is closely opposite Uranus - a fabulous aspect - and the rest of its numerous aspects are basically good. (Saturn's sidecar sextile-trine into Jupiter-Uranus is more stabilizing, giving practical balance consistent with her Capricorn nature.)

There are plenty more details, but perhaps this gives you what you need. She is passionate, with surging emotions from the rising Venus-Mars in moderate conjunction; and add Sun-Moon trine to that. She has the ability to enjoy life and probably go overboard with the psychologically complex rising Mars in Pisces (surging, artistic, delving), with which you should become thoroughly familiar (especially since it is so different from your Virgo Mars). A Capricorn with this much passion and surging emotion and aggression needs to rebel and break a couple of things.

Her Taurus Moon can be blindsided by strong feelings. Perhaps most important for communicating with her, is that her emotional reality needs validation unrelated to whether it matches objective or logical reality. Validate and empathize with the emotions first, as a way of connecting to her and strengthening her; after that, you can get practical and reasonable.

But with all the little indications that could show psychological instability, that's not what the chart overall shows. The Moon-Sun trine, tightly angular exalted Venus and stationary Jupiter, both luminaries fundamentally well aspected, etc. - these are all really good signs for how this still-young life will turn out.

[Lance]

Thank you for that very full analysis.

I already see so much of what you mention.