Case of a death ('Outstanding Incident SLR')

[SteveS]

Tomorrow, I go to pay my respect to the family of person I once was closely associated who passed away. Below is a link to my SLR which begins tomorrow. Note the tight Mars-Saturn cnj on the anti-vertex. Ebertin says about (-) manifestations for Mars-Saturn:

Cases of death.

https://imgur.com/a/VNQ2i

[Jim Eshelman]

First... my condolences on the loss of your friend.

Second... this is a great example f what I've been finding with regard to Vertex-Antivertex in mundane charts, and I'm increasingly convinced it's the way things work in natal charts and returns also. It's a slightly difficult idea because it is different from how we normally think of angularity and aspects.

HOW WE NORMALLY SEE IT: If Mars conjoined Saturn this closely to (say) Ascendant, we'd have three active factors: (1) Mars on Ascendant, (2) Saturn on Ascendant, and (3) Mars conjunct Saturn. We're so used to seeing this kind of thing that we don't necessarily break it apart in our minds, but the three separate things are there.

HOW IT SEEMS TO WORK WITH THE VERTEX AXIS: Something I know to be true for mundane charts, and think is true otherwise is that with this axis there is no angularity! No planet gets "bumped" or emphasized solely for being on the Vertex axis. However, we have the aspect! Not only aspects (a variety of paran) from two planets being on that axis, but other mundane aspects (a variety of paran) from the fact that the prime vertical is always square both the horizon and meridian,

It takes a little training to think of this Mars-Saturn conjunction without reading any "angular Mars" or "angular Saturn" into the interpretation.

In this case... with your SLR tomorrow... here are the factors of interest:

Jupiter 0°09' past Asc in PV longitude, 0°09' in altitude [identical because so close]
Mars azimuth 90°45' is 0°45' past Antivertex
Saturn azimuth 90°02' is 0°02' past Antivertex
(Remember: Resist the chance, no matter how close, to ascribe any angularity to Mars or Saturn.)
In PV amplitude, Mars is 0°32' past Av, Saturn is 0°01' past (we need this measurement to compare to Jupiter on the horizon)

These (yeah, I know it's extra work) boil down to:

Jupiter rising 0°09' [measured in PV]
Mars-Saturn conjunction 0°43' [measured in azimuth]
Mars square Jupiter 0°36' [45' - 09', measured in PV amplitude vs. altitude]
Saturn square Jupiter 0°08' [09' - 01', measured in PV amplitude vs. altitude]

This.... is quite different from a "Mars conjunct Saturn on the angle" feel. The Mars-Saturn conjunction is certainly there, but it's primarily Jupiter rising, afflicted by Mars-Saturn.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Angularity is ease of expression, right? So it may be difficult to express the Mars conj Saturn effect, although the Jupiter angularity would describe the formalized expression (i.e. the rituals of the funeral).

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

This.... is quite different from a "Mars conjunct Saturn on the angle" feel. The Mars-Saturn conjunction is certainly there, but it's primarily Jupiter rising, afflicted by Mars-Saturn.

Now I understand Jim, your explanatory words always offer clarity. I know one thing, that Mars-Saturn-Anti-vertex sure is spoiling a normally nice SLR Jupiter rising.

JSAD wrote:

Angularity is ease of expression, right? So it may be difficult to express the Mars conj Saturn effect, although the Jupiter angularity would describe the formalized expression (i.e. the rituals of the funeral).

I think you are dead- on (no pun intended) JSAD. I discovered last night the pre-funeral service is going to be a one hour long (the rare long session) Catholic ‘ritual’ for a death.

[Jim Eshelman]

LOL, I also thought "religious rites" when I saw that Jupiter - but the original post didn't suggest that the "paying respects" was that sort of thing. If one loves ceremony, this can be beautiful; for many people it is burdensome.

"Burdensome high ritual" does seem to capture the SLR.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

"Burdensome high ritual" does seem to capture the SLR.

So far, indeed!