I am new to the forum, though I have been browsing for a bit. Thought my studies have advanced enough to start participating in discussions. Looking forward to joining the community.
Here is my birth chart information: 12/27/97 12:38 PM Lancaster, Ca
I’ve noticed that I have a predominance of Capricorn, a Mars/Uranus/Pluto combo+ close Saturn/Moon trine, and Saturn and Neptune angular.
Yes, you do have quite a bit of Capricorn - five planets without one of them being a luminary. This backs up your Sagittarius Sun and Scorpio Moon.
Your closest angular planet is Neptune, just under 2° from square Ascendant. You also have Saturn about 5° above Ascendant. Your most outstanding aspect is your Mars-Uranus conjuntion (0°37'), with Venus near them both.
I'll post a summary of basic interpretive paragraphs for the main features of your chart (not a full interpretation - just the elements that would go into one). You can also browse the interpretive sections of the natal astrology section of this forum for more extensive notes.
(This is actually quite complicated. There are a lot of seeming opposites or contradictions that need to be resolved by recognizing they coexist. Here are the raw notes.)
ANGULAR PLANETS Angular Neptune (sq. Asc 1°50')
Sensitive, vulnerable, feels strongly (tunes into others deeply, not always accurately; feels exposed, over-response). Naturally absorbs & mirrors traits of others. Sympathy, compassion, empathy (or emotional drama, insecurity, easily hooked, betrayed). Lives in own reality, tenacious with their viewpoint, impervious to logic, passionate about what uniquely frames their view (forges perception of the actual from their concept of the ideal). Favors complexity over simplicity. Dwells within the unknown, choosing mystery over revelation.
Venus Conjunct Neptune (5°07')
Idealistic, future-looking, longs to be enchanted. Wants things perfect. Can become jaded, disillusioned, and cynical from repeated hurtful betrayals. Emotions run strong. Most sees the beauty in people and things, thus has blind spots (especially in romance). Trusting, naturally confident of others’ goodness (poor discrimination in selecting friends). Good-hearted, caretakes others, devoted friends, romantic, humanitarian. Natural people-readers (when not personally involved), natural psychologists.
Angular Saturn (Asc 5°11')
Needs to be self-reliant, self-sufficient, autonomous, independent; maturing is a process of securing these. Works hard, industrious. Survival instinct is strong & drives much of the behavior. Hardship likely (especially in youth); struggle for security; life’s demands seem severe (some are beaten down; some gain great strength & endurance). Cautious, emotionally reserved, self-protective, conscientious, methodical, austere (may shut others out emotionally). Beware self-restriction arising from fear.
MOON Moon in Scorpio
Socially active party-people: good-natured, friendly, humor. Willing to be outlandish. Factually forthright; emotionally cautious (withholding); senses others’ motives. Sexual volcanoes: built pressure needs explosive release. Sexually pragmatic. Frequent relationship drama; combative. Easy to anger (it passes). Bold, adventurous, restless, “try anything.” Gossip (sometimes vindictive). Beliefs likely unorthodox.
Moon Semi-square Neptune (0°33')
Hyper-sensitive. Empathic: can be deeply understanding, sympathetic; also, psychically vulnerable, easily wounded, fearing rejection. Self-defense through avoidance, closing senses, withdrawing, introversion (worry, moodiness). Drawn to the imaginative & surrealistic.
Moon Conjunct Mercury (3°50')
Intellect fused with the emotions, especially with subconscious patterns; thus, quick at assessment, intuitive, strategic (cagey, deceptive). Personality dominated by intellect & nervous system. Tremendous mental output & capacity to absorb knowledge (apt at languages, good memory). Can seem ‘all business’ in emotional matters & emotionally stubborn in factual ones: Under duress, “reasonableness” competes with reactive emotion.
Moon Trine Saturn (0°25')
Hardworking, self-driving. Encourages others. Usually emotionally reserved, private. Resistant to others’ rules & control (passive-aggressive response). Parent issues persist(nourishment-deprivation). Judgmental, intolerant, distrustful. Can be pessimistic, feeling inferior, anxious, depressed.
SUN Sun in Sagittarius
Social elitism, aristocracy. Excellence, quality. Higher & higher, ambition, travel. Judges self & others, may fail own standards. Right-wrong, reward-punishment, belief- & values-driven. Respects continuity of culture & social rituals. Preserves status quo, heritage, myth when possible. Loyal to tribe. Complacent affection.
Sun Semi-square Jupiter (0°16')
Generous, kind, warm, amiable, tolerant. Visible self-confidence. Needs acceptance & friendship. General dislike of problems. Lucky, confident: problems usually resolve remarkably easily, but has difficulty persevering against real adversity. Extravagant, prodigal, loves leisure, overly reliant on luck. Philosophical or religious mind.
MARS Mars in Capricorn
Courage, stands own ground (prefers action to complaining). Confrontational, discontent: creates unnecessary struggle & conflict (over authority, control, father issues). Private, secretive, self-veiling. (Mysterious façade, or deceptive; to avoid control, look good, or not be found out). Much unresolved shadow; vulnerable to dark moods; carries past darkness around. Sexually forthright (strong needs + practicality).
Mars Conjunct Uranus (0°37')
Uncompromisingly individualist (but rarely ungraciously so). Bold, often stand out as highly distinctive characters in their circles. Natural rebel, challenges prevailing thinking, brutally honest. Al-ways into something new, often offbeat. Takes risks psychologically (sometimes physically). Industrious, resourceful, shows initiative. Mentally quick, not necessarily intellectual; knack for astute assessment of situations, analytical, mechanical instincts. Sexually uninhibited, enthusiastic (lifestyle may challenge social standards; actions may challenge the world to try to stop them). Trusts own instincts more than outside advice.
Mars Sextile Pluto (0°53')
Normally congenial, mannered, even docile; yet enormous hidden explosive force (disciplined & available; untapped; or toxic & brutal). This must be expressed somehow (suppressing it attracts violence or assaults health). Resists control or coercion, defies arbitrary restrictions. Sexual energies explosive, or rerouted into work (beware burn-out). In a balanced life: distinctive creativity, alive with a quiet, intense energy.
Venus Conjunct Mars (3°36’)
Passion (in all senses), feels powerfully about things. Strong sexual passions mature early, continue late, rarely encumbered by too many conditions. Broadly fun-loving, socially active, loves romance: interesting, likable, sociable, horny people. Relationships, often picked for ferocity, easily hit conflict, strain, or burnout. (More likely homicidal than suicidal.)
STELLIA In addition to the importance of the constellations holding Moon, Sun, and Mars, you also have a concentration of planets in another constellation. Four or more planets in one sign we call a stellium.
Capricorn Stellium
CAPRICORN FAVORS survival and autonomy needs foremost. Humor, storyteller, prankish. Good resource manager. Struggles against tough odds. Discontent, combative, resists persuasion & conformity. Emotionally cautious. Extreme libido.
MERCURY Mercury in Scorpio
Outspoken, opinionated, candid. Enjoys mental/verbal competition (arguments or humor). Needs intellectual freedom, resists mainstream ideas & institutional thinking. Mind sharp, strong, strategic (fault-finding). Strains nervous system (nervous irritation). Good singing voice.
Mercury Semi-square Venus (1°51')
Gracious charmer, persuasive, sweet talker. Light-hearted, pleasant. Pleasure in learning. Probably a happy childhood; retains a playful, childlike sense, a charm of immaturity.
Mercury Trine Saturn (3°25')
Orderly, able thinkers. Methodical, logical, routinized thought. Skeptical, scrutinizing, distrustful. Hesitant until oriented, then decisive. Much mental power, but easily discouraged (doubting). Treats life seriously (needs play).
VENUS Venus in Capricorn
Dutiful/devoted to family/loved ones (secures own freedom & pleasure within that). Tenacious once committed. Paternal themes in their partnering: one party plays a father role (be alert for parent-child games). Sociable, outgoing; COMMON INTERESTS is main theme with friends. Beasts in bed. Pride themselves on self-sufficiency.
Venus Conjunct Uranus (2°59')
Pleasure drives are free of social convention or taboo, allowing enjoyment from a wide variety of social and sexual experiences. They approach friendship, love, sex, and other pleasure on their own terms, with a deep instinct for flexibility and freedom from artificial constraint. Socially popular, friendly, engaging, and well-liked, in response to their lightly flirtatious, genial, roguish style. (Underlying innocence and vulnerability is often masked by their social “character.”) Often requires distance from intimacy or depersonalizes affection, which can strain conventional pairings. Usually optimistic for society’s future with a deep instinct toward a less Puritanical, more open social fabric.
Venus Sextile Pluto (2°42')
Gentle, kindly soul, with deep emotional intensity. Instinctively rejects others’ conventions on love, sex, art. Wants penetrating, intimate, pure connections. May withdraw from people if repeatedly rebuked; or sexual development may come late.
I am surprised to learn that Neptune has a large influence on my chart, but upon deeper analysis, this influence connects disparate elements that did not make sense in my Saturn/Mars/Uranus paradigm. Although I have been slow to admit this, perhaps from witnessing people around me falling into the swells of imaginative paranoia and psychism in my earlier circles within the rave scene in my earlier years, I do appear to have a “psychic” receptivity to image-making through visual arts and poetry, and am quite sensitive to the momentary emotional impressions left on my psyche by other people. I also tend towards concerning myself with (and occasionally obsessing over) the underlying forces causing events. Which this can be used for positive progression in the unveiling of the hidden nature of myself and my place in the grand scheme of things, or draw me into developing false constructions of reality when my fearful, irrational emotions project onto the screen of reality. And to be honest, my emotions can be quite melodramatic and exaggerated at times, especially revolving around philosophical ideas of life/death, good/evil, black/white... runoff from my Baptist upbringing and seemingly synonymous with the contrasting forces within my natal chart. A lot of my attention is placed on recognizing both aspects in my psyche and not allowing myself to be too fearful or consumed by one or another, to find the shades of grey between the lines of extremes. And even to recognize that the lines are drawn from my own subjective mind, I think I need to work on balancing this out with more simple pragmatism and rational deduction perhaps.
The embryonic energy of Neptune makes a lot of sense to me, early on, much of my motivation driving my quest for the meaning of life was guided by my experiences with mind-altering drugs, sex, meditation... the state of absolution in the personality-dissolving orgasm of pleasure and pain became my object of worship. I also find comfort in the fetal position when I am sleeping and when I am overwhelmed or stressed. The mother-goddess is a figure I am drawn to adore with more fervency than others, but strangely enough, my experience with mother-like figures in my life have been oppressive and sometimes downright cruel. This has made it more difficult for me to trust female figures in my life, yet I was initiated into the initial mysteries of sexuality through female lovers.
There is so much to look into in all of this, and will meditate more on the intricacies and record my results here, slowly but surely!
Thank you for the quick and incredibly helpful response
I have been pondering more on Neptune and I can’t seem to shake a discontentment with it... Neptune angularity, Neptune/Venus, particularly the Neptune/Moon relationship all seem to be aspects that are challenging to incorporate into my personality. The descriptions are incredibly accurate to how I deal with others, my environment, and stressful situations being that I have a very strong compassionate urge and am easily enchanted by others, am terribly emotionally sensitive and “pick up” on others emotions (with the more negative ones causing a greater rippling effect in my psyche), and tend to shut down and overdramatize when I am over-stressed. Yet this goes against the “other half” of me, which is firm and obstinate with mine and others self-sovereignty, bold and courageous in navigating through the unknown, and confident in wielding the flame of my aspiration and devotion in all I do.
Does anyone have advice on how to come to greater terms with conflict in the chart? Mainly right now I am struggling with hyper-sensitivity and withholding expression from fear (Neptune/Saturn?)...
You don't have to incorporate Neptune into your personality or try to figure out how to deal with "conflicts" in your chart. Neptune is already a part of your personality and always has been. Withholding self-expression from fear is not a bad thing. It's likely your Moon-Saturn aspect and it's more properly labeled in most people as self-preservation and even self-protection. There is no reason for you to open yourself up to someone else unless you choose to.
Is somebody criticizing you and then telling you you're being hyper-sensitive if you object or get upset? That's not a fault in you. That's a fault in them. You're not a child.
Hannah wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 11:08 am
I have been pondering more on Neptune and I can’t seem to shake a discontentment with it... Neptune angularity, Neptune/Venus, particularly the Neptune/Moon relationship all seem to be aspects that are challenging to incorporate into my personality. The descriptions are incredibly accurate to how I deal with others, my environment, and stressful situations being that I have a very strong compassionate urge and am easily enchanted by others, am terribly emotionally sensitive and “pick up” on others emotions (with the more negative ones causing a greater rippling effect in my psyche), and tend to shut down and overdramatize when I am over-stressed. Yet this goes against the “other half” of me, which is firm and obstinate with mine and others self-sovereignty, bold and courageous in navigating through the unknown, and confident in wielding the flame of my aspiration and devotion in all I do.
Does anyone have advice on how to come to greater terms with conflict in the chart? Mainly right now I am struggling with hyper-sensitivity and withholding expression from fear (Neptune/Saturn?)...
Hannah, I wanted to let this sit a few hours and gestate, and I find I'm unclear about the question. Here's what I get from your post (mostly I'm breaking it down to help me understand it).
1. You think the Neptune-related items in your chart are "incredibly accurate."
2. It "goes against" your "other half".
What does "goes against" mean exactly? Do you just mean that you have some traits in you that seem to you to be at odds with other traits in you? (I want to simplify but not over-simplify. Did I cross that line, or is this what you meant?)
3. You ask for advice on "conflict in the chart." Again, does "conflict" means "seems to Hannah at the moment like they are opposites that don't fit together"? Or did you mean something different.
Mainly right now I am struggling with hyper-sensitivity and withholding expression from fear (Neptune/Saturn?)
Is this a different topic (it's OK if it is), or an elaboration of what you were talking about above?
BTW, you're undergoing the extremely important transit of Saturn across your Sun. It's already come across once, and will backtrack and return (meaning, two more passes). You can read about this in the Transit section - its one of the most maturing, strengthening transits we all go through, primarily because it shows life demanding of you 10 or 20 times more than you think you can give, and especially those particular things you think aren't yours to give - but most people find that, in some often inexplicable way, they meet those demands and then discover that they're working on a whole new level. It's an old wise saying that the surest way to solve every problem in your life is to get a bigger problem - it immediately puts all the rest of them in perspective and tends to make them smaller.
Also, right now this week, and bleeding a week either side), Mars is crossing your Capricorn planets, It's crossed your Neptune, more recently your Venus, is coming up ono your Mars-Uranus conjunction in the next couple of days - probably through the weekend. This is a really big deal and likely to be felt very strongly. You can read about these different Mars transits here: viewtopic.php?f=24&t=238
I started a reply to your post a couple of times last night, but like Jim, couldn't quite figure out the question. I kept coming back to the same thing Jim quoted.
Hannah wrote: Wed May 16, 2018 11:08 am
Mainly right now I am struggling with hyper-sensitivity and withholding expression from fear (Neptune/Saturn?)...
While I'd think "withholding expression from fear" could be you talking about your natal partile Moon-Saturn trine, that's also a big red flag to me, as is "struggling with hyper-sensitivity." Is that your opinion, or is somebody telling you you aren't being open enough with them and telling you it's because you're afraid and have to overcome your fear.
BIG red flag that somebody is trying to force intimacy on you when you don't want it. Even if that person is your mother, run. If that person is a boyfriend, take the bullets, including the ones in his gun, and run.
If I'm wrong about what's going on, I apologize. Like I said, I had trouble understanding what you were asking. But still, listen kiddo, those two phrases, especially taken together, especially used by a young woman, raise the hair on the back of my neck.
I have angular Neptune too. As much as it gives empathy and an ability to pick up on other people's emotions, it clouds the boundaries over which emotions are mine and which belong to someone else. Less scrupulous people tend to take advantage of an empathetic person as a source of emotional comfort. I never understood why I felt so bad in so many relationships, starting with my birth family. I thought I was just over-sensitive.
When I got better at filtering out the wrong people, and started to experience people who didn't put any emotional pressure on me, it was like night-and-day. I'm almost 38, and the romantic relationship I am in right now is the first one where I feel no pressure. What a relief! It's energizing, not draining. I don't have to play emotional caretaker. I don't feel trapped. I get to be as empathetic as I naturally am, and I don't feel hypersensitive.
I know Neptune and Saturn are considered malefic. But they have their awesome side too. Same with conflict in the chart. It makes you interesting. It gives you drive. It makes for a better story.
I’ve been thinking a lot about the responses I received from my question, going over them, trying to see Neptune/Saturn in my expression. It’s been so long already, I figured it is time to just respond. Thank you all, your replies have provided me with much food for thought.
First off, I’m not entirely sure where I was coming from in my question. I can hardly remember now.. but I do have a distinct emotional memory of feeling depressed for some time, probably due to cornering myself in the box of the descriptions for Neptune and Saturn angular. The analysis appears to be heavy, and a weight fell on me and made me wonder why I was incarnated with such challenging malefic planets on Angle.
This past year has been rough. I’ve been stretched to work harder for stability.. while much of my life has undergone major changes. And with Saturn conjunct my sun, and Neptune conjunct my moon, the ordeals of the recent year have shaken up the Neptune/Saturn ergies in me that were otherwise unknown to me before.
This is a brief summary of what I have thought about most: Jim, you mentioned that Neptune/Saturn restricts possibilities? Is that because Neptune has the function of formulating subjective reality, I guess, the khu of the personality? The sheaths that make the harsh light of life more bearable for those not ready to face it (if you can excuse my vague language). While Saturn has the function of surviving in a harsh world of matter. These both appear to be isolating, distancing. And in a way, that is what I have been running up against. Feeling distanced between myself and others, a fear of opening up and embracing the chaotic nature of a continually changing field of experience. I really long to be connected more with my loved ones, but channels to experience and express that desire have been limited. I speculate that this is due to my urge to close up when emotional stimulus gets too intense, and the past year, from my perspective, has been filled with intense emotions. So, I guess my question is, how do I open myself up to embracing change while Neptune and Saturn are imposing limitations in me?
And JSaD, no need to worry, all of this is internal. I have amazing friends, a loving partner, and surprisingly, a pretty good relationship with my family now that I have moved out and am living on my own. But that’s the thing, I have a very good life, and I am learning how to accept it and be grateful. Maybe Moon/Saturn has me looking for something to struggle against, and I need to be more receptive to a now nurturing environment.
And Avshalom, thank you for your response. You pointed me to look at the benefits of Neptune, and I’m beginning to see a little more how much of a choice I have to express my natal chart beneficiently.
