The odds n ends of right after birth

[Soft Alpaca]

Curious if anyone knows how long it takes to cut the core, clean the baby, check it's temp, weigh it and etc.? My birth time was recorded after all of this was done in addition to the doctors leaving the room to get the documents and write out my name. My father said around 7:15 is his best guess to when I was born about 15 minutes before the time on my certificate. Curious if anyone has any experience working in a hospital on how long this would take. I don't trust my father or mother's memory.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

In the US, in hospitals where I worked, a nurse records the time within a minute or two of birth. The doctor checks the nursing notes before filling out the birth certificate, which can be days later especially if the mother hasn't chosen a name.
Only mother gets to name the baby, BTW. She's the only provable relative present at the birth.

A nurse takes the baby and runs the APGAR assessment, and records it and the time before the baby is washed, weighed and so on. Your parents were busy and recording the time was not their job. Your mother's doctor was HER doctor, not yours. You had a nurse or a neonatalogist was called in if you showed any abnormalities.

This is why we rely on recorded birth time from birth certificates. It's usually very accurate. Not saying yours was, but if you start to try to rectify it based on guesses, well.. that's too weird for me.

[Soft Alpaca]

Mine was not accurate, the doctor did everything my father and mom were both there. Like i said the birth time was recorded when the papers were filled out not when I was born. Honestly astrology is weirder then someone messing up a time at birth. I was too born in a state were such mistakes are seemingly made frequently. Anyway was just curious.

[Jim Eshelman]

I agree with JSAD on all of the above - yes, we have, in this country, a nurse whose job includes catching the birth moment.

So: Are you sure that in your home town nobody looks at a clock until all of the other steps are done?

I'd love it if it turned out your birth time was half an hour earlier, around 6:45 AM, because that would resolve pretty much every problem and seeming discrepancy you've identified in your chart. However, that isn't a good basis for adjusting a birth time.

If you'd like to get into that process, open a new thread in the Misc Natal section giving dates, places (and, if available, times) for 6-12 major events, especially of a separative or traumatic sort (though a few can be positive events).

[Soft Alpaca]

I've noted there is a particular sensitivity to Neptune in me lately and I believe it's transit is aspecting my moon, but everything I've been reading on unaspected Neptune and first house Neptune I've noted as espically accurate. In fact I'm even considering working on a ship as a chef after school. Would said change in birth chart time change the view on this too?

I'll try to get 6 important dates. I did take notice that the Sun was not up at my birth, that is the only Constancy in every account I've found, and eventhough it is winter the Sun would be able to be seen at the recorded time. The time on the certificate was recorded after sunrise on the date I was born. Also there was low wind and no precipitation recorded so the likelyness of the sun being covered is also low.

[Jim Eshelman]

I've noted there is a particular sensitivity to Neptune in me lately and I believe it's transit is aspecting my moon, but everything I've been reading on unaspected Neptune and first house Neptune I've noted as espically accurate. In fact I'm even considering working on a ship as a chef after school. Would said change in birth chart time change the view on this too?

It would put Mercury exactly rising in a very close square to Neptune (one measured in a different reference circle than the ecliptic, which only exists for a few minutes right around that time).

I did take notice that the Sun was not up at my birth, that is the only Constancy in every account I've found, and eventhough it is winter the Sun would be able to be seen at the recorded time.

Visible sunrise was 7:30 AM.

[Soft Alpaca]

7:31 am in my birth town (I gave u guys a town close by that is larger). My cert says 7:32. So it's dark out when the Sun is up at my birth time, unless there was an eclipse I doubt that this is true. Meaning that my father is proabably right in saying they recorded my birth after it had happened.

[Soft Alpaca]

I did read over Mercury Neptune and I can't say I agree with it. Puzzles espicaly frustrate me. I would call Neptune active on an emotional level not on a mental level, espically due to many of my Neptunial events in life happen in a less than concious level. My memory sucks btw and most every thing is foggy for me.

[Jim Eshelman]

Probably. (I'm sure they didn't record it before <g>.)

What was the actual town? It matters, at least a little, that we get the coordinates right, and we probably have the right coordinates for even small towns in Pennsylvania.

[Soft Alpaca]

Chambersburg

[Jim Eshelman]

Thanks. Minor difference, but may be relevant if we start trying to rectify the chart.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

7:31 am in my birth town (I gave u guys a town close by that is larger). My cert says 7:32. So it's dark out when the Sun is up at my birth time....

What the... No it's not. First light is about 5:50AM, Nautical twilight is 6:25 and Civil twilight is 6:55AM. It's not dark out! Unless they happen to be looking at it, most people never notice sunset or sunrise.

If sunrise is too early for you, go out at sunset and use your eyes!

This is why we have to deal with Tropical Claptrap!

[Jim Eshelman]

7:31 am in my birth town (I gave u guys a town close by that is larger). My cert says 7:32. So it's dark out when the Sun is up at my birth time....

What the... No it's not. First light is about 5:50AM, Nautical twilight is 6:25 and Civil twilight is 6:55AM. It's not dark out! Unless they happen to be looking at it, most people never notice sunset or sunrise.

Jupe, sorry, you are maybe looking at a different date or place? On December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA, astrological sunrise (0°00' altitude) was 7:36:11 AM, with visiblesunrise (upper limb crossing horizon, corrected for refraction etc.) at 7:31:08 AM. (The 7:30 I gave before was for Carlisle.)

Oh, wait, I get it - you meant today. Sunrise today in Elkhorn, NE was 5:51:50 AM.

[Soft Alpaca]

Either way it was dark out when I was born, so I was born before my birth cert time.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Jupe, sorry, you are maybe looking at a different date or place? On December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA, astrological sunrise (0°00' altitude) was 7:36:11 AM, with visiblesunrise (upper limb crossing horizon, corrected for refraction etc.) at 7:31:08 AM. (The 7:30 I gave before was for Carlisle.)

It isn't dark right before sunrise any more than it's dark right after sunset.
First light, (the beginning of Astronomical Twilight) on December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA was at 5:53 AM.
Nautical Twilight on December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA began at 6:26 AM.
Dawn, or Sunrise on December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA was at 7:31 AM
Sunset on December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA was at 4:52 PM, giving a daylength of 9 hours, 21 minutes and 04 secs.
Nautical Twilight on December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA ended at 5:56 PM
Astronomical Twilight on December 27, 1999 in Chambersburg, PA ended at 6:29 PM
Scarlet said it was dark out when he was born. It wasn't dark out by any stretch of anybody's definition for at least a half hour before sunrise, and most people wouldn't call it "dark out" for at least an hour before.

If Scarlet were born when it was dark out, he was born at least a half hour before his birth certificate time, although he also said he doubted his father's memory, and I doubt his birth certificate is off by more than a minute, maybe two.

[Soft Alpaca]

Except everyone was conclusive that it was dark out, not just the father.

[Jim Eshelman]

Can they say more about what that means? Pitch black? Were there still street lights on? How can we measure the depths of the darkness in your soul, er, I mean, you're birth hour?

[Soft Alpaca]

Humorous actualy Jim. Idk if you would be surprised with my Capricorn Mars and Pluto Moon [which btw if Pluto throws the energy of the Moon into high speed that could explain my empathic abilities]. People who use houses say that Neptune in the first is a chameleon, but I'm more jump from behind the bushes myself.

A monster is a monster for a reason, and for the right people I will be a monster. Pluto is about extremes and I can say that speaking from experience.

Anyway I'll ask how dark is dark.

[Soft Alpaca]

Can they say more about what that means? Pitch black? Were there still street lights on? How can we measure the depths of the darkness in your soul, er, I mean, you're birth hour?

Note as I was reading this my Pandora was playing one of Charles Mansons prision tapes [on my ocean/by the sea music station...]

[Soft Alpaca]

It was pitch black at my birth.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

When did your father observe it was "pitch black" outside? Was it a window or was he outside?

The Moon rose at 9:28 PM on the 26th and didn't set (go below the horizon) till 11:20 AM on the 27th. The Moon was waning but it was still about 3/4 full. So, "pitch black" isn't what I would expect at any time before sunrise on the 27th.

You really really need to do what Jim suggested above

If you'd like to get into that process, open a new thread in the Misc Natal section giving dates, places (and, if available, times) for 6-12 major events, especially of a separative or traumatic sort (though a few can be positive events).

[Soft Alpaca]

Except I can't guarantee accurate dates because although life changing events have happened, I can barely remember my name sometimes. My birth started around 12 hours before I was born i do know that.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

If you can't give even accurate dates, you can't **at this time** rectify your chart. You have to go by your birth certificate time now, while recording the exact date, place and time of any important events in your life going forward. Eventually, you'll have enough to use to rectify your chart.
I know you want to change it all around right now! but you have to have enough information to go on to do that. Sorry.

Don't just record major events (got fired! got married! had an operation!) but smaller things too. But they need to be events, not feelings. While feelings are real, they don't have the pinpoint power of actual physical events.
Just for instance, I posted here recently about a tooth that started to hurt after I was already scheduled for dental surgery. Jim was able to pinpoint when it was going to feel better with progressions. I have an accurate (birth certificate) time.

Record the events in your phone at the time, but I can't suggest strongly enough you also get a little notebook and write it down in there. Phones die. Notebooks get lost too, but the point here is have a backup.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes... Jupe has outlined this very well.

On historic, life-changing events, give the best you can. If you can't say something happened to the day, can you say to the month? Are there dates you can pin down and look up?

Going forward, there may be big events (and yes, events, not just feelings). But one kind of event that works very well ONCE WE ARE ALREADY VERY CLOSE TO AN ACCURATE BIRTH TIME is the minute you lose control of your temper in a big way and blow off explosively at someone. Something of enormous force that, in the moment, you just can't keep from coming forth into physical-world manifestation. (This is how psychological states are turned into events - they keep exteriorizing from within us, much like a volcano.) These are excellent rectification events, but we need a few "bigger deal" things to make a "rough cut" (feel confident we are within 15 minutes of a birth time) first.

So, as I mentioned in the other thread, there are three mutually exclusive possibilities for your birth time, and it would help if you felt confident picking one of those three reports. (I won't repeat it here, you can find it in the other thread.)

Additionally, you probably do have events you can track. For example, you've said several times that you've raised two children. Was this from their birth? Was their birth a big deal event for you? You surely can give us their birth dates, in that case, and a statement on the immediate impact of that event on you. - That's just an example, of course.

[Soft Alpaca]

I came out to my friends first day of 10th grade, sometime at the end of August it would have been a monday

Moved in with my grandparents after my parents got arrested in April of 2012 [they were arrested right around easter, we were away with the grandparents]

Around Halloween [might have been Halloween night] 2005 I was scared along with my siblings by my mom's bf dressed as the scream with a scythe

I got my eagle scout project complete around April 20th of this year [It was finalized]

I graduated officaly June 2nd.

I started practicing astrology November 2016

See my problem is the exact days

[Jim Eshelman]

These are great, thanks. I can start working with this. It would help if you could add a few details on how intensive the event was for you and how it felt or impacted when it happened. (For example, was coming out to your friends a big deal, with emotions and repercussions added positive or negative, or something simpler?) Also, did all of these occur at your birthplace, or somewhere else?

I came out to my friends first day of 10th grade, sometime at the end of August it would have been a Monday

What year did you start 10th grade?

Moved in with my grandparents after my parents got arrested in April of 2012 (they were arrested right around easter, we were away with the grandparents)

The first Full Moon after the 2012 vernal equinox was Friday, April 6, so Easter would have been Sunday, April 8, 2012. I can work with this.

Around Halloween [might have been Halloween night] 2005 I was scared along with my siblings by my mom's bf dressed as the scream with a scythe

So we'll use evening of October 31, 2005 as an approximate time.

I got my eagle scout project complete around April 20th of this year (It was finalized)

Congratulations, and we'll go with April 20, 2018 as an approximate date. I'm guessing this was a point of pride and accomplishment?

I graduated officaly June 2nd.

This may not be a usable date, since it is a formality, selected by a calendar, and timing in your horoscope couldn't have shifted it earlier or later. (Congratulations, though )

I started practicing astrology November 2016

Good enough for a start.

See my problem is the exact days

That's OK, let's see how far this take us.

[Jim Eshelman]

Please give me any feedback that you can on my mental meanderings through this, any specific questions, etc.

I came out to my friends first day of 10th grade, sometime at the end of August it would have been a Monday

This was 2015. It could have been August 31, 2015, or a week earlier. How early did school usually start?

I'm starting with the 7:15 chart, just because I have to have somewhere to start.

TRANSITS: Venus-Mars opposed your Uranus. That's pretty much text book, but it doesn't help us with the time.

Your LUNAR RETURN August 16 is quite unpleasant. It primarily has Saturn on Descendant. If the angles were 4 earlier, this would shift to Jupiter square Ascendant. Oh, your Uranus is near MC.

I'm betting it was August 31, because your August 29 DEMI-LUNAR has Uranus rising, among other things. This doesn't help refine the time, but does confirm we're probably in the right broad range.

Your SOLAR RETURN covering 2015 has Jupiter on MC, suggesting that it was a year of victories and positive rewards. (Your Uranus is also engaged if the birth time doesn't shift much.)

Moved in with my grandparents after my parents got arrested [which happened approximately April 8, 2012'], we were away with the grandparents)

TRANSITS would make more sense if the birth time were later, e.g., transiting Saturn at 1°58' Libra might have been on your MC for this. That would be closer to 7:30.

PROGRESSIONS are interesting and show a mix of things happening right about then, but nothing specifically useful to pinning down a time (especially since we don't have an exact event day). Ah, we're close, though, since (for a 7:15 birth) progressed Moon is square your Saturn (while concurrently sextile progressed Venus, which squares your natal Moon). This still gives us considerable leeway - more than an hour either direction - but is really good symbolism and surely shows you have a high responsiveness to progressions.

Your Lunar Return occurred April 4 and covered the next four weeks. Its main feature is angular Jupiter, exactly square your natal Uranus (on EP). At most, this suggests the being taken supportively in some sort of shifting time, but it's not crystal clear. If you birth were a bit later, natal Neptune would be rising instead - this would only be appropriate if the main characteristic of the time was confusion and "what happens now?" sort of uncertainty (was it?). If the events were as late as April 15-16 or after, you have a two-week Demi-Lunar that again (for 7:15) has Jupiter exactly angular and a Mars-Neptune opposition (but it's stronger for a later, not earlier, birth time).

Your Mars would be angular (for about 7:15 or the half hour or so earlier) which would be appropriate if your primary reaction was angry acting out. But you've now confirmed that your reaction was not anger but was relief. This (taken by itself, in isolation) discourages looking at earlier times and favors the later ones with Jupiter and Jupiter-Uranus.

Again, a progressed Moon says we're on the right track broadly: Progressed Solar Return Moon conoined your Uranus that month.

Around Halloween [might have been Halloween night] 2005 I was scared along with my siblings by my mom's bf dressed as the scream with a scythe

So we'll use evening of October 31, 2005 as an approximate time. This, you said, was the PTSD event, which should prove an especially powerful one.

TRANSITS: Neptune conjoined your Uranus, which wouldn't trigger this as a transit alone, but would befitting if it fell to an angle of a relevant return chart. Uranus widely opposed your Moon and squared your Pluto, not close enough to count alone but, again, something to watch for on return angles.

PROGRESSIONS: Progressed Moon was in orb of square natal Mars, certainly appropriate for a fright and the adrenaline-fear response it would trigger. There are other small things, none of which contribute to highlighting the birth time.

Your LUNAR RETURN set up October 28 and applied to the following month. It has a Moon-Uranus opposition across the horizon (square your Pluto). It doesn't help narrow things, because it could be comparably strong for the entire range of times we're examining.

Your SOLAR RETURN for the year gives us some promising information: Its Ascendant was 24° Aries. Transiting Mars on Halloween night was 22°32' Aries. This would be an exactly appropriate transit for the occasion. If you SSR Ascendant were exactly where Mars was at, say, 9 PM October 31, that would suggest a birth time of about 7:10 AM. (Remember, I'm just gathering individual scraps of information, none of which are definitive by themselves, and looking for patterns.)

Your progressed Solar Return Moon squared Jupiter, which just doesn't describe this event at all.

I got my eagle scout project complete around April 20 [2018] (It was finalized)

You've confirmed that this was a long-term victory, which I'm sure was a point of pride and accomplishment.

TRANSITS alone were minor (for our present purpose), e.g., Venus opposite your Venus.

PROGRESSIONS were quite interesting, though. Progressed Moon at 2°30' was just past conjunct your progressed Jupiter. Birth would have to be about 20 minutes earlier (6:55 or earlier) for it still to be within a 1° orb. It's quite a fitting aspect.

Your LUNAR RETURN is splendid! Jupiter is exactly at Midheaven, which is a fabulous indicator of such an accomplishment. For 7:15 birth, Jupiter was 1 1/2° after MC, so anytime from (estimating) 6:55to 7:20 would have it within 3°. (It doesn't have to be that close, but this chart is feeling like it was all about Jupiter being exactly on MC, so I'll start there.)

It might not be that close, though, because your Venus is a little later, and having both your Venus and transiting Jupiter on the angle together (conjunct) is even a better event. So we're still playing with a range. Venus would tip it to the later side. This also brings your Neptune up.

Your April 12 Demi-Lunar had occurred in between, and it's more of a crazy-making chart. Moon-Neptune are near the MC. It discourages me from wanting to name a birth time later than 7:15, because that would start moving Saturn closer to an angle - Saturn-Neptune being rather morbid and heart-sickening. Unless there was some ugly, soul-deadening think that happened as part of this event (or another event in the two weeks after April 11), we likely don't have a time any later than around 7:15. A later time would increasingly highlight wounded pride, rather than righteous pride (Saturn and your Sun setting together), so I doubt the later times.

Your SOLAR RETURN gives a progressed Moon-Pluto square exact to the minute, which would be appropriate if this were a really big deal event (as it seems it was). This doesn't help us with the time, though.

I started practicing astrology November 2016

If I look at planets for, say, November 15, I immediately notice Uranus at 26° Pisces, a couple of degrees earlier than your 7"15' IC. This would be one interesting transit. This would suggest a birthtime around 7:04 (with several minutes of leeway, plus the possibility that this wasn't the triggering transit - but it's a good one). - Uranus, however, could have been concentrating on your progressed Sun and (especially) Mercury instead.

Your October 26 LUNAR RETURN doesn't help much. It has your natal Venus, Mars, and Neptune exactly angular, which probably gave a significant event but wouldn't directly relate to picking up the study of astrology. You had another Lunar Return November 22 (think: just before Thanksgiving) that emphasized a Moon-Neptune opposition to your natal Moon-Pluto, and at least reflects "lots of weird stuff," but isn't a clean hit.

Your SOLAR RETURN for the year beginning December 27, 2015, has Uranus rising. It's a little better for a later birth time, but I've become suspicious of times later than 7:15, and it's good enough for the whole range. Also, progressed Solar Return Moon would oppose your natal Uranus about a month later - it wasn't quite there - perhaps your interest accelerated or there was more of a sense of discovery in December?

Dec 29th I believe of [2017] I got my first tattoo a black mamba snake skeleton warped around my left wrist. It was very important for me it {nassed} my gram parents [the ones in living with, stepdads parents off] but my mom and her mom, my mom's sister and many others in the family have tattoos so it was like a rite of passage for me.

I thought this would be a fun event to try.

TRANSITS do concentrate on the 7:15 time pretty well, since (for that time) Saturn was on your Ascendant and Uranus on your IC (conjunct your Jupiter regardless of time). It's a great pair of planets for taking a rebellious and individualizing yourself. There are other interesting transits that don't help with the time, such as Venus exactly conjunct your Sun.

PROGRESSIONS probably have a contribution to make, but without a clear birth time it's hard to tell. For 7:15, progressed Moon conjoined your natal IC, which could be quite consistent with, say, owning a maternal legacy. But with such uncertainty on the birth time, I'm not going to jump to that conclusion. (It's individualizing, "rite of passage" stuff either way, since it squares your progressed Sun within 1°.)

The clear "line in the sand," though, is that this is right after your birthday, with a new SOLAR RETURN. Strangely, this doesn't show much - Neptune angular opposite your Moon and square your Pluto. I can't say this is helpful.

Your LUNAR RETURN occurred December 9 and also has the Moon-Neptune opposition (square your Pluto) on the angles. This time, though, it's squared by Venus! - so you were doing the rebellion, doing a new weird-aff thing, and there is art involved (I'm being simplistic). This would be stronger if the birth time were earlier than 7:15 (it's good enough the way it is, but getting that Venus squarely involved makes a lot of sense) - a "perfect chart" (which also ends up putting Sun on Midheaven, which feels fitting) suggests a birth time of 7:00 AM.

Your DEMI-LUNAR RETURN December 24 has the Moon-Neptune angular again, this time square Ascendant (and square the rising Mercury). It also puts Venus, Saturn, and Sun triply conjoined on EP. I don't think this helps us, other than suggesting (because of the tighter orbs for square to Ascendant) that the 7:15 time or one not much earlier is on target. We can't go earlier than 7:02 and have both Moon and Neptune within 2° of square Ascendant, or earlier than 6:58 for a 3° orb.

Halloween of [2017] was important as it marked the headway I had made in the voodon religion... I found the day of the dead [in Mexican, Voodon, and Celtic cultures, as they all celebrate it at the same time around the world, a very important and spiritual holiday for me].

Dang... I wrote a whole lot on this and then lost it. I'm going to try to reconstruct it.

TRANSITS are very interesting. A time of day for the event would help, as would more information on exactly what the event was. (It sounds like it was a revelation or disclosure, and this does match several possible themes.) Descriptive but not helpful with the time is Uranus' conjunction with your Jupiter. Fitting on its own I Saturn at 29°35' Scorpio conjunct your Mercury (and it would be sweet if this were also your Ascendant - but that would require a time of around 6:45 am). For a birth time of around 7 AM, Pluto would conjoin your Eastpoint by transit. For something more like 7:07 AM (depending on time of day for the event), Venus would conjoin your natal MC. A lot of possibilities.

Your LUNAR RETURN is interesting, and would be more interesting with a slightly earlier time - if this was a revelation or disclosure event - because it would put your Uranus on an angle. (You have your Saturn either way, but that would only be exact for a later time, which I now doubt.) Your Neptune hovers around possible angles. The whole is quite interesting, but we can only get the real effect once we know the birth time better.

Your DEMI-LUNAR occurred October 30, and one would expect this to be the pivotal chart. It does have a Moon-Neptune conjunction angular again - square MC, with your Pluto on MC. This seems pretty accurate for what I think you are describing in the event. It doesn't give us a lot of leeway on timing, since the orb for square is small. About the earliest that would preserve this would be a 7 AM birth time. Your Mars is rising regardless.

[Soft Alpaca]

2015 start of sophomore year.

The scythe attack has left me with ptsd I'm fairly certain but also Saturn and Pluto [maybe mars rules this too] but I'm probably getting a scythe tattoo in rememberance of the event.

Dec 29th I believe of last year I got my first tattoo a black mamba snake skeleton warped around my left wrist. It was very important for me it {nassed} my gram parents [the ones in living with, stepdads parents off] but my mom and her mom, my mom's sister and many others in the family have tattoos so it was like a rite of passage for me.

Eagle scout was a long term victory ive been in scouts many years and I saw it through till the end

Halloween of last year was important as it marked the headway I had made in the voodon religion and that I could separate hoodoo and voodoo. I was much in to lwa papa ghede and the ghede family, I found the day of the dead [in Mexican, Voodon, and Celtic cultures, as they all celebrate it at the same time around the world, a very important and spiritual holiday for me].

[Soft Alpaca]

My reaction to their arrest was relief not anger. I found out after I got home from the vacation.

[Jim Eshelman]

So... where does this morass of data leave us? What did I find along the way and how do the pieces fit together? Here are the parts that seem helpful.

Moved in with grandparents after parents were arrested, event was a relief, roughly April 8, 2012'

One of many events that confirms that we are broadly in the right range for the range of birth times we're considering.

Various factors keep suggesting that times later than 7:15 aren't workable.

Around 10/31/05 frightening event with siblings, PTSD remains

Transiting Mars on Solar Return Asc suggest a time of around 7:10.

Completed Eagle Scout (finalized: proud success)

Progressed Moon conjunct Jupiter requires nothing after 6:55 AM. SLR with Jupiter at MC suggest 6:55 to 7:20. Demi-Lunar makes me deeply doubt anything later than 7:15.

12/28/17 first tattoo, black mamba snake skeleton, important because it {nassed} off grandparents while embracing mother's side's legacy

Some transits concentrate on 7:15 pretty well. Lunar Returns (full and demi) are clearest, suggesting about 7:00 AM. (Demi suggests no earlier than 6:58 for best effect).

10/31/17 marked headway in voodon religion

All sorts of interesting possibilities from transits, but nothing definitive. Points to about 7 AM.

[Soft Alpaca]

I thought the tattoo would be interesting to draw up.

The last day of December, net years eve party 2017. Around 11 pm I lit candles and did my first mixed Oracle and tarot reading after my stepdads side of the family had up set me by harassing me/whispering about my tattoo and how I would regret it and etc. It had affirmed my serpentine nature for what my solution to the issue was the snake Oracle card. Reperesting healing,shedding skin, and change.

I took a picture of the card set, and the wheel of fortune is the tarot card associated with the snake oracle card.

[Jim Eshelman]

A lot of this points to right about 7:00 AM, or perhaps a little earlier. Something between 6:55 and 7:00 AM. One even suggested no earlier than 6:58, which is about half-way between them.

I can polish this with quotidians, most likely, but I'd like some confirmation that these all occurred at your birth place (or a different location, if it didn't occur at your birth place). I'll go ahead and rough something out, but it's a lot of work, so I'd appreciate confirmation of the times soon.

Many of the events aren't amenable to quotidian finalization, because they are imprecise. I tried checking primary angles of the natal, to bypass this problem, but got nowhere. So, where we have enough of a date for it to be useful, I'm using the quotidian of the natal chart (SNQ) and of the solar return (SQ). I'm starting with 6:58AM.

Came out to friends 8/31/15

SNQ: r Sun on IC, appropriate for an "identity" event, adjust time -4min
SQ: nothing clear without ore info on event

Moved in with grandparents after parents arrested around 4/8/12

Insufficient precision on date.

Approx 10/31/05 very bad fright with residual consequences

SNQ: t Mars on Dsc, adjust time +4min; or r Mars on IC (squared by p Moon), adjust time -7min; t Neptune sq. Asc, adjust time -5min. (The earlier times are more consistently reliable and fit together, plus has the effect of bringing a maturing progression right to the angle.)
SQ:

Eagle Scout approx. 4/20/18

SNQ: Best fit is t Venus op. r Venus sq. MC for -6min adjustment
SQ: Neptune conjoined natal Uranus on SQ Asc, adjust -8min

Started astrology 11/2016 (I suspect after 11/22

Insufficient precision on date

12/29/17 first tattoo

SNQ: p MC on Mars, adjust +9min; p MC op. r Saturn exactly (no adjustment); nothing quite right, but Mars for the needle is adequate
SQ: s Saturn on Dsc, not convincing; r Mars on MC for -14min adjustment (?)

10/31/17 importantly marked headway in the voodoun religion

SNQ: Nothing clear without more info on event, all sorts of possibilities
SQ: nothing

[Jim Eshelman]

The SNQ had the more consistent results (which is what I'm used to seeing), and the SQ added some. After starting with 6:58 AM as a "working time," and hoping I have the right location for all these events, here is how the suggested corrections tally (in minutes):

-4
-6 (from -7 and -5)
-6

One excellent SQ result also suggested -8.

Altogether, these suggest an average 6 minute adjustment, or a time of 6:52 AM. Please note that this remains speculative - it's a "rough cut" - it needs to be watched going forward. But it seems to me a strong "best fit" for the events you've provided and the information we have to date.

[Jim Eshelman]

My best assessment from all of this is that you were born December 27, 1999, 6:52 AM EST in Chambersburg, PA. Mercury is 0°27' above Asc, Sun 8°13' below. The first degree of Sagittarius is on Ascendant. Neptune does not make a PVP square to Mercury (Neptune, in fact, is not due east as it would have been several minutes earlier).

Here is the chart:

[Soft Alpaca]

So what changes biased on this rough cut would suggest. A mercury rising as the only angular planet?

[Jim Eshelman]

So what changes biased on this rough cut would suggest. A mercury rising as the only angular planet?

Yes. That's the main thing. (And a lesser amount of Sun.)

It doesn't make you less Sagittarius-Leo, but the chart is no longer "double down" by having Jupiter and Sun closely angular AND Sagittarius-Leo luminaries. The proportions shift.

[Jim Eshelman]

Here are the most important factors in your chart now, arranged more or less in order of importance (that is, you can build later remarks into the context created by what you understand from the earlier remarks). This isn't a fully integrated interpretation but, rather, the building blocks of one, with all the contradictions existing that have to be resolved by living.

ANGULAR PLANETS
Angular Mercury (Asc 0°27')
Alert, attentive, observant, strategic, analytic. Mentally sharp, hard to fool (knows more about you than you think). Little emotional affect, hard to read. Nervous (anxiety? worry? touchy?). Easily bored without regular mental stimulation. Good at precise, detailed work; naturals at handling business. Curiosity drives sexual choices as much as any other factor.

Mercury in Scorpio
Outspoken, opinionated, candid. Enjoys mental/verbal competition (arguments or humor). Needs intellectual freedom, resists mainstream ideas & institutional thinking. Mind sharp, strong, strategic (fault-finding). Strains nervous system (nervous irritation). Good singing voice.

Mercury Sextile Mars (0°05')
Quite a charmer with wit & edgy humor. Mind is quick, creative, strategic, opinionated. Independent thinker, enjoys argument, critical, nervous. Vulnerability to addiction.

Mercury Trine Jupiter (0°56')
Intelligent; seems well-read, educated. Loves ideas & learning, comfortable with words. Good-tempered, kind. Optimistic. Business potential (from luck more than skill?). Always awaiting the next opportunity or break.

Angular Sun (Asc 8°13')
Warm, friendly, generous, shining their light on the world (often in a paternal, possibly controlling, sense). Vital, assertive, confident (or acts it). Aware they have purpose (goal, destiny) they must seek, find, and actualize. At best: Is in charge of self & does well leading others (can be bossy, demanding, entitled). Needs centricity (attracts satellites; may expect others’ world to revolve around them). Drawn to proud, useful institutions. Instinct for immortality.

MOON
Moon in Leo
Emotions intertwined with pride. Strong, noble, proud, natural leader, courageous, confident, practical, effective, indomitable. Dramatic; seldom pretentious. Gregarious (court of friends & admirers). Entertainer. Discriminating in romance. Needs warm, affectionate interaction; may retain aloof mask. Business over sentiment.

Moon Square Pluto (1°22')
Bold & forthright, questioning & challenging, maverick & alien; independent, “marching to a different drummer,” resisting authority. Avoids habitual conformity (rebellious?); resists conventional conditioning and being made to concur with others’ values and codes. Restless, unwilling to be still for long, can uproot or take to the road on little notice. Deeply inquiring into existential mysteries, often igniting remarkable intuitive insights.

Moon Trine Saturn (0°36')
Hardworking, self-driving. Encourages others. Usually emotionally reserved, private. Resistant to others’ rules & control (passive-aggressive response). Parent issues persist (nourishment-deprivation). Judgmental, intolerant, distrustful. Can be pessimistic, feeling inferior, anxious, depressed.

Moon Sesqui-square Jupiter (0°11')
Ambitious, desires success. Social elitism (feigned superiority, aristocratic conceit). Drawn to quality: desires the best. Good-humored, entertaining, kind, generous (natural host). Strong beliefs (religious or patriotic intensity, morality, judgment).

SUN
Sun in Sagittarius
Social elitism, aristocracy. Excellence, quality. Higher & higher, ambition, travel. Judges self & others, may fail own standards. Right-wrong, reward-punishment, belief- & values-driven. Respects continuity of culture & social rituals. Preserves status quo, heritage, myth when possible. Loyal to tribe. Complacent affection.

MARS
Mars in Capricorn
Courage, stands own ground (prefers action to complaining). Confrontational, discontent: creates unnecessary struggle & conflict (over authority, control, father issues). Private, secretive, self-veiling. (Mysterious façade, or deceptive; to avoid control, look good, or not be found out). Much unresolved shadow; vulnerable to dark moods; carries past darkness around. Sexually forthright (strong needs + practicality).

Venus Square Mars (1°27')
Passion (in all senses), feels powerfully about things. Strong sexual passions mature early, continue late, rarely encumbered by too many conditions. Broadly fun-loving, socially active, loves romance: interesting, likable, sociable, horny people. Relationships, often picked for ferocity, easily hit conflict, strain, or burnout. (More likely homicidal than suicidal.)

Mars Sextile Jupiter (1°01')
Playful, strong, competitive, enterprising. Zest, vitality, enthusiasm, courage, confidence. Sexually lusty, eager, popular, on the hunt. Generous or extravagant (money flees). Bold with beliefs, evangelical (enthusiasts, missionaries, barnstormers).

VENUS
Venus in Scorpio
Passionate, highly-sexed (strong emotions; moody). Friendly, outgoing, likeable. Affections impulsive & adventurous: enters intimate relationships quickly (but easily rebuffed). Social outsiders early in life, less so in maturity. Impression of sizeable secrets. Need feeling of freedom in romance; not inherently monogamous.

[Soft Alpaca]

Thanks for the reuodaye Jim. My A.C. is just a tease being in Saggitarius by just a smidgen. Although it doesn't change much does it? I normally use the IAU gal center over Fagan/Bradley in my chart, but I don't mention it here bc this is your site and therefore your systems. So im a Scorpio on a mental level interesting...