Jupiter - Neptune aspect in manifestation

[TheScales_BothWays]

Not sure whether are you speaking of the aspect in the context of natal astrology, or as transits falling on Solunar return angles - probably the latter.

Most of us don't live our lives that way, true, but sometimes transiting aspects mark points of our lives where we do tend to lean on or head in that direction, I think.

I'm not usually a social person in my early teens, but as I got closer to my 2015 SSR which had Venus angular, I got more active in social media, listened to more and more pop music, and learnt more about the current happenings around the world. And then the SSR began, and I made two friends from foreign countries, got more up-to-date in fashion and style, and etc. But it could just be my age too.

So, you may tend to get into Jupiter-Neptune situations as they show up in your Solunar charts. And not all money scams happen because we get into fraudulent money practices, and some don't know that they're in one, which shows the blind optimism this aspect brings.

For some, it may not be religious devotion, but increased spirituality.

Other manifestations can be heightened idealism and hope for humanity, being more humanitarian in general, increased appreciation for the arts, film, drama and theatre. Or even being more creative, it depends on the situation and environment of course.

Negatively, it could bring public or professional embarrassment, some narrow-mindedness (which could lead to bigotry), disillusionment, and the like.

[SteveS]

Scales wrote:

Not sure whether are you speaking of the aspect in the context of natal astrology, or as transits falling on Solunar return angles

Yes, I have the same question cool. Natal or other period charts?

[Jim Eshelman]

The question is posted in the Natal Astrology | Aspects section, so presumably it's about natal aspects Otherwise it needs to be moved to the Transits section.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

The question is posted in the Natal Astrology | Aspects section, so presumably it's about natal aspects Otherwise it needs to be moved to the Transits section.

Since I was born with a co-angularity of Jupiter-Neptune which has definitely molded my main life themes, I will later offer my Jupiter-Neptune life experiences, which I have already done with bits and pieces throughout this forum. But, whenever we endeavor to interpret a Natal Chart, we should always consider a statement by Ebertin:

There are other factors coming up for consideration which cannot be deduced from the natal chart, such as parents and home, upbringing and education, profession, vocation and position and so forth.

Here is the outline for my life with Ebertin's above quoted "factors." I call these factors--ones immediate environments which conditions our life no matter at what TIME is occurring in our life.

1: Parents: My Mother worked in a Drive-Inn Theater when I was born, neither mother/father had a high school education.
2: Home: My Mother lived next door to the Drive-Inn Theater, with the front porch facing the giant Movie Screen. Town: a very poverty stricken small rural town in Alabama. Parents born with nothing but hard work endeavoring to survive life. My father through hard work eventually made a success in his business, but later succumbed to alcoholism by the time I graduated from college. Mother & Father went through a bloody divorce.
3: Upbringing: Exclusively dominated with an 'upbringing' in all phases of the Movie Business, as a 'Country' Boy.
4: Education: Just the basics, taught to read, add, subtract, multiply. But was taught all my life the detailed operations of the Movie Business. Went 4 years to college, learned absolutely nothing except how to party and have fun!
5: Profession: Started working in the Movie Business when I was 6 years old--till retirement at 63. Still dabble in the Movie Theater Business as a consultant for the few very small independent theater owners who have the Theater Business 'in their blood.'
6: Other Vocations/Positions within the Theater Company: Was offered an executive position with a small Theater Company when I graduated from college. Main responsibility: Chief Movie Contractor for the Companies Theater Screens (The Company's Prez recognized me as a 'Natural' in tune with the Movies of my generation). Later was promoted to head decision maker for the Companies Pension Fund and Companies outside Investments. Was 'street' trained by a few experts in the field of commodity speculation and stock investments. These 'experts' were trained through their corporations which employed them., mainly pertaining to the agriculture business. Being born in 1947 in a small Alabama town, agriculture dominated the way of life for most, it was called 'farming.' These savvy 'experts' were raised and taught all phases of the farming business as I was taught the Movie Business. I was recognized by these 'experts' as a natural speculator with winning skills through my consistent winnings on the local poker tables. There is great truth in the old saying: Its not what you know--its who you know. My angular Jupiter-Node destined me to come into 'contact' with these 'street' wise investment people.
7: Religion: None! Only Astrology! My parents did not belong to any kind of Church. Discovered Astrology at my first Saturn Return.

Details later how my un-afflicted Natal Jupiter-Neptune Signature manifested through all threads of my life.

[Veronica]

I think my conjunction of these two and the moon in scorpio, and enhanced by my pluto and made dynamic by my sun was a what led me to be very very interested in the workings of FDR especially his dealings with gold and the FIAT money system we are now under, who also had this conjuction and used to be one of my my favorite presidents. that's just off the top of my head.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Jim wrote:

The question is posted in the Natal Astrology | Aspects section, so presumably it's about natal aspects Otherwise it needs to be moved to the Transits section.

Since I was born with a co-angularity of Jupiter-Neptune which has definitely molded my main life themes, I will later offer my Jupiter-Neptune life experiences, which I have already done with bits and pieces throughout this forum.
... .
Details later how my un-afflicted Natal Jupiter-Neptune Signature manifested through all threads of my life.

Steve, please start a thread for this in Home >Natal Astrology >Discuss Your Own Horoscope . I'll move these posts over there. Let's not co-mingle our personal experiences with Jim's interpretations based on statistics and multiple experiences.

[Arena]

JSAD, I must say that it is indeed VERY helpful to have a personal real life first-hand experience from a person with a Jupiter-Neptune aspect on an angle. It is not helpful for us, and others who are learning, for you to be pushing such real-life cases out of threads where they have relevance. It does not serve anyone at all.

I had typed an answer to this thread that it matters a lot whether this aspect is in isolation, or if it is afflicted and Steve made a very good point about his unafflicted aspect.

Jim's descriptions on the aspects do not state whether they are for afflicted or unafflicted (and clean) aspects. Nor do they state whether the aspect is also in another aspect with the third and fourth planets.

We don't see an unafflicted Jupiter-Neptune aspect in money scams either it seems. Not even in Madoff's case. It seems to be more of a theather/artistic and possibly religious aspect.
I looked into his chart and he does not have a Jup-Nep aspect in natal nor progressed chart. But he does have a Neptune-Ceres aspect and his pr. Saturn moves onto that aspect when he gets caught. Transits also show Nep-Sat-Jup aspects. In his natal he also has both Venus and Pluto in tight aspect to his Jupiter which can explain how easily he got trusted with other people's money.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Arena, what are you talking about?

Steve plans to post his observations of his unaspected Jupiter Neptune later. What he posted was a long observation of things that aren't reflected in his chart in regard to the Ebertin quote he posted. That doesn't belong in a discussion of Jupiter-Neptune aspects, but in a Discuss Your Own Horoscope thread.

Earlier Cool posted a question that could apply to either natal aspects or progressions or transits. Scales and Steve both asked him what he was trying to start a discussion about because it wasn't clear from his posts. Jim said please don't post about transits and progressions in the Natal Astrology section.

Sorry, but the only things that belong in this thread are observations of natal Jupiter-Neptune aspects. Please don't jump on people (especially administrators) for asking people to stick to the structure of this forum.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

We don't see an unafflicted Jupiter-Neptune aspect in money scams either it seems. Not even in Madoff's case. It seems to be more of a theather/artistic and possibly religious aspect.
I looked into his chart and he does not have a Jup-Nep aspect in natal nor progressed chart. But he does have a Neptune-Ceres aspect and his pr. Saturn moves onto that aspect when he gets caught. Transits also show Nep-Sat-Jup aspects. In his natal he also has both Venus and Pluto in tight aspect to his Jupiter which can explain how easily he got trusted with other people's money.

The progressions and transits aren't really relevant here.
I doubt there's much in his chart describing why Madoff chose to use money-related scams. I think looking for aspects relating to his being a crook and a deceiver would be more to the point. Personally, I'd look for what his chart has in common with Trump's and Manafort's.

[Jim Eshelman]

For starters, Madoff is a double Aries: power and money driven and pretty much figuring that other people's rules don't apply to him.

Next, he's a spoiled, self-indulgent Aries, with Jupiter exactly angular in close square to Venus. Besides that strong, positive aspect, his Jupiter is afflicted by a close semi-square from Saturn and a wider square from Mars. It is also exactly sextile Mercury, usually decent in business but sometimes criminigenic: it's probably just good at wheeling and dealing either way.

This doesn't make him a crook. It could have made him a philanthropic entrepreneur with a little dark side that didn't show much. He's clearly made to be a money guy and a power player, but the chart doesn't show him more crooked than three-fourths of the world. That likely came from his life situation.

[SteveS]

coolcool wrote:

Now we all know these planetary combo might indicate money scam or religious devotion.
But many of us live honest lives, neither involve themselves in fraudulent monetary practices nor believe in religion, then how will the aspect manifest for them?
any thoughts on this?

I have many “thoughts on this” as applied to my co-angularity of Natal Jupiter-Neptune suggested to me my Jim with my natal Neptune being on my natal south point and natal Jupiter rising. Basically what my natal Jupiter-Neptune thrust onto my life involved large scale money schemes relative to the size of the company which employed my services through the field of commodity price inflation, and how to profit the company which employed me. I was simply put in charge of figuring out a Virgo way for the company which employed me to make profits through the field of speculation, a manifestation of my natal co-angular Jupiter-Neptune, in a Virgo (much analysis) Sun Sign manner. Ebertin writes from his book ‘Combination of Stellar Influences.’
‘Principle’ for Jupiter-Neptune combos:

Speculation.

When I was given this task of scheming through commodity speculation in 1977, one of my first angular natal Jupiter-Node contacts in profitable legal speculative money schemes taught me (paraphrasing): The biggest ‘fraudulent monetary practice’ to ever occur in the entire monetary history of the USA occurred in 1971 when Nixon took the USA off the gold standard, closing the gold window where no one could exchange their paper $ for the standard fixed price of gold at 42 $ an ounce. Gold is now app 1,200 $ an ounce, which actually reflects what has happened to price inflation since 1971. It just so happens: in 1971 there were 3 exact Jupiter-Neptune conjunctions. I was taught, the long term future effects, taking the USA off the gold standard would eventually lower all Americans standard of living through price inflation where the government could print all the paper $ needed to gain votes, in other words—debt = votes for both parties. This according to an astute ‘street’ wise individual teaching me true historical monetary value, which was not taught in colleges, began slow ‘fraudulent monetary practices’ which slowly eroded the purchasing power of all Americans, with a net effect of causing USA to become the largest debtor nation on the planet. I was taught debt through bankruptcy would ultimately destroy social values and probably lead to government socialism. I believe aggressive debt practices (monetary fraud) with the USA government, regardless of party affiliates, is seen/reflected in the July 4th USA Chart with the partile 90 of Mars-Neptune. Neptune has much to do with the USA July 4th Chart with ‘large scale finance’ through debt. It’s a vicious monetary cycle which keep repeating with negative results and seems to leading-up to another large scale monetary crises in the USA. If an astrologer could figure out exact timing when this next USA financial crises was to occur, this crises would allow huge $ profits to be made through all kinds of various speculations. USA monetary systems are being ran on Jupiter-Neptune fraudulent practices through massive spiraling debt. I do not think this necessarily means the end of the USA, only that at some point in the future USA government will simple declare bankruptcy to their creditors (China), just as many Americans in debt have had to declare legal bankruptcy through their debt practices. Its nothing to be ashamed of—its just a process of debt doing its nasty psychological thing.

[Danica]

When T.jupiter trined S.neptune at 0.00' exactly, a colleague in my company asked me if I want to reimburse my spending at the summer camp project, because everyone else reimbursed theirs. I said yes but I was also aware that my spending was mainly personal, like buying snacks and drinks, a small amount. And of course I knew my company was under no obligation to reimburse my personal spending. Nevertheless I took the money. I am not certain if this belongs to "fradulent monetary gain" or "gain without effort" category. But to me this monetary gain seems to be less than completely honest.

The description of the event (your experience) is generally consistent with Ju-Ne symbolism, though it's not what t Jupiter to nat Neptune usually brings.

The main point is: transiting trines do not work, even to natal, let alone to SSR planets (if that's what you mean by S. neptune).
Exact trines in progressions I do consider, but not trines from transiting planets to progressed - only trines of progressed planets to the same chart, or to natal.

What's the time and place of the event?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I believe Danica is also speaking from personal experience. You can say you don't agree here without getting defensive.

When you said "When T.jupiter trined S.neptune at 0.00' exactly" what does S.neptune mean? Solar? Progressed? or something else? We're assuming T.jupiter means transiting Jupiter. Is that right?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Thank you. We use so many abbreviations sometimes it's a little hard to be sure.