Transiting Sun exact conjunct Sirius each year.

[SteveS]

Jim, I read from one of my Mundane Astrology books (can’t touch SMA) under section on Fixed Stars where it states:

In this connection it should be mentioned that the great French astrologer Volguine claimed that charts set for the moment that the Sun comes in conjunction with Sirius each year, and that the Moon comes conjunct Sirius each month, are of significance.

This should not take long to prove out with major US events in history. Do you know how with Solarfire to get the exact times for DC when these transits would occur with Sirius?

[Jim Eshelman]

I'll see if there is an easier way to do this but, at the least, do this:

1. Establish a User Defined Points file that includes Sirius and turn it on.
2. Look for the date when Sun or Moon is at 19° Gemini. For a chart for any time that day, click Reports an Sirius' longitude will be given to the second, just like anyone else.

[NOTE: In modern times it will always be at or near 19°21' Gemini. It probably will change very very slowly across time and vary (in a small loop) by a few seconds through the year.]

3. Do an ingress for Sun or Moon reaching that degree.


For example: On October 24, 1929, the day of the stock market crash, Sirius was 19°21'13" Gemini. Moon was in late Gemini that day. A chart for Moon at 19°21'13" Gemini occurred October 23, 1929, 8:25:40 PM EST and, for Washington DC - SIT DOWN, STEVE, AND TAKE A DEEP BREATH BEFORE YOU READ THIS - for Washington, DC, it has Saturn 0°06' from Descendant, Neptune 1°42' off IC, Saturn-Neptune mundane square 1°48'.

It's one example. Don't have a heart attack Let's at least have one more example. Let's check the solar conjunction for the same event. It's going to occur in modern times about July 5. For that day, Sirius was (see the slight difference due to parallax) 19°20''51" Gemini. Calculate a return for Sun at this longitude. It occurred July 5, 1929, 10:43:19 AM EST. ONCE AGAIN, TAKE A DEEP BREATH... NOT AS DEEP AS LAST TIME, BUT A DEEP BREATH. Moon opposed Saturn 0°12' and, for Washington, DC with each 3°+ off the angles (3°06' Moon, Saturn 3°38'), with Mercury voiding dormancy 0°39' from MC. Furthermore, for New York City, the Moon-Saturn opposition falls with Moon 0°20' and Saturn 0°42' from the angles.

So... still just one event... but two independent charts for one event. This is... kinda wow.

[Jim Eshelman]

Noting the date of the annual Sun-Sirius conjunction, I note that on July 4, 1776 when Sun was at 21°31'Gemini, Sirius was at 19°22'29" Gemini. For Philadelphia, one gets a dormant chart, though with a Mercury-Saturn-Pluto mundane T-square a few degrees off the angles. Eye-catching but not compelling. (And Venus and Jupiter were near angles for London, and the next 12 months were - in no sense known to me - the happiest they ever had.)

[Jim Eshelman]

Sun conjoined Sirius June 26, 2001 at 11:39:58 AM EST, two and a half months before 9/11.

For everywhere:
Moon-Pluto sq. 2°09'
Moon-Mars sq. 3°12' (a little wide)

For NYC:
Mars sq. Asc 0°03'
Pluto on IC 2°50'
-- Ma/Pl = IC 0°43'
Moon sq. MC 1°29'
Mercury sq. Asc 2°40' (on MC 5°12')
-- Mercury-Mars op. 2°40'
Jupiter & Saturn very widely on MC
-- Ju/Sa = MC 0°28'
-- Moon-Pluto sq. is closer: 1°50' in mundo

For Washington:
Pluto on IC 0°32'
-- Uranus-Pluto sq. 0°25' PVP
Moon sq. MC 1°21'
Mars sq. Asc -2°35'
Pluto sq. Asc +2°46'
-- Ma/Pl on Nadir 0°06'
--Mars-Pluto conj. 3°37' in mundo
Mercury & Saturn widely foreground
-- Mercury-Mars op. 2°40'


Transits 9/11 for NYC
t Sun conj. r Asc 0°05'
-- Sun sq. r Mars 0°09'
t Saturn sq. r Moon 0°44'

Transits 9/11 for Washington
t Pluto op. r MC 1°30'
t Saturn conj. r MC 0°37'
t Saturn sq. r Moon 0°44'

Progressions to 9/11:
The quotidians aren't impressive - quite the opposite, e.g., Asc sq. Venus for NYC & DC. However, regarding aspects, this chart progressed to a Moon-Mars square 0°08' for the attack.

[SteveS]

Mucho thanks Jim

Jim wrote:

I'll see if there is an easier way to do this…

Yes, a very easy way.
1: Select Return & Ingress
2: Determine Year & Location
3: Select Advanced Return Selections
4: Click Button for Position Ingress
5: Type in 19,Gem,00

Question Jim. Can I use 19 Gem 21 to check all t. Sun Sirius Ingresses in USA History, for accurate enough degree positions for angles?

Folks, please click on first link which is the ingress for Sun transiting Sirius in 1929, the greatest financial Panic and subsequent Great Depression in modern history! Partile Moon 180 Saturn on MC/IC axis, par-excellent symbolism for a “Depression!” Also, a very tight Mar-Neptune cnj, par-excellent symbolism and a proven SMA combo for financial panics.

New York July 5th, 1929 t. Sun-Sirius Ingress Chart

https://imgur.com/a/dyO8TVk

DC Oct 23, 1929, a day before the Stock Market Crash, for t. Moon-Sirius Ingress Chart. As Jim pointed out, note Saturn-Neptune respectively on Dsc & IC.

https://imgur.com/a/exA0iJO

Again,

[Jim Eshelman]

Question Jim. Can I use 19 Gem 21 to check all t. Sun Sirius Ingresses in USA History, for accurate enough degree positions for angles?

No. Sun "returns" have to be to the second of arc, and this will be a little different every year.

I'll look for a way to get SF to just detect Sirius, whatever its longitude, and do the calculation. It's not yet obvious to me that there is such a way.

(I've written an inquiry on the Solar Fire support page on Facebook.)

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I'll look for a way to get SF to just detect Sirius, whatever its longitude, and do the calculation. It's not yet obvious to me that there is such a way.

Great Jim, looking forward doing some more historical research with this, and trying to formulate a conclusion.

[Jim Eshelman]

While we're waiting for a better answer, here are a couple of less impressive examples.

The 1860 Sun-Sirius conjunction covered the year of Lincoln's election, the start of succession, and the firing on Fort Sumter - all the possible definitions of the start of the Civil War - and it shows nothing.

The 1963 Sun-Sirius conjunction is moderately interesting but far more boring than the standard ingresses. For Washington it has Uranus on IC (paran Venus rising), while for Dallas the same Uranus squares Ascendant and Neptune squares MC. The chart is for July 6, 1963, 2:33:24 AM when Sun and Sirius were at 19°20'29' Gemini. Neither location has transits on November 22. Nether has quotidian crossings.

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, I got an answer - Wendy Guy on the Solar Fire Facebook page zeroed right in on something I'd missed seeing before.

First, make sure you have a User Defined Point file created that has Sirius in it. (It can have more than Sirius, but it's simpler for what follows if it only ha one.) Select this file to use (Chart Options | Displayed User-Defined Points).

Then click Dynamic | Transits & Progressions to bring up the Dynamic Reports Selection. Fill out the obvious sections (start date, how long, where, etc.) and pick Transits to Transits. Set the Aspect Selection in the lower right to Harm01 (1st harmonic aspects - it just gives conjunctions).

Now here's the trick: You're doing transit-to-transit searches. On the right edge of the box, under Point Selection, in the Transits box pick Sun (a Transit Points file that has only Sun in it). Then, all the way at the bottom, in the User box (I never noticed it was there), your Sirius user-defined should already be selected.

When you hit the View button, you get your list of events. As always with this report, you can select a chart and click View Chart to add it to the calculated chart list.

Here's a listing of all the dates and times from 1900 for 130 years:

Jul 5 1900 00:28:04 am EST
Jul 5 1901 06:45:00 am EST
Jul 5 1902 12:45:01 pm EST
Jul 5 1903 06:51:07 pm EST
Jul 5 1904 01:05:33 am EST
Jul 5 1905 07:13:26 am EST
Jul 5 1906 01:25:33 pm EST
Jul 5 1907 07:30:56 pm EST
Jul 5 1908 01:39:00 am EST
Jul 5 1909 07:55:12 am EST

Jul 5 1910 01:56:37 pm EST
Jul 5 1911 08:00:38 pm EST
Jul 5 1912 02:15:45 am EST
Jul 5 1913 08:22:49 am EST
Jul 5 1914 02:31:55 pm EST
Jul 5 1915 08:36:49 pm EST
Jul 5 1916 02:44:51 am EST
Jul 5 1917 09:01:55 am EST
Jul 5 1918 04:07:14 pm EWT
Jul 5 1919 10:14:00 pm EWT

Jul 5 1920 03:31:05 am EST
Jul 5 1921 09:39:50 am EST
Jul 5 1922 04:46:40 pm EDT
Jul 5 1923 09:50:46 pm EST
Jul 5 1924 03:57:12 am EST
Jul 5 1925 10:10:01 am EST
Jul 5 1926 04:12:34 pm EST
Jul 5 1927 10:16:29 pm EST
Jul 5 1928 04:31:27 am EST
Jul 5 1929 10:43:22 am EST

Jul 5 1930 04:52:03 pm EST
Jul 5 1931 11:01:24 pm EST
Jul 5 1932 05:12:26 am EST
Jul 5 1933 11:25:26 am EST
Jul 5 1934 05:29:53 pm EST
Jul 5 1935 11:32:51 pm EST
Jul 5 1936 05:45:41 am EST
Jul 5 1937 11:56:06 am EST
Jul 5 1938 05:59:44 pm EST
Jul 6 1939 00:05:38 am EST

Jul 5 1940 06:15:33 am EST
Jul 5 1941 12:27:02 pm EST
Jul 5 1942 07:35:26 pm EWT
Jul 6 1943 01:41:40 am EWT
Jul 5 1944 07:56:28 am EWT
Jul 5 1945 02:09:07 pm EWT
Jul 5 1946 07:13:06 pm EST
Jul 6 1947 02:19:11 am EDT
Jul 5 1948 08:30:59 am EDT
Jul 5 1949 02:40:09 pm EDT

Jul 5 1950 08:45:37 pm EDT
Jul 6 1951 02:50:16 am EDT
Jul 5 1952 09:02:14 am EDT
Jul 5 1953 03:16:35 pm EDT
Jul 5 1954 09:22:31 pm EDT
Jul 6 1955 03:29:12 am EDT
Jul 5 1956 09:43:12 am EDT
Jul 5 1957 03:51:32 pm EDT
Jul 5 1958 09:55:47 pm EDT
Jul 6 1959 04:01:56 am EDT

Jul 5 1960 10:11:15 am EDT
Jul 5 1961 04:24:49 pm EDT
Jul 5 1962 10:28:38 pm EDT
Jul 6 1963 04:33:21 am EDT
Jul 5 1964 10:49:42 am EDT
Jul 5 1965 04:59:30 pm EDT
Jul 5 1966 11:06:53 pm EDT
Jul 6 1967 05:17:06 am EDT
Jul 5 1968 11:26:46 am EDT
Jul 5 1969 05:40:26 pm EDT

Jul 5 1970 11:43:20 pm EDT
Jul 6 1971 05:45:12 am EDT
Jul 5 1972 12:00:20 pm EDT
Jul 5 1973 06:06:14 pm EDT
Jul 6 1974 00:10:05 am EDT
Jul 6 1975 06:19:36 am EDT
Jul 5 1976 12:29:12 pm EDT
Jul 5 1977 06:45:12 pm EDT
Jul 6 1978 00:53:41 am EDT
Jul 6 1979 06:58:10 am EDT

Jul 5 1980 01:16:51 pm EDT
Jul 5 1981 07:24:18 pm EDT
Jul 6 1982 01:25:58 am EDT
Jul 6 1983 07:36:20 am EDT
Jul 5 1984 01:43:07 pm EDT
Jul 5 1985 07:54:42 pm EDT
Jul 6 1986 02:00:41 am EDT
Jul 6 1987 08:00:24 am EDT
Jul 5 1988 02:18:17 pm EDT
Jul 5 1989 08:28:36 pm EDT

Jul 6 1990 02:31:12 am EDT
Jul 6 1991 08:46:28 am EDT
Jul 5 1992 02:54:50 pm EDT
Jul 5 1993 09:06:35 pm EDT
Jul 6 1994 03:14:32 am EDT
Jul 6 1995 09:14:14 am EDT
Jul 5 1996 03:31:53 pm EDT
Jul 5 1997 09:40:27 pm EDT
Jul 6 1998 03:38:50 am EDT
Jul 6 1999 09:52:44 am EDT

Jul 5 2000 04:01:30 pm EDT
Jul 5 2001 10:13:51 pm EDT
Jul 6 2002 04:25:08 am EDT
Jul 6 2003 10:25:53 am EDT
Jul 5 2004 04:43:45 pm EDT
Jul 5 2005 10:52:49 pm EDT
Jul 6 2006 04:49:58 am EDT
Jul 6 2007 11:03:39 am EDT
Jul 5 2008 05:12:11 pm EDT
Jul 5 2009 11:20:29 pm EDT

Jul 6 2010 05:31:40 am EDT
Jul 6 2011 11:32:09 am EDT
Jul 5 2012 05:50:39 pm EDT
Jul 6 2013 00:04:39 am EDT
Jul 6 2014 06:03:00 am EDT
Jul 6 2015 12:18:55 pm EDT
Jul 5 2016 06:28:57 pm EDT
Jul 6 2017 00:34:01 am EDT
Jul 6 2018 06:44:35 am EDT
Jul 6 2019 12:43:12 pm EDT

Jul 5 2020 06:57:06 pm EDT
Jul 6 2021 01:09:58 am EDT
Jul 6 2022 07:04:17 am EDT
Jul 6 2023 01:19:31 pm EDT
Jul 5 2024 07:32:30 pm EDT
Jul 6 2025 01:39:58 am EDT
Jul 6 2026 07:55:12 am EDT
Jul 6 2027 01:58:23 pm EDT
Jul 5 2028 08:13:08 pm EDT
Jul 6 2029 02:27:00 am EDT

[SteveS]

Very Jim, I think I can do this task, and appreciate you looking into this task for me.

[SteveS]

Jim, looking at some World Events for Sun transiting Sirius. Did I calculate this correctly?

Mundo London 1939 for Sun transiting Sirius 19,21 Gemini, War World 11

https://imgur.com/a/9HmCdi9

Eclipto: Saturn partile 90 Pluto for outstanding Saturn-Pluto event.

https://imgur.com/a/oJM4YQx

[Jim Eshelman]

Jul 6 1939 00:05:38 am EST

Steve, going by the list above (130 years worth), I'd expect London to be 5:05:38 AM GMT July 6 (or 6:05:38 BST). You're about 7 minutes later. I'll try to check to see where this could have gone wrong, but you're at least close. - I just double checked, nd for 6:05:38 both Sun and Sirius are at 19°20'45" Gemini.

I'm betting you calculated it for the round 19°21' without calculating the actual seconds. For Sun (as in Solar Returns) you have to calculate to the second of arc, and this changes slightly from year to year and throughout the year. The actual position, 19°20'45", is 15" earlier, which would be about a degree and a half on the angles.

The final chart still isn't bad!
Pluto 0°41' below Asc
Mars 1°40' above Dsc
Mars-Pluto opposition 0°59' in mundo
Rising Pluto squared by non-angular Saturn 0°33'

Essentially the same as what you saw.

[SteveS]

Thanks Jim, yes I calculated 19,21 without seconds. Still trying to figure out your SF task for getting exaction position down to the second.

[Jim Eshelman]

Have you created a User Defined Points file with Sirius in it? That would be step 1. Let's make sure you have that done.

[SteveS]

Can't figure out how to do this task Jim, with your instructions, solarfire, or manual.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Perhaps this will help.
https://alabe.com/solarfirehelp/index.h ... s_file.htm

[Jim Eshelman]

In Solar Fire, click Chart Options then Displayed User-Defined Points. Here are all the existing files; the one selected is likely None.plu.

Click Create. Call it Sirius. Click Edit. On far right, click Fixed Star. From the list that appears, find Sirius then the Add button (which shoves this over to the left). Click Save.

When you want to use this, come back to this Displayed User-Defined Points file and select the Sirius file. When you are done, go back in and select None.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Click Create. Call it Sirius. Click Edit. On far right, click Fixed Star. From the list that appears, find Sirius then the Add button (which shoves this over to the left). Click Save.

Yes, I did this yesterday and at least created a file named Sirius. But, there seems to be a step missing which I can’t figure out yet. When I click ‘Edit’ nothing appears ‘on far right’ giving me the option to ‘click Fixed Star.’ I think I don’t have the exact settings you already have with your SF program. I will read some more in the manual and maybe I can figure it out. I will definitely figure this our because I have a-lot from that old Mundane Astrology book about fixed stars we need to explore! It is becoming very obvious to me other mundane astrologers were missing your great work on SMA. But, it is also obvious to me their work with fixed stars when combined with your work may yield us some interesting things to quickly check with SF. I will figure this task out!

[Jim Eshelman]

When I click ‘Edit’ nothing appears ‘on far right’ giving me the option to ‘click Fixed Star.’

When you click Edit, you basically have three columns, right? One is headed Selected Points, the next Available Points, and the next Point Type.

In the Point Type column, select Fixed Stars. All stars from your default fixed star file should appear. If you pick Fixed Stars and nothing is there, then you have to pick a fixed star file: Back out of this edit box and go back to Chart Options | Files | Fixed Star File and pick the default fixed star file you want. (I have a custom one, but you can probably pick anything there. They likely all have Sirius in them.) Then, with this default picked, to back and do the User Defined Points edit.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote and asked:

When you click Edit, you basically have three columns, right? One is headed Selected Points, the next Available Points, and the next Point Type.

No, when I choose the Sirius file I 'Created' I only have two columns, one 'Selected Points,' and another 'Unselected Points.' Logic tells me I at least need the fixed star Sirius in the 'Unselected Points' column in order to move to 'Selected Points' column. I am sure there is a simple way to do this with my Version, and I will figure it out. If you see the correct missing step I need---please lay it on me. I have done this procedure before but I am running into a temporary mental block.

[Jim Eshelman]

What version of SF are you on? Did you go up to 9? (I'm still on 8.) Them most puzzling thing is that the column names aren't even the same, which sounds like a different version.

I created a new User Defined Points file called Steve, opened it with the Edit button, and here is what I see.

User Defined Points.jpg

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Under Point Files, select the Fixed Stars option, and press the Select File Button. Choose Brady to start. Then you can follow the rest of Jim's instructions.

[SteveS]

Jim, I have 7.0.8 which is probably our communication problem for precise steps for this task. I will figure it out one way or another.

Jim, before I forget I wanted you to know how the mundane astrologers finished their Mundane Astrology book section on fixed starts. The last sentence about methods with fixed stars reads:

A possible approach would be to study charts set for the moment of conjunctions to the key fixed starts, like the siderealist do with sidereal ingresses.

This book was published in 1984 before the advent of the personal computer/astro programs, and a most important factor before your SMA book! There are several different European astrologers offering some of their key examples with fixed stars pertaining to mundane astrology. I will offer some of these examples for us to look at with the guidelines in your SMA book. I feel this is important for us to consider, but understand it does not top your SMA work. It is serving me with tremendous learning insight. Look at my current Moon-Mercury SLR, and having to put up with that SLR Neptune 90 SLR Asc with correct functioning of SF.

[Jim Eshelman]

That's a very interesting quote. (I think the funniest part is that they didn't compare it to what Tropical astrologers do with ingresses.)

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

(I think the funniest part is that they didn't compare it to what Tropical astrologers do with ingresses.)

Indeed. They were very aware of Sidereal Ingresses but the only one they recognized was London's 1939 Cansolar for WW11, but they knew enough to intuit a possible key to probably seeing a clear manifestation of Sun transiting certain fixed stars, probably rested with viewing these transits similar to Sidereal Ingresses. But, we must remember they were marketing their book to Tropicalists. Later we will explore some of their examples when planets transited certain fixed stars and what happened mundanely. We will later explore these using SMA principles. Do we start running into problems determining an exact transit of a slow moving planet to a fixed star, for reliable timed charts to explore SMA principles?

[Jim Eshelman]

Do we start running into problems determining an exact transit of a slow moving planet to a fixed star, for reliable timed charts to explore SMA principles?

If you want an exact chart, then, yes. If you just want to know the day, then no.

The planet's speed determines how precisely we can calculate a time. SF will give us planet positions to the nearest second of arc, and should be accurate to that level (since Vol. 22 of the AE papers, the standard of planetary calculations, is well developed in astrological software). For example, here are the outer planet speeds for today and (by dividing the number of seconds into 24 hours) how accurately (plus or minus) we can time an exact transit.

Jupiter 13'16" = 796" … 00:01:49
Saturn 5'41" = 341" … 00:04:13
Uranus 2'13" = 133" … 00:10:50
Neptune 0'22" = 22" … 1:05:27
Pluto 0'02" = 02" … 12:00:00

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I created a new User Defined Points file called Steve, opened it with the Edit button, and here is what I see.

Jim, making a little progress. I just found in my version of SF the fixed stars file (with Sirius) under ''Extra Ring Points" in a column named: 'Available Points.'

[Jim Eshelman]

Good. I'm not 100% sure you can use that for what you want, though - the "transit search" specifically uses the User Defined Points, not the extra ring. But it's progress. It should at least give you a way to get Sirius' longitude to the second of arc and manually (brute force) calculate a "return" for Sun to that longitude.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Good. I'm not 100% sure you can use that for what you want,

Me either, I may have to call Solar Fire tech person, I pity him trying to understand me telling him what I need . If I can't figure out how to do your instructions in my version with the 'Extra Ring Points,' I will update to latest version. I did click the 'Add' button for Sirius in the 'Fixed Star File' in the Extra Ring Points' window, but all it did was 'Add' another Sirius name to the 'Extra Ring Points' list.

What little research I have done with t. Sun to Sirius, I will make a wild guess and say a possibility this is calling only WORLD WIDE events which affect entire World---like the Great Depression for DC, and WW11 for London 1939 London---but I want to at least look at all these charts over the last 200 years, which I can't do until I implement your instructions.

[Jim Eshelman]

In the mean time, you can use the list I provided above to type in the chart data for events since 1900 (or I can expand the list).

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

You should also have the option of adding fixed stars to extra transit points and extra natal points according to the manual for solar fire 7 (gold.)
You have to use the file manager function in the program to add them. Look for a file named Brady.FST

[SteveS]

Wait for the possibility Jim for expanding the list, thanks.

Thanks JSAD, you may have provided what I need to function into my version Jim's instructions.

In the meantime, the first paragraph in the 1984 book Mundane Astrology under "Fixed Stars" reads:

Specific stars have been used in mundane work from the earliest times, though of recent years they have been rather neglected, with the move to simplify the tradition for mass marketing. It would seem that certain stars do appear to have considerable value in forecasting when they are brought into sharp focus.

It is my contention Jim's Sidereal Mundane Astrology principles has great potential to bring certain fixed stars into a sharper "focus" for the Sidereal Astrologer.

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, what years do you want covered?

[SteveS]

Jim, let me get back to you about some spot checking for other major world events, or feel free to wing it yourself. I want to check out the Black Plague and other calamities with fixed star Algol and Benetnash, as well with Sirius.

[SteveS]

Jim, in 1776, what time did transiting Sun in Philadelphia conjunct Sirius? Thanks

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, in 1776, what time did transiting Sun in Philadelphia conjunct Sirius? Thanks

Jul 3 1775 NS 05:17:23 am UT
Jul 2 1776 NS 11:28:11 am UT

[SteveS]

Adding some more quoted words about Fixed Stars from the book “Mundane Astrology” by Michael Baigent, Nicholas Campion and Charles Harvey.

Another approach is that Ebertin and Hoffman who mention two effects of the transits of outer planets in conjunction with fixed stars. Ebertin had made a special study of transits to the fixed star Benetnash, the ‘hired mourners’ over several centuries. Ebertin concludes that ancient tradition is essentially correct and that this fixed star is of great importance in mundane astrology. Ebertin says: ‘Benetnash will claim human lives in calamities such as mine accidents, collapse of houses and bridges, mountain slides, earth tremors, and catastrophes caused by weather. Ebertin goes on to illustrated the period of major instability in the world that occurred as Uranus came conjunct to Benetnash at the end of July 1968.

Jim, if I understood you in an earlier post, I think you said we cannot rely on an exact timed mundane chart for an outer planet transit to a fixed star to the second of arc with SF, only transiting Sun. I think I am going to have to order a new update to SF from my old version to follow your directions for investigating transits to fixed stars in certain location, but am still investigating with my old SF version.

Jim, when you have time, can you check the mundane charts with your SF version transiting Sun to Benetnash for the collapse of the two World Trade Centers in New York for 2001? Also, the 1900 Galveston Hurricane, and 1906 San Francisco Earthquake? Thanks.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Just an FYI. All astrological or astronomical software, including but not limited to Solar Fire, are unable to do a chart for an outer planet transit to a fixed star to the second of arc. Nobody knows exactly what makes the earth or any other object perambulate in it's orbit. When you don't know what causes the wobble, you can't predict the wobble.

It's not a fault in Solar Fire or any other software. It's a fault in astronomy.

[SteveS]

Thanks JSAD. I looked at the Brady star file in my SF version an all positions are in the Tropical Z, don't really understand why. Have not yet been able to hook-up with a SF tech for many questions related to Jim's instructions in this thread pertaining to fixed stars with my version of SF.

[Jim Eshelman]

Ebertin says: ‘Benetnash will claim human lives in calamities such as mine accidents, collapse of houses and bridges, mountain slides, earth tremors, and catastrophes caused by weather. Ebertin goes on to illustrated the period of major instability in the world that occurred as Uranus came conjunct to Benetnash at the end of July 1968.

Jim, when you have time, can you check the mundane charts with your SF version transiting Sun to Benetnash for the collapse of the two World Trade Centers in New York for 2001? Also, the 1900 Galveston Hurricane, and 1906 San Francisco Earthquake? Thanks.

I'm sure Ebertin (whose fixed star book I know well) was taking these transits to the star with a one degree orb, not trying to get return-like charts to the minute. Nonetheless, before I got to the part of your post where you asked, I had already decided to check my whole SMA file against transits to this star.

The specific seems to be that planetary conjunctions with Benetnash cause large loss of human life, particularly found in mine accidents, structural collapses, earthquakes, weather catastrophes, etc. Sure, we have a few of those on file.

The fifth brightest ('Eta') star in Ursa Major, Benetnash is in the same degree as my Ascendant ecliptically, at 2°10' Virgo. Its name means "hired mourners," as stated above, and Ebertin considers it to have a nature like Mars-Uranus-Saturn. (I can't find any SF list that has this star in it so I'm just using Ebertin's 26°08' Tropical Virgo converted. It will be correct within a minute or two, good enough for present purposes.)

The test will be: Do any charts for events in my primary SMA catalogue have any planet within 1° of 2°10' Virgo. I find 15 events out of 353, including one bridge collapse, a few earthquakes, and other events listed below (I don't think things like a financial panic and Sputnik loss count as loss of life, but some of the others certainly do).

Erzincan earthquake - Neptune 1°37' Virgo (op Mars partile)
San Francisco earthquake - Jupiter 2°05' Virgo (op Venus partile)
Amatrice earthquake - Jupiter 1°36' Virgo, Mercury 2°15' Virgo
1985 Mexico City earthquake - Sun 2°00' Virgo
Hurricane Maria - Sun 2°37' Virgo
Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster - Neptune 3°02' Virgo
Dresden bombing - Jupiter 1°53' Virgo
Hiroshima bomb - Jupiter 2°18' Virgo
16 Street Baptist Church bomb - Venus 2°23' Virgo
Tultepec Fireworks Market explosion - Moon 2°07' Virgo
Chualar bus crash - Moon 1°18' Virgo (conj Sun 1°12')
Ramstein Air Show Disaster - Mercury 2°04' Virgo (sq. Saturn-Uranus partile)
Martin Luther King murder - Uranus 2°06' (op Venus 1°12')

No Direct Loss of Life
Sputnik launch - Mercury 3°04' Virgo
Panic of 1857 - Mercury 3°09' Virgo

So, first, is this in any way an unusual number of items found? More or less, each planet stands 1 chance in 180 of being within the 2° zone that is one degree either side of this longitude. As we have 10 planets in consideration, we have 10 chances in 180 of getting a random hit by something in that zone, or about half a percent. For 353 events we would randomly expect something to be there twice, and we have 15. That seems like a lot!

That's quantity. Anything about quality? I was intrigued how many times (6 times out of the 13 life-taking events, or about half) the planet in that degree was in close aspect to something. That seemed to highlight the passage. Often the planet crossing the star was significant to the type of event; on the other hand, the several Jupiter contacts weren't like that at all, and that weighs against it. Of 13 life-taking events, four had luminaries ("generic strong hits") to the degree. Of the 9 remaining, Mercury hit for an airplane crash, Venus for the death of two little girls, Uranus for MLK's murder (a civil rights movement eruption), Neptune for two mixed disasters, and Jupiter (most active of all) for two high-casualty earthquakes and two high-casualty devastating military bombings.

I'm troubled by the Jupiter. Nonetheless, the raw number is interesting. Notice that not a single malefic was involved except for the two Neptunes. This was otherwise all neutrals and benefics. It's quite odd in many ways, but the raw frequency of it is hard to ignore.

I'll try a different degree and see how many I get for comparison.

[Jim Eshelman]

Either something is wrong with my math, or... something...

I just picked the longitude of Antares (currently 15°01' Scorpio) and got 29 event.

OK, rethinking this aloud (let me know if you find a flaw in my thinking). Taking a 1° orb for a conjunction with a single longitude consumes 2° (one either side). That's 2 out of 360, or 1 out of 180. For 353 events we expect 353 x (1/180) events to show for each planet, or 353 x (1/180) x 10 for ten possible planets to randomly be in that 2° zone. (The odds may not be exactly that because each planet doesn't spend the same amount of time in each part of the zodiac, so it's crazier than that; but this is ballpark.)

Yes, there was an error in my math! (That makes me feel a LOT better. This was driving me nuts.) I hit the wrong calculator keys or something. 3,530 possible planets (10 each for 353 events), each having a 1/180 chance of being in the targeted zone, is 3,530/180 or just under 20 (not 2; I guess I didn't multiply by 10 before). The 15 Benetnash hits was a little less than we expect randomly (not significantly; it was about what we expect) and the 29 for Antares is not quite 50 more which, by itself, is still not all that unusual.

As long as I have them, let's tally the Antares events (picked in honor of Steve's Moon and because it historically has a nice, straightforward nature of being a hyper-Mars). I do see a different style of event as I scan the events, with a particular focus on murders and many more extremely violent events (and a different planet mix).

Avezzano earthquake - Venus 14°34' Scorpio
Loma Prieta earthquake - Venus 15°47' Scorpio (op Moon 1°18')
Amatrice earthquake - Mars 14°42' Scorpio, Saturn 14°54' Scorpio (sq. Neptune 15°55' Aqu)
Mount Tambora eruption - Uranus 14°25' Scorpio
Nevado del Ruiz eruption - Moon 14°27' Scorpio
Galveston Hurricane - Uranus 15°18' Scorpio
Grand Harbour of Malta tornado - Jupiter 14°14' Scorpio (sq. Pluto 1°18')
St. Francis Dam ruptured/flood - Moon 14°26' Scorpio (rising)
2016 Louisiana floods - Saturn 14°48' Scorpio (stationary) (sq. Neptune 1°25')
Cocoanut Grove Nightclub fire - Venus 15°23' Scorpio (op. Saturn 0°04')
Great Chicago Fire - Mars 15°26' Scorpio
Peshtigo fire (same day as Chicago) - Mars 15°10' Scorpio
Our Lady of the Angels school fire - Sun 14°58' Scorpio
'Wall Street bombing - Mars 14°04' Scorpio
Beirut embassy bombing - Uranus 14°05' Scorpio, Jupiter 15°43' Scorpio
Shuttle Columbia disintegration - Mars 15°09' Scorpio
Chernobyl explosion - Saturn 14°03' Scorpio
SpaceX explosion - Saturn 15°06' Scorpio (sq. Neptune 0°35', Sun 0°33', Moon 1°25')
John F. Kennedy murder - Mercury 15°31' Scorpio (sq Uranus 0°04')
Gerald Ford shot (non-fatal) - Neptune 14°41' Scorpio
Columbine massacre - Pluto 15°23' Scorpio (op. Venus 0°34')
San Ysidro McDonalds shooting - Uranus 15°23' Scorpio
Colorado Springs shootings - Mercury 15°56' Scorpio
San Bernardino shootings - Sun 15°18' Scorpio
Nellie Massacre - Jupiter 14°15' Scorpio, Uranus 14°21' Scorpio
I-35 Mississippi River bridge collapse - Jupiter 15°07' Scorpio
Andria-Corato train wreck - Saturn 15°36' Scorpio
Saratov Flight 703 disaster - Mars 14°45' Scorpio

Non-deadly events
Sputnik launch - Saturn 15°46' Scorpio

Steve, what I find most interesting here is that we have an entirely different kind of event - more violent, forceful, murderous, explosive - and a very different sort of planets. Of 28 events (excluding the Sputnik launch) we again have a lot (about 1/3) where the planet conjunct the star is tightly aspected. (Odds of a planet within 1° of the star being within these orbs of conjunction, opposition, or square another planet are about 3 times rarer, or 1/540, and we'd expect it to occur once or twice in 353 charts).

This time, of 28 tragedies, we had only 4 luminary ("generic") hits. Mars was involved 6 times (an earthquake, two fires, a bomb explosion, a space shuttle burning up, and a plane crash) and Saturn 5 times (a quake, a flood, Chernobyl, a deathless explosion, and a train wreck - not a distinctive Saturn mix particularly, but often with Saturn aspecting Neptune).

In contrast, Venus was the planet only 3 times (2 quakes and Venus-Saturn for a fire) and Jupiter four times (a mix of events). Uranus, though, had as many as Mars and Saturn (5 events, arguably all sudden, eruptive, even explosive).

I think I should try a classically benefic star and see what I get.

[Jim Eshelman]

Vega is generally considered a sweet-disposition star. Its important - the brightest star in the northern night sky - generally thought to be like Venus. It's at 20°34' Sagittarius.

If these stars are really characterizing these events, we should get an entirely different kind of event from Vega conjunctions than Antares and, perhaps, it should be really hard to find a lot of negative events (lower than expected) unless they are distinctly afflicted-Venus sort of events (with more malefics than benefics hitting the star). At least... that's my theoretical thinking. (If they are related to Venus matters, and especially to the arts or fine lifestyle, that's even better.) - Notice BTW that Vega is almost exactly opposite Sirius (if I'd thought of this at the beginning I might have picked a different star).

And indeed... we get fewer events. 17 events (just below average expectancy). That's a start. Let's see what planets are involved.

Nepal earthquake - Pluto 20°35' Sag
Amatrice earthquake - Pluto 20°13' Sag
Hurricane Andrew - Uranus 19°45' Sag (Neptune 21°51' Sag)
Tropical Cyclone Pam - Pluto 20°17' Sag (sq. Uranus 0°08', Mars 1°10')
2016 Louisiana Floods - Pluto 20°25' Sag
Ghost Ship fire - Pluto 21°02' Sag (sq. Jupiter 1°12')
Buddhist Temple murders - Neptune 19°55' Sag
Charleston AME Church shootings - Pluto 19°46' Sag (op. Moon 0°21')
Baghdad bombs 7/2016 - Pluto 21°22' Sag
Anwar Sadat murder - Moon 20°58' Sag
Dhaka Restaurant attacks - Pluto 21°24' Sag (op. Venus 0°37')
Happy Land Social Club fire - Neptune 19°50' Sag
Warsaw Radio Mast collapse - Neptune 19°57' Sag
SpaceX explosion - Pluto 20°06' Sag
Tultepec Fireworks Market explosions - Pluto 21°35' Sag
Panic of 1819 - Sun 21°23' Sag [might not be the exact day, probably is]
Andria-Corato Train Wreck - Pluto 21°08' Sag

This is entirely different! Not only are there fewer events, fewer of them have close aspects at the time of the event (only 5 out of 17). Nearly all of them (15 out of 17) involved one of the outer three planets, most of them Pluto, which might just be a measurement of when I was most closely watching for events, or might be some related thing (like most occurred when Pluto was square Uranus, even if not super-tightly - so more extreme events were happening during those few years).

Of these 17, 11 occurred with Pluto conjunct the star, being between 19°46' and 21°35' Sagittarius. Only occasionally was Pluto closely aspected or particularly set off during those times. The events are a mix of events, with four natural disasters, a fire, three acts of violence, two accidental explosions, and a train wreck. There is overall less malice (3 out of 11 being purposefully malicious). It's quite a different set.

Of the remaining six, Neptune was there three times (diverse events) and Uranus once (a hurricane, while conjunct Neptune). Only twice (and maybe only once) was a luminary involved. And no other planets were involved.

If I'm not reading too much into it, there is even a slight leaning toward the Vega-like themes of "messing up nice things," with an earthquake devastating an anciently, beautiful area of cultural richness, fires in a musical arts collective & a social club, murders in a historic church, terrorist attacks in an upscale tourist spot, unintended murders while robbing a temple, a collapse of wealth, etc.

First impressions, then, are that there are fewer events, most of the contacts might have been happenstance (due to other coincidental factors), and - aside from the outermost planets that always have to be somewhere - it's as if planets were avoiding this part of the sky, which is much the way that benefics sometimes show up for horrible events but usually more by "luck of the draw." When these hits did occur, more of the events than not involved wealth, arts, culture, etc. (if I'm not over-reading).

There just might be something here.

[Jim Eshelman]

I should do two more to "balance the scales," since I'm only taking conjunctions. Antares is opposite Aldebaran, Vega is opposite Sirius, so I should look at these two and see if I can comparable or opposing (or simply different) results.

Sirius is currently at 19°20' Gemini. It is the brightest night-time star in either hemisphere, as Vega (opposite it) is in the northern hemisphere. Sirius is historically distinctly royal and powerful (connected to royalty, great leaders, and those with a similar life and power), thought to be like Mars and Jupiter.

Again, we get a smaller number of events - 18, essentially just what we would expect randomly. Here they are:

Great Kanto earthquake - Pluto 18°22' Gem
Laki eruption - Mercury 19°44' Gem (op. Saturn 0°35')
1927 Mississippi River flood (peak) - Pluto 20°07' Gem
Millennium Flood - Sun 19°11' Gem
L'Innovation Department Store fire - Venus 19°26' Gem
Alamo Fire - Sun 20°03' Gem (sq. Jupiter 0°44')
Winter Cherry shopping mall fire - Moon 19°48' Gem (sq. Mercury 1°45')
Lac-Megantic train derailment/explosion - Sun 19°23' Gem
Bahawalpur tanker explosion - Mars 18°27' Gem (sq. Jupiter 0°08')
Fall of Saigon - Saturn 19°29' Gem
2001 Afghanistan War began - Jupiter 19°51' Gem (op. Mars 2°+, sq. Sun 0°08')
Charleston AME Church shooting - Moon 19°25' Gem (op Pluto 0°21')
Austin Tower shootings - Venus 19°00' Gem, Mars 20°10; Gem
Jonestown massacre - Moon 19°04' Gem
1960 NYC Mid-Air collision - Mars 19°48' Gem
Richard Nixon resigned - Saturn 18°53' Gem
Charles & Diana wedding - Moon 19°07' Gem
King Edward VII Coronation - Mars 19°46' Gem

This is a totally different list! Foremost, I notice that this (with a star associated with royalty and the likes, their exaltation and their fall) is the first time we've run into any royalty events: a royal wedding, an important coronation, Nixon's fall and, fort hat matter, Saigon's fall.

Seven of 18 were tightly aspected. I noticed quite a few had wider aspects.

Also, there is a very high percentage of luminaries and Mars, as if planets were racing to this exact degree. Sun conjoined Sirius 3 times (a millennium scale flood, a record-breaking large-scale California fire, and an explosion that wiped out a town - all vast scale events). Moon conjoined it 4 times. Mars 4 times (not all bad, since a coronation was involved; the others were fiery etc.). The rest are divided among Pluto (2), Saturn (2, for great falls), Venus (1), Jupiter (1), and Mercury (1).

[Jim Eshelman]

Aldebaran is 15°01' Taurus. In contrast to Antares conjunctions, there are only 17 Aldebaran conjunctions. Being bright red, Aldebaran is historically equated to Mars, but in a more benign or positive fashion, as in strength. I also have tended to think it is connected specifically to philosophy and the Mysteries.

Mt. Vesuvius eruption - Neptune 15°47' Tau
Volcan de Fuego eruption - Mercury 15°13' Tau
Loma Prieta earthquake - Moon 14°29' Tau
Cocoanut Grove fire - Saturn 15°19' Tau (op. Venus 00°04')
Hurricane Hazel - Moon 15°56' Tau
Heppner flash flood - Mercury 14°10' Tau (stationary)
Vanport flood - Sun 15°24' Tau (sq. Moon 0°15')
Dresden bombing - Uranus 15°08' Tau
Hiroshima bomb - Mars 15°14' Tau
D-Day - Uranus 15°22' Tau, Venus 15°39' Tau
Columbine massacre - Venus 14°49' Tau (op. Pluto 0°34')
Sandy Hook shooting - Jupiter 14°50' Tau
Tree of Life Synagogue murders - Moon 15°28' Tau
USS Scorpion sank - Mars 15°29' Tau
Tachikawa air disaster - Jupiter 15°10' Tau
Panic of 1893 - Pluto 14°36' Tau, Neptune 15°15' Tau
Prince William's birth - Mercury 14°29' Tau

I'm not sure what to make of this list, but let's run it by the numbers. A statistically normal number of events (like most of these) with only four simultaneously aspected (and perhaps we can count the station in the same category). This is a very low percentage compared to most of the others. Nothing stands out in terms of flavor of events.

Only four have luminary ("generic") hits, and they're all quite different. Only three go to classic malefics (1 to Saturn, 2 to Mars), and they're all different kinds of events. Four go to classic benefics, and most of them are killing events (murders and military). Uranus 2, Neptune 2, Pluto 1, with a hearty 3 for Mercury (mostly different).

I'm hesitant to call any of these hits to Aldebaran obviously meaningful or to say there is a discernible pattern in them. In this way they contrast sharply with the opposite degree and Antares. If somebody sees interpretive consistency, let me know.



[TO BE CONTINUED]

[SteveS]

Jim, I appreciate your research work with your latest posts. It is becoming somewhat obvious that there may be statistical info which supports partile cnj planetary transits to certain fixed starts has symbolic merit. But, with the miss hits it appears to me we need a refinement method to eliminate the miss-hits, symbolically speaking.
The only possible refinement method I know which may bear fruit is doing a Sun Ingress to the fixed star, as long as we feel we have the second of arc position to the fixed star within 2-3 seconds of arc, like we do with our 0 degree cardinal ingresses with SMA. This would offer us a mundane chart to examine for angular hits, and partile 0,90,180 Moon aspects to the planets. For example: When Ebertin says when Benetnash “will claim human lives in calamities” such as structural collapses it would be good research if we only had Benetnash Sidereal Zodiac position to within a couple of seconds of time arc. Then we could check the Sun transit to Benetnash in NY for the year 2001 for probably the greatest single buildings collapse (World Trade Centers) in modern history. As of yet, I am unable to get the second of arc positions of certain fixed stars in the Sidereal Z at different times & locations with major historical events. We at least need a model of similar events with a fixed star to check and see if the transiting Sun to the second of arc fixed star will offer us a confirming mundane chart for the event. O wait, maybe you could check this small model with the star Regulus for heads of states dying or being eliminated from their heads of states. But, no need to check this model if you don’t have a reliable zodiac position of Regulus to the second of arc.
Model: Mundane Chart for Transiting Sun cnj Regulus for the following years, elimination from heads of states.
1: Assassination of Ferdinand at Sarajevo in June 1914 (Mars cnj Regulus)
2: Assassination of Alexander of Yugoslavia in October 1934 (Mars cnj Regulus)
3: Assassination of Trotsky May 1940, Soviet Union (Mars cnj Regulus)
4: Attempt on Hitler in July 1944 (Mars cnj Regulus)
Transiting Mars not cnj Regular but:
5: “Bismarck was forced to relinquish office the very day Saturn came exactly cnj Regulus on March 20 1890.
Does your version of SF offer Regulus SZ position to the second of arc for the above dates? If so, I can calculate the mundane charts in the above locations when t. Sun to the second of arc cnj Regulus zodiac position to the second of arc.
IMO, the only way we/you are ever going to untangle the modern fixed stars mess with mundane astrology is with your teaching principles on Sidereal Mundane Astrology with a specific type mundane ingress chart when t. Sun cnj the fixed star, associated with a specific event in a specific location, according to certain symbolic meanings associated to the fixed star itself. Planetary cnj transits by themselves to certain fixed stars leaves us with too many mixed results.

[Jim Eshelman]

1: Assassination of Ferdinand at Sarajevo in June 1914 (Mars cnj Regulus)
2: Assassination of Alexander of Yugoslavia in October 1934 (Mars cnj Regulus)
3: Assassination of Trotsky May 1940, Soviet Union (Mars cnj Regulus)
4: Attempt on Hitler in July 1944 (Mars cnj Regulus)
Transiting Mars not cnj Regular but:
5: “Bismarck was forced to relinquish office the very day Saturn came exactly cnj Regulus on March 20 1890.

Here are the prior Sun-Regulus conjunctions. (Remember, Steve, the Regulus position will be a little different every single time we check one of these. I've listed the longitude in each case for comparison.)

1. August 22, 1913, 8:32:48 AM GMT, 5°05'21" Leo
2. August 22, 1934, 5:37:17 PM GMT, 5°05'17" Leo
3. August 23, 1939, 0:18:52 AM GMT, 5°05'15" Leo
4. August 23, 1943, 0:57:03 AM GMT, 5°05'14" Leo
5. August 21, 1889, 5:03:25 AM GMT, 5°05'26" Leo

[Jim Eshelman]

A few from SMA to add:

Abraham Lincoln murdered
August 20, 1864, 7:19:523 PM GMT

James Garfield murdered
Shot under: August 20, 1880, 9:37:27 PM GMT
Died under: August 321 1881, 3:46:17 AM GMT

William McKinley murdered
August 22, 1901, 1:47:55 AM EST

Mahatma Gandhi murdered
August 23, 1947, 7:03:07 AM IST

John Kennedy Murdered
August 22, 1963, 11:53:22 PM EDT

Robert Kennedy murdered (same chart for Martin Luther King murder)
August 22, 1967, 9:34:08 PM PDT

Richard Nixon resigned
August 22, 1973, 11:30:55 PM EDT

Moscone & Milk Murders
August 22, 1978, 5:10:28 PM PDT

Anwar Sadat murdered
August 22, 1981, 9:48:19 PM EEDT

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Here are the prior Sun-Regulus conjunctions. (Remember, Steve, the Regulus position will be a little different every single time we check one of these. I've listed the longitude in each case for comparison.)

Thanks Jim, I will look at these timed mundane charts as well as the others you added later in the week. Yesterday, I took a look at the mundane DC chart of t. Sun exact cnj Sirius (S/S) for July 5 2008 5:12:11 PM. This was the year which marked the beginning of the Great Recession with the Housing Mortgage Crises and collapse of the Wall Street Banks in Sept-Oct 2008.

Note:
Moon 27,09 Can
Nep 28,59Rx Cap

During Sept-Oct 2008 t. Nep was partile 180 S/S Moon, and p. S/S Moon was partile 180 S/S Neptune. I find this most interesting since with your SMA essay for financial panics in the USA, you identified Moon-Neptune as one of the main signatures for financial panics.

Transiting Sun exact cnj Sirius July 5 2008:

https://imgur.com/a/Bgfm22Q

[SteveS]

Jim, the first Sun transiting Regulus I did was for the year Lincoln was assassinated. Check it out!

Moon 180 (1,13) Saturn, Sun partile 90 Mars

DC Sun/Regulus Aug 20 1864 7:19:52 PM GMT

https://imgur.com/a/sjrnhHD

April 14 1865 DC Q2 10:15 PM for the day Lincoln was shot.

Q2 Sun partile 90 Q2 MC, with Sun partile 90 Mars with Mars 1,20 cnj Q2 MC

https://imgur.com/a/geMjsId

Check my work Jim, 2-3 interruptions (phone calls) during this quick work-up.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'll check when i can. The aspects look great. It would be more convincing if there were solid anvle contacts.