Lance wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:45 pm
On another note, though, the mundoscope really makes a huge difference on this one.
Yes, it does... especially with Pluto. But, since you're teaching these days, I should point out that that rest is pretty easy to see from a glance at the Campanus horoscope. The 6th and 12th houses are 90° wide along the ecliptic!!! Crudely, you can take one-third of those houses (in this case, that's 30°) and know that it's about 10° of the prime vertical (one-third of the house). Once you set a mental boundary of around 29° Virgo-Pisces, it's at once clear that the Mars-Neptune is quite close.
To check this estimate, note that Eastpoint is 1° Aries - roughly at that boundary - and its mundoscope position is 8° above Ascendant. The estimate works pretty well.
You can do the same with Venus: The 4th house is 9° wide on the ecliptic, Venus is 2° off the angle in longitude, a third of the house is 3°, so you can estimate she's at the edge of foreground - and you;d be right, she;s about 10° off. (I didn't pay any attention to foreground Venus because it's borderline and there are so many other strong factors of an opposite nature).
Pluto always needs checking, though, especially when setting. If someone doesn't have access to the mundoscope calculations but has altitude, they can see Pluto is is 3°50' below Dsc, which is going to be
roughly correct. Similarly with Moon 6° in altitude below horizon. In PV longitude, Pluto is 5+° below, Moon 6+°.
But altitude isn't perfect. In this case, it would make Sun and Mercury seem much closer to the horizon than they are.
Av gets the gist of him pretty well.
