Coronavirus

[Freya]

What planets should I monitor in my transits and SLR to see if I am likely to catch the virus? Moon-saturn indicates ill health but not sure about infections

[SteveS]

For infections associated with fever you have to include Mars, with Mars-Neptune combo's being a prime suspect directly related to a possible infection.. And, indeed yes, for Moon-Saturn being another prime suspect for health issues. A general rule: When the lights of our Natal Chart with extensions of their progressions become afflicted with malefic action--a prime suspect for health issues.

[Freya]

Can you see an infection in a SSR or lunars are better?

[SteveS]

Freya asked:

Can you see an infection in a SSR or lunars are better?

Both, Cyril Fagan and Donald Bradley indicated our SLR's were basically-- possible heath chart indicators. The way I understand symptom things with this C-19 Virus--it starts with a cough and then a fever. So, be on the lookout for a possible cough and then fever, and if develops, have a quick game plan for a medical course of action as soon as possible---the sooner the better for recovery. Mars is the prime suspect for a fever probably aspected to the lights in an angular manner.

[Freya]

Thank you Steve.... I have noticed my June 2nd SLR.... mars and neptune foreground. Is this the sort of return that could indicate an infection?

[SteveS]

Freya wrote and asked:
 

I have noticed my June 2nd SLR.... mars and neptune foreground. Is this the sort of return that could indicate an infection?

Yes, as I previously stated, Mars-Neptune combo's could be indicative with higher probability for infections of all kinds. Note in your mundo June 2 SLR (link below) this Mars-Neptune combo in your June 2 SLR is partile conjunct and partile conjunct your SLR ASC. Ebertin states from COSI about the “Biological Correspondence” for Mars-Neptune combo's/midpoints:

Susceptibility to epidemic infections....

This definitely does not mean you will come down with symptoms of Covid—19, only you will be incurring a timing frame for a higher probability for infections. Your June 2 SLR is definitely a Red Flag for you to social distance yourself from crowds of people for any possible incubation timing frames for Covid-19, and to have a well defined medical plan of immediate actions if you come down with Covid-19 symptoms. Mars-Neptune combo's can manifest is all kinds of negative ways, much will depend on what is going on in your immediate environment for the way this June 2 SLR signature of Mars-Neptune will manifest.

Astrological forewarnings using Sidereal Astrology charts is to be forearmed.

[Freya]

I have an exam in London on June 26th.... I am cancelling it now
Thank you Steve for confirming my suspicions

[Jim Eshelman]

Thank you Steve.... I have noticed my June 2nd SLR.... mars and neptune foreground. Is this the sort of return that could indicate an infection?

I think all we can do on this is watch for what we'd normally see for bad health turn. The upcoming Mars-Saturn conjunction and eventual Mars-Neptune conjunction you cited are, of course, times that a lot of people will be vulnerable, though there are other possibilities. Remember, this pandemic is causing a lot of other problems - economic, practical, emotional (from isolation, from hearing news of friends), and more - so "basic malefics" may mean it will be a rough patch but it may not tell us which kind of rough patch.

Transits, progressions, and return charts should all be considered. Over time, I've come to disagree with one piece of "classic" Fagan-Bradley teaching on this: The classic teaching on solunars from the '40s and '50s emphasized that either Sun or Moon background and afflicted was a possible health weakness. I agree with three quarters of that: Overall, a foreground Sun shows vitality (that tends to include improved resistance), whereas a background Sun shows loss of vitality (and lowered resistance) so that, if afflicted, it can be a bad health indicator. However, I rarely see health problems from a background Moon afflicted - though often from a foreground Moon afflicted. This should have been obvious all along, since Moon describes our receptivity and vulnerability. (As Neptune gets closer to conjoin my Moon I've had it foreground in a few lunars where I just felt more frail or with lowered energy - probably really low grade virus or some such thing. Makes sense for Moon-Neptune.)

Neptune is important in the pandemic, I think, because its angularity can mean convalescence, among other things. Expect Mars for extreme fever, Saturn for general problems that might include health also. But, again, these can have many expressions.

Now let's go to your June 2 SLR. Mars is 0°11' below Asc, Neptune 0°54' below, and their mundane conjunction is 0°43'. Sun is background. Yes, one possible outcome of this SLR is an inflammatory illness that requires convalescence. It is likely to be a time that your resistance is down and your mind is likely to create terrors (which may be anchored in fact or maybe not). I'd recommend that in the time leading up to this, yo do everything to strengthen your immune system and minimize chances of exposure.

Don't fall into the trap, though, of thinking that this virus is some kind of death sentence. I now know of two friends with the virus. One nearly done with it and will be well in a few days. Another is sitting in bed at home nursing his fever (with his family downstairs) and, so far, sounds like he'll be fine too. In the best conditions, getting it would probably massively uncomfortable, but panic is a worse thing than the virus itself in all but a tiny percentage of cases.

[Freya]

Jim, thank you for taking a look. I am afraid that my parents will get the virus, they are both at risk and with underlying health conditions, living in the epicentre of all this.

Their birth times are not accurate, would I be able if they are likely to be affected in June without a birth time?

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, thank you for taking a look. I am afraid that my parents will get the virus, they are both at risk and with underlying health conditions, living in the epicentre of all this.

Their birth times are not accurate, would I be able if they are likely to be affected in June without a birth time?

It would be harder without a time. There might be something we can see, though with less reliability.

[Freya]

I am worried about my dad (mainly). He has 3 underlying health conditions, diabetes, heart problems and asthma. He was born on April 20 1950 in Florence Italy. He still lives in Florence. Not sure what can be seen without a birth time... he says he was born at home around 3 pm

[Freya]

I have looked at his June 19 SLR, as mine shows chances on infection in June as well (at this point I am hoping it's me getting the virus and not him)... mars conjunct neptune in his return doesn't bode well... not sure if that would change if he was born at 3.30...he was born in the first half hour of 3 pm

[Jim Eshelman]

I have looked at his June 19 SLR, as mine shows chances on infection in June as well (at this point I am hoping it's me getting the virus and not him)... mars conjunct neptune in his return doesn't bode well... not sure if that would change if he was born at 3.30...he was born in the first half hour of 3 pm

In the chart you show, Mars-Neptune is far from angles and several degrees apart. If this is approximately the correct SLR, Mars-Neptune isn't a player in it at all (unless one or the other is within 1° orb of aspecting a natal planet). A half hour difference in the birth time would change the MC 7-8° only.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Freya, everybody in the entire world has Mar conj Neptune in their lunar returns for June. Every single person, dog, cat, tree, house, and river.

If the aspect is not partile (not within a couple of degrees but within 1°) and not angular, it's just background noise, especially in a lunar. Sure, if there's nothing partile and nothing angular you look at other things, but you don't start there.

You seem to look at a chart, note one or two things that catch your eye and go from there. And most of the time the things you're focusing on are nuances, not the main story.

Sweetie that's not helping you. You need to cast the chart and look at it methodically. What's closest to the angles? Then what aspects are partile meaning within 1°? Then look at aspects to the Sun and Moon within 3°, but closest first.

For a lunar return, ignore everything else. Yes, there are all kinds of other stuff, but you don't need that for a lunar. Shades of blue or shades of red or shades of yellow are still nothing but shades. Look at the color. Look at the main story. Ignore the sideshows.

That's the order to start with. Angular first, partile a close second, luminary aspects. For a lunar, you don't need to go further.

Lunars (and Solars) are not exercises in navel-gazing. There's no need to delve into every aspect that's out to 9° unless there's nothing else in the chart, and honestly that's the universe telling you to just go back to bed. Anything more than a couple degrees away from an angle has nothing to say. Yes, check the mundane chart if you want to, but don't go off on yods and t-squares and nodes and all that other "yeah, there's something to it, but it's not like it's your moon sign" stuff.

(Putting soap box away now.)

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Following my own instructions, your father has nothing angular in this lunar.
He has Venus conjunct Moon, making him sentimental and emotional over friendship and wanting to seek out beauty.
He has Mercury opposing Pluto, showing bad news, probably hearing of the deaths of friends. Mercury in Gemini opposing Pluto in Sagittarius, Gemini being communication and also friendships, school friends, etc.
The Sun is conjunct the North Node. Jim says the node may have some "connection" meaning. That fits in with the loss of friends.
The natal planets aren't involved here much unless I missed something. I didn't cast the chart. Just looked at what you posted. I normally use a bi-wheel for a lunar + natal.

[Freya]

Yes it makes sense Jupiter, thank you for clarifying the return. I will keep in mind the pointers from your last post. Thank you and Jim for putting my mind at ease!

[Freya]

I have looked at his June 19 SLR, as mine shows chances on infection in June as well (at this point I am hoping it's me getting the virus and not him)... mars conjunct neptune in his return doesn't bode well... not sure if that would change if he was born at 3.30...he was born in the first half hour of 3 pm

In the chart you show, Mars-Neptune is far from angles and several degrees apart. If this is approximately the correct SLR, Mars-Neptune isn't a player in it at all (unless one or the other is within 1° orb of aspecting a natal planet). A half hour difference in the birth time would change the MC 7-8° only.

Jim does this mean that I can start looking into my father's charts with a 3pm birth time and get nearly accurate results? I have never done this before, thinking that any forecasting tecnique would be inaccurate...

[Jim Eshelman]

If you know he was born in the half hour between 3:00 and 3:30 (I think that's what you said), then use the middle, 3:15.

In half an hour the angles change, on average, 7.5°. That's not a horrible error, though, of course, you'd like better.

In plus-or-minus 15 minutes, the Midheaven will vary not quite 4° at most. K=If you keep this possible error in mind, you should be able to use the chart with a fair bit of confidence most of the time.

[Freya]

Thank you Jim, yes 3.15 makes sense. I doubt he was born at 3 pm sharp if the birth time is from memory.

Really happy about this right now, thank you

[Jim Eshelman]

Happy is good

[Profit]

Has anyone posted on the Coronavirus itself. What triggered it etc.?

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

Yes. Use the search box on the upper right hand side of the page.
coronavirus and Covid-19 should both yield results to look through. Especially check the monthly forecast posts.