Sun in Sagittarius sign project

[Jim Eshelman]

Welcome to the Sun in Sagittarius discussions project, which will run December 17, 2017 - January 14, 2018 (and then will remain around in case people want to revisit it in the future). Please gather your list of Sun in Sagittarius people (especially those you know personally) and join us.

Here are Sun in Sagittarius interpretive resources on the forum:
Primary section: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35#p163
Cyril Fagan: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=101#p608
Garth Allen: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=33#p138
Rupert Gleadow: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=91#p571
Manilius: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=121#p746

[FlorencedeZ.]

At work, a Sagittarius lady is head of a team. She always talks about her team and every morning they sing their team song together and hold each other for the team spirit. When you are not a part of the team, you kind of remain an outsider despite working for the same goals. They have their own team getaways. She is polite, a ‘good doer’ and expects everyone on the team to be the same.
My Sagitarius aunt tells everone in the family: we have always done it this way despite that everyone belongs to the same family . If we do something that’s incorrect in her view, we sure get the correct story of how to go about. She finds it important to have the best education for her (grand) children, nothing is ever good enough. I would think she is obsessive compulsive.
The Sagittarius father of my best friend is a retired jet fighter pilot. He is a noble man and an interesting detail is that all of his four children are in the airline, two as senior Captains and two as Senior Pursers. One Sagittarius daughter took a law study as well and is also a practising laywer. To me it’s all about achievement.

[Jim Eshelman]

Priceless!

[By Jove]

Might as well do myself now. I'm no famous person but I am possibly the most Sagittarius person to ever Sagittarius. The only exception is probably Nero. My mom gets honorable mention too. A brief character sketch of me, warts and all:

- I am very rigid, and it is taking me a long time to loosen up. Something must be this exact way as I envisioned it,, and if it's not, it's wrong. Because real life is very messy, I very easily get frustrated and angry.

- I am very stubborn, which I think plays on my rigidness again. But I became stubborn so I may resist authority figures in a passive aggressive way, and protect myself. I had a really shitty childhood.

- I am pretty ambitious, but not the least bit in material things. I don't want to be a boss or the president. My interests are almost entirely on politics, pop culture, philosophy, and the arts. I am no more practical than any other person, maybe even less so.

- I am very judgmental of other people, and I am also very sensitive to the judgments of others. All my anger and neurosis revolves around judgment, and the fact I have a very nasty, judgmental, and hypocritical father doesn't help.

- Other people have described me as aggressive, ideological, narrow-minded extreme in my beliefs, having a black and white view etc.

- When playing games or just planning ahead, I easily succumb to "tactical tunnel vision" where all I see is my own plans. Even my physical vision has little peripheral view. I can see very deeply ahead, but I can't see around me.

- People have often commented on me being highly intelligent. Some said my knowledge was encyclopedic, while other people said I had little practical knowledge.

- Most people have described me as deep (whatever that means), even my dad (Libra Sun, Pisces Moon). Only Rn*** (Virgo Sun, Scorpio Moon) ever described me as shallow, and she referred specifically to how I am sometimes only physically attracted to a woman. As if no other guy is like that at all. Even she described me as deep on other occasions.

- People have commented on how nice and polite I am, but I bottle up my negative emotions until they explode. I don't know how to express them in a good way, so I simply don't.

- I am a pretty isolated and withdrawn person. I tend to be uncomfortable around anyone who isn't my immediate family, and even that is too much at times. I often talk to myself, and have daydreamed a lot since I was little. I don't like opening up, because I get hurt almost each time I do so.

- I am very internally driven, but I don't know if it is truly from within (like in a Hub sign) or if I'm just compelled to do things by forces within my beyond my control. Assuming the two are mutually exclusive.

[FlorencedeZ.]

Dear Jove,
thanks for sharing your observations. I truly like the way you expressed yourself in a eloquent manner.
Kind regards,
Florence

[By Jove]

As we leave Sagittarius, I would like to celebrate the birthday of Zhou Youguang. He lived more than a hundred years, with a long and varied career, dealing mostly with language, economics, and history. He created a new way of writing the Chinese language with Roman symbols. During Mao's campaign for cultural revolution, the government sent Zhou to a farm for two years hard labor, like many intellectuals at the time, to be "reeducated". He also translated the entire Encyclopedia Britannica into Chinese.

[Hannah]

Hello!

My sun is in Sag, here are a few observations on how this appears to show up in my personality:

I am very concerned about the quality of my work, for example, I really enjoy cooking... Normally I attempt to suppress my need to analyze the outcome of my meals obsessively (including the meals I enjoy from other people), where I went wrong, how I could have improved the balance of flavors, etc. Now this probably makes me an unpleasant person to dine with, so I am working on letting up a bit on the constant striving for something better and learning to relax a bit.

But, this need to constantly improve has sped up my advancement of technique in my interests. I can learn how to do a craft quickly, painting, music, dance, cooking... but easily shift focus between these. Which has made it challenging to pursue one interest seriously. For example, while in school I have changed my major countless times (all within a general field of interest, anthropology, studio arts, music, theatre, philosophy, communications, etc.) and will devote all of my energy for a few weeks working up an elaborate plan to see the major go through, lose interest, and switch to a new one. I just can’t make up my mind!

My family growing up was very cultured, knew all of the latest movies, went to art galleries, could name plants and exotic foods, kept up to date on current events, had to dine in the finest places and drink good wine. And as a child I felt it to be imperative to keep up with it all. I made it my mission to know the names of actors and directors, watch eclectic movies, read the classics, develop a fine taste for food, remember the names of plants, etc.. but once I reached the age of rebellion I grouped refined culture with pretentiousness and actively sought out all that seemed offensive to it. Reveled in my friendships with outcasts, hung out in the low-income neighbors, drank cheap alcohol and listened to aggressive punk anti-establishment music and attended gritty shows. I was proud of my rejection of high-culture and embarrassed about revealing the fact that I came from a wealthy family. Now I’m trying to find the middle-point between the two.

I am hyper-conscious about manners, for example, I fretted myself almost to a nervous breakdown during a trip to Europe with my family. We were in a French restaurant and I was worried that my behavior wouldn’t translate well and I’d be labeled as a “rude American” and ostracized. I urged my family to use the formal terms for “please” and “thank you,” and went to great lengths to show my appreciation for being welcomed as a guest to their country.
I also come from a Korean family, and have taken in some of the traditions of respecting one’s elders, bowing to show respect, etc.
Much of this I have tried to weed out of my system on the value that societal expectations are arbitrary and all humans share common ground and deserve respect, regardless of labels..

I am very shy in front of new people, and distrustful of any new person introduced to my close friend group. Once full integration takes place, I am very devoted and think in terms of the good of the whole. But, I am slow to show allegiance to an intangible group, like a nation, or a passing job, or even the whole of humanity. I tend to focus on the people within my immediate awareness that are closest to my daily life and especially those with whom I share emotional connection.

I am embarrassed to admit this but... I produce some of my greatest work when I am striving for the approval of others. At least, the appraise of others gives me the necessary kick to begin projects. I was most prolific when I had a group of friends who adored my art and music and thought of it as special. I wrote many songs and drew many pictures and sent them all to these friends to be esteemed. This gave me confidence. Or, perhaps I am judging myself too harshly. I do my best work when it is for others. I give all my art away, and most of it has been designed specifically for individual people. I want my work to be admired, but I hate that I seem to need that to feel worth something. This produces conflict in me, maybe this is why I can’t accept compliments. I want to be complimented on my work, I know that my work is good because I have worked diligently on improving myself in it, but I feel like I am missing the point of working. I think it is wrong to feel proud about my work, that in doing so my ego will be left unchecked.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm currently working on the Sun in Sagittarius rewrite, and have discovered a new theme - one I'd missed all these years.

It's easy to think of Sagittarius in terms of greatness, grandness, the heights, and similar elevation and grandness themes. (Nothing new there.) What I had missed all these years is the broader theme - that Sagittarius is themed to matters of SCALE and MAGNITUDE whether great or small.

I'm not ready to say that this means Sagittarius relates to the depths as well as the heights - others have previously tried to develop that idea in ways that don't fit facts - except for the obvious "shadow" polarities, e.g., Sagittarius standards of excellence are so great that they often fail to meet their own standards, etc.

Where the idea started was my intuitive certainty that there was a connection between a long stream of the greatest astronomers and cosmologists who have given us our view of the universe (Tycho Brahe, Johannes Kepler, Sir Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawking - leaving out only two Aquarians and the Piscean Einstein) and, on the other hand, Louis Pasteur. Then it hit: There is ultimately no difference between macroscopic and microscopic views except where in the continuum you are standing. They are both matters of scale.

Having this idea, it was easy to start finding other "small" themes in Sagittarius. In an article dealing with the importance of hand themes in Sagittarius, Garth Allen mentioned that the original "General Tom Thumb" was a Sag, as was the inventor of shorthand. The many great orchestral conductors and band leaders are all artists of alternating soaring and plunging. The often religiously-charged reward-and-punishment passion of Sag invokes as many images of Hell as of Heaven (probably more of them in the long run). Furthermore, Sagittarius have as great a capacity to focus on minutia as Virgo.

I'm not sure where this is going... maybe no place further... but I thought I should document it here. While Sagittarius is tied to the "higher and higher" motif, the more fundamental Sagittarian principle is not greatness / grandness per se, but the more general idea of scale or relative magnitude.

[Jim Eshelman]

While wrapping up the rewrite of Sagittarius, I stumbled into what I think is a great new image for them: It's all about the pulpit!

If you know Sagittarians, you don't need an explanation. This is, of course, true of those in distinctly religious occupations, from the current pope to village priests. But THE PULPIT shows much more generally than that! Consider the TV talk show celebrities of the Rush Limbaugh type (or even the genteel Phil Donahue). Another group that is obvious are the world leaders, of whom many fall in Sagittarius (and are known for "beating the bully pulpit"). University lecturers trade te pulpit for a lectern - essentially the same thing - and in private life Sagittarians' "sermons" can even outtalk Virgo (who always has something to say).

Since a "pulpit," by etymology, is necessarily a raised or elevated station - originally in Latin a scaffolded stage for actors! - it is no mystery that Sagittarius, who wants to be elevated, is quick to ascend to the pulpit.

[Soft Alpaca]

I like the pulpit on a boat it's a cool place to be...

[Jim Eshelman]

I have finished the rewrite of Sun in Sagittarius. The whole is here:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35&p=163#p163

The new summary read:

Desires respect, elevation, achievement ("higher & higher," rank, excellence). Generous, hospitable. Loyal to tribe. Principled (stubborn, stiff). Easily ascends to pulpit or lectern. Right-wrong, reward-punishment: judges self & others (may fail own standards). Respects continuity of culture, social rituals, civilization's fruits. Preserves status quo, heritage, myth. Serial passions. Complacent affection.

[Soft Alpaca]

You used the word fruits }:)-

[Jim Eshelman]

LOL

[Soft Alpaca]

A much more sagittarius way of writing that, that's what you just did. That's kind of swell.