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No I am most certainly not enjoying the conflict with my ex that has been ongoing for over a year now. It's simply been too long dragging us all through his anger and rigidity. BUT having said that, I might actually thoroughly enjoy the process of a judge officially dismissing his ridiculous "case" and laugh a little bit before just moving on for the sake of our children.

But then again, who wouldn't? I don't think it takes my Mer-Mars and Moon-Mars for enjoying that. :P
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I'm not sure if this belongs here or somewhere else (maybe also has to do with solar arcs, don't know... but there is a new artistic development in my life/psyche. Last week I started painting. Playing around with colours on canvas and enjoying it immensely. There is just such great joy and zen in painting, I'm loving it so much that I can't really stop! My love said to me a long time ago that he wanted to make like an artist cave for us in the garage, with a music studio and for painting and he said he was very sure I would love it and would find that when I started it would feel like I was always meant to do that! - or at least I would discover a talent within. And he was right :) I almost feel like I missed out on decades of joy from painting and I'm like a little kid with a newly discovered treasure :) ... but I will make it up by using my later years to feel this joy :) (I did draw a lot as a child and throughout my teenage years).

So writing music/lyrics and making art is now prominent in my life. I do not have a job at the moment and I don't want to be hired for a job where I have to be 9-5. The other work I do now is renovating the little apartment I bought this summer - although it's on hold now both because of practical issues and because I feel like I have to let this urge to paint out on to the canvases for now :)

Perhaps this is due to the Venus-Neptune (artistic) square or the angular Sun-Uranus (it did kinda surprise me :D ) in this SLR. Perhaps it's simply to be seen in the solar arcs with the d. Venus-Jup on my n. Sun-Mer midpoint and the d. Sun partile sq my n. Venus plus the d. Nep on my n. MC as well as d. MC sq n. Nep (artistic expression) - and perhaps it's a combination of all that, I don't know. I just know that it feels like a profound change is happening within.

Ebertin says about Sun-Venus manifestation:
Popularity, love-union, potentialities of artistic development.
Anyway, it's a wonderful time in my life and I'm enjoying it immensely.
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Arena, you could start a new thread like Dani has (Danica's Natal and Prognostics). Put it in Discuss Your Own Chart. Even if you're talking about a lunar in particular, you could put it there and maybe move or copy that post or two over to lunars or progressions or whatever later if you want.
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Good idea. I will do that :)
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I don't know when I'll get around to make that new thread - I will though :)

I'm painting every day now - what a joy!
Any yesterday I was asked by two people about prices of my work - so potentially interested buyers :)
...and another one asked if I had an exhibition somewhere :o

So now I'm trying to price my paintings as they are stacking up and it would be great to sell them and have money to buy a lot more canvases and art supplies :)

November 1st
T. Moon 1,19° from IC in PV mundo (partile in Azi mundo) followed by the Moon's Nodes around the ASC/DSC.
LR ASC partile n. Saturn and double whammy Saturn to nodes
T. Venus partile sq n. ASC
Sun-Uranus partile opposition
SLR WP=n.Mer/n.Sun

I'm guessing this has a lot to do with the d. Sun partile sq r. Venus now as well as the Neptune influence.
So Ebertin was right when saying that Sun-Venus has potentialities of artistic development - I must say I'm so grateful for this scenario unfolding in my life :)
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Tomorrow, November 28th, a new lunar return.
The SLR has partile;
T. Jup partile n.Nodes.
T. Nodes partile sq SLR MC

a bit further out, but within potent angularity
T. Nodes wrapped around the EP/WP
T. Nep 2,45° from MC (T. Nep partile sq n. Sat)

and further out from the angles
T. Sat 4,44° from DSC
T. Jup 6,25° from DSC
T. Pluto 8,42° from DSC


I believe or hope that this month will mark the period when my separation from my ex will be finally finalised somehow (maybe the judge's ruling will help him sign the separation papers) since this month and next month mark the final partile squaring of t. Nep to n. Saturn and this month we see a Venus-Uranus opposition squaring my n. Sun (maybe that's my celebration of the breaking free from it).
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All good wishes for a clean and thorough separation. Periods of Jupiter-Pluto aspects highlighted are perfect for "fortunate separations" of all sorts. I do have some concern about the close (and closely angular) double Saturn-Neptune, with natal Saturn the strongest factor. However, to help with the result you want, there is a surprise Uranus mundane transit you likely didn't see! - Here is how I would break down the chart (with Class 2 angularities and Class 1 aspects):

r Sun on Asc -6°33'
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r Saturn sq. MC +0°29'
t Neptune on MC +2°44' stationary

t Saturn on Dsc +4°44'
t Jupiter on Dsc +6°25'
t Pluto on Dsc +8°41'

-- t Neptune sq. r Saturn 0°41'
-- t Jupiter-Saturn conj. 1°41' mundo
-- t Saturn-Neptune sq. 1°59' mundo
-- t Jupiter-Pluto conj. 2°17' mundo

Other partile
t Uranus conj. r Moon 0°00'
t Moon-Mercury op. 0°09' mundo


Or, to rank the important chart factors by relative strength:

r Saturn sq. MC 0°29'
t Neptune sq. r Saturn 0°41'
t Jupiter-Saturn conj. 1°41'
t Saturn-Neptune sq. 1°59'
t Jupiter-Pluto conj. 2°17'
t Neptune on MC 2°44'
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That Uranus transit to r. Moon seems like a really nice one :) Refreshing and fun and perhaps somewhat surprising as the Uranus is opposing t. Venus and r. Sun ecliptically. Some kind of element of surprise, but seemingly a pleasant one since those planets are not concerned with the Nep-Sat issue... but that is also in tact with how my life has been in the recent year with my new relationship so happy and loving and creative while the ex separation issue is lurking in the "shadow", but sometimes gaining a momentum by angularity.

Jim, would you agree that it is likely that the separation issue might be finalised before the last partile hit of Neptune to r. Saturn?
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Arena wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:08 am Jim, would you agree that it is likely that the separation issue might be finalised before the last partile hit of Neptune to r. Saturn?
I'm not sure. I wouldn't say "before," but I might say "upon." Most of the expression of Neptune to Saturn is emotionally difficult. The best single word for it is probably suffer, not just in the sense of distress but also in the sense of "surrender" or "permit."

I can see the connection of this transit to the difficulties you have been going through while still attached to your ex during the process of the separation. I don't remember when the break-up occurred - was it two years ago? - but the Neptune transit to Saturn would represent a process working its way through you from April 2019 to January 2021, so that period of "suffering" and learning surrender and facing practical and emotional insecurity regarding life's "givens" is about over.

If the break-up ordeal has specifically been serving you by providing the events to take you through this process then, yes, it would seem to have about run its course.

The next year seems to be more about Uranus' transit to your Sun (which is also foreground in your SSR). That's a very different feel than Neptune to Saturn! Progressed Mercury this month is exactly square natal Venus - part of progressed Sun-Mercury to Venus, which is then moving on, over the year year or two, to square your Jupiter - again, a very different process. Progressed Sun and Mercury moving through your natal Venus, Jupiter, and Pluto should be one of the most remarkable few years of your life. Altogether, you seem to be poised to exit the developmental "task" in which you've been engaged since spring 2019, and unleash yourself on the world in some pretty exciting ways.
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Thanks Jim.

Yes the breakup happened on June 2nd when he moved out and then I moved out of the house and he back in sometime in the middle of August 2019. I wanted to finish all separation agreements this summer and told him that last year - but then he refused to finalise it by his signature this summer. This is why the court case is now happening. I expect a ruling from the judge sometime after mid December and I will most likely be finished with the signing and finalising the separation by Christmas or beginning of 2021. T. Neptune leaves its final partile orb to r. Saturn on January 1st 2021. If that goes smoothly when he realises the judge will rule in my favour (which is what I'm expecting since his transits are much more on the great loss side with double Sat-Pluto) then the children will go with him to Scotland to finish their school winter over there. They would then come back to me next Easter and summer for holidays and possibly my daughter will continue her schooling here with me while my son will continue in Scotland. We will see how things unfold next summer. The positive that's come out of all this is that they got to try to live with me and my new man and go to school here and meet new friends. Since that has been a very good experience for them and they've liked it very much, I don't worry too much about their father's issues and threats anymore.
Progressed Sun and Mercury moving through your natal Venus, Jupiter, and Pluto should be one of the most remarkable few years of your life. Altogether, you seem to be poised to exit the developmental "task" in which you've been engaged since spring 2019, and unleash yourself on the world in some pretty exciting ways.
Yes the progressions and solar arcs look like the times that are starting now and are ahead of me are really promising and might turn out to be a great and positive transformation with Pluto involved. And it seems like it is all triggered by this new love story as he is encouraging this artistic side of me to come out :)
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As this SLR is coming to an end I am a little bit heavy in my soul and heart. I'm lucky to have had the support and endless love and admiration from my new man all this year... and I've been able to have serenity towards my ex for the most part. Now this struggle with him seems to be coming to an end with an agreement and I think I'm feeling the last effects of t. Nep to r. Sat as it is nearing the end of a partile aspect. I will be so relieved when the struggle with him is over (for now or at least a legal struggle) ... but there is also a knowing within me that the struggle with him is not over at all - that he will continue to be difficult and rigid for years to come as that's his core personality while I will be flexible and considerate as I am with my r. Uranus so demanding for flexibility.

Anyhow, I feel down today - I get this overwhelming down feeling of pointlessness whenever I think about how pointless our lives are, like a dust in the wind it really does not matter whether we live or die. Yes we can matter for a few people's hearts and lives - but in the big picture of mankind and the Universe, we really don't matter. So today is a little bit depressing to me and is the first depressed day I've had in ages as this year as a whole has been such a joy for the most part. And with this feeling I'm trying to just push it away and plan my next few months with my ongoing refreshing and joyful creativity and hopefully some time abroad when travel gets easier.

The Uranus-Moon aspect for this month's SLR I'm ot really understanding as there's not been anything really surprising... perhaps it will simply be in the signing from my ex on the separation documents. I don't know.

I'm heading into a new SLR on Dec 26th with this outlook

Uranus 2° below WP
Jupiter 3,30° conj IC
Saturn 4,12° conj IC
Mars 3,35° conj DSC

(Jup & Moon are closest in the Azi chart).

T. Sun partile n. DSC
T. Mer 2,17° n. DSC
T. Ven 3,07° rel. DSC
N. Ur 5,16° from SLR ASC
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Since I have a few minutes before heading out of the house, I might as well work this up for you. This one is much simpler than most months. A couple of things I note: Transiting Uranus (n the 7th house no less) is the one Class 1 angularity. Transiting Saturn square natal Uranus is the strongest aspect (I imagine that is some form of the "breaking" of things). Also, Neptune square your Saturn is not only on the way out but, while still partile, is about as background as it could be. - Plus little touches like: Jupiter-Saturn refers to "cultural institutions," of which marriage is one (but also to legalities, money matters, etc.). Mars setting squared by Pluto is more volatile than you seem to be allowing for (there could be a last minute surprise), or it could just be part of the "breaking" theme, etc. etc.

t Mars on Dsc -3°25'
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t Uranus on WP +1°48'
t Jupiter on IC +3°30'
t Saturn on IC +4°12'
r Uranus on Asc +4°36'

-- t Saturn sq. r Uranus 0°24' mundo
-- t Jupiter- Saturn conj. 0°30'
-- t Mars-Pluto sq. 0°55'
-- t Jupiter sq. r Uranus 1°06' mundo

Other partile
t Neptune sq. r Saturn 0°13'
t Mercury-Neptune sq. 0°59' mundo


The ranking of all Class 1-2 angularities and Class 1 aspects puts the importance of the foreground aspects ahead of the importance the angularities (though one hardly ignore that strong transiting Uranus, given the circumstances):

t Saturn sq. r Uranus 0°24'
t Jupiter- Saturn conj. 0°30'
t Mars-Pluto sq. 0°55'
t Jupiter sq. r Uranus 1°06' mundo

t Uranus on WP +1°48'
t Mars on Dsc -3°25'
t Jupiter on IC +3°30'
t Saturn on IC +4°12'
r Uranus on Asc +4°36'
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Since I have Arena's chart out this morning and know she'll be posting on this later, I might as well work up her new SLR. This one might have some hidden surprises (and tons of mundane aspects) because it's one of the more spatially distorted ones (6th and 12th houses are 121° wide). Figuring out what it's really saying may be a matter of "orb shaving" (i.e., trimming to the tightest orbs of angularity and aspect to get a first impression). - Every transiting planet except Venus is foreground. Two Uranuses are closest to an angle, then Mars-Neptune and Sun-Saturn take the lead (watch your health this month); but also transiting Sun partile conjunct natal Moon again :) -- I'm not going to bother even listing the background partile aspects (this chart doesn't need supplemental details, it needs narrowing).

r Neptune on Asc -5°32'
t Moon on Asc -4°22'
t Uranus on Asc -0°19'
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r Uranus on Dsc +0°39'
t Neptune on Asc +1°21'
t Mars on Asc +1°35'
r Mars on Dsc +2°06'

t Mercury on Asc +3°30'
t Jupiter on Asc +4°35'
t Pluto on Asc +4°51'
r Sun on Dsc +5°02'
t Saturn on Asc +5°15'
r Moon on Asc +6°11'
t Sun on Asc +6°20'

t Sun conj. r Moon 0°09'
t Pluto op. r Sun 0°11' mundo
t Saturn op. r Sun 0°13' mundo
t Mars-Neptune conj. 0°14' mundo
t Mars-Jupiter conj. 0°14'
t Jupiter-Pluto conj. 0°17' mundo
t Saturn-Pluto conj. 0°24' mundo
t Jupiter op. r Sun 0°27' mundo
t Mars op. r Mars 0°31' mundo
t Jupiter-Saturn conj. 0°40' mundo
t Neptune op. r Uranus 0°42' mundo
t Neptune op. r Mars 0°45' mundo
t Mars-Uranus conj. 0°49'
t Saturn conj. r Moon 0°56' mundo
t Uranus op. r Uranus 0°58' mundo

t Jupiter-Uranus sq. 1°03'
t Mercury conj. r Moon 1°03'
r Moon-Sun op. 1°09' mundo
t Sun-Saturn conj. 1°05' mundo
t Mercury-Jupiter conj. 1°05' mundo
t Moon conj. r Neptune 1°10' mundo
t Sun op. r Sun 1°18' mundo
t Pluto conj. r Moon 1°20' mundo
t Mercury-Pluto conj. 1°22' mundo
t Mercury op. r Mars 1°24' mundo
r Mars-Uranus conj. 1°27' mundo
t Sun-Pluto conj. 1°28' mundo
t Jupiter conj. r Moon 1°36' mundo
t Uranus-Neptune conj. 1°40' mundo
t Sun-Jupiter conj. 1°45' mundo
t Mercury-Saturn conj. 1°45' mundo
t Mercury-Mars conj. 1°54' mundo
t Mercury-Neptune conj. 2°09' mundo
t Saturn-Uranus sq. 2°36'
t Uranus conj. r Mars 2°25' mundo
t Jupiter op. r Mars 2°29' mundo
t Mercury op. r Sun 2°32' mundo
t Pluto op. r Mars 2°45' mundo
t Sun-Mercury conj. 2°50' mundo
r Sun-Mars conj. 2°56' mundo
r Moon-Mars sq. 2°58'


To try to get a handle on this, stripping it down to only Class 1 angularities and partile aspects:

t Uranus on Asc -0°19'
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r Uranus on Dsc +0°39'

t Neptune on Asc +1°21'
t Mars on Asc +1°35'
r Mars on Dsc +2°06'

t Sun conj. r Moon 0°09'
t Pluto op. r Sun 0°11'
t Saturn op. r Sun 0°13'
t Mars-Neptune conj. 0°14'
t Mars-Jupiter conj. 0°14'
t Jupiter-Pluto conj. 0°17'
t Saturn-Pluto conj. 0°24'
t Jupiter op. r Sun 0°27'
t Mars op. r Mars 0°31'
t Jupiter-Saturn conj. 0°40'
t Neptune op. r Uranus 0°42'
t Neptune op. r Mars 0°45'
t Mars-Uranus conj. 0°49'
t Saturn conj. r Moon 0°56'
t Uranus op. r Uranus 0°58'
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