Angular Venus when giving birth

[FlorencedeZ.]

23 June 2015

I followed Arena's thread with great interest about which planets may be angular for marriage in a Solar Return. This brings me to giving birth. I remember a long time ago reading in an article by Fagan I think that it is quite common to have Venus angular in a Lunar Return when giving birth.
This happened to me as well. During the birth of my two children, five years apart, I both had t.Venus exact on an angle. Perhaps for those of you who have children it would be nice to compare notes?

Donald Bradley (Garth Allen)
Taking the Kid Gloves off Astrology
It's in the Venus Chapter.
Fagan might have said something similar, but I don't have a citation.

Many thanks JSAD. I forgot where it was and now I know again.
Regards, Flo

Bradley's published statistics on SLRs in the early '50s showed that, for giving birth, natal and transiting Moon, Venus, and Jupiter were common at a statistically significant rate and (if I recall correctly) natal and transiting Mars and Saturn were absent. (Maybe Saturn was included in that, too. I'm going from memory.)
I've seen Mars common when surgery or complications were involved, but generally the above has held true.

Hi Florence,
My niece had her first baby 12/12 2014. Her current SSR: Mundo SSR Venus 00,02 cnj her SSR Dsc.
AA rated birth time: July 1st 1985, 7:20 AM CDT, Birmingham, Alabama 33,N31, 086W49 Asc 05,06 Cancer.
Her current SSR Birmingham, Alabama Asc 14,20 Scorpio.

Seems like my births do not follow the statistical model of angular Venus or Jupiter. They have not been angular in the years I gave birth to my children. However, the Moon and Sun have been. I can see involvement of the Nodes. I can also see Venus conjunct natal EP in LR around one of those births. 1st birth SSR before had Mars, Neptune angular (does not seem like a tme of giving birth).

Venus angular is statistically relevant in the lunar returns. I don't remember the same being true of the solar returns although I'm sure someone somewhere looked at the possibility.

As Jim pointed out recently, prominent Venus symbolism brings happy events and we would expect to see both benefics Venus & Jupiter prominent with births. My niece Dec 7th 2014 Demi SLR which preceded the birth of her first child on Dec 12th featured:
Moon 01,52 Gem
Venus 01,01 Sag.
So, we see Venus prominent in both her current SSR and Demi SLR for the birth of her first child.
Her 1st harmonic SLR on Nov. 24th featured:
MC 25,03 Cancer
Jupiter 27,21 Cancer
An excellent example of Solunars at work with an AA rated birth time. When I have time I will look in my files for other births.

(Maybe Saturn was included in that, too. I'm going from memory.)

I'm going from memory, too, but my recollection is that Saturn was angular at chance frequency, in this study. It was not less than average because, after all , it is "the planet of labor."
-Derek

Derek wrote:

I'm going from memory, too, but my recollection is that Saturn was angular at chance frequency, in this study. It was not less than average because, after all , it is "the planet of labor."

True for the birth of my niece first child with her angular Saturn in her Demi-Lunar.

My daughter was born in January 2006.; my current SSR for this event started in April 2005., with the following as prominent:
t Mars closest to angle, 05*52' on DC in mundo (below horizon)
t Uranus in the immediate foreground, 09*38' from DC, mundo (above horizon)
and ssr Moon conj. s Jup. 02*49', opp. s Mercury 02*59'
r Mercury less than a degree on s MC (eclipto), r Moon near s AC (orb 6* eclipto)
it was a complicated pregnancy (I was hospitalized trice during it, for various reasons) and the birth was via cesarean section; but the year overall, when I look at it from current time-perspective, was one of the most joyous, miraculous and important years of my life.
PS
looked into SLR and DSLR, no prominent Venus in either of them

it was a complicated pregnancy (I was hospitalized trice during it, for various reasons) and the birth was via cesarean section

Bradley's sample study considered only the fact of childbirth. Danica, you bring up a matter that would be a good refinement in a follow-up study. Was the birth normal, or were there medical complications? I feel certain that return charts (and standard Sidereal techniques generally) would statistically show a difference between that and a relatively complication-free childbirth, as per your own example.
Derek

As far as I know (I was under total anesthesia while it was happening - a thing that even now almost brings me to tears - not being there consciously to witness this supreme moment) it was normal, no complication. Only the pregnancy was complicated, that's why they scheduled me for the cesarean.

Only the pregnancy was complicated, that's why they scheduled me for the cesarean.

Precisely my point . A cesarean intervention isn't a "normal" childbirth. I still put the idea forward as a testable hypothesis, regardless.
-Derek