Prince Philip was born June 10, 1921 NS on the Greek island of Corfu (39N40, 19E42).
As for time, unfortunately there are two that seriously disagree. His father (five or six months later) wrote that he was born at 10 AM. (There is a detailed story about this and it is picked up by several biographers, but his father's memory might have slipped by then.) In contrast, a woman attending the birth wrote a book saying he was born at sunset, which occurred 8:08 PM.
Angles of the two charts do nothing to Elizabeth's chart. If he was born at 10 AM, his Moon is pretty close to conjunct hers (which does match my sense of their relationship). In contrast, for the sunset birth, his Moon at 27°37' Cancer exactly touches the most important features of her chart - her Mars-Jupiter-Neptune opposition not far from square Saturn - which, in a more complex way, is hardly ill-fitting.
He died peacefully this morning, April 9, 2021, at Windsor Castle. The earliest news report I've seen was a little after 5 AM but the official announcement was tweeted around noon. I'll use 5 AM if I need a time right now, but can't attest that it's accurate.
Philip, Prince Consort
- Jim Eshelman
- Are You Sirius?
- Posts: 19062
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Philip, Prince Consort
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com
www.jeshelman.com
- Jim Eshelman
- Are You Sirius?
- Posts: 19062
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
For a 10 AM birth, the first thing I notice is that transiting Saturn squares natal MC within a few minutes. Relocating his chart to Windsor puts Saturn more than a degree from local Descendant but does have Sun crossing is local MC today, when he is getting many accolades and recognitions.
His SSR is not very interesting so far as the angles go, but I do notice that a Mars-Neptune conjunction squared his Sun middleground. This might prove interesting before we're done.
His SLR, though, is terminal, while preserving indications of his dignity. SLR planets around Asc:
t Pluto 0°37' above
t Saturn 4°12' below
t Jupiter 8°02' below
I haven't done the math to track exactly angularities of the natal planets but, from the ecliptical charts, an obvious feature is t Saturn op. r Neptune across the horizon. It's quite a good (i.e., descriptive) chart. (His Demi-SLR has similar planets angular but not closely. The most pronounced thing is a Venus-Pluto square 4-5° off the angles, Sun nearby.)
The SNQ (including progressed Moon) has nothing particular to offer (unless the birth time is approximate and we shove the angles a few degrees left or right). As a longer-range item, progressed Sun has squared his natal Mars over the last year. The SQ has no angularities nor contact with SQ Moon. The PSSR might have brought transiting Jupiter to an angle (I can't do fine checking of that here at work).
His SSR is not very interesting so far as the angles go, but I do notice that a Mars-Neptune conjunction squared his Sun middleground. This might prove interesting before we're done.
His SLR, though, is terminal, while preserving indications of his dignity. SLR planets around Asc:
t Pluto 0°37' above
t Saturn 4°12' below
t Jupiter 8°02' below
I haven't done the math to track exactly angularities of the natal planets but, from the ecliptical charts, an obvious feature is t Saturn op. r Neptune across the horizon. It's quite a good (i.e., descriptive) chart. (His Demi-SLR has similar planets angular but not closely. The most pronounced thing is a Venus-Pluto square 4-5° off the angles, Sun nearby.)
The SNQ (including progressed Moon) has nothing particular to offer (unless the birth time is approximate and we shove the angles a few degrees left or right). As a longer-range item, progressed Sun has squared his natal Mars over the last year. The SQ has no angularities nor contact with SQ Moon. The PSSR might have brought transiting Jupiter to an angle (I can't do fine checking of that here at work).
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com
www.jeshelman.com
- Jim Eshelman
- Are You Sirius?
- Posts: 19062
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
Examining a possible birth chart for sunset, the first thing I note is that living near London put his Saturn on MC. I'm not sure that's descriptive of his life since moving there, but it might be. What is quite fitting, though, is that this prince born at sunset has Sun square MC for London.
Transits to these natal angles are quite severe, although that might be because his Sun is there; but the contacts for the angles is closer than for Sun. Consider (for birth at visual sunset):
25°38' Tau - r Sun
26°20' Tau - t Mars
26°40' Aqu - t Neptune
26°43' Sco - r Asc
Switching to his local cusps, the Windsor natal MC was 25°22' Leo. This is exceptional (but, as I said, might be the Sun contacts regardless of birth time).
His final SSR is anything but boring for this birth time: Transiting Saturn is 1°40' from MC in Capricorn, the strongest factor.
His SLR (which was a classic death chart for the other time) has Saturn 0°13' from Westpoint as its strongest factor! It then adds a suitably royal Moon-Jupiter opposition across the horizon. It's as solid a chart as the SLR for the other birth time (though less dramatic) and emphasizes Saturn's transit opposite his Neptune. (The Demi-SLR needs a full breakdown to get the details of mundane interaction. Viewed simply, it seems a lesser chart than the full SLR, has mixed indications, and leads with a Moon-Jupiter conjunction on Zenith which is not unfitting.)
The SNQ puts natal Mars on Dsc for his last 24 hours. Progressed Moon squares progressed Pluto. This is much better than the other chart.
Most impressively, the PSSR (which I've now updated from Janus) has transiting Mars - meaning the Mars-Neptune square in space today! - on Ascendant. This activates the entire Mars-Neptune to his Sun of the SSR. My current angles (which might be as much as a degree off) gives this:
24°18' Aqu - s Mars
24°42' Leo - r Saturn
25°38' Tau - r Sun
25°54' Aqu - s Neptune
26°27' Tau - PSSR Asc
26°19' Tau - t Mars
26°38' Tau - PSSR Sun
26°40' Aqu - t Neptune
Transits to these natal angles are quite severe, although that might be because his Sun is there; but the contacts for the angles is closer than for Sun. Consider (for birth at visual sunset):
25°38' Tau - r Sun
26°20' Tau - t Mars
26°40' Aqu - t Neptune
26°43' Sco - r Asc
Switching to his local cusps, the Windsor natal MC was 25°22' Leo. This is exceptional (but, as I said, might be the Sun contacts regardless of birth time).
His final SSR is anything but boring for this birth time: Transiting Saturn is 1°40' from MC in Capricorn, the strongest factor.
His SLR (which was a classic death chart for the other time) has Saturn 0°13' from Westpoint as its strongest factor! It then adds a suitably royal Moon-Jupiter opposition across the horizon. It's as solid a chart as the SLR for the other birth time (though less dramatic) and emphasizes Saturn's transit opposite his Neptune. (The Demi-SLR needs a full breakdown to get the details of mundane interaction. Viewed simply, it seems a lesser chart than the full SLR, has mixed indications, and leads with a Moon-Jupiter conjunction on Zenith which is not unfitting.)
The SNQ puts natal Mars on Dsc for his last 24 hours. Progressed Moon squares progressed Pluto. This is much better than the other chart.
Most impressively, the PSSR (which I've now updated from Janus) has transiting Mars - meaning the Mars-Neptune square in space today! - on Ascendant. This activates the entire Mars-Neptune to his Sun of the SSR. My current angles (which might be as much as a degree off) gives this:
24°18' Aqu - s Mars
24°42' Leo - r Saturn
25°38' Tau - r Sun
25°54' Aqu - s Neptune
26°27' Tau - PSSR Asc
26°19' Tau - t Mars
26°38' Tau - PSSR Sun
26°40' Aqu - t Neptune
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com
www.jeshelman.com
- Jim Eshelman
- Are You Sirius?
- Posts: 19062
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
The nanny was right: I'm quite sold on the sunset time!
June 10, 1921 NS
8:08 PM EET
Corfu, Greece
39N40, 19E42
June 10, 1921 NS
8:08 PM EET
Corfu, Greece
39N40, 19E42
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com
www.jeshelman.com
-
- Satellite Member
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:06 am
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
Updated AA time now: 10 AM
Birthcertificate
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ph ... ce_Consort
"Chris Mitchell pointed, on 12 April 2021, to the birth certificate published in an English journal."
Birthcertificate
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ph ... ce_Consort
"Chris Mitchell pointed, on 12 April 2021, to the birth certificate published in an English journal."
- Jim Eshelman
- Are You Sirius?
- Posts: 19062
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
That would be based on the father's recording of the time already mentioned - five or six months after the birth. (And nothing so vaguely given should be called AA - usually B at best.)
So... AA label updated from recent attention or not... I'm still sold on the nanny's report of sunset.
So... AA label updated from recent attention or not... I'm still sold on the nanny's report of sunset.
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com
www.jeshelman.com
-
- Satellite Member
- Posts: 21
- Joined: Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:06 am
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
.
I find the time 10 am quite interesting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chive.html
Wiki:
(Btw in Elizabeth's Solar return 1939, Venus and Jupiter angular conj Solar return MC).
I find the time 10 am quite interesting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... chive.html
Wiki:
In the 10 am birthtime Solar return for that year Prince Philip had Venus angular opposing MC (repeating the natal venus conj MC).From July 1939, he began corresponding with the thirteen-year-old Princess Elizabeth,
(Btw in Elizabeth's Solar return 1939, Venus and Jupiter angular conj Solar return MC).
- Jim Eshelman
- Are You Sirius?
- Posts: 19062
- Joined: Sun May 07, 2017 12:40 pm
Re: Philip, Prince Consort
That's a very interesting document and at least deserves close attention. (On first reading, I didn't notice any information that would clarify whether this was recoding the father's report in November or December, or referring to something he did or said earlier.)
Jim Eshelman
www.jeshelman.com
www.jeshelman.com