Anne Heche

[Jim Eshelman]

I thought I had written about this the other day, but I can't find it here anywhere... so, here goes again.

Actress Anne Heche was born May 25, 1969, 4:51 PM, Cleveland, OH according to her birth certificate.

On August 5, 2022, at 10:55 AM in Mar Vista (Los Angeles), she crashed her car first into an apartment complex garage, then hit another car, and then struck a house. The car exploded, leaving her horribly burned. (Preliminary tests said narcotics were in her system.)

She has been hospitalized in critical condition since then. Last night, her doctors said she is essentially brain dead. Her body is being kept alive in preparation of organ donation.

The backstory of the fatal incident seems well documented here:
https://www.etonline.com/anne-heche-dea ... ash-188785
Earlier in the week (Tuesday), she spoke of a "very bad day" that led to drinking vodka chased by wine.

[Jim Eshelman]

Heche was born with Sun in Taurus, Moon in Leo, and Mars in Scorpio. Venus is closely conjunct Descendant.

Moon and Pluto are in the immediate background, but Pluto is less than 3° from due east in azimuth, i.e., on the Antivertex. This seems fitting to her highly disrupted and disrupting life.

Moon conjunct Pluto was her closest aspect, with a close Mercury-Mars opposition the only other hard aspect. Besides showing her talent, these aspects interestingly show the end of her life pretty well, too. (It resembled the tone of her life.)

Her Saturn is quite interesting. It more or less doesn't exist in her chart! Perhaps this shows the virtual lack of self-preservation instinct in her life. It's middleground, in Aries (the sign of its Fall), and utterly unaspected.

Several things are quite interesting in her Novien, especially in its connection to her nativity. I won't go into detail, but, given how she died (and some details of her life), here are a couple of Novien-to-natal aspects:

8°17' Aries - Novien Mars
8°51' Aries - r Saturn

25°29' Scorpio - Novien Neptune
25°51' Leo - r Moon

Heche was seriously mentally ill her entire life. The symptoms were complex, seem to me a little schizotypal, but I'm not sure we have a formal diagnosis. There were certainly elements of multiple personality type defenses, if not the actual disorder. She attributed them to infantile sexual abuse. - Proneness to abuse is much more obvious in her chart than mental illness itself, other than the broad way in which Moon-Pluto can sometimes destabilize (but usually only ibn the presence of trauma).

We can find mental disorder indicators, but they are subtle. We have to dig. For example, there are the two Novien aspects above, with a 22' Moon-Neptune and then the violence and suppression of power of the Mars-Saturn. Also, Pluto on Vertex is interesting (though near-partile Pluto conjunct Moon is good enough - see Ebertin in the Supplement). Mercury is technically afflicted (close opposition to Mars), but it's not what you'd call a pathological Mercury. There's no real perverse planet showing pathology. I think we have to lay it on the reported abuse and its impact on a naturally gentle, vulnerable soul - which is what the nativity mostly shows.

The effect of this was much stronger for her once she moved to Los Angeles. Using Mar Vista as a convenient location, her natal chart locally has Moon 0°29' below Ascendant, Pluto 0°15' above it, their midpoint 0°07' from the angles, their conjunction within 0°44'. She was acutely psychologically vulnerable here.

[Jim Eshelman]

Transits, taken alone, seem quite unfitting. It makes one wonder about her state of mind.

She was born with Venus closely conjunct Descendant. At the time of the explosion, transiting Venus was within 1° of her Midheaven and square natal Venus. This isn't unprecedented or inexplicable (e.g., it may have been a moment of great psychological relief for her), but it isn't outwardly obvious. We have to guess what it might mean.

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't know where she was for her birthday. Wherever she was, she had SSR Moon within about 2° of conjunct natal Venus. For Mar Vista, the SSR seems quite splendid:

24°44' Pis - SSR Moon (0°43' above)
26°51' Pis - r Venus (0°44' above)
0°15' Ari - SSR Asc
2°25' Ari - SSR Venus (2°56' below)

A 0°01' Moon-Venus conjunction (mundane) within a third of a degree of Ascendant? This isn't the chart we expected (though it DOES go with the Venus transits that day). She stopped and bought a red wig immediately before the crash, but "clothes shopping" was hardly the event of the day. I don't know her real state of mind, and don't know where her SSR set up, but will say that this is not the chart I'd have predicted for her.

She also had natal Pluto moderately angular (a bit wide to count it opposite the rising Moon-Venus) and natal Saturn widely angular.


Her August 1 SLR is more on target, especially for psychological instability,. but is hardly perfect. This occurred the day she characterized as a bad day - that seems to have set off these events. The main event of the chart is natal Moon 1°00' from IC, natal Pluto 0°50' on the other side. Neptune transits near Midheaven. But even here we see benefic play: Transiting Jupiter 0°07' from Zenith. One can't resist suspecting this was intentional, a one-woman dive into freedom. However, as before, we have no way of actually knowing. (At least, not yet. I'm curious to see what comes out.)

[SteveS]

So tragic---

[Jim Eshelman]

Even her Ennead was primarily benefic, with Jupiter exactly rising square Mercury on IC. The 10-Day Solar has Venus on IC square Jupiter. and natal Venus rising. This event is nearly a front-to-end Venus and Jupiter event for her.

The Kinetic Lunar is worth a look, but too complicated for me to work out the details here. I'll wait for KLRs to appear in TMSA and then revisit this. I do find it interesting that while her progressed Moon-Mars square was too wide by the time of her death, it was within orb and close at the time of the KLR.

[Jim Eshelman]

Her SNQ had progressed Mercury angular. Yahoo, we can tell she was in a car <lol>. I'm not impressed.

Of her quotidians, the one that spoke best was the PSSR with transiting and SSR Pluto on Descendant.

I don't think these are very important. The louder message of what happened with her is in the longer-term patterns.

[mikestar13]

I'm trying to imagine Anne's state of mind. By the fact of the narcotics in her system, I'm guessing her life wasn't going well. Perhaps all that Jupiter is a mark of "release from suffering"? Anne Heche had an extensive career, and she portrayed some characters I really like. But too many people will only remember her as Ellen DeGeneres' ex-lover. She deserves better.' May the stars and the God who made then grant her peace.

[Jim Eshelman]

Solar Arcs continue the "winning release and relief" themes starting with an essentially exact Moon direction and one clearly malefic strike to the very vulnerable place we discovered from her Novien:

d Moon oc r Jupiter 02' ap
d Venus op r Mars 04' sep
d Asc op r Mercury 10' sep
-- d Sun oc r Mercury 30' sep
d Mars sq r Saturn 27' ap

Since it came up earlier today, I'll even check her Age Harmonic and... sure enough! ...more Jupiter!

AH Sun op AH Jupiter 0°24'

If one takes these back to the natal, we get two astounding aspects:

AH Uranus sq r MC 0°31' sep
AH Mars co r Mars 0°35' ap

[Venus_Daily]

As a victim of sexual assault, I can relate to her in many ways.

[Jim Eshelman]

Maybe James other techniques shows more appropriate symbolism?

I'm thinking these ARE the appropriate symbols.

They're certainly not what we expected, but they are SO consistent that I think we need to trust their message. I think what will shake out is that she found herself in an untenable psychological or practical situation she had to get away from at any cost and she decided she wood - that she'd take some drugs, go shopping, drive her car fast, and make sure she blew up and died at the end in a "one woman Thelma & Louise" exhilarating surge of freedom.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[SteveS]

I could be wrong to Jim, but in my way of thinking we need to see some hard core Saturn in the stack of charts.

[Jim Eshelman]

I'd be happy with Mars, or Mars-Uranus. It's not a Saturn kind of thing.

[ODdOnLifeItself]

I'm using the Starkman rectification (16:36:32 EDT)...

In the Age Harmonic chart (technique not involved in the rectification!),

...for the Crash, there is a Mars in the 3rd opposition to the IC, literally high speed (Mars) and fire (Mars) in an auto (3rd) leading to the end of life (IC). Pluto conjoins natal Venus, Neptune opposes natal Ascendant and Uranus opposes natal Saturn.

...for her Death, Pluto has moved up to make the Mars-IC opposition (formed at the crash) into a T-Square! Neptune squares natal Midheaven, Pluto conjoins natal S.Node, and Neptune conjoins Venus.

In the diurnal chart,

...for the Crash, Uranus conjunct Node, both opposite Moon and sesquisquare Midheaven.

...for the Death, after suffering a week, Uranus comes to square the 8th House Sun, as Jupiter lines up directly on the IC. (release to spirit)

The PSSR aspects,

...for the Crash, Venus inconjunct Neptune 0° 5', Node trine 12th 0° 5'.

...for her Death, the Moon has moved to inconjunct Pluto 0° 4'.

In the Solar Arcs for the Crash,

Pluto is opposite 8th cusp/powerpoint (only topo) (0° 14' orb)
SA Mars/Uranus = natal MC (0° 8') [quartosquare, 16h]

The Topocentric Primary Directions (again) seem the most dramatic,

Ascendant conjunct Neptune 0° 1'
Uranus opposite 8th 0° 1'
Mars conjunct Part of Fortune 0° 0'

[Jim Eshelman]

I must say that Heche's chart is one of the best examples of houses working that I've seen in a ln time. I give her mundoscope below.

Understanding that houses just tell the environmental (contextual) "story" that people's psyches weave about them (which doesn't mean it's false: it's just how their psyches tell the tale), these placements describe very well her reported early life experiences, mental health, the nature of her talent and ambition, her relationship history - arguably, even the mode and details of her death.

Not all people with an 8th house Sun and 12th house Moon struggle with abuse and mental health issues, but find this or people involved in secrets or tragic drama, or as famous for their deaths as for what they did in their lives. or (in the case of Warren Buffet) for handling other people's money. The 12th house stellium shows pretty well for actors, though its real meaning seems to be depersonalization (surrender of ego, disidentification with oneself - in the best or worst senses). The 7th house planets align well enough with her relationship history and facing of the public. Mars in 2nd seems to mean a hurling oneself into the outer world to conquer it. Mercury in the 8th house opposed by Mars (almost the only close mundane aspect) is highly descriptive of her death.

Though I don't know what connection or similarity they may have (if any), author Anatole France also had Moon, Pluto, Jupiter, and Uranus in the 12th house - but he also had Sun, Mercury, and Mars there (plus Venus 2° above Ascendant).

This is simple stuff and, admittedly, houses are elastic enough that the game is easy in hindsight. Nonetheless, the fit is unusually good so, in fairness and given how interesting it looks, I thought I should mention it.

[SteveS]

In my words or other words, I see her Moon-Pluto cnj in her 12H as "stunning" (Pluto) emotional (Moon) "self-undoing," tragic.

[Jim Eshelman]

In my words or other words, I see her Moon-Pluto cnj in her 12H as "stunning" (Pluto) emotional (Moon) "self-undoing," tragic.

Yes, see how easily the chart yields up easy keywords to describe the outer details of her life?

I have four charts in my large research file with Moon and Pluto conjunct in 12th house. It's an interesting mix: Besides Heche, we have K.D. Lang, King Ludwig II, and Queen Victoria. The most interesting question, I think, is why Queen Victoria fits with the other three.

[SteveS]

It sure does Jim. I use to not pay much attention to house meanings, but the older I got with more hindsight with my Natal houses, the more impressed I became with house meanings.

[Jim Eshelman]

It sure does Jim. I use to not pay much attention to house meanings, but the older I got with more hindsight with my Natal houses, the more impressed I became with house meanings.

My collection of nearly a thousand interesting public figures with well-documented birth times has 64 people with Sun in 8th. Of these, seven also have Moon in 12th. They all have 8th house / 12th house themes, but (almost to a one) they are mostly DIFFERENT 8H/12H themes. The elasticity makes this hard to apply, but the most basic themes of these houses fit. See if you can detect them:

Abigail Folger
Andrew Lloyd Webber
Anne Heche
John F. Kennedy
Julian Assange
Marsilio Ficino
Warren Buffet

[SteveS]

Jim, I cannot detect them off hand. What are they? Rarely do I look at House symbolism for other natives because there are so many multiple meanings for Houses, therefore I believe it actually takes the astrologer themselves to focus in on the exact House meanings for their life with their individual psyche. In my Natal the loudest House symbolism are my 8th, 9th, and 11th Houses, with my 8th manifesting the most impactful "events" in my life, leaving deep imprints onto my psyche. I know this: It took me a long time into my life before I started understanding on a truly enlighten astrological level WHY I encountered so much malefic 8H symbolism in my life. One of the first things I did when I got into astrology was to look at house meanings and they had little symbolic meanings for me so I dropped Houses from my astrological tool kit, but now at my advanced age I see/understand on much deeper levels for my psyche the true precise accurate meanings for my House symbolism.

I knew very little about Anne Heche life before her death/chart/houses were posted on this forum, but now know I would truly like to be able to understand her psyche/state of mind leading up to this tragic event in her life. But, when you posted her 12 House and I saw that Moon-Pluto conjunction in her 12H--I immediately understood better a possible very troubled Moon-Pluto soul/psyche because of her 12H symbolism. I really don't understand where you are coming from about 8th & 12th links with your in-depth studies with charts, I only have some understanding about straight-up 12H symbolism.

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim, I cannot detect them off hand. What are they?

What occurs to me on first glance (and these aren't the only 8th house themes that jump out, just the big ones). For a house with primary themes of death, penetrating dark and secret places (especially psychological roots), and other people's money and property, here are the three-second impressions that popped out when I first saw the list:

John Kennedy and Abigail Folger are known as much for their death as what they did in life. (Folger, you may not know, was the coffee heiress - inheritance is another 8H theme - who was visiting Sharon Tate the night the Manson family came in to kill them all.)

Andrew Lloyd Webber, of course, is known not only for his success (not necessarily an 8H theme) but specifically for deep, often macabre theatrical dramas often of penetrating psychological impact - almost without exception climaxing in a majestic death (not that "death at the end of a story" is rare to opera, theater, or film). It is especially the power and psychological penetration and impact of his work that I thought. Add 12H Moon for theater.

Julian Assange is all about espionage and (as the 8H phrase goes) "other people's property." (Much more that could be said here.) Add 12H Moon for more espionage/secrets themes plus his years in political asylum.

Marsilio Ficino is a bit vaguer, but his general deep occult and metaphysical interests is enough by itself.

Warren Buffet, of course, is best known for investments and specifically other people's money.

Anne Heche: It's too early to see how her story will be told in years to come, but as she already autobiographically told her story, it's heavily rooted in sexual abuse and a lifetime of mental illness. (There was way more to her than that, but that's where she drew much of the attention.) It may also be that (like Kennedy and Folger) she ends up being remembered as much for her death as for anything she did while alive.

[SteveS]

Ah, I now understand where you are coming from Jim, most interesting. I do remember reading when I first got into astrology (Tropical), the 6th,8th,12th H were looked upon by ancient astrological witers as mostly malefic Houses, there may indeed be something to this, with a careful analysis by us with the planet(s), aspects, which occupy these Houses. Thanks for you insights with your in-depth research.

[Jim Eshelman]

Ah, I now understand where you are coming from Jim, most interesting. I do remember reading when I first got into astrology (Tropical), the 6th,8th,12th H were looked upon by ancient astrological witers as mostly malefic Houses, there may indeed be something to this, with a careful analysis by us with the planet(s), aspects, which occupy these Houses. Thanks for you insights with your in-depth research.

They're still subtle at best. One could still make the case that there is nothing to them. They are nearly impossible to quantify. Yet there is so much smoke that one suspects there must be a real fire in there.

I'm getting very settled in the idea that the houses are not so much telling what's objectively true in someone's life but, rather, then model of it. For decades, observant astrologers have known that houses don't really show objective details about things and people in the environment (e.g., 5H planets etc. don't really describe your children, 3H planets don't really describe your brothers and sister). The comfortable compromise line is that the houses show one's experience in these areas of life. I've come to think that this isn't narrow enough: It falls more in the area of one's persistent story about oneself, the way one weaves experience into a narrative and generally would always tell it, the mix of objective circumstances and subjective ideas that the person "always tells" either aloud or to other people about one's life. This matches your observation that it gets easier to talk about them the later one gets in life, because the later one gets in life the more one's "story" is settled in.

To address the numerous individual things that get associated with each house, I started speaking and writing in the late '70s and early '80s about a model that generates all the primary themes from root ideas. I have a description of that model here: https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=196

Stay away from "derivative houses" (the idea that any house can be the 1st house of it's own system, e.g., 6H and 12H being uncles and aunts because they are the brother or sister [3H] of a parent [4H or 10H]). The exception is that opposing houses seem to have a self-other or inner world vs. outer world polarity. Stay away (at least, initially) from house ideas unique to the Indian systems because they are usually culturally embedded (e.g., 9H for father is because, in that culture, father is normally one's first religious teacher or guru, and through caste inheritance is the indicator of one's social role).

On your 12H example, the one idea behind all of the other ideas is: Having reached maximum identification with SELF by the time it reaches Ascendant, a planet crosses into the 12th and must immediately is cast in a field of others-ness, or selflessness. This is initially resisted in most cases (hence the sense of pathology in many cases), not finding entirely free embracing of others until 11H. From this simple description come ideas such as disidentification with oneself (your "self undoing" is brilliant!), unconsciousness, the self being hidden or sequestered away (even institutionalized); plus, being new to the Others hemisphere, it signifies "unknown others" (usually expressed as "unknown enemies," but also "unknown friends") in contrast to the 7th which - being at the maximum exposure to the Others hemisphere - signifies "known others" (known friends, known enemies).

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

…because the later one gets in life the more one's "story" is settled in.

Exactly Jim, the more we see/understand. With me, it finally dawned on me that the experiences of my House’s “story” was meant to be written that way. It’s what Gayle always told me when I looked-up into the heaves and ask WHY me with the malefic crap that manifested in my life, and Gayle would say—dear—it was meant to happen and you must accept and release it back to the universe as acceptance as a woven part of your life. Death will be the final release of the life you lived. I had a psychic tell me the main problem with most people’s lives—is they don’t know how to release the negative things that happen to them in life—they carry these already manifested malefic things throughout their whole life without releasing them out of their psyche.
Jim wrote:

To address the numerous individual things that get associated with each house, I started speaking and writing in the late '70s and early '80s about a model that generates all the primary themes from root ideas. I have a description of that model here: https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=196

Can we members post some of our House experiences in the above thread? May be a learning curve experience for us all.

Indeed, I have always stayed away from "derivative houses."

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve, I created another thread for that so that the earlier one is only about presenting the theoretical model.
https://solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6536

[SteveS]

[Jim Eshelman]

By the way, I have seen you use derivative houses. In a few threads, you've alluded to 11H as "money from career," because it's the 2nd from the 10th. That's derivative houses as much as saying that the 8th house refers to your grandchildren's secret enemies because it's the 12th from the 5th from the 5th.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

By the way, I have seen you use derivative houses. In a few threads, you've alluded to 11H as "money from career," because it's the 2nd from the 10th. That's derivative houses as much as saying that the 8th house refers to your grandchildren's secret enemies because it's the 12th from the 5th from the 5th.

An emphatic No Jim! If I was refering to derivative houses I did not know I was doing so. I once asked a psychic to explain to me about my planetary symbolism in my 11H and she said it had to do with "how to make money." Later in life when I discovered my ASC/MC = Neptune in my 11H I said to myself: Ahh, there it is--How I made money in my career with Neptune (Theaters). Later I read the Hamburg School associated the ASC/MC as having to do with much symbolic meaning for Career (MC) impulses pertaining to the type environmental place (ASC) for the Career. Makes perfect sense to me based on my life and the fact when we bring the MC and ASC together as a ASC/MC midpoint where in all cases with native's charts the ASC/MC lands in the 11H with an equal house system which I believe the ancients were using. The psychic I was working with knew absolutely nothing about astrology, she was channeling answers to me. Never in my astrological life have I even studied derivative houses. This was a mistaken assumption on your part, but I understand, probably had to do with by choice of words wrongly stated.

[Jim Eshelman]

Oops, my mistake: It's an occasionally repeated Tropical use specifically as a derivative house idea (2nd house from the 10th).

If we are to use houses for your Neptune situation (the psychic's excellent non-astrological impressions aside), I think we can simply attach it to your fervent hopes and wishes. The 11th is the aspiration that precedes the 10th house attainment.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I think we can simply attach it to your fervent hopes and wishes. The 11th is the aspiration that precedes the 10th house attainment.

Excellent point Jim, I totally agree. Our careers has to be a part of what we 'hope & wish' for. With me it was a big part of my main dream coming true for my life.