C-Section chart selection

[Jim Eshelman]

I do feel sad as well for them, especially as they will also have moon-pluto as well as moon-saturn.

No Moon-Pluto. Moon will be in late Cancer (opposite Saturn). Pluto is in early Capricorn. They won't even get a Moon-Pluto progression for six or seven years.

[Jim Eshelman]

Freya, we're thinking of you this morning (which, for you, is moving onto the evening). I hope this finds you and your girls doing well together.

[Freya]

Thank you Jim, I had the most horrific experience of my life in terms of the operation. Because of the kidney failure/ advanced pre eclampsia I lost 3 liters of blood, the surgeons were unpleasant and I passed out from the pain on the operating theater. The anestethist was horrible and did not listen when I was saying that it was wearing off. I felt myself being punched in the uterus by two doctors, which made me pass out. Tgen they inflated a balloon in my uterus to stop the hemorrage at maximum capacity which sent me into unstoppable convulsions akin to an epileptic fit. By then I was just in a room with my husband who cannot speak a word of italian but managed to get help. I was given a general and the baloon was deflated to a more manegeable level of pain. The staff was unpleasant. The experience was horrible and I felt physically violated

The staff disregarded my wishes and gave the girls vitamin k shots when I asked for oral drops because I was losing a lot of blood!!!

The whole ordeal lasted 5 hours during which I did not see my daughters having asked for skin to skin contact.

Positive notes- I came around just in time to sign my refusal to donated human milk and I did not need a transfusion, which I would have denied anyway, much to the surprise of the surgeon who said that my body must have been pretty healthy to withstand that level of blood loss without a transfusion

The first part of the cesarean was ok, I had my eyes on the clock and the girls were born as follows

Isabella Rose at 10.13 am
Eliza Arwen at 10.14 am

I have just now came around enough to be able to hold them. They are both very healthy girls, much to the surprise of tge doctors

[Jim Eshelman]

Freya, what a horrible ordeal. (You do have rough charts, as we discussed at the beginning.) The better stuff is ahead, starting next week.

thanks for exerting yourself so hard to post this - which must have been quite a physical and emotional ordeal on its own. If you'd waited a couple of days, we'd have understood (though we certainly would have been worried).

Isabella Rose at 10.13 am
Eliza Arwen at 10.14 am

Glad to hear this bit of good news about their healthy birth You did it!

I will look at these in more detail when I can. The foreground planets are Mars (Dsc: 4°30'), Jupiter (N: 1°57'), and Pluto (EP: 0°24'), which seems to describe the conditions in the room at the time. While both luminaries do aspect Saturn (which is also a Sun-sign dignitary), Moon square Uranus is partile - the closest luminary aspect - as Venus square Jupiter and Mars square Neptune.

Here is Isabella's chart from TMSA:

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA    Decl    Azi     Alt     PVL    Ang G
Mo 26Cn59' 2"  5N13 +12° 0' 146°11' 19N 5 262°44' +35°28' 215°41'  32%   
Su 28Li55'35"  0N 0 + 1° 0' 231°36' 18S46 152°32' +22°51' 317°35'  10%   
Me  3Sc24'36"  0S45 + 1°34' 236° 3' 20S33 149° 5' +19°38' 325°13'   2%   
Ve  5Sc 6'16"  0N13 + 1°15' 238° 2' 19S59 147° 2' +19°24' 327° 5'   1%   
Ma 28Ta30'19"  1N16 -14'29"  82°55' 24N33 309°24' - 3°29' 175°30'  95% D 
Ju  3Pi50'31"  1S30 - 1'35" 359°35'  1S48  35°24' -42°23'  57°36'  99% N 
Sa 24Cp 1'55"  1S17 + 2'27" 321°56' 16S19  83°26' -30°35'  30°45'  40%   
Ur 21Ar33'48"  0S22 - 2'28"  44°16' 16N27 339° 5' -27°14' 124°45'  33%   
Ne 27Aq40'34"  1S13 - 0'35" 353°48'  4S 0  43°40' -41°40'  52°12'   4%   
Pl  1Cp25' 2"  2S13 + 1' 5" 298°57' 23S 2 104°32' -18°30'  19° 4' 100% E
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    Class 1 Aspects         Class 2 Aspects         Class 3 Aspects     
Mo sq Su  1°57' 93%      Su co Me  4°29' 78%       Mo sq Me  6°26' 25%  
Mo sx Ma  1°31' 96%      Su co Ve  6°11' 60%       Su op Ur  7°22' 43%  
Mo op Sa  2°57' 91%      Su tr Ju  4°55' 55%       Ma sq Ju  5°20' 47%  
Mo sq Ur  0°56' 98% M    Su sq Sa  4°54' 55%       Ju oc Ur  2°43' 16%  
Su tr Ne  1°15' 97%      Me sq Ne  3° 1' 82% M     Ur sx Ne  6° 7' 31%  
Su sx Pl  2°29' 88%      Ve sq Ne  4°53' 55% M                          
Me co Ve  1°42' 97%      Ve sx Pl  3°41' 74%                            
Me tr Ju  0°26'100%      Ma tr Sa  4°28' 62%                            
Me sx Pl  2° 0' 92%      Ju co Ne  5°23' 69% M                          
Ve sq Ju  0°30'100% M    Ne sx Pl  3°44' 73%                            
Ma sq Ne  0°50' 99%                                                     
Ju sx Pl  2°25' 89%                                                     
Sa sq Ur  2°28' 88%                                                     
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                              Cosmic State                              
Mo Cn+   | sq Ur  0°56'M   sx Ma  1°31'    sq Su  1°57'    op Sa  2°57'    
         | sq Me  6°26'    
Su Li- B | tr Ne  1°15'    sq Mo  1°57'    sx Pl  2°29'    co Me  4°29'    
         | co Ve  6°11'    sq Sa  4°54'    tr Ju  4°55'    op Ur  7°22'    
Me Sc  B | tr Ju  0°26'    co Ve  1°42'    sx Pl  2° 0'    sq Ne  3° 1'M   
         | co Su  4°29'    sq Mo  6°26'    
Ve Sc- B | Su Li+
         | sq Ju  0°30'M   co Me  1°42'    sx Pl  3°41'    co Su  6°11'    
         | sq Ne  4°53'M   
Ma Ta- F | Mo Cn-
         | sq Ne  0°50'    sx Mo  1°31'    tr Sa  4°28'    sq Ju  5°20'    
Ju Pi  F | Mo Cn+
         | tr Me  0°26'    sq Ve  0°30'M   sx Pl  2°25'    co Ne  5°23'M   
         | tr Su  4°55'    sq Ma  5°20'    oc Ur  2°43'    
Sa Cp+   | Mo Cn- Su Li+
         | op Mo  2°57'    sq Ur  2°28'    tr Ma  4°28'    sq Su  4°54'    
Ur Ar    | sq Mo  0°56'M   sq Sa  2°28'    op Su  7°22'    sx Ne  6° 7'    
         | oc Ju  2°43'    
Ne Aq  B | sq Ma  0°50'    tr Su  1°15'    sq Me  3° 1'M   sx Pl  3°44'    
         | co Ju  5°23'M   sq Ve  4°53'M   sx Ur  6° 7'    
Pl Cp  F | Su Li-
         | sx Me  2° 0'    sx Ju  2°25'    sx Su  2°29'    sx Ve  3°41'    
         | sx Ne  3°44' 

[Jim Eshelman]

Let me say that given the rough aspects - including both luminaries to Saturn - you couldn't have done better in that entire time range than to get Jupiter on Nadir (and at 99% angularity strength).

Isabella has Pluto 0°35' from EP, Jupiter 1°41' from Nadir, and Mars 4°42' from Descendant.

Their Moons are in pretty good shape. Moon is dignified in Cancer with the three closest aspects being Uranus, Mars, and Sun (Saturn is fourth strongest, an entire degree farther away).

Sun is more obscure. It's in detriment in Libra and background, with its closest aspects being Neptune and Moon; however, Sun square Moon by itself gives a dynamism and a psychic vitality you don't otherwise see in such a weak Sun. Not bad, though perhaps a bit passive.

Mercury is background - a tendency to think people don't listen to you - but well aspected, with a partile trine to Jupiter and close conjunction with Venus. (The other aspects are Neptune, Pluto, and the luminaries.)

Venus in Scorpio and background isn't in its best place (but I've lived with these all my life except for moving as an adult to where Venus was foreground). The partile square to Jupiter makes it well aspected (and there are no malefic aspects until fairly wide).

Mars in Taurus isn't its best place (for Mars; but the people tend to be pleasant). It's foreground and will have the Neptune aspect to juggle.

Jupiter is angular with close aspects to Mercury and Venus - these give good traits that make life kinder and a little easier.

Saturn in her own sign is unquestionably powerful, though, with a Libra Sun and aspects to both luminaries. Moderate aspects to Mars and Uranus should be looked into and understood.

[Veronica]

Congratulations Freya! So glad to hear that you and the babies survived and are doing well. I'm sorry you had such a horrible experience, but that's behind you now and you have two blessings to share your loving heart with!!

[Freya]

Thank you so much Jim I appreciate all the help you have given me so far on my girl’s chart. At the end of the ordeal, I was told that I risked my own life today, and had I waited until the 24th U would have risked all three of our lives. This is due to pre eclampsia not having been diagnosed earlier in the UK due to their poor medical care.

I now hope my milk comes in tomorrow, I feel that someone was watching over me when I saw a nurse with two baby bottles and was able to find the strength to stop her administering contaminated milk to my daughters. They were horrified that I chose formula for today, but I felt that I was able to save them from irreversible damage from a certain protein almost certainly in it. I am hoping my body starts to produce milk for them despite the trauma, and that my homeopathic kit works

It was a painful and surreal day, only now it has sunken in that I have two newborns with me, I look at them and still can’t believe it. They are the biggest twins they have seen in a while.

Has Eliza a similar Jupiter influence by any chance?

[Jim Eshelman]

They both do. Hers is slightly stronger.

[Freya]

Second best news I had today!!!! Thank you Jim!!!

[Jim Eshelman]

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[Jim Eshelman]

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[SteveS]

Congratulations Freya! But OMG the pain you went through. I guess there is something to that old saying “no pain-no gain.”

Took a quick glance at your daughters Direct Midpoints and it is obvious their Moons are the most important structured part of their scopes from a Cosmobiology point of view with benefic tones. And their Moon's by the sign of Cancer are prominetely placed. I have been real busy lately and will continue to be so for the next few weeks, but when I catch some time I will post the tones for your daughter’s Moon’s Direct Midpoints.

[Jim Eshelman]

Oh, I can help get that started, Steve. - In fact, midpoint differences involving angles (if there are any) may be useful in distinguishing the twins a bit. Here are all direct midpoints with a 1° orb.

First, Isabella:

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Mo Cn+   |    Me/Ur 30'd   
Su Li-   |    Ve/Ur 36'd      Ne/Pl 37'd   
Me Sc    |    Ju/Pl 47'd   
Ma Ta-   |    Sa/Mc 35'd      Mo/Mc 54'd   
Ju Pi    |    Ve/Pl 35'd   
Ne Aq    |    Sa/Mc 15'd   
Pl Cp    |    Su/Ju  2'd      Ve/Ne  2'd      Mo/As 16'd      Me/Ne 52'd   
Mc Li    |    Ve/Ne 25'd      Su/Ju 26'd      Mo/As 40'd   
Angle    |    Mo/Me 27'M 

Next, Eliza:

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Mo Cn+   |    Me/Ur 30'd   
Su Li-   |    Ve/Ur 36'd      Ne/Pl 37'd   
Me Sc    |    Ju/Pl 47'd   
Ma Ta-   |    Sa/Mc 27'd   
Ju Pi    |    Ve/Pl 35'd   
Ne Aq    |    Sa/Mc 23'd   
Pl Cp    |    Su/Ju  2'd      Ve/Ne  2'd      Mo/As  9'd      Me/Ne 52'd   
Mc Li    |    Ve/Ne 41'd      Su/Ju 42'd      Mo/As 49'd   
Angle    |    Mo/Me 12'M      Ju/Ur 50'M   

To filter their differences, here are ONLY the midpoints involving angles. For each planet I'll prefix i for Isabella and e for Eliza:

iMa = Sa/MC 35' = Mo/MC 54'
eMa = Sa/MC 27'

iNe = Sa/MC 15'
eNe = Sa/MC 23'

iPl = Mo/As 16'
ePl = Mo/As 9'

iMC = Ve/Ne 25' = Su/Ju 26' = Mo/As 40'
eMC = Ve/Ne 41' = Su/Ju 42' = Mo/As 49'

iMundane to Angle = Mo/Me 27'
eMundane to Angle = Mo/Me 12' = Ju/Ur 50'

[Jim Eshelman]

Steve likes different orbs and defines direct midpoints differently than I do. Here is the midpoint report using 1°30' orbs and using is definitions for "direct."

For Isabella:

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Mo Cn+   |    Me/Ur 30'd      Ve/Ur 81'd   
Me Sc    |    As/Mc  9'd      Su/Ve 84'd   
Ma Ta-   |    Sa/Mc 35'd   
Sa Cp+   |    Su/Ur 73'd   
Ne Aq    |    Ur/Pl 71'd   
Pl Cp    |    Su/Ju  2'd      Ve/Ne  2'd      Me/Ne 52'd   
Mc Li    |    Mo/As 40'd   
Angle    |    Mo/Me 27'
FM      Ve/Sa 65'M      Ju/Ur 70'M      Mo/Ve 83'M

For Eliza:

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Mo Cn+   |    Me/Ur 30'd      Ve/Ur 81'd   
Me Sc    |    As/Mc 24'd      Su/Ve 84'd   
Ve Sc-   |    As/Mc 78'd   
Ma Ta-   |    Sa/Mc 27'd   
Sa Cp+   |    Su/Ur 73'd   
Ne Aq    |    Ur/Pl 71'd   
Pl Cp    |    Su/Ju  2'd      Ve/Ne  2'd      Me/Ne 52'd   
Mc Li    |    Mo/As 49'd   
Angle    |    Mo/Me 12'M      Ju/Ur 50'M      Mo/Ve 69'M      Ve/Sa 79'M

[Freya]

Wow, such an in-depth insight will definitely help me be a better mom, especially as they grow up. Does saturn aspecting both luminaries give ill-health?

[Jim Eshelman]

Wow, such an in-depth insight will definitely help me be a better mom, especially as they grow up. Does saturn aspecting both luminaries give ill-health?

It can. That's not a primary effect (many are quite sturdy), and it's not the only effect. The angular Jupiter will help ease that, I suspect.'

The main characteristic isn't ill health so much as a broader sense of struggle. Saturn peoples' energies need to be absorbed into survival tasks. On the one hand, one can say (compared to the average) that they have to struggle harder to survive (may be exposed to more hardship, compared to their life situation). On the other hand, this also means that they are more naturally equipped to effectively struggle (more effectively navigate hardship and turn it around). They are usually the hardest working of people - more focus on work than play, more time spent in labor than leisure.

[Jim Eshelman]

Freya, in all of this I haven't highlighted the basics for you to go back and read at your leisure. The links below have the weakness of being too much data (and it all has to fit together somehow in the unfolding of their lives).

The longer I do this, the more I settle into the idea that Sun and Moon sign interpretations do make up the vast majority of character description. (We have certainly developed it best by now.) These are modified especially by strong aspects to the luminaries (though the Libra Sun already has a lot of Saturn in its nature) and by the biggest details in the rest of the chart (e.g., the closely angular Pluto is going to give a very different flavor to the Libra Sun - which alone is anti-Pluto - but none of these differences will cancel the essential Libra traits.).

I suggest you explore the sign links first, then supplement with fitting each of the others into what you already know from the sign interpretations.

Sun in Libra: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=35#p161
Moon in Cancer: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34#p145
Mars in Taurus: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... p=115#p116

Pluto on EP (100% strength) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p191
Jupiter on Nadir (99% strong) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p187
Mars on Dsc (95% strong) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=38#p186 [Don't overemphasize Mars compared to the others, but blend it with the others]

A few aspects, trying to hit the more important (but not exhaustive):

Venus-Jupiter sq (100%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1221
Mercury-Jupiter tr (100%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1214
Mars-Neptune sq (99%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1230
Moon-Uranus sq (98%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1247
Mercury-Venus co (97%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=182#p1212
Moon-Sun sq (93%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1233
Moon-Saturn op (91%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=184#p1246
Saturn-Uranus sq (88%) https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php? ... 1170#p1170

[Jim Eshelman]

I want to give this list - same factors - a different way to explore how useful or meaningful my tight keyword or key phrase system can be. (I keep wanting to lean towards "less is more," since too many lines of text boggle anyone's mind. Do these phrases say enough to be useful?)

Sun in Libra: Beauty, Enticement, Justice
Moon in Cancer: Imagery, Feeling, Expression
Mars in Taurus: Artistic, Romantic, Pensive

Pluto on EP (100% strength) Outlier, Uncontrolled, Innocence
Jupiter on Nadir (99% strong) Enjoyment, Ambition, Inclusion
Mars on Dsc (95% strong) Courage, Energy, Aggression

A few aspects, trying to hit the more important (but not exhaustive):

Venus-Jupiter sq (100%) Social or loving pleasure, recognition and esteem; happiness
Mercury-Jupiter tr (100%) Advantage of intellect, quality mind, success with words
Mars-Neptune sq (99%) Forging reality, dramatic aggression, frustrated gratification
Moon-Uranus sq (98%) Emotional renewal, discovery, new responses
Mercury-Venus co (97%) Social engagement, play; or intellect oppose to feeling
Moon-Sun sq (93%) Desire, psychic vitality, instincts serve ego-purpose; importance as an adaptation
Moon-Saturn op (91%) Emotional loss, survival adaptations, hardship, sadness
Saturn-Uranus sq (88%) Autonomy, ingenuity, harsh reality, constraint vs. freedom

[SteveS]

Freya, based on the Cosmobiology School of Astrology, your twin daughters were born with very important midpoints involving the AS/MC midpoint. Ebertin from his book “The Combination of Stellar Influences” footnotes this important midpoint by stating:

The mid-point AS/MC should always be examined as this frequently has a bearing on the whole personality and because directions (Solar Arc) over this point may result in a change of life and circumstances (when connected by planetary midpoints.)

*Their Solar Arc MC's will be directed to their Mercury-Venus conjunction when they become 30-33 years of age. This will definitely fire off more so the “Principle” of Mercury-Venus with “A sense and appreciation of beauty, thoughts of love.” This Mercury-Venus conjunction in their charts is prominently mathematically placed in their Natals with other very important direct midpoints involving their Natal Moon which is so important for their “ego/personality/souls.”

I know this: I was born with a direct AS/MC = Nep and when my MC Solar Arc directed over my AS/MC = Nep, it completely changed my life and its circumstances, my lifelong dream came true with me becoming an Independent Theater Owner. This midpoint indeed dominated my “whole personality” with me being born and raised in a Theater environment.

Your twin daughters were born with very benefic direct midpoints of AS/MC involving their Mercury-Venus conjunction with:

AS/MC = ME (0,23 for Eliza) and (0,08 for Isabella)

Using the maximum allowed orb of 1,30 degree by the Cosmobiology School of Astrology, Eliza has a direct midpoint of AS/MC = VE, but Isabella does not have this same direct midpoint. Whether or not this will resister with you as a Mother being a close observant in their life, you will have to wait and see as they each will seek & fall into their own immediate environments as they mature. But understand both Mercury & Venus in their charts are always connected by the important aspect of conjunction.

There are other important direct midpoints involved with their AS/MC, and if you will acquire Ebertin’s book “Combination of Stellar Influences” I will point these out for you to earmark the tones to track for their lives. Also, their Mercury-Venus conjunction is wired into their natal Moon with direct midpoints which the School of Cosmobiology would consider most important. IMO, you need to become familiar with these certain tones for your daughters in the “Combination of Stellar Influence”--- it will offer you as Mother a very unique personal perspective for your twin daughters with a higher sight for guidance/appreciation in raising your daughters.

[Freya]

Today I was finally allowed to go home from hospital. I can definitely feel the energy shift between SLR. I must admit my extended hospital stay had a negative impact on my mental health. I still find it surprising that a much wanted birth would fall under a Saturn SLR, despite health difficulties, and I can see how much easier it was to presume that the current SLR would have coincided with a birth, instead of being released from “prison”.

Steve, I have the Ebertin’s book snd I would be grateful if we could go through the relevant sections together please

Jim, again I am grateful that you have posted all the links so I can refer to the material so conveniently, especially at this moment.
I gather that the main challenges I will have is not to cause a sense of void and loss in them, due to the moon-saturn aspect, which is likely to be reinforced by the sun-Saturn aspect.

I am really afraid to screw this up, and that I am already set up to fail from what’s in their birthcharts and their relationship with me


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[Jim Eshelman]

Nope. Don't be afraid. - For one thing, they'll pick up on it. For another, it likely isn't warranted. - It IS natural, though (understandable).

I'm glad you're feeling the benefits of the new SLR.

Statistically, most women deliver when transiting or natal Moon and benefics are angular. They tend NOT to happen when transiting or natal Mars or Neptune is angular. There can be exceptions to these, e.g., Mars when there is surgical intervention or the like, Neptune with unusual chemical or panic situations; but, usually, we see Moon, Venus, Jupiter, and/or Uranus near angles and do not see Mars or Neptune.

Notice I didn't mention Saturn: It's indifferent to the issue. Labor can be laborious or not. It's mixed. I didn't see Saturn as contrary to delivery, but as likely to add difficulties I'd have rather spared you - so, I advised the elective delivery be scheduled under Jupiter.

But life had other plans for you. Fortunately you are now on the physical and emotional mend and the girls are fine.

[Freya]

Jim which aspect ir feature in my daughters’ charts would you say I should focus particular attention to, to avoid any unpleasant unfolding of character? Right now I am focussing on saturn aspecting both luminaries, as the main feature of future unhappiness, but maybe there’s also something else I shouldn’t overlook?

[Veronica]

Freya,
I know you asked Jim, but I had a friend ask me for help with her daughters self mutilation and her despair and struggle to help her.
I told her that I felt it would be very helpful for her to get her own counseling, to reach out (like she was) and ask loudly for help, to let her daughter know that she is there to help, and that she will always be there for her and that she doesnt have all the answers or solutions or know what's best but that together they will get through all that life throws at them, but that it was vital for her daughter to see the mother asking for help and seeking ways to talk about things and explore possibilities from other people who have experience and understanding and training and compassion. By setting up this support system and instilling in her daughter that it is normal to struggle and it is normal to ask for advice and support from our community at large, we will set in motion a healthy pattern of behavior that can get us through all things the Universe unfolds.

[Jim Eshelman]

Jim which aspect ir feature in my daughters’ charts would you say I should focus particular attention to, to avoid any unpleasant unfolding of character? Right now I am focussing on saturn aspecting both luminaries, as the main feature of future unhappiness, but maybe there’s also something else I shouldn’t overlook?

I had a long answer almost done then accidentally closed the window - so I think I'm supposed to recreate it more briefly. I'll answer your question; but first, I think you asked the wrong question.

The one thing that psych research keeps confirming is that children who have plenty of love and sense of connection become the healthiest, most self-actualized, independent, creative, and balanced adults. Do this foremost: Be clear and healthy yourself (physically and psychologically), give them confidence of your presence and connection, and then do your parenting job the way you have to.

They have important traits that stand against this: The exactly angular Pluto plus the Saturn aspects means that - like all children, and MORE than most children - they will need periods of solitude and (increasingly as they mature) occasions to break away, disobey, and find or create their own ways. I suggest you read whatever books parents are reading theses days that talk about childhood development with an eye to balancing these legitimate and inescapable independence spurts with continued closeness.

Two things stand out as perhaps warranting extra attention. First, they are double Rims. I always wince when I see this: This is a type noted for getting into trouble with themselves and the world more than any other. Not necessarily bad trouble (and a bit of trouble is good for all of us). The strength and weakness of Rims is that they move faster than anyone else - getting things done, pushing, zipping - almost always at the cost of skimming the surface. (The Rim of the wheel is the outermost - they are most attuned to shallower things, in contrast to Hubs who are most marked by depth.) Encourage depth as well (they'll take as much of it as they can).

And, of course, there is the Mars-Neptune square. This can be a marvelous aspect, yet not always thought so by the people around them. They'll have wonderful psychological power, so there's the question of their ethics, how they'll use it. A lot of Mars-Neptune themes deal with gratification issues, needing satisfaction of their fantasies at once, etc. (It's basically a dopamine-reinforcement pattern.) I don't have concrete advice other than to learn everything you can about Mars-Neptune, don't fear it (in fact, come to see the spectacular things that will make you proud of them), and keep an eye on the most immature sides that occasionally forget that there are other people in the world.

[SteveS]

Freya wrote:

Steve, I have the Ebertin’s book snd I would be grateful if we could go through the relevant sections together please.

Freya, I am leaving on a 10 day road trip this morning after my new benefic SLR sets-up. When I get back I will post what I think could become very important for your daughter’s life in a most benefic manner. If it unfolds as the truth which you the mother will see and understand, it could be a greater part of pure joy for your life guiding them as a mother.

[Freya]

Thank you Steve I am really looking forward to that. Enjoy your trip away!

[SteveS]

Freya wrote:

Thank you Steve I am really looking forward to that. Enjoy your trip away!

Hi Freya, back from my trip with much social enjoyment .

I would like to bring to your attention some teachings from the German School of Astrology (Cosmobiology) how your daughter’s Mercury-Venus conjunction is highlighted with their AS/MC, forming a direct midpoint with their Mercury. From Robert Hand’s book “Horoscope Symbols” he delineates Mercury-Venus tones as:

The ability to communicate love and affection. Aesthetic thoughts. The ability to be concretely creative as an artist. To use techniques to create beauty. Ability in crafts. Creative writing. Thinking influenced by considerations of beauty or harmony rather than strict logic.

Their AS/MC also forms a direct midpoint with their Sun/Venus midpoint, another very benefic configuration. A cosmobiologist would probably start their midpoint analysis for your daughter’s Natal with this AS/MC midpoint since it contains these somewhat rare and important benefic configurations. The German School of Cosmobiologist’s considered the AS/MC very important but only when holding other planetary configurations within an orb of 1,30. Your girls AS/MC is indeed configured most beneficially! Using the teachings of Sidereal Astrology the main planetary theme of their Natal’s is angular Jupiter which just so happens to receive a partile 120 from their Mercury, which beneficially reinforces their Mercury-Venus conjunction. It could be as a Mother you may be able to see/understand certain manifestations for their Mercury-Venus conjunction with supported specific ways as they mature into their immediate environments. Only you as a Mother will be able to judge if this Mercury-Venus conjunction will become an important destiny track for your girls.

Before I point out other important Natal factors for your girls with your book “Combination of Stellar Influences (COSI),” I need to make sure we will be on the same page. Is your edition of COSI the 2004 edition?

[Freya]

Yes that’s the edition I have Steve

Thank you for offering your insight on my girls’ chart, it’s precious to me

[SteveS]

Freya, let me know when you have absorbed page 306 with special attention to its footnote. Based on my life and experience (75 years) with the AS/MC, it has become the most important point/configuration in my entire Natal Chart. I strongly suspect it will be the same for your girls with Mercury-Venus.

[SteveS]

Freya, based on my life’s “characterization” with my personal Direct AS/MC, you should expect a very strong “characterization” for your girls with the tones of 1109 & 1110 on page 307 with your book, involving their personal AS/MC. But remember this is only part of your girls Natal Scopes taken as a whole.
When your girls reach between the age of 30-33 (Solar Arc MC directed to their Mercury-Venus) try to reassure em if needed that this will be when their “hopes & wishes” (11H) manifest in an important Venus-Mercury manner for their lives. It could turn out this timing Solar Arc will manifest the most important love or career issue for their life. Thank you so much for sharing your twin girls charts. It has been an interesting analysis for me.

Also their Sun is in the 11H forming a direct midpoint picture Sun/Venus = AS/MC with an allowable orb. IMO, this highly sensitizes their individual Sun-Venus objectives in life pertaining to “hopes & wishes”. Go to page 83 to pick up their Sun-Venus tones.

[Freya]

Thank you Steve this info is very precious to me

The twins are completely different, both in looks and in temperament, one is very docile and the other one is not. I sm curious how virtually the same chart unfolds in their lives.

I have two cousins who are fraternal twins like my girls; one cousin is married with two children and outgoing, the other one is a loner after having surgery that left half her face completely paralysed. I wonder whether certain planetary influences manifest in the chart of one and not the other

[SteveS]

The twins are completely different, both in looks and in temperament, one is very docile and the other one is not.

Don’t you just love this mystery?

I am curious how virtually the same chart unfolds in their lives.

Me too Freya! And then you have their solunars to contemplate as they mature? Maybe Jim knows of a Mother Siderealist who raised twins?

I have two cousins who are fraternal twins like my girls; one cousin is married with two children and outgoing, the other one is a loner after having surgery that left half her face completely paralyzed. I wonder whether certain planetary influences manifest in the chart of one and not the other.

Obviously something was responsible for this difference. Maybe different locations with different SSR’s later in life?