Vocational Questions tips...

[ODdOnLifeItself]

Re: "viewtopic.php?f=11&t=7743" How to request astro-vocational assistance

Since it was instructional/informative and not a topic for discussion, it was locked and I couldn't reply there.

I just wanted to say thanks. I answer a lot of vocation-related questions on various forums and I very often preface with the idea that "much depends on interests and opportunities." The idea of a little push-back to define what interests them and things that already have some pull for them personally; brings in the idea that in these circumstances, dialog can be ten times more effective than even the most acute monolog.

In addition to your list (and I understand why it's not on your list due to its connection with Houses and "distance" from Sidereal Astrology, but Noel's Moon position by House has been relatively reliable or at least very insightful.

1- Do your own thing position... actions need the right mood, and your moods are uniquely your own and only you know them, so you have to be free to apply yourself as you feel is right.
2- Connecting with things with inherent value (to stabilize shaky self-worth)
3- Communicator/informationalist
4- Work from home or work is set up as a 2nd home
5- Personal display of talents that draw attention
6- Personal identification with work, potential workaholic
7- Partnership modality or extreme public connection
8- Taking things that originate with others and adding value to said things
9- Needs to be the respected opinion, ie. the opinion that matters
10- Needs to head up the show
11- Friends get or are involved in the work, or job as answer to strong socialization needs
12- Behind the scenes support, coaching type roles

[Jim Eshelman]

I just wanted to say thanks. I answer a lot of vocation-related questions on various forums and I very often preface with the idea that "much depends on interests and opportunities." The idea of a little push-back to define what interests them and things that already have some pull for them personally; brings in the idea that in these circumstances, dialog can be ten times more effective than even the most acute monolog.

You're welcome, and thanks for the corroboration. At some point in life I realized that I was unnecessarily making this all more complicated by working in a vacuum. There are SO MANY possibilities - and people usually already have some thoughts about one or the other or the other other.

The risk, of course, is that someone wants to get an astrological answer because they're interested in the mystery and magic they associate with astrology to bring them some splendid answer that ordinary logic and clear thinking can't give them - and that I sound too much like a conventional vocational counsellor. And, indeed, we often can bring this clearer insight, but not from the "You have the asteroid Yahoo on your Midheaven" sort of route - but, rather, from starting with good facts and responding to the person's actual interests and preferences.

As I say in my chapter on vocation in the book that's in process: Everybody who comes to us has already had far more time to think about their life than we'll ever have. They have most of the answers already!

Noel's concise thoughts, as usual, are cogent and interesting.