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It's time we started watching these. I'm not going to interpret them like Biden's - I'm just going to post the technical breakdowns and then invite everyone to discuss them.

IMPORTANT CAVEAT: She's been very active on the campaign trail, so it's hard to keep track of where she is day-to-day. I'll post all of these presuming Washington, DC; but if I learn she was somewhere else at the exact moment of her SLR or Demi-SLR, I'll amend the post. (If you learn this before I do, please tell me where she was.)

Lunar returns are adaptable - the operate both for where they set up and where one goes after that during the month. Both will be operative, and she surely will be functioning from Washington during significant parts of the upcoming weeks. However, the location the chart originally occurs does seem to have an edge (perhaps as much as 50% greater strength).

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As a preliminary, here are a few other astrological factors worth noting:

Aug 6-9 - SQ Moon sq s/SQ Jupiter
Aug 29 - d Mercury oc r Neptune
Oct 12 - p Moon sx r Uranus
Oct 17 - p Moon oc r Saturn
Nov 19 - p Moon sx p Uranus

Nov 24 - p Uranus STATIONARY
Nov 30 - p Moon oc p Saturn
Dec 3 - p Moon sx r Pluto

Dec 6 - p Sun sx r Saturn
Dec 25 - p Moon sx p Pluto; p Moon oc p Venus
Jan 6 - p Moon tr r Neptune; p Moon sx p Jupiter
Jan 31 - p Moon sx r Venus


Sp Mon Sxt Na Ven Jan 31 2025 5:35p PST (X)
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Harris SLR Jul 27, 2024, 10:47:50 AM EDT, Washington, DC
t Neptune Dsc +1°07'

Possible aspect (PVP)
t Saturn-Neptune sq 0°19' p
t Neptune sq r Venus 0°31' p
t Saturn op r Venus 1°00' p

OTHER PARTILE ASPECTS
t Saturn op r Venus 0°04'
t Pluto sq r Mercury 0°04' M
t Jupiter sq r Pluto 0°21' M
t Jupiter sq r Uranus 0°30'
r Mars-Jupiter 0°45' M



Relocated to Chicago

r Pluto EP-a -2°51'
t Neptune Dsc -6°46'
t Saturn WP-a -0°25'
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r Venus EP-a +0°03'
t Jupiter MC +7°42'
r Uranus Asc +7°57'


t Saturn op r Venus 0°04'
t Jupiter sq r Uranus 0°15' M

r Uranus-Pluto co 2°12'
r Venus-Pluto co 2°27'
t Saturn op r Pluto 2°31'
t Jupiter sq r Pluto 2°33' M

Possible aspect (PVP)
t Neptune sq r Saturn 1°14'
r Saturn-Uranus sq 1°05'

I have to say that these charts look like she's not on the ticket at all despite her Moon-Jupiter progression in early August.
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Harris Demi-SLR Aug 10, 2024, 3:30:26 PM EDT, Washington, DC
t Jupiter Dsc -6°35'
t Neptune IC -5°59'
t Mars Dsc -5°04'

----------------------
r Pluto MC +2°25'
t Venus Z +1°20'
r Venus MC +6°17'
t Saturn IC +6°26'


t Saturn op r Venus 0°09'
t Jupiter sq r Pluto 0°13'
t Jupiter-Neptune sq 0°36' M
t Mars-Neptune sq 0°55' M

r Venus-Pluto co 2°27'
t Mars-Jupiter co 1°31' M
t Saturn op r Pluto 1°46'
t Jupiter-Saturn sq 1°59'
t Mars sq r Pluto 2°07'
t Jupiter sq r Venus 2°40'

OTHER PARTILE ASPECTS
t Moon sq r Sun 0°01' M [r Mo-Su op 0°09']
t Mars sq r Uranus 0°04'
t Pluto sq r Sun 0°08' M
t Moon-Pluto sq 0°09' M [t Pl sq r Mo 0°35']
t Uranus sq r Uranus 0°15' M
t Sun sq r Neptune 0°59'



Relocated to Chicago

r Pluto MC -8°31'
r Venus MC -6°34'
t Saturn IC -6°11'

r Saturn N -1°05'
t Mars WP -0°53'
r Uranus Dsc -1°05'
t Jupiter on WP-a -0°12'
----------------------
t Uranus Dsc +1°15'
t Jupiter Dsc +3°58'
t Venus MC +6°18'


t Mars sq r Uranus 0°04'
t Jupiter sq r Pluto 0°13'
t Saturn op r Venus 0°23'
t Mars-Jupiter co 1°25' M
t Saturn op r Pluto 1°46'
r Venus-Pluto co 1°57' M
t Jupiter sq r Uranus 1°58'
t Jupiter-Saturn sq 1°59'
t Mars sq r Pluto 2°07'
r Uranus-Pluto co 2°12'
t Uranus co r Jupiter 2°13'
t Uranus sq r Saturn 2°15'
t Uranus sq r Uranus 2°20' M
t Venus sq r Jupiter 2°20' M
t Jupiter sq r Venus 2°40'
t Saturn op r Uranus 3°57'

OTHER PARTILE ASPECTS
t Mercury op r Saturn 0°16' M
t Sun sq r Neptune 0°59'


This chart gives a very different perspective of matters in Chicago, and is the more immediate chart. To get a clearer view, it doesn't simplify much if we drop out the Class 3 angularities (just natal Pluto and its aspects), so I'll drop out the Class 2 angularities as well - to get a core impression. Remember, though, that this is probably too narrow a view of the chart, as Class 2 angularities always seem important. - This could be read as victory after battle with several upsets along the way.

r Saturn N -1°05'
t Mars WP -0°53'
r Uranus Dsc -1°05'
t Jupiter on WP-a -0°12'
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t Uranus Dsc +1°15'

t Mars sq r Uranus 0°04'
t Mars-Jupiter 1°25' M
t Uranus co r Jupiter 2°13'
t Uranus sq r Saturn 2°15'
t Uranus sq r Uranus 2°20' M
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:49 pm As a preliminary, here are a few other astrological factors worth noting:
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Nov 24 - p Uranus STATIONARY
The station of a progressed planet is a factor per se? This is new for me. Not that I am very versed in progressions.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:59 pm I have to say that these charts look like she's not on the ticket at all despite her Moon-Jupiter progression in early August.
They do look pretty miserable - but I imagine she is facing a great deal of opposition to her leading the ticket, from everyone possible.
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In reading through these I wondered if maybe Momala will be granmomala in the near future. Some of the Lunars seem to speak of a surprise blessing in her family.
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Mike V wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 7:43 pm
Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:49 pm As a preliminary, here are a few other astrological factors worth noting:
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Nov 24 - p Uranus STATIONARY
The station of a progressed planet is a factor per se? This is new for me. Not that I am very versed in progressions.
Yes, indeed. Fiercely important. Not just to the day but cascading a year or to either side.
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 20, 2024 4:59 pm Harris SLR Jul 27, 2024, 10:47:50 AM EDT, Washington, DC
Please help me track where VP Harris is tomorrow (Saturday) 7/27 at 10:48 AM EDT (7:47 AM PDT) so we can know where her SLR sets up.
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She is supposed to be in Pittsfield, MA for a fundraiser at 130.
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alinda wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 3:57 pm She is supposed to be in Pittsfield, MA for a fundraiser at 130.
I wonder how early she'll leave?

That's substantially the same chart, Neptune being the main angularity.
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According to this she will arrive at 1230.
https://www.iberkshires.com/story/76163 ... urday.html
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alinda wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:03 am According to this she will arrive at 1230.
https://www.iberkshires.com/story/76163 ... urday.html
Thanks! The flying time to Westfield-Barnes from Washington is almost exactly an hour and a half, suggesting an 11:00 AM take-off. This is less than a quarter of an hour after the SLR, but all the commotion of getting to the plane etc. would still be occurring in Washington. I think we can take Washington as the location for the SLR (and know that even if she's in the air, it will be nearby).
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Harris SLR Jul 27, 2024, 10:47:50 AM EDT, Washington, DC
t Neptune Dsc +1°07'

Possible aspect (PVP)
t Saturn-Neptune sq 0°19' p
t Neptune sq r Venus 0°31' p
t Saturn op r Venus 1°00' p

OTHER PARTILE ASPECTS
t Saturn op r Venus 0°04'
t Pluto sq r Mercury 0°04' M
t Jupiter sq r Pluto 0°21' M
t Jupiter sq r Uranus 0°30'
r Mars-Jupiter 0°45' M
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Jim Eshelman wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 8:51 am
alinda wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 7:03 am According to this she will arrive at 1230.
https://www.iberkshires.com/story/76163 ... urday.html
Thanks! The flying time to Westfield-Barnes from Washington is almost exactly an hour and a half, suggesting an 11:00 AM take-off. This is less than a quarter of an hour after the SLR, but all the commotion of getting to the plane etc. would still be occurring in Washington. I think we can take Washington as the location for the SLR (and know that even if she's in the air, it will be nearby).
Yep. According to flight radar af2 left camp springs at 1159 and is currently en route. Looks like she is runnning behind.
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8/10 Demi-SLR

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Please help me track where Kamala Harris will be tomorrow, Saturday August 10, at 3:30 PM EDT. (I found a lot... if you learn something that contradicts what I've found, let me know.)

They are in Glendale, Arizona for a rally (Friday) and are generally on a several day "swing state tour."

LATER: Just found she is in Las Vegas tomorrow. I don't know when she's arriving but it's a good guess she'll be there for the Demi-SLR. Flight restrictions over Vegas begin at 7:30 PM tonight and continue until 6:45 PM Saturday with a separate statement that "Harris is scheduled to land at the airport Friday evening." Therefore, I doubt she'll be there for the 3:30 PM demi. I'll calculate it or Phoenix.

Demi-SLR
August 10, 2024, 12:30:26 PM MST, Phoenix, AZ

r Jupiter WP-a -2°30'
r Mars MC -4°45'
t Sun MC -0°48'
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r Neptune EP +0°12'


r Mars-Neptune 0°10' M
t Sun sq r Neptune 0°59'

r Mars-Jupiter sq 2°43'
t Sun co r Mars 3°29'
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It is confusing, but looks to me like she is spending the night in Vegas tonight and plans a rally at an undisclosed location in Vegas tomorrow afternoon. I'd then think it would be likely for her to be in Vegas at 12:30 MST.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/tra ... c-3120718/
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[I just posted this online about this Demi-SLR.]

Vice President Harris is in Phoenix today and scheduled to speak in Las Vegas tomorrow. Air traffic is restricted from 7:30 PM tonight to 6:45 PM tomorrow. One report says she is scheduled to land in Las Vegas "Friday evening" (obviously before 6:45 PM) so it appears she will not have left Phoenix when her demi-lunar sets up at 12:30 PM. The chart below presumes a Phoenix location.

Look at that Sun within 1° of MC! The first conclusion, then, is that she continues to shine, standing in the spotlight and exuding leadership.

But also in the foreground are natal Mars and Neptune. Sun aspects them both - especially the partile square to her Neptune. This has good and bad characteristics. Although fireball passion are still hers to wield (and her 'campaign like a winner' natal Mars-Jupiter square is also strong), this highlighting of two natal malefics doesn't usually bring out one's best side. I think this two-week period, especially the time in Las Vegas, is important to see how she will conduct herself in the campaign: If she doesn't fumble with some toxic or clumsy, unthinking remark in Vegas, she probably won't do that the rest of the campaign. Here we get to see how much grace and discipline she has when this much adulation is poured on her. Her exact Moon-Sun opposition (especially in those signs) does risk a bit of narcissism. Will it peak or leak out? Or will that shining culminating Sun be all we see?

Natal Neptune strong also is consistent with the very sort of crowd madness we have already been seeing. I think Kamalamania will be continuing all the way through the pre-convention and convention weeks.

The chart will change as she moves about the country; but, with that, she also keeps the chart exactly the way it first sets up in Phoenix for the full two weeks.

Relocating the chart to Chicago, where she will be in the last days of this demi-lunar, transiting Jupiter is 0°12' from Westpoint with other close angularities of both natal and transiting Uranus. These suggest exactly the sort of elevation we might expect from the convention even without astrology to help us. But the chart isn't perfect. Transiting Mars and two Saturns are also angular (butnot as close as the two Jupiters and two Uranuses; and there are also two Venuses foreground, though widely). Saturn's persistent transit opposite her Venus is also strong (and only 0°23' wide) so we may get a close look at exactly what the persistent emotional loss and sacrifice aspect - prominent all the way to the election - actually means to her. Mars conjoins her Uranus within 0°04'. But most of the 16 foreground close aspects, like most of the angularities, are positive. She'll have the convention she wants, though it won't be calm and well-behaved.
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alinda wrote: Fri Aug 09, 2024 10:40 am It is confusing, but looks to me like she is spending the night in Vegas tonight and plans a rally at an undisclosed location in Vegas tomorrow afternoon. I'd then think it would be likely for her to be in Vegas at 12:30 MST.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/tra ... c-3120718/
Interesting. This contradicts the other article I found that said she was flying tomorrow "evening." - The charts aren't too different in the two locations, though the Phoenix one is sharper, more acute. (The same aspects dominate but less sharply.)

Here is the Vegas breakdown:

r Mars on MC -7°59'
t Sun on MC -3°59'
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r Mercury on Asc +6°37'
r Neptune EP-a +1°32'

t Moon on Asc +9°54'

r Mars-Neptune sq 0°06' M
t Sun sq r Neptune 0°59'

t Moon co r Mercury 3°17' M
t Sun co r Mars 3°29'


Stripping out the Class 3 angularities simplifies it considerably and tips the basic message to less toxic:

t Sun on MC -3°59'
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r Mercury on Asc +6°37'
r Neptune EP-a +1°32'


t Sun sq r Neptune 0°59'[/b]
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Harris' next lunar occurs Friday, August 23, 2024, at 5:30 PM EDT. Can you help me identify where she will be at that time? (All the news I can find is focused on her speech tonight.)

BTW, as evidence of how lunar returns adjust to location while retaining their original setup pattern, her Demi-SLR occurred in Vegas with Sun on MC IIRC, and here is the same chart for Chicago - where she'll accept the nomination tonight:

r Pluto MC -8°31'
t Saturn IC -6°41'
r Venus MC -6°34'
r Saturn N -1°05'

t Mars WP -0°43'
r Uranus MC -1°05'
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t Jupiter WP-a +0°12'
t Uranus Dsc +1°15'
r Jupiter MC +3°58'
t Venus MC +6°18'
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According to this, she will return to DC after the convention:

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/elect ... 40822.html
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That makes a great deal of sense. I originally suspected that - but her new SLR is as boring as can be so I thought she might land elsewhere.

OK, DC it is! Thanks.
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Kamala Harris SLR August 23, 2024, 5:29:57 PM EDT, Washington, DC
No planets are foreground neither transiting nor natal).

Transiting Jupiter (0°56' from 6th cusp) is deeply background, withholding blessings or elevation.

It's as boring an SLR as one could imagine - no sense at all of powerful momentum coming out of the convention.

Non-foreground partile aspects:
t Saturn co r Venus 0°04' M
t Sun op r Saturn 0°19' M
t Venus-Mars co 0°27'
t Jupiter sq r Venus 0°43'
t Mercury co r Mars 0°50'
t Jupiter-Saturn sq 0°50'
t Saturn op r Pluto 0°53'
t Pluto sq r Neptune 0°59'
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There is an additional flight restriction in Chicago until tomorrow evening. Theoretically it could be her staying until later in the day.
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If still in Chicago, the chart looks radically different:
r Mercury MC -4°28'
t Pluto EP -0°34'
r Moon IC -0°43'
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r Sun MC +1°28'

r Moon-Sun op 0°09'
t Pluto sq r Sun 1°31'
t Pluto sq r Moon 1°40'
t Pluto sq r Mercury 2°08'
r Sun-Mercury co 3°39'
r Moon-Mercury op 3°45' M
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alinda wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 12:56 pm There is an additional flight restriction in Chicago until tomorrow evening. Theoretically it could be her staying until later in the day.
Alinda, I should have asked: How long do the Chicago restrictions last tomorrow? (Thanks.)
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There looks like three security zones expiring tomorrow. The first expires 1430 CDT, the second at 1500 CDT, and the third at 1600 CDT.

There is also one in Santa Barabara through the 25th, so I really thought she might go home for a bit, but apparently the White House says she is going back to DC.
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Looks like she's for sure gone from Chicago before 4:30 pm CDT.
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My OCD got the better of me and I delved into this a bit. According to some people that supposedly work at O'Hare, Marine 1 is taking her from hotel to airport 1500 and is scheduled to depart 1530. If that is accurate and she departs precisely on time heading to DC she will be about halfway to Washington when her SLR becomes valid?
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alinda wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 9:11 am My OCD got the better of me and I delved into this a bit. According to some people that supposedly work at O'Hare, Marine 1 is taking her from hotel to airport 1500 and is scheduled to depart 1530. If that is accurate and she departs precisely on time heading to DC she will be about halfway to Washington when her SLR becomes valid?
Thank you greatly and, God, can't they make this easy? LOL

Confirming: Typical flying time Chicago to DC I find at 1:55. If they take off at 3:30 PM exactly (that's CDT, right?), they land just before 5:30 CDT = 6:30 EDT.

Working crudely, Chicago is 41N51 87W39, Washington is 38N53 77W02. Ignoring mathematical realties of the geometry of the surface of a sphere, the midpoint of these numbers is 40N02 83W20. That's approximately Columbus, OH (39N58 83W00). While and SLR for Columbus isn't all that exciting, it's at least readable with natal Mercury and transiting Pluto most angular and Pluto's square to natal Moon, Sun, and Mercury at least somewhat foreground.
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Sounds reasonable. They do sometimes go up the coast a bit then west.

It should be pretty easy to find AF2 leaving O'hare and track the flight. I'll try to get her exact location if I can, though it's possible I will be on the road at the time.
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I was just given a copy of a Twitter feed similar to the president's public calendar that says the plane is scheduled to depart O'Hare at 3:30 PM CDT (as you said) and land at Andrews at 6:10 PM EDT, which is only a hundred-minute flight.

A radar tracking would be amazing, thanks :) Meanwhile, again working crudely, the plane is leaving at 20:30 Zulu and arriving at 22:10 Zulu, with the SLR at 21:30. That's 60% of the flight duration. Using the crude approximation approach I used above, with Chicago is 41N51 87W39 and Washington is 38N53 77W02, 60% change in each is 40N04 81W17 - halfway between Columbus and Pittsburgh, somewhere around Londonderry, OH. This is a little less interesting than Columbus and seems stressful without necessarily being bad.
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She is in the air now. Oddly, she is heading south east but the route says she is going to ENW, Kenosha.
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alinda wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:26 pm She is in the air now. Oddly, she is heading south east but the route says she is going to ENW, Kenosha.
Error? Minor effort at misdirection? (There are always safety issues with disclosing this information.)
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Either way she will surely be in dc. She is over VA now
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alinda wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:44 pm Either way she will surely be in dc. She is over VA now
Wow. That's fast. Currently 4:45 PM EDT, the return is in 45 minutes and they seem to be going very fast.
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I assume she's landed? (The SLR was 10 minutes ago.)
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I’m sorry… been stuck in traffic. It looks like they left early at 2:50. I checked 15 minutes before her SLR and they had already landed.
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Thanks. Awesome.

In moderate traffic, the drive from Andrews to the White House or Naval Observatory is about 45 minutes. They were probably in heavier traffic (but maybe with traffic advantages).

Andrews is 38N49 76W52 vs. the Naval Observatory 38N55 77W04, so we can reasonably use Washington, DC for the location.
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Re: SLR 8/23/24

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Kamala Harris SLR August 23, 2024, 5:29:57 PM EDT, Washington, DC

For Washington, no planets are foreground neither transiting nor natal. Transiting Jupiter (0°56' from 6th cusp) is deeply background, withholding blessings or elevation. It's as boring an SLR as one could imagine - no sense at all of powerful momentum coming out of the convention.

Non-foreground partile aspects:
t Saturn co r Venus 0°04' M
t Sun op r Saturn 0°19' M
t Venus-Mars co 0°27'
t Jupiter sq r Venus 0°43'
t Mercury co r Mars 0°50'
t Jupiter-Saturn sq 0°50'
t Saturn op r Pluto 0°53'
t Pluto sq r Neptune 0°59'


She landed Joint Base Andrews in Maryland (38N48'39" 76W52'01") not long before the SLR occurred. We can expect that she was part way from one to the other. The chart is indistinguishable in any practical way. (Jupiter is 0°40' from a cadent cusp.)
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Re: Vice President Harris' Lunar Returns

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I don't know when she landed but I'd say the last time I looked, 45 minutes before her SLR, I'd guess she was less than 30 minutes away. idk how fast they move but I'd assume it would take a few minutes to deplane etc.
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Re: Vice President Harris' Lunar Returns

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It's almost that time again: Vice President Harris' Demi-Lunar will occur Friday evening, September 6, 10:13 PM EDT. Where will she be? (She might be hiding out for debate prep.)

Your help is appreciated.

PS - We do know that the September 10 debate is in Philadelphia. For that city, her upcoming demi-lunar shines:

t Uranus Asc -2°13'
r Jupiter Asc -1°38'
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r Mercury WP +0°31'
r Neptune Dsc +2°08'
t Pluto MC +4°37'
r Mars N +1°54'


t Uranus co r Jupiter 0°35' M
t Pluto sq r Mercury 2°23'
t Pluto sq r Neptune 2°29' M
r Mars-Jupiter sq 2°43'
r Jupiter-Neptune op 3°46' M
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According to the Washington Post, VP Harris is heading to Pittsburgh to spend the next several days prepping for the debate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... ris-trump/
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Lyse wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:02 am According to the Washington Post, VP Harris is heading to Pittsburgh to spend the next several days prepping for the debate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... ris-trump/
Oh, that's fantastic! (I hit the pay wall but I'll take your word for it.)
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Demi-SLR 9/6/24

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September 6, 10:13:15 PM EDT, Pittsburgh, PA
(In case I haven't said, I'm routinely using a time one minute before the birth certificate time. These numbers will be slightly different from the ones above.)
This is a fantastic return! It shows a clear positive turning point in her strong standing and has several marks of success and life turning-point. (Natal Neptune rising might just be hitters, might be ispiration, or might be a little bit of tripping over herself - but that seems not to matter in the end.)

t Uranus Asc -6°00'
t Pluto MC -5°57'
r Jupiter Asc -5°25'

r Neptune Dsc -1°36'
r Sun WP -0°46'
r Moon EP -0°36'
[t Moon WP]
r Mercury WP-a -0°14'

t Uranus-Pluto sq 0°03' M
r Moon-Sun op 0°10'
t Pluto sq r Jupiter 0°32' M
t Uranus co r Jupiter 0°35' M

t Pluto sq r Sun 1°16'
t Pluto sq r Moon 1°26'
r Moon-Mercury co 1°38' M
r Sun-Mercury op 2°03' M

t Pluto sq r Mercury 2°23'
r Jupiter-Neptune op 3°49' M

OTHER PARTIULE ASPECTS
t Mercury-Uranus sq 0°06'
t Sun co r Uranus 0°10' M
t Saturn op r Pluto 0°11'
t Venus co r Pluto 0°31' M
t Mars sq r Mars 0°35' M
t Saturn op r Venus 0°32' M
t Jupiter sq r Venus 0°57'
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Here’s the Washington Post article, Jim.

https://ibb.co/fSjgmz4
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Lyse wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:21 am Here’s the Washington Post article, Jim.
https://ibb.co/fSjgmz4
Thanks. I see (oops!) I did this for Philadelphia since that's where I thought the debate will be. I'll fix the Demi for Pittsburgh.

CNN also just reported that Harris was in New Hampshire yesterday "before heading off to debate camp in Pittsburgh."
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Re: Demi-SLR 9/6/24

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[I just posted this on a Facebook page devoted to mundane astrologhy.]

Kamala Harris Sidereal Demi-Lunar Return (Demi-SLR) Sep 6, 2024, 10:14 PM, Pittsburgh, PA [effective Sep 5-20]

Vice President Harris' demi-lunar occurs tonight. She is already ensconced in Pittsburgh for several days of debate training ahead of Tuesday's debate with Mr. Trump.

It has been impressive to watch how, since Harris has been an active candidate for president she has managed to be at an exact spot (all but one time) where natal or transiting Sun is closely angular for her lunars and demi-lunars. Though the lunar picks up additional angles (just like a natal chart) as one moves about Earth's surface, it also retains the strong impression of where it first occurs.

In this case, notice that the Pittsburgh MC 2°43' Capricorn exactly squares her powerful natal Moon-Sun opposition. This also highlights Pluto's square to them, which (rather than be good or bad per se) is always fundamentally life changing. (There's a lot of change going on for everybody this election season!)

More dramatic - but less obvious in the ecliptical version of the chart below - is a stunningly positive and exact Uranus-Pluto to natal Jupiter. To spell this out minutely, transiting Pluto is 5°57' before Midheaven (measured along the prime vertical, i.e., in the mundoscope), transiting Uranus is 6°00' before Ascendant, and natal Jupiter is 5°25' before Ascendant. This gives a 0°03' Uranus-Pluto square mundanely, with Uranus conjunct natal Jupiter 0°35' and Pluto square natal Jupiter 0°32' (all mundanely, of course). Most neutrally this means that something dramatically disrupts, alters, and totally rewrites her standing in the world, though, nearly always, these aspects work positively. Given the extreme highlighting of her natal Sun-Moon, it surely means an extreme enhancement of dignity and status (and probably drawing in record breaking donations).

The only negative in the chart is natal Neptune 1°36' above Descendant. This might just be understandable nervousness. It might be (but rarely is) being unusually inspiring. I suspect it means that, sure, she trips over herself a bit, maybe second-guesses herself. But the enormously positive, uplifting tone of the chart as a whole suggests that this is not a serious problem.

When she relocates to Philadelphia Tuesday the chart is much the same - just a change in the proportion of emphasis. The main thing is that the Uranus transit to her Jupiter is now 2° from the angle instead of 6°. Her luminaries are not emphasized (but, remember, the original location still holds through the month). Natal Mercury is the most angular planet, 0°14' from square MC and squared by Pluto - quite a nice focus for a debate.
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I really am looking forward to watching this debate. I am hoping my daughter (a Libra Aries herself) will be able to watch too. I really wish in these debates that it would be spelled out for us who the candidate would be appointing to their cabinet. I think that is very important information and it would have helped me make more informed decisions in past elections. I feel that the President is the executive of a team, and without knowing the other team members its difficult to weigh in on how successful their ideas presented as their platform will fair.
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Veronica wrote: Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:16 am I really wish in these debates that it would be spelled out for us who the candidate would be appointing to their cabinet.
Though the candidates may have some idea about some of these in advance (I'm sure most candidates know at least a few of the people they want, when possible), those decisions are usually made after the election. Though the president-elect has the final word, pulling together a cabinet is a primary job of the transition team which, among other things, has to interview (and otherwise vet) all the possible candidates - as well as arrange for the hiring of large numbers of under-secretaries and the like.

But the main reason we don't know is surely political. You and many others are curious enough that perhaps it would affect your vote. (If not, then it isn't relevant at this point.) And the candidates don't want that many diverse things that could affect your vote. It's a big enough job getting you to like them - just two of them, a P and VP - but to have to control impressions and market another dozen people to you is a pretty formidable thing.
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