Forecasting the 2024 Presidential Election Outcome

[Jim Eshelman]

I don't like to predict the outcome of a competition until I know who is playing. The year began with the assumption that its presidential contest would be between President Joe Biden and Donald Trump. It was absolutely clear that President Biden would not win: His Sidereal Solar Return for the current year is devastating (summarized as Saturn and two Neptunes) and his next one (November 2024) is even worse. As my colleague Kenneth Bowser summarized in his excellent long analysis at the end of 2023 (I paraphrase), Trump's charts for the election aren't great but Biden's are terrible. In a contest between "not great" and "terrible," not great wins!

Though I have offered opinions on one chart or another of the involved parties as the year has gone on, I've made a point of making no forecast about the elections until both slates of candidates were nominated. I thought something critical would happen in the spring - that surely we'd see new circumstances by May. Instead, it took one month more - June - before pivotal events changed the players. (I think specific developments in Pres. Biden's health occurred throughout the spring - my forecasts for him during that time hinted or outright said this - but, if so, the truth isn't public yet. I can't confirm my suspicion.)

We have full birth data on both presidential nominees and one vice presidential nominee. I'll run with what we have.

The approach will be as follows:

1. Look at each presidential contender's longer-term factors that isolate longer waves in life - solar arc directions, secondary progressions, and major transits - for Election Day and Inauguration Day.
2. Repeat the process using the significantly more powerful Sidereal solar and lunar returns which, however, are always of limited use in such contests because they depend on where the person is located on Earth. (We know this for the inauguration, but we have to guess for the election.)
3. Draw initial conclusions.
4. Check a barrage of other (supplemental) return charts and quotidians to see if, en masse, they alter the initial conclusion.
5. Check the VP candidates' charts in a similar, but brisker, way to see if there is useful information.
6. Check solar and lunar ingresses to see what more general influences are for the nation as a whole. - Supplement with any other strong mundane indicators for the nation as a whole.
7. Draw final conclusions.

For the election (which occurs November 5, 2024), I'll use November 6, 2024, 0:00 (midnight) EST, an hour after polls close on the West Coast. For the inauguration, we know the exact time and place: January 20, 2025, 12:00 PM EST, Capitol Building, Washington, DC.

[Jim Eshelman]

According to his birth certificate, Donald Trump was born June 14 1946, 10:54 AM EDT, Jamaica, NY. For Election Day, he has the following solar arc directions in partile orb (sorted by orb):

d Sun oc r Saturn -51'
d Pluto sq r Venus -39'
d MC co r Pluto -38'
d Neptune sq r Moon -19'
d Saturn sq r Mercury 0°00'
t Uranus oc r Jupiter +29'
d Venus sq r Mercury +55'
d Mercury sq r Sun +59'

The tactic is to first focus on contacts (especially by major hard aspect: 0, 90, 180) that involve luminaries or angles. These often identify significant turning-point stages in life. Other partile hard aspects supplement these. In the present case, aside from a minor Sun-Saturn aspect, this leaves the gigantically important directed MC conjunct natal Pluto and Neptune square natal Moon.

MC to Pluto can go either way: It means something epic, stunning, and decisive, a life-altering two-year period that is well underway and still building. This could be either a miraculous uplifting or a devastating dethroning. (It could, of course, mean death: anything terminal, the complete end of one road or phase and commencement of another.)

Neptune to Moon is primarily negative. It shows him more deceived than deceiving. It suggests increasing frailty, emotional lability, and mental confusion, responding more powerfully to every psychological impact as if everything that happens to him finds his most vulnerable place.

Ignoring the last two aspects above as nearly expired, the only positive aspect is directed Uranus' octile natal Jupiter. Like all solar arcs, this approaches for about a year and withdraws for about a year. It peaked last May. I suspect it refers to his advantageous maneuvering in legal matters and his easy, early securing of the Republican nomination.

Besides this one aspect (and the powerful but ambiguous MC-Pluto), all the other aspects above are demoralizing and hurtful. Then, EXACTLY AT ELECTION DAY, directed Saturn is 0°00' from square to natal Mercury. This is about as bad an aspect for an election - for counting votes - as can be. It also is consistent (especially in someone of advanced age) with significant mental deterioration or cognitive failure. Nonetheless, the main point of this thread being the election, Saturn-Mercury joins the other strong collection of LOSING aspects.

If we were to go ONLY on the testimony of solar arc directions, Donald Trump is an unequivocal loser in early November 2024.

By inauguration day, Neptune-Moon is within 7' and is still joined by Sun-Saturn, Pluto-Venus, MC-Pluto (applying by 25'), and Saturn-Mercury. This is a losing pattern.


SWITCHING TO SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS, partile aspects for election day include:

p Sun oc r Saturn -51'
p Venus sq r Saturn +18'
p Mercury sq r MC +39'

[Other aspects that exist for years or decades probably don't refer to this time more than any other recent time. They include: p Uranus op r Moon +17'; p Jupiter sq r Venus -26']

Venus-Saturn and Sun-Saturn are negative. Though Venus-Saturn COULD signify voluntarily taking on service as sacrifice, this doesn't seem to match Trump's character. In most cases, it shows loss and unhappiness on deeply personal matters. (Mercury to MC is neutral.)

If we were to go ONLY on the testimony of secondary progressions, Donald Trump appears unhappy and experiencing loss (especially loss of popularity and pleasure) this year.

One other progression is more important than any of these. On Election Day, progressed Moon squares natal Pluto (0°32' ap.). It will be exact about two weeks later. Furthermore, on Inauguration Day progressed Moon conjoins progressed Pluto (11' applying). January 20, therefore, is at the heart of an extremely important time for him: Even if he has lost, he hasn't whimpered off. Something of great drama for him (with heavy psychological impact) happens about that time. Since this progressed Moon-Pluto is joined by progressed Sun to natal Saturn (same as the solar arc Sun) and Venus square natal Saturn (but not yet a partile aspect of progressed Sun-Venus), it appears Moon-Pluto means something terminal, final, ending, downfall. It does not look good for him.

The two Moon-Pluto aspects climaxing around Election Day and Inauguration Day could be a sharp one-two punch terminating his career. However, it could be other high-impact events. In any case, we can't use the Moon-Pluto aspects to make a win-lose binary decision on the election's outcome.


SWITCHING TO TRANSITS, the one that has rightfully gotten the most attention this year is transiting Uranus conjunct Trump's natal Midheaven. Transiting Uranus crossing natal MC is a once-in-a-lifetime event that triggers events connected to his personal elevation and stature (among other things). Uranus transits to angles show times of substantial change, liberation, and renewal. Though often destabilizing existing conditions, it usually leans toward the positive. Nonetheless, for the current question it can go either way: In predicting a sports contest between approximately equal teams, Uranus' prominence signifies surprise turnovers: Outcomes often depend on expectations because expectations get flipped on their head at the final horn. This transit can be either an enormous win granting him freedom, renewal, and attainment or a toppling from his high pedestal.

For the present question - the election - we should take it as a neutral factor that perhaps leans slightly toward the positive for him (as an unafflicted benefic).

Transiting Saturn is octile natal Venus - important because it reiterates the other Venus-Saturn patterns operating.

Jupiter might work to his advantage: It is just outside partile conjunction with his Uranus and getting closer. When exact on November 16, it may be a positive aspect for a surprise win. (To judge its importance, we need help from his lunar returns.)

For the very short run, transiting Venus crosses his luminaries on three days centered on Election Day. This will definitely give him a boost in popularity and have him feeling good on those days. While this brief aspect may not decide the election, it definitely is helpful to him exactly on that day and suggests he goes to bed optimistic that night.

Bottom line: Transits lean positive, particularly for feeling good on Election Day itself. The transits are not as positive as the directions and progressions are negative. Transits need relevant return charts to clarify their operation. Nonetheless, from transits (taken alone) he has optimistic indications.


Transits for Inauguration Day: Trump has one positive (even if flitting) contact: At the moment the new president will take the oath of office, transiting Moon and Mercury will be 0°16' from exact square. It is the most important aspect of the day except for the partile Sun-Pluto conjunction. Moon-Mercury falls exactly on Trump's natal Jupiter, an excellent aspect for taking an oath of high office.

Against this, transiting Mars will be in the exact degree of his Saturn. It has been suggested that, whether Trump wins or loses the election, on Inauguration Day (or some other point in January) he may incite violence as he has in the past. It isn't clear whether this Mars conjunction with natal Saturn means pain for him or pain caused by him. If he wins, he has said (perhaps jokingly?) that he will assume dictatorial powers for "just the first day," and that's one possible outcome of this transit. Most often, though, it shows that debts are called due and skeletons dragged out of closets: one's past catches up.


SUMMARIZING ALL OF THIS, directions and progressions decisively show a devastating loss. Transits paint a more positive picture (though not as positive as the other indications are negative). He is prone this year to tumultuous, dramatic, overthrowing events, and on balance it looks like he's the one overthrown. The clearest indications are the drama, though it does seem to show him losing.

Before we can finally assess this, though, we need to look at the same factors for his opponent, Kamala Harris.

[Jim Eshelman]

According to her birth certificate, Kamala Harris was born October 20, 1964, 9:28 PM PDT, in Oakland, CA. Some factors have suggested that her birth time might have been a minute or two earlier; other factors make it look precisely right. I will assume the birth certificate time is right, but keep in mind the possibility that the time should be one to two minutes earlier.

HER SOLAR ARC DIRECTIONS don't have much to say. In contrast to her inauguration as vice president (when her natal 10' Sun-Moon opposition directed exactly to the horizon), there seem to be no luminary or angle solar arcs centered on the election and inauguration. We do see the telling aspect of directed Saturn having LEFT contact with her Sun and Moon this summer - just as she broke free of constraints. Her blocked, narrowed, Saturn years just fell behind her. Also, consider one other aspect that depends entirely on the precision of her birth time: For Election Day, directed Ascendant is 0°59' separated from square natal Jupiter. It makes no sense that the last two years have been Jupiter years for her: She had little opportunity to shine or publicly elevate herself. However, if her birth time were two minutes earlier (as I suspect), directed Ascendant to natal Jupiter would be close for the election.

We can't rely on that, though. (The jury is instructed to ignore the answer.) The most we can say is that she has escaped two years of Saturn directions to her luminaries and the solar arcs are otherwise neutral. As Trump's directions are quite bad, hers (at neutral) are better.

By Inauguration Day, there are no solar arcs involving angles or luminaries (unless an earlier birth time has kept Ascendant-Jupiter in orb; I won't count that in the current article).


TURNING TO SECONDARY PROGRESSIONS, her year has been marked by progressed Venus square progressed Saturn, which, by Election Day, is separated by 0°52'. It hasn't been clear what this has meant this year, though it has not slowed her politically. Since I scored a progressed Venus-Saturn aspect as negative for Trump, I'll score it the same for Harris, though I suspect it is something more personal than professional, and perhaps refers to watching the gradual decline of her friend and mentor, Joe Biden. (Also, it is nearly expired by Election Day.)

From this one aspect, her progressions lean negative like Trump's, but not AS negative (he also has Sun-Saturn).

[Longer-term progressed aspects that likely do not apply to current events (more than other recent years) include: p Jupiter op r Neptune 3' and p Uranus co r Pluto 36'.]

By Inauguration Day, progressed Moon will have reached 23°11' Gemini, the location of that day's Moon-Mercury aspect. Her progressed Venus-Saturn square will be over - out of orb. With that change, her progressions become instantly better than Trump's.


TRANSITS FOR ELECTION DAY: There is a lot of Pluto going around this year: three kinds of Pluto to Moon for Biden, the Pluto directions mentioned for Trump, and Pluto moving back and forth across Harris' luminaries (though no longer in partile orb on Election Day). Pluto does octile her Uranus, though this only tells us that her life is significantly changing: Is it because she wins or because she has to find a new job?

Transiting Uranus conjoins her Jupiter (50' on Election Day). This is a solid WIN aspect. (It will become more important later in this discussion.)

Transiting Saturn will have been in orb of octile her luminaries. By Election Day it's 53' away from Sun and 43' away from Moon: Weakening but still in force. This weighs against her.

Jupiter makes no partile aspects on Election Day but is within 1° of square her Venus beginning November 8 (exact November 17 - coincidentally when it touches Trump's Uranus since they have a close Venus-Uranus interchange). In fact, November 17 looks like a day she gets some really happy news which, if she wins, would likely be the day ballot counting has clarified.

On balance, transits for Election Day lean against her somewhat, though they improve in the days following. Trump's Election Day transits were somewhat positive, so he has a slight advantage by transits.

BY INAUGURATION DAY, transits have shifted considerably beginning with Venus-Saturn-Pluto to her natal Mercury-Pluto:

t Saturn op r Pluto 2'
t Pluto oc r Pluto 15'
t Pluto sq r Mercury 37'
(t Saturn oc r Mercury 63')

Interestingly, the Moon-Mercury square for the oath taking has its midpoint at 8°18' Hub, only 8' from her natal meridian.

These transiting aspects seem harsh. As with Trump's Mars transit to Saturn, it isn't entirely clear whether these harsh transits suggest severity for her or surrounding harsh circumstances at the time. Mercury-Pluto has a specific correlation to oath-taking (but is it here constrained?). The one essentially exact aspect, Saturn opposite her Pluto, generally means assuming great burdens and asserting autonomy, which are not at odds with the taking on of the presidency.

Both candidates have harsh transits for Inauguration Day AND connection to the most obvious oath-connected aspect of the day. Therefore, I wouldn't select a winner based on transits at the time of the inauguration.

[Jim Eshelman]

Donald Trump spent his 2024 birthday at Mar-A-Lago, 26N40'37", 80W02'13". Solar Returns lock in at the spot where they occur. In this case, our best estimate is that he will also spend Election Night in Mar-a-Lago, since that's where he has been living full time in the fall and winter months. Also, as a Florida resident, he will have voted in Florida.

Trump's solar return is mostly simple: Modest angularities of transiting Mars and natal Pluto bring into the foreground transiting Mars square natal Pluto (1°50' mundo). This aspect is common for criminal prosecution and being held accountable, so I'm a little surprised that the criminal actions against him have not moved forward more aggressively. In any case, Mars-Pluto is a harsh aspect in several ways (and not good for his health), though it is weakened by being barely in the foreground.

He also has a close Moon-Venus-Neptune T-square: Moon is 1°28' from square Venus on one side and 1°39' from opposite Neptune on the other, putting Moon 0°06' from their midpoint. The Moon-Venus probably has softened this year - gave him the sense for a while of having fun - while Moon-Neptune has stirred more brooding, dark emotion. (He's been pretty moody.)

This SSR is not conducive to winning. On the other hand, if he does win the election, this SSR is consistent with an aggressive power-grab.


HIS SIDEREAL LUNAR RETURN occurs election eve (November 4, 7:37 PM EST). Presuming he is at Mar-a-Lago, it is a spectacularly positive chart: Transiting Moon, Venus, and Jupiter and natal Uranus are all mutually configured close to the horizon (PVL in parentheses after so you can see both ecliptical and mundane aspects):

22°13' Tau - SLR Asc
27°13' Sco - r Moon (1°29')
23°24' Tau - r Uranus (1°31')
25°04' Tau - t Jupiter (3°05')
26°51' Sco - t Venus (3°08')
27°13' Sco - t Moon (4°40')
28°56' Tau - r Sun (6°21')

He's happy as can be! There's more to the chart (some Mercury), but nothing that affects the basic conclusion that this is a spectacularly positive chart.

I should mention that this changes if he isn't at Mar-a-Lago. If he's in New Jersey, his natal Sun-Moon is foreground but nothing else. If he's in Washington, he keeps some of the benefics but with much wider orbs (and Neptune the strongest planet). But he probably will be at Mar-a-Lago.


FOR THE INAUGURATION, he will be in Washington, DC if he's won. Even if his lunar returns occurred elsewhere, lunar returns adapt quickly to new locations so that the Washington version of the chart is what matters most. His most recent (and probably most important) lunar will have been the January 11 Demi-SLR, but we should look at the full lunar also.

There is a good chance his December 29 SLR will have occurred at Mar-a-Lago. If so, it's a psychologically complicated chart with strong emotional sweeps and threats of brooding violence, and yet Venus-Uranus are the most angular planets. Relocating to Washington the emphasis changes significantly: Transiting Mars is 0°05' from Descendant and Pluto 1°43' from Ascendant: A 1°38' Mars-Pluto stretches tightly across the horizon. Furthermore, natal Mars is 0°42' from square MC. It's a Mars-Mars-Pluto chart suggesting aggression (possibly violence) and power struggles if he comes to Washington during the four weeks of the chart's lifespan.

Of more immediate relevance to the inauguration, his Demi-SLR occurs January 11, 2025, 10:09 AM EST. At Mar-a-Lago it's a difficult chart, but in Washington it's worse: downright emotionally devastating. If he's in Washington in the two weeks following January 11, transiting Moon, Venus, Saturn, and Neptune will be foreground (Saturn 1°23', Moon 0°53', the others wider) plus natal Sun. The architecture is a Moon-Venus-Saturn configuration while transiting Neptune squares natal Sun.


SUMMARY: We are left with very confusing indications. Under an overall harsh year, Election Day nonetheless looks spectacularly happy for him - celebratory, and certainly winning (or at least feeling certain he won) - at least, if he spends Election Day in Florida as it seems certain he will. Yet by Inauguration Day, he has emotionally devastating indications and perhaps is involved in (enacting or being the victim of) explosive conflict (possibly violent). This pair of things seems unlikely (and might be altered if his locations alter). It would seem to suggest what looks like a certain win for him election night that becomes completely reversed before Inauguration Day. That, however, seems one of the least likely scenarios. (He does have a series of Neptune-themed lunars following the election, the most pivotal seeming to be the December 2 SLR with two Neptunes angular.)

[Jim Eshelman]

As with Trump, where Harris will be when specific charts set up or for specific events remains unclear. I have been able to confirm that in November 2022 she voted in Washington, not in California: The District is apparently her residence for voter registration purposes now that she is no longer a Senator. For Election Day, there is the question of where she will stay, since her campaign headquarters is still in Wilmington AFAIK. I will assume, though, that she will be in Washington, DC on Election Day.

The most important factor is where she will be the morning after her birthday. Solar Returns lock in wherever they occur and do not relocate. Her next SSR will occur October 21 - the day after her birthday - at 9:41 AM EDT. If she is in Washington for her birthday and doesn't leave (to return to the campaign trail) until after 9:41 AM, she has an extremely winning SSR. If she spends it elsewhere or leaves before 9:41 the next morning, the chart may look quite different. Unfortunately, we won't know her location until late October.

If she is in Washington, transiting Uranus (1°11' above Dsc) conjoins natal Jupiter (0°42' below Dsc) within 1°27'. That's a winning combination. Also, for wherever she is on Earth, SSR Moon conjoins transiting Jupiter within 3°39'.

There are other aspects - including more Venus-Saturn (which she has repeatedly this year) - though these planets are barely foreground. In Washington, the angular Uranus transit to Jupiter plus a Moon-Jupiter conjunction are the primary features.


WITH HER LUNAR RETURNS THIS PICTURE CHANGES. Her pre-election SLR occurs October 17 (Thursday afternoon) when odds are good she'll be on the road. When she returns to Washington, the main indication will be transiting Mercury and Pluto aspecting natal Mercury. This isn't indicative of the election outcome, and we don't yet know what influences she will bring from its original (unknown) location.

Her Demi-SLR occurs on Halloween morning (another Thursday). Again, we don't know where she'll be. However, she probably will come back to Washington for Election Day. Once here, the chart is mixed but leaning heavily to the negative: The most angular planets are transiting Neptune (IC 2°11') and Saturn (N 0°41'). This is as losing, unhappy a combination as Trump's corresponding lunar is winning. However, Harris' demi has a close Venus-Jupiter opposition moderately foreground. It's not a complete loss, but it looks like a loss. (I suggest she go to Milwaukee - a last pass through Wisconsin - being near there October 31, 9:27 AM CDT.)

Using Washington as the location, we can look at subsequent returns for the rest of the year (just as Trump's showed possibly changing conditions). Her November 14 SLR is mixed (natal Mars, Jupiter, and Neptune most angular). In the foreground, Sun aspects natal Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn, while Uranus conjoins her Jupiter. Nov 27 is mixed, leaning combative. Her December 11 SLR is positive in that the only angular planets are her natal Sun-Moon opposition. If anything changes, it occurs on or after December 11 (just after the states have to submit their certified election results and just before the Electoral College meets).


MOVING AHEAD TO THE INAUGURATION, the relevant SLR occurs January 7, 2:38 PM EST. The previous day, acting as President of the Senate, she will have overseen the opening and counting of Electoral College voting results. The chart remains mixed (which is better than Trump's miserable one). Transiting Jupiter is the most angular transiting planet (Asc 2°03') with Uranus 0°47' from EP, but we also have Saturn 0°55' from Zenith. Natal Mars (0°06') and Pluto (0°19') are most angular. Aspects are mixed. It's not a scintillating chart under which to become President 13 days later, but it's more good than bad.

Then her Demi-SLR occurs the morning after the inauguration (January 21, 8:17 AM). Natal Mars, Saturn, and Neptune are most angular, with her natal Mars-Saturn opposition (3°55' mundo) near the horizon. What does this mean? Did she win and she's busy dealing with a crisis, or did she lose, and this is what the morning after looks and feels like?


SUMMARY: If she is in Washington the morning after her birthday, her solar return is a winner! However, her Demi-SLR for Election Day looks like a loser, the January charts look mixed, she has a politically solid and somewhat positive lunar return January 7 and a seemingly dire demi the day after the inauguration. Her advantage is that Trump's chart for Inauguration Day is miserable and, in that sense, hers is better.

[Jim Eshelman]

It's not overwhelmingly clear that ANYBODY wins, but the most consistent narrative is that it looks to everyone like Trump has won on Election Night, that outcome changes later in November, Harris is inaugurated under reasonably positive astrological conditions in January, and there is a lot of conflict and danger in January.

Trump's directions and progressions are solidly loss-directed though with much drama and turmoil. Harris' progressions are bad around the election and that clears before inauguration. Transits are volatile and not a good gauge for distinguishing these two. Return charts hinge greatly on where Harris spends her birthday and have the seemingly absurd outcome that Trump is joyous on Election Night and miserable in January.

[Jim Eshelman]

I ran quite a few supplemental returns which added nothing of importance. Most of them were inconsequential or divided. A few repeated the tone or aspects of the major charts already examined. They aren't worth itemizing.

Regarding quotidians, Trump's SQ has transiting Saturn precisely on Ascendant on Inauguration Day in co-angular square with his Moon-Sun along the meridian. It's quite a lineup!

Harris' SNQ for the inauguration has a strange mix of three Venuses 2° off the angles - which is probably too far. Nothing is within 1°, though progressed Mars is nearly so. - Similarly, her SQ has transiting Jupiter somewhat more than 1° from IC. (If her birth time is indeed a minute or two earlier, then natal Venus on the SNQ and natal Jupiter on the SQ are within 1° of angles.)

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm not going to pretend we have a clue where the vice president nominees will be on Election Day, though we know where the winner will be Inauguration Day. We have a birth time for Vance and not for Walz.

According to his birth record, J.D. Vance was born August 2, 1984, 6:11 AM EDT, Middletown, Ohio. Vance's solar arcs for Election Day include:
d Uranus sq r Moon -58'
d Moon sq r Asc +29'
d Pluto sq r Mercury +46'

None is decisive. Those involving Moon show him getting a lot of attention - easily attracting an audience - and perhaps having something significant develop as much as a year later.

Secondary progressions are mixed. Primary MC is opposite natal and progressed Neptunes, which is adverse for him. Progressed Moon is exactly leaving square to natal Jupiter, suggesting he had a good run during the campaign and that particular stream has run dry.

Transits are more interesting. The Mars-Pluto opposition Election Day lands on Vance's Pluto (and has just missed other candidates' planets). That seems like he's a magnet for volatility. For the day, transiting Sun octiles his Neptune and Mercury aspects his Moon.

On Inauguration Day, transiting Uranus opposes natal Mars 12'. This is explosive (perhaps of temperament, perhaps of more). Sun squares his Pluto for the day (not necessarily significant). The day's Moon-Mercury square lands on his Moon.

His new SLR occurs January 20 at 2:59 PM EST, soon after the inauguration itself. This is a winning chart! Transiting Jupiter 0°07' from EP and natal Jupiter 1°21' from Descendant. Natal Neptune is similarly strong. He has the pro-winning Jupiter opposite his Uranus and the "how many times are we going to see this?" transiting Venus-Saturn conjunction partile and more widely foreground. From this, I'd say he will be inaugurated as SOMETHING that day - and with the amount of violence shown and the amount of mournful loss, it may just be that he's inaugurated as President. (Joking but not entirely: Or elected president of the new Confederacy!)


TIM WALZ was born April 6, 1964, in West Point, NE, time unknown. This limits us considerably. His only solar arc that we know for sure is Uranus opposite his Mercury. Similarly, secondary progressions bring only progressed Venus square natal Mars.

His transits are more interesting since transiting Pluto squares his Jupiter - quite close on Election Day. This often signals a dramatic elevation in esteem and rank (though it can also be a downfall if in a malefic context). Saturn is opposite his Pluto (as it is for Harris on Inauguration Day).

Moving to Inauguration Day, we don't see much without a birth time. The important Moon-Mercury square at noon is atop Walz' Sun. (It hits all four candidates.)

[Jim Eshelman]

The October 17 Libsolar is strongly Plutonian as it is almost every year, though this year the focus is quite different than in recent years. Here are its angularities and foreground aspects:

Mercury WP-a 0°30'
Moon EP 0°55'
Pluto MC 2°01'
Venus & Uranus more widely angular

Venus-Uranus op 1°12' M
Sun-Mercury sq 1°24' p
Moon-Sun op 1°40' M
Sun-Uranus sq 1°43' p
Sun-Pluto sq 2°15' p
Sun-Venus sq 2°23' p
Moon-Pluto sq 2°37'
Moon-Mercury op 3°46' M

Sun-Uranus and Sun-Pluto shows strong desire to eject a current president - who, however, isn't running. Does this mean the force will be to eject Harris with the package? Or to jetison the other one-time president who is also running? I don't know.

I do know that the Venus-Uranus opposition being so strong will make abortion a significant player. Also, at the time of the election, Uranus is in Taurus. By being in Taurus it also likely will put a strong focus on reproductive freedom. By being out of Aries, it likely deflates the Uranus in Aries attraction to an autocrat. Both of those speak positively of the Democrats' candidates.

For lunar ingresses, the October 31 Liblunar has Venus most angular with trailing Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune in that order: Two benefics and two malefics, the former being stronger. This seems like more happiness and comfort than the opposite, which are conditions that usually favor an incumbent.

This tone changes immediately after the election. A new Caplunar the morning of November 7 has Saturn 0°09' from Nadir and Neptune 2°55' from IC. Moon opposes Mars (2°00' M) and conjoins Pluto (2°13' M). This shows almost tragic dissatisfaction. With a foreground Mercury-Neptune square, we are likely confused, don't have all the facts, and have a risk of eruptive violence or its psychological equivalent. I don't like this at all.

The 2025 Capsolar (Year chart) has nothing happening except an angular Moon. Besides the normal meanings, by chance does this identify "the year of the woman" in Washington?

[Jim Eshelman]

This is difficult. The charts are confounding and all over the place. Here are the separate points that seem clearest so far:

1. Trump's directions and progressions are strongly loss-leaning. It is difficult to see how he could flourish in any way under some of these.
2. Trump's directions, progressions, and transits all point to major Pluto or Uranus conditions. For the election outcome, these are neutral or indecisive, though they show major dramatic events with extreme disruption, overthrowing circumstances, and redirection.
3. Both candidates' charts (plus the post-election Caplunar) suggest we won't know the outcome right away. In the ballot counting, November 16-17 keeps coming up as a pivotal date for both candidates.
4. Both candidates' charts suggest conflict and severe conditions right around the inauguration. Trump especially has indications either of personal harm or inciting violence. Harris shows burdens and struggles.
5. Harris' difficult progressions enduring through Election Day are resolved before Inauguration Day.
6. Trump's SSR is hurtful to him and against winning, though it may support him inciting violence. - Harris' SSR (if she's in Washington for it) is a solid winner.
7. Trump's SLR for Election Day is spectacular (if he's in Florida). It's a hands-down winner. At the very least, he believes totally that he won, and it may show him as the winner per se. -- Harris' Demi-SLR (if she's in Washington) seems loss-prone (though with one strong, bright, positive indicator).
8. Trump's SLR and Demi-SLR for Inauguration Day are miserable. (The former appears broodingly rageful and hurtful. The latter is merely miserable.) -- Harris' Inauguration SLR is divided but positive on balance. Her Demi-SLR the morning after the inauguration is malefic dominated as if suddenly caught up in terrible conditions.
9. Trump's SQ for Inauguration Day is a flat-out loser.
10. Vance's SLR Inauguration Day (if he's in Washington) is as strong a winning, elevation chart as one might imagine, though accompanied by signs of emotional loss.

[Jim Eshelman]

Sidereal lunar returns are my absolute favorite tools. For predicting elections, they have severe limitations because of the issue of geographic locations.

If I were to ignore SLRs altogether, I would summarize this way: As in sports forecasting, if we can pick a clear loser, we know which way the game will go. Trump's chart is a decisive loser by directions and progressions, he has a brutal SSR, he has Saturn exactly on Ascendant in the SQ on Inauguration Day. I would, under these conditions (everything but lunars and demi-lunars) say that if Harris is in Washington when her next SSR sets up, it's an easy win for her; if she isn't there, then it still leans her way more than not.

Except... I can't ignore lunar returns. They're too important. And, to make it worse, Trump's lunars for Election Day and Inauguration Day seem to give opposite answers (provided I've correctly assessed where he will be on Election Day). There is also the Inauguration Day SLR for Vance, which appears to be a winner.

I think there is a timeline that we don't know. There will be intervening events we don't know about. There are emotional losses showing for every person involved, which may be related to any number of factors such as the actual outcome of the election, the death of the current president, social and political violence erupting, an unrelated natural disaster - even the death of a newly elected president.

To build a timeline, here are what must be my final conclusions:

1. Trump's charts are bad to the point where it seems he cannot win the election and become president. His life will be disrupted and put on a totally different path. He may also be the source of extreme disruption or even incited violence. He may still find himself imprisoned before his birthday year is over. In general, there is the usual disruptive chaos that always whirls around Trump, perhaps compounded by violence. It is difficult to see him being inaugurated president next January 20.
2. On Election Night and immediately after, Trump will be certain he won and will celebrate accordingly. (Probably the rest of us also think he won.)
3. Ballot counting will likely continue at least a week and a half. It seems November 16-17 is a pivotal date. Key details remain unknown or extremely uncertain for weeks.
4. It seems more likely than not that Harris will have won, especially if she is in Washington on the morning of October 21.
5. Trump, if in Washington for the inauguration, is extremely miserable. From late December he is broodingly rageful and seeking to cause hurt. His chart shows him as a loser in every important respect except for the SLR covering Election Day, which shows exactly the opposite. January 20 is an especially bad day for him - one of his worst ever - if he's in Washington.
6. Severe conditions and extreme conflict (if not violence) prevail around the time of the inauguration and especially right after it.
7. Despite anything else I've said, J.D. Vance's chart looks like he attains high honor on or soon after January 20.
8. This Super Bowl (so to speak) will go into double overtime.
9. I predict Kamala Harris will be inaugurated president because Donald Trump is shown to be a loser. (I have low confidence in this prediction because of the multiple contradictions and uncertainties.)

If this were a sports match, I wouldn't advise betting on it either way. All indications EXCEPT the single most powerful individual chart suggest Trump will lose. The strongest technique in the bunch then says otherwise. The same technique then contradicts itself later.

[Mike V]

p Mercury sq r MC +39'
...
(Mercury to MC is neutral.)

This might be litigious on Trump's part - if not directly, than related to making phone calls to find votes and such things.

Transiting Uranus crossing natal MC...
For the present question - the election - we should take it as a dramatic neutral factor that perhaps leans slightly toward the positive for him.

I'm surprised that this Uranus transit is so neutral. I would be inclined to interpret it as rather positive, at least in a vacuum.
With that said, though, if this is a "change in his standing or stature," the only direction I can see him going is down. He has spent the last 4+ years with a devoted cult following and, despite a ton of legal action being taken against him, he has only recently felt any particularly negative effects from it.

Jupiter might work to his advantage: It is just outside partile conjunction with his Uranus and getting closer. When exact on November 16, it may be a positive aspect for a surprise win.

I feel like it's likely to be quite impactful at the time, for a brief time... but I am having trouble imagining such a transit rescuing him from all of those other factors. The combined weight is still very heavily against him. Maybe he gets lucky with one of his many ongoing court battles?

For the very short run, transiting Venus crosses his luminaries on three days centered on Election Day. This will definitely give him a boost in popularity and have him feeling good on those days. While this brief aspect may not decide the election, it definitely is helpful to him exactly on that day and suggests he goes to bed optimistic that night.

Personally, I've found that the inner planet transits usually fail to outweigh such heavy factors as he has, to the point that I completely miss them. Still, it's quite possible that he and his allies think they have an angle of attack, and he briefly feels good about it.

Bottom line: Transits lean positive, particularly for feeling good on Election Day itself. The transits are not as positive as the directions and progressions are negative, and they need relevant return charts to clarify their operation. Nonetheless, from transits alone he has optimistic indications.

I'm surprised that you read it this way (although this is probably just my relative inexperience talking). I feel like a couple of fleeting, positive transits don't outweigh what seems like an inescapable pit of all of those other, much nastier factors.

SUMMARIZING ALL OF THIS, directions and progressions decisively show a devastating loss. Transits paint a more positive picture (though not as positive as the other indications are negative). He is prone this year to tumultuous, dramatic, overthrowing events, and on balance it looks like he's the one overthrown. The clearest indications are the drama though it does seem to show him losing.

Ahh, okay, I was too quick above. I agree with your interpretation here.

I'll add more as I read more.

[Mike V]

Return charts hinge greatly on where Harris spends her birthday and have the seemingly absurd outcome that Trump is joyous on Election Night and miserable in January.

I don't think this is absurd at all. Based on almost all of the indications that I have seen, Trump's plan is to win through electoral f***ery and not by actually winning via the electoral college outright. He's hoping for a combination of the Supreme Court, the maybe Republican-controlled House, and other matters to delay or deny certification and get himself installed as President.

If he thinks that this is on track to be successful, regardless of the way the vote-counting is going, he is going to be overjoyed. Another reason for this certainty on his part may be that he is cognitively declining pretty rapidly; I don't think that his assessments of matters are necessarily founded on facts. His emotional flip-flopping is probably exactly what it looks like: he only kinda knows what is going on.

If Harris and her team get blindsided by some of these mechanisms (I'm sure they are aware of everything I am aware of plus a bunch more), I could see her feeling crushed about it at the time. Maybe the Supreme Court gets involved really early, and they seem to signal that they're going to yank the rug out from under her.

But if it takes a few months for this to unwind, I think it's perfectly reasonable for
1. Trump to think that he's got this in the bag around Election Day, and Harris to think that she's failed;
2. A lot of chaos and uncertainty happens over the next few weeks;
3. Harris gets inaugurated, and Trump (and maybe his friends in high places, too) tries to violently/judicially stop this process, leading to Harris feeling like she has still lost something. (Maybe rogue factions in government signal serious opposition, or she has to deal with a violent riot of Trump voters, and she has a huge mess on her hands right off the bat.)

[alinda]

I'm hesitant to comment because I don't think I have much to lend to the astrological interpretation but my general take on it:

Trump is disconnected from reality, mentally unstable, and surrounded by sycophants. I think it possible that he has tricked himself into believing that that he won in 2020 and also quite possible for him to think he has it in the bag on election night 2024. I don't think a narcissist personality like this will accept the loss until the rug is ripped out from him - maybe November 16-17.

On the other hand, Harris is the sitting Vice President and I would assume privy to more legal and security concerns than even the average presidential candidate. I can only imagine that Election Day could be an immensely stressful, difficult day for her.

I don't know what to think of JD Vance. He doesn't seem like a serious person to me, though I haven't dug into it either. It seems like his winning chart could be indicative of a book deal or Fox News position as much as anything else. Would it be worthwhile to look into the charts of the some leaders of both parties?

[Mike V]

I don't know what to think of JD Vance. He doesn't seem like a serious person to me, though I haven't dug into it either. It seems like his winning chart could be indicative of a book deal or Fox News position as much as anything else. Would it be worthwhile to look into the charts of the some leaders of both parties?

That's a good point. I think Vance is a non-starter for most of the MAGA movement on his own, and even Trump doesn't seem to like him. However, he could be a talking head somewhere and make a bunch of money, especially if Harris wins. He can say "we actually won! The woke mob stole the election from us!" for the next 10 years and make 6-7 figures.

[Mike V]

All indications EXCEPT the single most powerful individual chart suggest Trump will lose. The strongest technique in the bunch then says otherwise. The same technique then contradicts itself later.

I think that we need to draw a distinction between "Trump feels like he won the election," and "Trump won the election."

[Jim Eshelman]

All indications EXCEPT the single most powerful individual chart suggest Trump will lose. The strongest technique in the bunch then says otherwise. The same technique then contradicts itself later.

I think that we need to draw a distinction between "Trump feels like he won the election," and "Trump won the election."

I know of no astrological way to do that. - For example, I don't think we can say, "There is no Neptune involved so he's not deceived" (or the opposite).

The SLR shows the universe in which he's living. In that universe, the world is wonderful, happy, everybody loves him, he won, everything is good, time to celebrate. He's adored and uplifted. I would have said unequivocally HE WON except for the January Demi-SLR and the fact that we don't know for sure that he'll be in Mar-a-Lago (though I think he will be).

[Jim Eshelman]

Transiting Uranus crossing natal MC...
For the present question - the election - we should take it as a dramatic neutral factor that perhaps leans slightly toward the positive for him.

I'm surprised that this Uranus transit is so neutral. I would be inclined to interpret it as rather positive, at least in a vacuum.
With that said, though, if this is a "change in his standing or stature," the only direction I can see him going is down. He has spent the last 4+ years with a devoted cult following and, despite a ton of legal action being taken against him, he has only recently felt any particularly negative effects from it.

Yes. I meant "neutral" in this sense: I'm not looking for nuance. I want a binary win/lose decision, preferably from each component. Uranus transiting an angle could show why we call it a (soft) benefic - thrilling, liberating, "nothing to stop me now" - or it can topple the pedestal. There will be significant change. In sports forecasting it's been completely clear that Uranus angularity is not a signal of winning OR losing per se, though it does often mean an exciting game where everybody is surprised, fans blood starts pumping in thrilling moments, and you don't know until the end how it goes. Most of the time in sports (especially if Pluto is combined) it means "reverse the odds and expectations: the favored loses and the unfavored wins."

So, on a binary matter, with possible outcomes being +1 and -1, the interpretation is 0, i.e., neutral expectation.

For the very short run, transiting Venus crosses his luminaries on three days centered on Election Day. This will definitely give him a boost in popularity and have him feeling good on those days. While this brief aspect may not decide the election, it definitely is helpful to him exactly on that day and suggests he goes to bed optimistic that night.

Personally, I've found that the inner planet transits usually fail to outweigh such heavy factors as he has, to the point that I completely miss them. Still, it's quite possible that he and his allies think they have an angle of attack, and he briefly feels good about it.

The fastest transit I've ever seen seem to make a difference in an election - at least, to the best of my ability to interpret what was going on - was that I finally predicted Obama's re-election based on transiting Moon aspecting his Mercury during the four likely peak voting hours. (I'm going from memory, may have some facts wrong.) I didn't yet understand how solar return location worked and probably wasn't giving adequate weight (again, going from memory that might be wrong) to Romney happening to be on his birthday where Saturn was angular and Obama having happened to be where Jupiter was angular. In any case, I took a Moon transit of his Mercury to mean: "His printed name will draw more attention."

My thought is that, at that point, it isn't so much a question of whether they register the transit (other charts show that better) but of how the world is responding to them at the moment each person votes. These Venus transits do suggest that people like him more that day than a week before or after.

Bottom line: Transits lean positive, particularly for feeling good on Election Day itself. The transits are not as positive as the directions and progressions are negative, and they need relevant return charts to clarify their operation. Nonetheless, from transits alone he has optimistic indications.

I'm surprised that you read it this way (although this is probably just my relative inexperience talking). I feel like a couple of fleeting, positive transits don't outweigh what seems like an inescapable pit of all of those other, much nastier factors.

It might not have been evident: I was being careful to get a separate 'vote' from each category of technique. A vote from solar arcs by themselves, a vote from progressions by themselves, a vote from transits alone. At the end, these can be drawn together for a balance. (I also have more confidence in day-to-day transits. I've watched them every day of my life since probably 1975. If I didn't know how miraculous SLRs are, I would probably be entirely happy and think astrology wonderful by ONLY having transits to the natal (and, well, I'd miss the similarly important transits to SSRs) as the way to get each person's "your daily horoscope."

E.g., No transits today though Uranus and Pluto are cresting local and SSR MCs this last week. Yesterday, Venus conjoined my solar Moon (octile progressed Moon) with transiting Mars octile solar Mars: I spent the day with my wife finalizing, loading, and relocating a large van full of boxes, then an unreasonably indulgent dinner (happy day spent with lover with a new region wine tasting in the middle; more raw physical exertion and depletion than I've done any week in recent memory; a blend of indulgence to the point of hurting myself; and, oh, I actually popped awake at 2 AM and just got up and started writing this thread, as a lead-in to that 19-hour day).

SUMMARIZING ALL OF THIS, directions and progressions decisively show a devastating loss. Transits paint a more positive picture (though not as positive as the other indications are negative). He is prone this year to tumultuous, dramatic, overthrowing events, and on balance it looks like he's the one overthrown. The clearest indications are the drama though it does seem to show him losing.

Ahh, okay, I was too quick above. I agree with your interpretation here.

[Jim Eshelman]

But if it takes a few months for this to unwind, I think it's perfectly reasonable for
1. Trump to think that he's got this in the bag around Election Day, and Harris to think that she's failed;
2. A lot of chaos and uncertainty happens over the next few weeks;
3. Harris gets inaugurated, and Trump (and maybe his friends in high places, too) tries to violently/judicially stop this process, leading to Harris feeling like she has still lost something. (Maybe rogue factions in government signal serious opposition, or she has to deal with a violent riot of Trump voters, and she has a huge mess on her hands right off the bat.)

A few weeks at most - not months. States have to certify their results according to state law, with the longest being approximately one month after the election (California is one of the longest: one month after Election Day or, in this case, December 5.) The Electoral College casts votes December 17. SCOTUS intervention would be ahead of state ratification or be moot. The battle in the courts will probably be over how much control state legislatures have with the selection of EC delegates.

The weirdest scenario I thought of that fits the charts is the following (which won't happen, but it's worth mentioning, I suppose): Due to uncertain EC results, on January 6 the House of Representatives picks the president and the Senate picks the VP. In this weird fantasy possibility, the House picks Harris and the Senate picks Vance. That allows for every subtlety mentioned above (including poisoning Harris the next day).

It won't happen for the following reasons (mostly math based): A scenario in which Trump did well enough (even with procedural cheating) to throw the election in question would not coincide with a Dem majority in the House of Representatives. Even if the Dems have a House majority, the way the voting occurs would require Dems to have close to a 2/3 majority (no way it will happen) in order to win because each state gets one vote (e.g., the 52 members from California get ONE vote; small states get overwhelming advantage this way).

[Jim Eshelman]

I still think there are sub-plots we don't know about.

Not just Team Trump court manipulations and ballot manipulations. We know about those. But there are so many other things that could affect how this plays out.

Will Biden die or become seriously disabled? This would put Harris as president, throw off the timing on some of events (of certain thresholds), account for the personal grief elements showing all over the place.

Will Trump become so dysfunctional he can't continue (or be allowed to continue)? Or die (or nearly die)? Or be sent to prison for convictions already secured (we'll have a partial answer in two or three weeks)?

Will Jimmy Carter die (probably), signaling a state funeral and other things anticipated by some of these charts?

This list of scenarios presumes that Harris, Walz, and Vance don't have anything happen to upset the applecart - which may not be a valid assumption. (Maybe Tim Walz is a secret cannibal?)

And, of course, there's more possible than I've said. But just taking these: How would each force us to reinterpret all the above?

[Jim Eshelman]

Trump is disconnected from reality, mentally unstable, and surrounded by sycophants. I think it possible that he has tricked himself into believing that that he won in 2020 and also quite possible for him to think he has it in the bag on election night 2024. I don't think a narcissist personality like this will accept the loss until the rug is ripped out from him - maybe November 16-17.

Thanks for hopping in. - What we've seen in the past is that Trump holding out against all truth, trying to keep leveraging the outcome etc. is his Mars active: He's in a competition, still playing the game, wanting to win and to destroy his opponents. That's not so obvious here until the last week of December. For the period including Election Day, it's more like: He won the Super Bowl single-handed, he knows it and, more importantly, everybody else knows it. They love him and gave him a trophy.

On the other hand, Harris is the sitting Vice President and I would assume privy to more legal and security concerns than even the average presidential candidate. I can only imagine that Election Day could be an immensely stressful, difficult day for her.

All relevant. Still, the bottom line is: Will she win or lose (binary)? -- Though all these variations suggest that it may not be binary. It's not the Super Bowl with a fixed end time unless it's the Super Bowl with double overtime and we don't know exactly when to take the snapshot of how it ended.

I don't know what to think of JD Vance. He doesn't seem like a serious person to me, though I haven't dug into it either. It seems like his winning chart could be indicative of a book deal or Fox News position as much as anything else. Would it be worthwhile to look into the charts of the some leaders of both parties?

Like who?

I know that Biden's late November solar return is even worse than his current one. Does that mean that he is living in the reality that all his hard work and dreams have failed? Or just that he's about to leave office, about to leave half a century in politics, and his health continues to deteriorate? -- Months ago, I thought it surely meant the former but, with continuing deterioration, I think there's an excellent chance it's the latter.

In 2016 I learned a valuable lesson about trying to pick a result from second-hand reactions. We weren't sure of Hillary's birth time but her husband's chart looked gloriously happy for election day. I presumed to know what the outcome would mean to him one way or the other so I used his chart to say, "Bill gets fantastic news of his wife's success and learns he gets to move back into that big ol' mansion in DC that he liked living in so much and be called the First Lord."

I made a bad call.

[Jim Eshelman]

That point about second-hand reactions having been made, though, Biden's October 17 SLR is extremely active in Washington with the main active aspects being Moon-Mercury-Jupiter-Pluto combinations of different sorts (and more than a little Uranus). It's during the broad time that Uranus is making it's first pass opposing his Sun. It's a really interesting chart showing (among other things) a very sharp mind strategically focused on significant, meaningful decisions.

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA     Decl   Azi     Alt      ML     PVL    Ang G
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Pl  4Cp33'52"  3S16 + 0'10" 302°34' 23S25 177°47' +27°40'  27°39' 274°13'  96% M 
Ur  1Ta19'49"  0S16 - 2' 1"  54°10' 19N 6  60°18' - 5°13' 182°35'   6° 0'  92% A 
Me 11Li30'10"  0S33 + 1°34' 214° 4' 14S14 256°37' - 6° 6' 358°35' 173°44'  90% D 
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Ma 18Li39' 2"  0N19 +40'59" 221°23' 15S40 251° 2' - 1°33' 359°30' 178°22'  99% D 
Me 27Li35'47"  0N22 + 1°36' 230°23' 18S 5 243°31' + 3°18'   1°28' 183°41'  97% D 
Ju  1Cn11'39"  0N 9 - 1'35" 118°19' 21N 3   2°16' -30° 2' 210° 0'  86° 5'  96% I 
Mo  7Ar 2'43"  4S22 +12°36'  31°28'  8N 6  83° 1' + 4°16' 179°29' 355°42'  96% Ea
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tUr sq tPl  1°47' 94% M                                                 
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tMe op rMo  1°58' 96% M                                                 
tMe sq rJu  2°21' 89% M                                                 
tUr op rMe  2°18' 94% M                                                 
tPl sq rMo  2°29' 88%                                                   
tPl sq rMe  0°32' 99% M                                                 
tPl op rJu  3°22' 88%                                                   
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rMo op rMa  2°40' 92% M                                                 
rMo sq rJu  0°23'100% M                                                 
rMa sq rJu  2°17' 90% M

More relevant to the election, his October 31 demi-lunar (when Harris has a poor one if in DC) shows the luminaries strong and his Mars in full play. I don't know if it shows his reactions, but it shows him strong and perhaps even ferocious. (If he's in Rehoboth Beach for this SLR, Sun and natal Moon are even stronger: transiting Sun 1°42' before Dsc, natal Moon 1°56' before Asc, t Sun to r Moon 0°14' M.)

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Pl Longitude   Lat   Speed    RA     Decl   Azi     Alt      ML     PVL    Ang G
                               Transiting Planets                                
Su 13Li52'39"  0S 0 + 1° 0' 216°35' 14S29 248°41' + 2°57'   1° 5' 183°10'  98% D 
Mo  7Li 2'43"  2S16 +11°54' 209° 9' 14S20 253°29' - 2°25' 359°19' 177°29'  98% D 
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Mo  7Ar 2'43"  4S22 +12°36'  31°28'  8N 6  76°48' - 3°20' 180°46'   3°25'  97% A 
Ma 18Li39' 2"  0N19 +40'59" 221°23' 15S40 244°41' + 5°36'   2°24' 186°11'  92% D 
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tSu op rMo  0°15'100% M                                                 
tSu co rMa  3° 1' 90% M                                                 
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rMo op rMa  2°46' 92% M

Presuming he is in Washington at the time (he won't be far away), his January 7 SLR is perfectly lovely, the strongest factors being t Venus 0°34' before Dsc, r Venus 0°29' past IC, and Venus square Venus 1°02' M. Transiting Venus aspects his natal Sun, Venus, and Uranus foreground. If PVP aspects are valid in lunars, t Venus squares r Jupiter 0°27'.

Of course, we don't know that he'll be still alive. If not, then none of this applies.

His Demi-SLR occurs 3:40 PM January 21. If he is alive and stayed engaged to the end, this is his first day out of elected office an nearly his entire adult life. Other people's charts show serious conflict - enough to suggest there is some great crisis in play. Biden surely will be back in Wilmington or at his beach house by then. The chart is harsh with a foreground Mars-Neptune transit (actually, two Mars-Neptune aspects), transiting Neptune 2°31' from MC at Rehoboth Beach, and Mercury square transiting Mars and Neptune. (It's a better chart than he'd have in Washington.)

An instruction in how context affects interpretation: Biden's charts look quite different when viewed as "he is leaving office January 20 regardless" instead of "will he win?". It makes me much more inclined to interpret his new SSR as referring to his personal health and life condition (regardless of what it might also mean about the election).

Centering on Election Day, his solar arcs are surprisingly positive except that the one outright terrible one is closest. Remembering to focus first on those involving angles or luminaries to define the main influences, then let everything else supplement:

d Asc sq r Sun -64'
d Moon co r Jupiter -51'
d/p Sun sq r Mercury -41'
d Moon oc r Saturn -40'
d Pluto op r Moon -28'
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d Saturn sq r Asc +4'
d Venus sq r Mercury +19'
d Saturn sq r Uranus +29'
d Jupiter oc r Uranus +40'

I think the Saturn and Pluto directions broadly mean "this is the end." Yet the incoming (solidly in orb) Moon-Jupiter is great and next year's (soon in orb) Asc to Sun shows his dignity being particularly highlighted next year (if he's still alive).

Also, if "primary" direction of the natal is valid (moving angles at a primary rate interfaced with secondary progressions: the classic "progressed horoscope"), progressed Asc will already be in the middle of his natal Sun-Venus. In fact, for election day it's square his Venus to the minute (if his birth time is that exact)!

When the polls close on the West Coast, transiting Jupiter will still (barely) be in partile square to his MC (Jupiter has been squaring his MC within 1° for 12 weeks!). This BTW is the single most positive sign for Harris so far: If Biden has been reaping the effects of Jupiter transiting (and stationary on) an angle for 10 weeks before the election, Harris gets the positive fallout. Transiting Sun opposes his Mars on election day (he's on fire! - good or bad). Venus transits his natal EP-a on Election Day. Mercury crosses his Asc. It's a good set of transits for him!

My Inauguration Day, the solar arcs have shifted. Asc-Sun is in orb, Moon-Jupiter is closer, Saturn-Asc remains close but is no longer essentially exact. Otherwise, it's mostly the same.

d Asc sq r Sun -51'
d Moon co r Jupiter -39'
d/p Sun sq r Mercury -28'
d Moon oc r Saturn -28'
d Pluto op r Moon -15'
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d Saturn sq r Asc +17'
d Venus sq r Mercury +32'
d Saturn sq r Uranus +42'
d Jupiter oc r Uranus +52'

Like Trump - astonishingly matching Trump! - Biden's secondary progressions for Inauguration Day include an exact Moon-Pluto - this time a square, within 0°13'. Biden's Moon progression to natal Pluto comes two months later. I don't know what it means that they both have a progressed Moon-Pluto at the same time (and while Biden has had back-and-forth Pluto transits to his Moon and a still-increasing directed Pluto to his Moon). It's dramatic.

On Inauguration Day, transiting Pluto is back to within 0°27' of square Biden's Moon, a recurring signal that he is "at the end" - in this case, the end of his political career at high noon on January 20, no matter what else happens in that moment. (t Saturn is octile his Moon 53', but so does Venus 30'.) Uranus transits opposite his Mercury (37'). He seems triumphant, in a state of "no regrets + full restoral of honor" with transiting Jupiter 32' from conjunct natal Saturn (and 21' from octile natal Jupiter) - the final positive judgement (t Jupiter) seal on his life of politics (r Jupiter-Saturn). The Moon-Mercury square at that hour octiles his Uranus. (It hits the chart of every major player or person who might be a player that day.)

So... going by Biden's chart (which presumes he keeps breathing so that the chart doesn't cease to exist), Harris wins. Biden wouldn't feel that way if Trump were taking the oath.

Then again, there is the hard lesson of not predicting these things based on somebody's else's chart.

[Jim Eshelman]

Heavily edited above, mostly for composition cleanup, but with rewrites to clarify the final conclusions. (They were implicit in what was written but not explicit.)

[Jim Eshelman]

I think I've mentioned this in another thread: Using the Vimshottari Dasa system (based on 360-day years):

Joe Biden
Election: Saturn - Saturn - Jupiter - Venus - Saturn & Mercury
Inauguration: Saturn - Mercury - Neptune - Venus - Jupiter
NOTE: He entered the Jupiter sub-Bhukti August 8 and remains there the rest of the year

Kamala Harris
Election: Uranus - Venus - Uranus - Jupiter - Saturn - multiple
Inauguration: Uranus - Venus - Uranus - Venus - Venus - Mars

Donald Trump
Election: Jupiter - Venus - Venus - Moon - Neptune & Venus
Inauguration: Jupiter - Venus - Venus - Saturn - Mars - multiple

The portents for all three look remarkably like what the other techniques showed.

[Mike V]

Ballot counting will likely continue at least a week and a half. It seems November 16-17 is a pivotal date. Key details remain unknown or extremely uncertain for weeks.

I will be extremely interested to see if Eris has any notable involvement once most of the important details are in the rear view mirror.

[Jim Eshelman]

I haven't thought about Lunar Arcs in a while (as a way of narrowing and concentrating Solar Arc trends). Let's look:

HARRIS for Election Day:
d Pluto r MC 0°19'

TRUMP or Election Day
d Moon sq r Pluto 0°11' [same as secondaries, nothing new]
d Mercury sq r Mars 0°24'
d Neptune sq r MC 0°13'
d Asc sq r Jupiter 0°50' (sep)


HARRIS for Inauguration Day:
d Uranus sq r MC 0°38'
d Asc co r Uranus 0°57' (sep)
t MC sq r Mars 0°54' (sep)

TRUMP for Inauguration Day
d Mercury sq r MC 0°17'
d Mars sq r Jupiter 0°09'
d Neptune co r Mars 0°06'


Nothing here to make me change my mind.

[Mike V]

I haven't thought about Lunar Arcs in a while (as a way of narrowing and concentrating Solar Arc trends).

Are Lunar Arcs just directing the natal planets at the rate of secondary progressed Moon? (Sounds obvious, but I've never touched these and don't recall even seeing the option in Solar Fire.)

[Jim Eshelman]

Are Lunar Arcs just directing the natal planets at the rate of secondary progressed Moon? (Sounds obvious, but I've never touched these and don't recall even seeing the option in Solar Fire.)

Yes, that's exactly what they are. No, I've never seen anyone do it before I came up with it, but I seriously doubt I was the first person ever to think of it. I introduced them as a concept here: https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=6848

I do them with a spreadsheet. Extract natal longitudes from SF and type in progressed Moon, then read the output. The Harris spreadsheet looks like this:

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PROG MOON	83	10	47	83.17972222
Arc	79.773386294603			

PLANET	NATAL	Lun Arc		
Moon	3.406335928	83.179722222222	83	11
Sun	183.563839	263.337225265807	263	21
Mercury	187.2147151	266.988101379181	266	60
Venus	143.6513682	223.424754464647	223	26
Mars	117.0509276	196.824313845383	196	50
Jupiter	29.76117585	109.534562143267	109	33
Saturn	304.2159519	23.989338205937	23	60
Uranus	139.0126747	218.786060998065	218	48
Neptune	202.5897629	282.363149224935	282	22
Pluto	141.2082209	220.981607152565	220	59
Asc	60.18317329	139.956559579772	139	58
MC	308.1650981	27.938484393289	27	57

[Jim Eshelman]

I want Vice President Harris to be in Washington, DC mid-morning Monday, October 21 for her new solar return.

A new report says that Monday evening she will campaign with Liz Cheney in Oakland County, Michigan.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 753024007/

Most of the time she has been travelling to these locations the day of the event. In recent years, she has celebrated her birthday (Oct 20) in Washington. She probably will be in DC in the morning, but I'm digging for more secure information.

LATER: This is now being described as a three-state swing of Harris and Cheney all on Monday, with stops in Chester Co., PA, Oakland Co., MI, and Waukesha Co., WI. (I'd think she'd go east to west.)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 751893007/

If she isn't still in DC, the most likely location in the morning will be in or near West Chester, PA. If she is in or near West Chester, her solar return remains in the "really good" mode - though natal Jupiter is slightly more angular for Washington. Here is the chart for West Chester (all angularities except the Jupiter-Uranus are Class 3).

t Venus Asc -9°20'
r Uranus MC -6°48'
t Saturn IC -6°22'
t Uranus Dsc -0°46'
-------------------------
t Jupiter Dsc +1°09'
r Neptune Asc +8°29'
r Saturn IC +8°31'

t Moon-Jupiter co 3°39'
t Moon-Neptune sq 2°59'

r Saturn-Neptune 0°02'
t Saturn op r Uranus 0°27' M
t Uranus co r Jupiter 1°27'
t Venus sq r Uranus 2°32' M
t Venus-Saturn sq 2°58' M

For a tighter look, we can drop out the three Class 3 angularities (t Venus and r Saturn-Neptune). This significantly changes the aspect profile. The chart looks like this:

r Uranus MC -6°48'
t Saturn IC -6°22'
t Uranus Dsc -0°46'
-------------------------
t Jupiter Dsc +1°09'

t Moon-Jupiter co 3°39'
t Moon-Neptune sq 2°59'

t Uranus co r Jupiter 1°27'


In Washington, the chart is similar. Here are the angularities to show the differences:

t Venus EP -2°10'
r Uranus MC -8°23'
t Saturn IC -7°55'
t Uranus Dsc -1°23'
-------------------------
t Jupiter Dsc +0°31'
r Saturn IC +6°55'
r Neptune Asc +7°41'
r Mars Z +2°35'

[Mike V]

That seems acceptable to me. Granted, the DC angularities appear strictly better (the wide-ish transiting Venus and natal Mars could only help, from what I can see), but it's still a good chart.

Going east to west makes sense from a timezone perspective too - otherwise, she'd be losing hours to timezone changes, and I doubt she'd be able to get all the events done in one day like that.

[alinda]

Harris is in Atlanta today. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris ... 024-10-20/
According to this she is scheduled to start in PA then go to Wisconsin and end up in Michigan.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/pol ... 751987007/

The talk in pa is supposed to be in Chester county, which is close enough to Philly that I imagine she will fly into Philly. https://www.mcall.com/2024/10/20/kamala ... pa-monday/


There is a new flight restriction in Philly from this evening to until tomorrow evening.

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1271.html


I’d bet that is her if she doesn’t go home to Washington for the evening.

[Jim Eshelman]

Campaign beats big deal birthday celebration. Got it. Philly it is unless we hear otherwise (she may already be in motion at the first campaign stop in Chester Country). Here is the chart. (Everybody please keep us posted if you hear anything different about exactly where she is tomorrow morning, Monday, at 9:39:58 AM EDT.)

t Venus Asc -9°01'
r Uranus MC -6°27'
t Saturn IC -5°51'
t Uranus Dsc -0°25'
-------------------------
r Jupiter Dsc +1°30'
r Neptune Asc +8°51'
r Saturn IC +9°00'

t Moon-Neptune sq 2°59'
t Moon-Jupiter co 3°39'

r Saturn-Neptune sq 0°09'
t Saturn op r Uranus 0°26' M
t Uranus co r Jupiter 1°27'
t Venus sq r Uranus 2°43' M

[alinda]

AF2 is at hartsfield-jackson right now. I’ll try to keep an eye on the flight radar to see where it goes.

Edit: she just landed at PHL

Another edit:
If she follows the itinerary from this TFR, I think she should be in the Chester area between 915 -1345. Area C centers over 40º02’34”N, 75º31’46”W which believe is Chester county. That would put her in chester for her SSR?

[Jim Eshelman]

If she follows the itinerary from this TFR, I think she should be in the Chester area between 915 -1345. Area C centers over 40º02’34”N, 75º31’46”W which believe is Chester county. That would put her in chester for her SSR?

Your help is pure gold.

The county seat, West Chester, is only a little east of the county center, at 39N58 75W365 which is nearly what you gave. Unless I get a firm location otherwise, I'll probably use the county seat and largest city. The differences are small. Only listing those that matter much:

For West Chester, PA:
t Uranus Dsc -0°46'
r Jupiter Dsc +1°09'

For Area C center you gave:
t Uranus Dsc -0°44'
r Jupiter Dsc +1°10'

I'm sure we can tell the difference! - Small differences, though, might improve things if she's closer to where you cited. The mundane square of her Saturn-Neptune is 6' instead of 2' (most much of a difference) and - more so - the t Venus-Saturn square is slightly wider in Area C Center and therefore doesn't even show up on the report using Class 1 aspects. This is nit-picky, but I said I'd list all the differences between the two.

[SteveS]

Thanks Alinda for your superb tracking where K Harris will be when her 2024 SSR sets-up. If Harris does not win this Prez Election with her very benefic angular SSR symbolism I will be somewhat shocked, and it will tell me we may be missing some key prediction method.

[Jim Eshelman]

Thanks Alinda for your superb tracking where K Harris will be when her 2024 SSR sets-up. If Harris does not win this Prez Election with her very benefic angular SSR symbolism I will be somewhat shocked, and it will tell me we may be missing some key prediction method.

It will also help if Trump stays north. His Election Eve SLR for Mar-a-Lago is as classic a chart for "I won everything! I'm the biggest winner ever!" that I can imagine; and, as Alinda pointed out, he hasn't really been living there. The one last piece of this puzzle is where he spends the evening before the election.

For the record, none of this is hindsight. However it comes out, I laid out the parameters at the start of this thread. Whichever way the election goes, we should already have the information in front of us to see it. Trump's solar arcs are really horrible - I can't see how he can win with them - and his January lunars are devastating. But then the Election Eve SLR for Florida is so brilliant.

After we're through with all that - Harris has the SSR she wants, Trump doesn't have the SLR he wants, and after the voting settles Harris wins - the remaining puzzle is why J.D. Vance looks at Inauguration Day that he won something; and what horror the new president has to face beginning January 21.

[SteveS]

I hear you Jim. The election may not be settled at the end of election day, but in the end Harris should win this election with her 2024 SSR.

[Jim Eshelman]

I was just advised that her first scheduled stop today was in Malvern, PA at 11:40 AM. Malvern is less than an hour from Philly. My new best estimate, therefore, is that she was in Philadelphia two hours earlier at 9:40 AM. Here is the (similar) chart for Philly:

t Venus Asc -9°01'
r Neptune Asc -8°51'
r Uranus MC -6°17'
t Saturn IC -5°51'
t Uranus Dsc -0°25'
------------------------
t Jupiter Dsc +1°30'
r Saturn IC +9°00'

t Moon-Neptune sq 2°59'
t Moon-Jupiter co 3°39'

r Saturn-Neptune sq 0°09' M
t Saturn op r Uranus 0°26' M
t Uranus co r Jupiter 1°27' M
t Venus sq r Uranus 2°43' M

[Arena]

Well, well, well. It seems like the average of all polls show Trump has the upper hand. But I don't know if we should trust the polls, some of them may not be reliable at all.

The Mars-Pluto has already been shown to be violent towards Trump with the assassination attempts. Perhaps there will be more, since we see the Mars-Pluto opposition near elections. However, that opposition is more dangerous to Kamala's chart since it squares her Sun-Moon opposition.

I'm looking at this with a KISS method. Keep it simple stupid . Not looking at lunar charts since the transits and solar arcs should be indictive enough of what is going on in their lives. I used that to predict about Biden not being in the race, which turned out to be right.

What I see for Trump and Harris is a bit different from your views it seems.
I will focus on the closest aspects since they are going to be the most potent and simply assess shich one has more positives and negatives.
I focus on their birth place charts since I believe that if one is becoming president it will show in the natal promise.

Donald Trump:
Positives
D. MC on r. Pluto - indicative of coming to power and a change in career.
T. Uranus on r. MC - indicative of a major change in career and or home. He's likely about to move.
T. Jupiter on his r Sun-Moon-Nnode, pr. Uranus and opp d. Nep - indicating great support and positive outcome.

Negatives
The t. malefics are not disturbing his natal chart with close aspects, but the solar arcs are still worrying with his d. Mars to r. Pluto and dir. Pluto to r. Sat-Ven and t. Sat trine d. Mars. This may indicate he's still in danger using a 2°orb.

Kamala Harris:
Positives
T Jupiter close to r. ASC&Nnode - although in wider orb than Trumps transit.
T Uranus on r. Jup and sq. d. ASC&Nnode indicates some kind of sudden change.

Negatives
T. Saturn opp r. Uranus (and soon Pluto) indicating a difficult change and loss.
T. Nep sq d. Sun-Moon.
T. Mars-Pluto sq d. Saturn and r. Sun-Moon.

Looking at her directions it seems like perhaps her time in the limelight/success has already passed since her dir. Sun-Moon was on her ASC&Node and her dir. MC near her r. Sun-Moon when she became VP.

Judging by their natal charts (I have not checked the relocated charts yet) it seems like Trump has more positives and less negatives as well as much closer aspect from Jupiter, the great benefic, so using simple astrological predictions it seems like he has the upper hand in astrological vibes. Both seem to be going through changes (Uranus), but his transits and dir. indicate a change in career/status and home if we use the MC angle, but hers show personal changes, but career defeat.

I've become quite interested in eclipses recently and these two candidates are both born on a full moon. So I was wondering if the recent eclipses would affect their charts. For Kamala, the eclipses were close to her natal Sun-Moon opp, but for Trump it was near his Jup.

I think by looking at their natal charts with the KISS method it seems like Trump will have the upper hand in elections and will win. However, it seems like they may both be in some sort of danger or something awful/violent is about to happen with that Mars-Pluto vibes.

[Jim Eshelman]

Well, well, well. It seems like the average of all polls show Trump has the upper hand. But I don't know if we should trust the polls, some of them may not be reliable at all.

Polls and gambling odds have been interesting on this one. Polls averaged show Harris ahead by 2-3% nationwide, which is within the margin of error. For the battleground states, they are all too close to call but if one forced it to go one way or another no matter how slim the margin, Trump gets most of them.

Then come the gambling sites: These have been heavily manipulated. Steve has been tracking odds which, about a week, didn't a sudden reversal and had Trump shoot way ahead. Two days after that, Wall Street Journal reported that on a crypto-based gambling site, someone had dumped about $30 million to bet on Trump, which totally warped the odds on that site and the odds spread to other gambling sites. You can't trust Vegas on that one.

With Harris' new SSR today, in some senses the campaign starts this morning.

The Mars-Pluto has already been shown to be violent towards Trump with the assassination attempts. Perhaps there will be more, since we see the Mars-Pluto opposition near elections. However, that opposition is more dangerous to Kamala's chart since it squares her Sun-Moon opposition.

Not partile. However, with diverse directions, transits, and returns, she gets plenty of Pluto this cycle. But the Mars-Pluto seems to miss her (unless there's a return chart I've missed).

What I see for Trump and Harris is a bit different from your views it seems.

One of the divergences is that I've had to completely dismiss transits (other than in their more specialized presence in returns). When each technique is studied on its own, all methods broadly agree except transits appear to disagree. They seem to be at odds with the other signals. At least they get "out voted."

It does give a different outcome if transits left completely out of the picture.

OTOH, Kenneth B. agrees with your conclusion (though for entirely different reasons).

Looking at her directions it seems like perhaps her time in the limelight/success has already passed since her dir. Sun-Moon was on her ASC&Node and her dir. MC near her r. Sun-Moon when she became VP.

That was a gigantic thing. - Her solar arcs for the birth certificate time seem to say nothing at all. I had been using a time for her of one minute earlier (partly from close-trimmed events, partly because her physical appearance is so clearly Taurian instead of Geminian and less than a minute earlier gives a Taurus Asc). If that one minute earlier time is correct, she is still in directed Ascendant to natal Jupiter (which seems to mark her sudden rise over the summer etc.).

[Arena]

It is slightly different to keep it simple like this. However, I do want to check out their relocated charts as well, although they are constantly on the move these days. I simply used their registered birth data from astrotheme.com.

Do you use Mar a lago for Trump's residence and Washington for Kamala?

[Jim Eshelman]

It is slightly different to keep it simple like this. However, I do want to check out their relocated charts as well, although they are constantly on the move these days. I simply used their registered birth data from astrotheme.com.

Do you use Mar a lago for Trump's residence and Washington for Kamala?

It depends on where they actually are. I don't accept the "home base" theory that things work best for where you usually are.

We've been tracking them in SLR threads since July for exactly where they are when each lunar or demi sets up. Harris has had a pretty amazing run of landing where natal or transiting Sun is exactly angular for the chart except during September when she (understandably to an astrologer) started getting less attention.

For election night, my best guess is that Harris will be in Washington. She might be in Dover since that's where the campaign HQ is located (that she inherited from Biden), but I suspect she'll be in Washington.

I assumed originally that Trump would be in Mar-a-Lago for election day. His SLR for there the evening before is one of the best, most positive charts I've ever seen, so - thinking he was there - my prediction was that he would at least be absolutely certain on election night that he'd won. (In contrast, his January lunars are abysmal for Washington). During the campaign, though, he's been primarily staying in the north - either at his home in NYC or his golf club in New Jersey. He's had several lunars there but some of them on the road. If he is in NY or NJ for election night, or campaigns somewhere outside of southern Florida the night before. the return picture looks entirely different.

Mar-a-Lago: 26N40'37" 90W02'13"
Trump Tower (Manhattan): 40N45'45" 73W58'26"
Trump National Golf Club (Bedminster, NJ): 40N39'11" 74W41'42"

For the inauguration, we know where the winner will be: On the steps of the U.S. Capitol Building 38N53'24" 77W00'34". That makes inauguration at least as important - and, in practical ways, more important - than election day.

[Jim Eshelman]

I should perhaps add a filter on the messenger.

I knew that transiting Neptune was retrograding back to cross my Descendant. I only today realized that Neptune conjoins my Descendant exactly on Election Day. The simplest explanation is that I will feel morbid or disproportionately emotional in a wave that crests on or adjacent to that day.

Now, Venus also squares my Moon in the predawn hours of November 5, but the Neptune transit is a bigger deal. Furthermore, transiting Eris opposes my progressed Moon (I suppose I should say progressed Moon speeds past the opposition to transiting Eris) on November 7. This looks like a few days of maximized disorientation.

November 8, Venus transits across my IC, and on the 9th crosses my Nadir and progressed Sun. I start to feel better - feel pleasure - by then. The 12th is also very positive by daily transits. The personal pleasure-excitement best day is November 18.

These may not all be about the election, of course. (There are other things in my life.) But I thought my personal state of mind may have relevance to the prediction.

My Demi-SLR in a couple of days is grumbly, perhaps especially angry about unforeseen things getting in the way. My November 11 SLR is mixed, with natal Mars-Neptune strongest but transiting Venus next strongest. It's November 24 before I get a get a stellar happy, celebratory Demi-SLR (not likely to be about personal events since Marion is travelling out of state for her SLR from the day before until two days after), so I should have something else to celebrate. My December 8 SLR is the best chart of my new year with everything going my way. The 12/21 demi is mixed.) My January 4 SLR will be an excellent, happy chart by force of our travelling to New Orleans for a few days. My January 18 demi, right before the inauguration is completely neutral, dominated by two exactly angular Moons: As with the 2025 Capsolar, I honestly wonder if this means, "It's all about the woman."

So... I think these don't look too bad. Nonetheless, I'm anxious about the Neptune transit to my horizon being exact on Election Day, with transiting Eris opposite progressed Moon immediately after.

[SteveS]

I have been doing charts on Prez Elections for a long time and never have I been so mixed for the winner for certain location possibilities, except when I look at Harris SSR it tells me on balance for her whole solar year, she should be in a “Thank You Lord” Jupiter mood. Maybe this means that both candidates psychologically feel they won the election after Election Day, but something will be thrown into the mix which will cause a ‘wait and let’s see’ situation and the final results will not be known until a few weeks later. Maybe this could explain your mixed sights for your charts Jim.

[Jim Eshelman]

Maybe this means that both candidates psychologically feel they won the election after Election Day, but something will be thrown into the mix which will cause a ‘wait and let’s see’ situation and the final results will not be known until a few weeks later. Maybe this could explain your mixed sights for your charts Jim.

Yes. I think it a mistake to focus only on Election Day itself. Increasingly, less and less occurs on that day. Early voting starts a month before and the outcome can emerge as much as a month after.

Nonetheless, it's enough of a centerpiece, with enormous psychological energy around it, that it does need examination as ONE of the main dates. It's at least as important (perhaps more so) to look at Inauguration Day as well - which gives the advantage of knowing where the winner will be.

[Lance]

All I’m gonna say is that everything fits if he is ahead on Election night and declares victory early.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes.

[Profit]

Sometimes humor finds a way to the crux... Sometimes...

Election night 11PM Capitol Building...
Hypothetically the networks wait until 11PM to announce who they believe wins the Presidential Election. At that time the polls close on the West Coast. As the story goes they don't want to announce before all in the USA have voted. Hawaii and Alaska the exception. No respect given to the 50th and 49th states to enter the Union. Doubt either of them will see a candidate visit this election cycle.

Its a moment when the MC is 5ARI54.
Mars is at 5CAN34
Pluto is at 4CAP42
Juno is at 5LIB53
Harris Moon 3ARI24
Harris Sun is at 3LIB33

ASC is 15CAN59
Harris Sun/Jupiter 16CAN39
Trump Pluto 16CAN03
Trump Pluto/Saturn 16CAN18
Trump Saturn/ASC 16CAN22

USA Hazelrigg Pluto 5CAP56
Inauguration 2025 Sun 5CAP47
Inauguration 2025 Pluto 6CAP35
Inauguration 2025 EP 5ARI19

With my mundane journey through the coming chaos I ache for the pain to be 'wrought' and in a stoic sense understand to remain present. The language of charting remarkedly can show the positive effects of a malefic/difficult aspect and the decadent nature a benefic planet can contribute to. The experience we are about to witness is beyond our current capacity to appreciate. We have our work cut out for us!

[Profit]

Inauguration 2025

Harris
Natal Jupiter conjunct Inauguration Uranus (1st House)
Natal Jupiter trine Inauguration MC
Natal Jupiter sextile Inauguration Mars conjunct IC

Natal Sun/Moon opposition square Inauguration MC/IC

Natal Uranus trine Inauguration ASC
Natal Uranus opposition Inauguration Saturn

Natal Pluto opposition Inauguration Saturn

Natal Venus opposition Inauguration Venus



Trump
Natal Jupiter conjunct Inauguration Moon
Natal Jupiter square Inauguration Mercury

Natal Venus conjunct Inauguration IC

Natal Saturn conjunct Inauguration IC
Natal Saturn conjunct Inauguration Mars

Natal Uranus trine Inauguration Moon
Natal Uranus square Inauguration Venus
Natal Uranus square Inauguration Saturn

So much more to this tale!

[Arena]

I better put this in this thread as well. I have a slightly different view from you guys since I'm focusing on their transits and solar arcs for this. Because these are the main predictors in my view. If this kind of thing doesn't show up in these two perspectives, as a sort of natal promise, then astrology is not reliable. I'm also looking at the solar eclipse since one of them is going to be a president. I'm not looking at lunar returns.

I wondered if that solar eclipse and perhaps the lunar eclipse would be affecting both their charts since they both have full moon charts. They say that it is likely to affect you in the whole sign house it lands. For Trump it's in the 3rd/9th axis in his chart whereas for Kamala it's in the 5th/11th axis.

To me it looks like t. Pluto in the eclipse is acting on Kamala's Sun-Moon and Mercury, perhaps to bring out or reveal some sort of "truth" (Pluto-Mer) about her or to test her communication skills. I've seen some very very negative things coming out about her, although I do not know if they are true or not. Your media is going a bit crazy these days. That malefic almost partile aspect from t. Saturn to her r. Pluto is almost like signaling a devastating loss. I've noticed that during this months she's revealed to the nation that she's not intellectually capable of speaking about her politics. She's just babbling strangely and with no structure or coherence to details or strong policy points. It's been weird to see and one has to wonder how on earth she made it this far being this incapable. It's embarrassing. So understandingly she's losing a lot now. She does have t. Jupiter close to her ASC, but it's outside the 3° range.

On the other hand, the solar eclipse charts is treating Trump much better in it's astrological vibrations. The Sun-Moon-Mer combo is squaring his r. Mer, perhaps shining light on his capable cognition and speech. No matter whether you agree with him or not, he's been doing very well in interviews with so many different podcasters and people. Those three planets are falling right between his r. Nep-Jup, so perhaps it's almost like effortless winning (although I don't see it as effortless to be doing all those interviews). That t. Jup in the eclipse chart landing straight upon his r. Sun-Moon and Nodes is a hell of a lot of benefic influence in the astro vibes and I think that is helping him a lot in having so much outreach and support. He's also getting help from so many hugely influential people that will possibly be on his team to govern. This is most likely the Jupiter to his Node (making very important benefic relationships/connections).

The Rogan interview is getting crazy outreach and both Google and Youtube tried to hide it for a full day (the full length interview didn't show up when people were looking for it - just clips from it). However it's back up now after they were found out and it now has over 40 million views just on Youtube. It's breaking records. Trump has been smart strategically to go on all the biggest podcasts for long interviews and they have much wider outreach than any of the traditional "news" stations.

Kamala has been invited as well, but would most likely lose both ways - she would lose by going on Rogan because she would probably not be capable of intellectual conversation for so long .... and she will also lose by not going.

Trump is clearly on the rise to win. And whether you like him or not, he simply has the upper hand astrologically. I've been watching polls and your early votes. But not all polls are accurate or good enough, we all know that. All in all, astrological vibes are simply MUCH better for Trump and I think he will win if the deep state won't be able to have him killed or somehow restricted before election day.

I still have to look at the inauguration day to see the astro vibes for that day. Upcoming.