Testing the USA chart with Solar Arc directions

[Jim Eshelman]

The best chart for the Declaration of Independence (which usually has been the best natal chart for the U.S. as a whole, though other charts seen to reflect individual functions) is for July 4, 1776, 12:10:43 PM LAT, at Independence Hall in Philadelphia 39N56'56" 75W09'00".

The timing to seconds is based on Llewellyn George's final rectification. Times in the 12:10 to 12:11 range (LAT) have performed exceptionally well by transit and secondary progression over the years.

In this thread, I will list data that I don't think has been applied historically, the most important solar arcs of this chart. I may not draw any conclusions and may simply leave this here as a tool for others to pursue. I will follow the rules that have seemed to emerge here over the last few years, requiring that a direction involve an angle or luminary (as either the directing or natal planet). I will only show conjunctions, oppositions, and squares. These seem to have been the characteristics that identify the most significant events in personal lives.

For precision of the chart, we are especially interested in the angles. For validating the technique as a whole, we want all the aspects (remembering, though, that directed Sun aspects are also secondary progressed Sun aspects). I mostly list the Sun and Moon contacts, though, to distinguish influences nearby those involving angles, since Sun is so close to the angles. We anticipate an orb of 1°00' - marking about a two-year period centered on the date given - though more significant within 0°30' and often timing very close to the exact date given.

[Jim Eshelman]

Dec 6 1776 - d Sun Sqr r Asc
May 12 1777 - d Sat Sqr r MC
Nov 2 1777 - d Asc Cnj r Sat
Apr 6 1778 - d Sun Sqr r Sat
Sep 10 1778 - d Asc Sqr r MC
Feb 12 1779 - d Sun Cnj r MC
Sep 26 1781 - d Eri Opp r Sun
Feb 28 1782 - d Eri Sqr r Asc
Feb 6 1784 - d Jup Cnj r Sun
May 5 1784 - d Eri Opp r MC
Jul 10 1784 - d Jup Sqr r Asc
Aug 9 1785 - d MC Cnj r Mer
Sep 15 1786 - d Jup Cnj r MC
Apr 12 1787 - d Ven Cnj r Sun
Sep 14 1787 - d Ven Sqr r Asc
Oct 15 1787 - d Asc Sqr r Mer
Mar 18 1788 - d Sun Cnj r Mer
Jan 9 1789 - d MC Opp r Plu
Nov 19 1789 - d Ven Cnj r MC
Mar 16 1791 - d Asc Sqr r Plu
Aug 18 1791 - d Sun Opp r Plu
Dec 3 1791 - d Mon Sqr r Ura
Mar 16 1798 - d Nep Sqr r Sun
Aug 18 1798 - d Nep Cnj r Asc
Jun 10 1799 - d Mar Cnj r Sun
Nov 12 1799 - d Mar Sqr r Asc
Oct 22 1800 - d Nep Sqr r MC
Jan 16 1802 - d Mar Cnj r MC
Jun 1 1804 - d Plu Cnj r Mon
Oct 25 1804 - d Mon Sqr r Mar
Jan 18 1806 - d Mon Opp r Nep
Oct 28 1807 - d Mer Opp r Mon
Apr 22 1812 - d Ura Cnj r Sun [War of 1812 declared 6/18]
Sep 23 1812 - d Ura Sqr r Asc
Nov 24 1814 - d Ura Cnj r MC [Burning Washington, DC 8/24]
Nov 9 1816 - d MC Opp r Mon
Dec 2 1816 - d Mon Sqr r Ven
Sep 14 1817 - d Sat Sqr r Mon
Jan 8 1819 - d Asc Sqr r Mon [Pnic of 1819 began 1/4]
Jun 10 1819 - d Sun Opp r Mon
Jan 26 1820 - d Mon Sqr r Jup
May 30 1822 - d Mon Sqr r Eri
Aug 11 1824 - d Eri Cnj r Mon
Dec 13 1826 - d Jup Opp r Mon
Jul 30 1827 - d Mon Sqr r Sun
Dec 30 1827 - d Mon Opp r Asc
Apr 22 1829 - d Mon Opp r Sat
Feb 1 1830 - d Ven Opp r Mon
Feb 24 1830 - d Mon Sqr r MC
Feb 6 1832 - d MC Sqr r Ura
Apr 1 1834 - d Asc Opp r Ura
Sep 1 1834 - d Sun Sqr r Ura
Feb 7 1839 - d Mon Sqr r Mer [Panic of 1838 began 5/10/37]
Nov 7 1840 - d Nep Sqr r Mon
Jan 24 1842 - d Mar Opp r Mon [Pres. Harrison died 4/4/41]
Jun 16 1842 - d Mon Sqr r Plu
Oct 15 1844 - d MC Sqr r Mar
Dec 31 1845 - d MC Cnj r Nep
Dec 4 1846 - d Asc Opp r Mar
May 4 1847 - d Sun Sqr r Mar
Feb 18 1848 - d Asc Sqr r Nep [Gold found in California 1/24/48]
Jul 18 1848 - d Sun Cnj r Nep
Sep 7 1854 - d Ura Opp r Mon
Dec 20 1854 - d Plu Sqr r Sun
May 20 1855 - d Plu Opp r Asc
Sep 1 1856 - d MC Sqr r Ven
Jul 4 1857 - d Plu Sqr r MC [Panic of 1857 began 8/24]
Apr 19 1858 - d Mer Sqr r Sun
Sep 16 1858 - d Mer Cnj r Asc
Oct 16 1858 - d Asc Opp r Ven
Mar 16 1859 - d Sun Sqr r Ven
Oct 5 1859 - d MC Sqr r Jup
Oct 30 1860 - d Mer Sqr r MC [South Carolina seceded 12/20]
Nov 17 1861 - d Asc Opp r Jup
Jan 20 1862 - d MC Sqr r Eri
Apr 16 1862 - d Sun Sqr r Jup
Mar 3 1864 - d Asc Cnj r Eri
Jul 31 1864 - d Sun Sqr r Eri [Pres. Lincoln killed 4/15/65]
Feb 11 1867 - d MC Sqr r Sun
Jul 11 1867 - d MC Cnj r Asc
Dec 10 1867 - d Sat Opp r Sun
May 7 1868 - d Sat Sqr r Asc
Oct 22 1868 - d MC Cnj r Sat
Mar 22 1869 - d Asc Opp r Sun
Aug 19 1869 - d Mon Sqr r Mon
Aug 19 1869 - d Sun Sqr r Sun
Aug 19 1869 - d Asc Sqr r Asc
Aug 19 1869 - d MC Sqr r MC
Jan 15 1870 - d Sun Cnj r Asc
Jun 16 1870 - d Sat Opp r MC
Nov 30 1870 - d Asc Sqr r Sat
Apr 28 1871 - d Sun Cnj r Sat
Sep 27 1871 - d Asc Opp r MC [Great Chicago Fire 10/8]
Feb 23 1872 - d Sun Sqr r MC
Sep 1 1874 - d Eri Sqr r Sun
Jan 28 1875 - d Eri Opp r Asc
Dec 9 1876 - d Jup Sqr r Sun
Mar 4 1877 - d Eri Sqr r MC
May 7 1877 - d Jup Cnj r Asc
May 21 1878 - d MC Sqr r Mer
Jun 12 1879 - d Jup Sqr r MC
Dec 29 1879 - d Ven Sqr r Sun
May 26 1880 - d Ven Cnj r Asc
Jun 24 1880 - d Asc Opp r Mer
Nov 20 1880 - d Sun Sqr r Mer
Sep 1 1881 - d MC Sqr r Plu [Pres. Garfield died 9/19 (shot 7/2)]
Jun 29 1882 - d Ven Sqr r MC
Oct 5 1883 - d Asc Cnj r Plu
Mar 1 1884 - d Sun Sqr r Plu
Jun 12 1884 - d Mon Cnj r Ura
Jun 18 1890 - d Nep Opp r Sun
Nov 13 1890 - d Nep Sqr r Asc
Aug 23 1891 - d Mar Sqr r Sun
Jan 18 1892 - d Mar Cnj r Asc
Dec 12 1892 - d Nep Opp r MC
Feb 16 1894 - d Mar Sqr r MC
May 24 1896 - d Plu Sqr r Mon
Oct 10 1896 - d Mon Cnj r Mar
Dec 13 1897 - d Mon Sqr r Nep
Aug 24 1899 - d Mer Sqr r Mon
Dec 4 1903 - d Ura Sqr r Sun
Apr 29 1904 - d Ura Cnj r Asc
May 24 1906 - d Ura Sqr r MC [San Francisco quake 4/18]
Apr 6 1908 - d MC Sqr r Mon [Panic of 1907 began 10/22/07]
Apr 28 1908 - d Mon Cnj r Ven
Jan 26 1909 - d Sat Cnj r Mon
Apr 30 1910 - d Asc Cnj r Mon
Sep 23 1910 - d Sun Sqr r Mon
Apr 30 1911 - d Mon Cnj r Jup
Jul 24 1913 - d Mon Opp r Eri [Great Flood of 1913 began 3/25]
Aug 29 1915 - d Eri Sqr r Mon
Nov 21 1917 - d Jup Sqr r Mon [Entered WW I 4/6]
Jun 28 1918 - d Mon Cnj r Sun
Nov 21 1918 - d Mon Sqr r Asc [WW I armistice 11/11]
Feb 21 1920 - d Mon Sqr r Sat
Nov 19 1920 - d Ven Sqr r Mon
Dec 11 1920 - d Mon Cnj r MC
Oct 21 1922 - d MC Opp r Ura
Nov 9 1924 - d Asc Sqr r Ura
Apr 4 1925 - d Sun Opp r Ura
Jun 30 1929 - d Mon Cnj r Mer [Wall Street crash 10/24]
Mar 3 1931 - d Nep Cnj r Mon
Apr 30 1932 - d Mar Sqr r Mon
Sep 14 1932 - d Mon Opp r Plu
Dec 8 1934 - d MC Opp r Mar
Feb 5 1936 - d MC Sqr r Nep
Dec 25 1936 - d Asc Sqr r Mar
May 19 1937 - d Sun Opp r Mar
Feb 21 1938 - d Asc Opp r Nep
Jul 16 1938 - d Sun Sqr r Nep ["War of the Worlds" broadcast 10/30]
Jun 7 1944 - d Ura Sqr r Mon [D-Day 6/6]
Sep 16 1944 - d Plu Cnj r Sun
Feb 8 1945 - d Plu Sqr r Asc [Pres. Roosevelt died 4/12; E Day 5/7]
May 6 1946 - d MC Opp r Ven [Hiroshima 8/6; End of WW II 9/2]
Feb 24 1947 - d Plu Cnj r MC
Nov 30 1947 - d Mer Opp r Sun
Apr 23 1948 - d Mer Sqr r Asc
May 21 1948 - d Asc Sqr r Ven
Oct 13 1948 - d Sun Opp r Ven
Apr 27 1949 - d MC Opp r Jup
May 9 1950 - d Mer Opp r MC [Korean War began 6/25]
May 14 1951 - d Asc Sqr r Jup
Jul 15 1951 - d MC Cnj r Eri
Oct 6 1951 - d Sun Opp r Jup
Jul 30 1953 - d Asc Sqr r Eri [Korean War armistice 7/27]
Dec 22 1953 - d Sun Cnj r Eri
Jun 4 1956 - d MC Opp r Sun
Oct 27 1956 - d MC Sqr r Asc
Mar 23 1957 - d Sat Sqr r Sun
Aug 15 1957 - d Sat Opp r Asc [Sputnik launched]
Jan 24 1958 - d MC Sqr r Sat
Jun 20 1958 - d Asc Sqr r Sun
Nov 12 1958 - d Sun Opp r Sun
Nov 12 1958 - d Mon Opp r Mon
Nov 12 1958 - d Asc Opp r Asc
Nov 12 1958 - d MC Opp r MC
Apr 6 1959 - d Sun Sqr r Asc
Aug 31 1959 - d Sat Sqr r MC
Feb 9 1960 - d Asc Opp r Sat
Jul 3 1960 - d Sun Sqr r Sat
Nov 27 1960 - d Asc Sqr r MC
Apr 21 1961 - d Sun Opp r MC [Bay of Pigs 4/17; Alan Shepard 5/5]
Oct 3 1963 - d Eri Cnj r Sun [Pres. Kennedy killed 11/22]
Feb 25 1964 - d Eri Sqr r Asc
Dec 19 1965 - d Jup Opp r Sun [Broadly, the 1965 Civil Rights Movement]
Mar 12 1966 - d Eri Cnj r MC
May 13 1966 - d Jup Sqr r Asc
May 18 1967 - d MC Opp r Mer
May 29 1968 - d Jup Opp r MC [MLK & RFK murders]
Dec 10 1968 - d Ven Opp r Sun
May 5 1969 - d Ven Sqr r Asc
Jun 2 1969 - d Asc Sqr r Mer [Stonewall riots 6/28]
Oct 25 1969 - d Sun Opp r Mer [Moon landing 7/20]
Jul 31 1970 - d MC Cnj r Plu
May 22 1971 - d Ven Opp r MC
Aug 16 1972 d Asc Sqr r Plu
Jan 8 1973 d Sun Cnj r Plu
Apr 19 1973 d Mon Sqr r Ura
Mar 16 1979 d Nep Sqr r Sun
Aug 8 1979 d Nep Opp r Asc
May 13 1980 d Mar Opp r Sun
Oct 6 1980 d Mar Sqr r Asc
Aug 26 1981 d Nep Sqr r MC
Oct 25 1982 d Mar Opp r MC
Jan 19 1985 d Plu Opp r Mon
Jun 6 1985 d Mon Sqr r Mar
Aug 5 1986 d Mon Cnj r Nep [Challenger explosion 1/28]
Apr 8 1988 d Mer Cnj r Mon [Black Monday market crsh 10/19/87]
Jul 7 1992 d Ura Opp r Sun [LA riots 4/29]
Nov 30 1992 d Ura Sqr r Asc [Waco siege 4/19]
Dec 22 1994 d Ura Opp r MC [Oklahoma City bombing 4/19/95]
Nov 2 1996 d MC Cnj r Mon
Nov 24 1996 d Mon Sqr r Ven
Aug 24 1997 d Sat Sqr r Mon
Nov 25 1998 d Asc Sqr r Mon
Apr 20 1999 d Sun Cnj r Mon [Columbine shootings SAME DAY]
Nov 26 1999 d Mon Sqr r Jup
Feb 19 2002 d Mon Sqr r Eri
Mar 29 2004 d Eri Opp r Mon
Jun 26 2006 d Jup Cnj r Mon
Feb 1 2007 d Mon Sqr r Sun
Jun 28 2007 d Mon Cnj r Asc
Oct 1 2008 d Mon Cnj r Sat [Subprme mortgage crisis 9/15]
Jul 2 2009 d Ven Cnj r Mon
Jul 24 2009 d Mon Sqr r MC
Jun 10 2011 d MC Sqr r Ura
Jul 7 2013 d Asc Cnj r Ura [Hollingsworth v. Perry 6/26]
Dec 2 2013 d Sun Sqr r Ura
Mar 19 2018 d Mon Sqr r Mer
Dec 1 2019 d Nep Sqr r Mon
Feb 4 2021 d Mar Cnj r Mon
Jun 24 2021 d Mon Sqr r Plu
Oct 2 2023 d MC Sqr r Mar
Dec 8 2024 d MC Opp r Nep
Nov 3 2025 d Asc Cnj r Mar
Mar 31 2026 d Sun Sqr r Mar

[Jim Eshelman]

(This is not a conclusive opinion.) I am not impressed with the spot checks I did from a catalogue of events on hand. The contacts aren't usually that clear. The number of critical historic events missed is huge.

This opinion may change if someone takes a more comprehensive list of U.S. historic dates and documents a connection.

[SteveS]

If this Prez election is contested/undecided and causes some kind of constitutional crises or widespread destructive riots, it will confirm to me this timed USA Chart is correct using 3 of the 6 Jayne directional arcs. Because we have a tremendous amount of clustered very malefic arc directions that just so happens to fall on election date is somewhat suspicious, but could just be a coincidence. Here are the malefic directional arcs in play for this Prez election, starting with the standard proven Solar Arcs.
1:Standard Solar Arcs Nov 5 2024 11:59 PM CST:
d Saturn 29,53 Tau
r Mars 29,37 Tau
d MC 00,42 Pi
r Neptune 00,47 Vir
d Vx 21,02 Sag
r Sun 21,30 Gem
• The Vx-Sun arc could be symbolizing a fated incident to do with one of the candidates for President.
2: Jayne’s Vertex Arcs:
d Mars 23,01 Sag
d Neptune 24,12 Pi
r Saturn 23,10 Vir
r MC 23,59 Pi
3: Jayne’s Ascendant Arcs:
d MC 23,01 Pi
d Saturn 22,12 Gem
r Saturn 23,10 Virgo
r MC 23,59 Gem
d Sun 20,32 PI
r Sun 21,30 Gem
d Neptune 29,49 Tau
r Mars 29,37 Tau
r Neptune 00,47 Vir
d Mars 28,38 Aqu
d Pluto 00,47 Lib
r Pluto 05,58 Cap

Remember, we are only using Jayne's 3 of his 6 directional arcs used in his work, the other 3 being "Declination" arcs used for the same above 3 types of arcs. We have no software which can calculate "Declination Arcs" which was actually Jayne's favorite to work with in his massive rectification work he did in his astrological career. But, this piece of directional arc analysis used for this election day really means nothing unless there is a major controversal/malefic event associated with this Election.

Unless I am not understanding something mathematically, these 3 different sets of arcs calculated with different mathematically sets of numbers, are mind blowing to calculate a-lot of the same type malefic planetary/angular symbolism using only the 0, 90, 180 aspect.

[Veronica]

Steve, are using the time listed above of 12:10? My chart shows AC at 27’41 Taurus?

[SteveS]

Yes V, go back to the first post by Jim in this topic, and note the exact chart details Jim is using. I will double check but Jim’s Chart is the one I think I used for these directions I posted. I am away from my computers but will check again when I get home.

[Jim Eshelman]

Yes V, go back to the first post by Jim in this topic, and note the exact chart details Jim is using. I will double check but Jim’s Chart is the one I think I used for these directions I posted. I am away from my computers but will check again when I get home.

July 4, 1776, 12:10:43 PM LAT, at Independence Hall in Philadelphia 39N56'56" 75W09'00".

[Veronica]

Yes V, go back to the first post by Jim in this topic, and note the exact chart details Jim is using. I will double check but Jim’s Chart is the one I think I used for these directions I posted. I am away from my computers but will check again when I get home.

Thanks Steve.
I do see the natal Mars in aspect to the SA MC.

Jim should this date be included in your lists?
I have been plugging away at sorting this list to make it easier to work with, sorting out for example all the Solar aspects from Lunar aspects, or MC aspects from AC aspects to try and give some perspective and see any themes for these dates.

[SteveS]

V, understand all I am doing is testing directions to this USA chart for this election with possible malefic manefestations.

[Veronica]

V, understand all I am doing is testing directions to this USA chart for this election with possible malefic manefestations.

Oh I gotcha on that.
Your initial post here with the Nov 5th date didn’t jump out at me as a date Jim listed initially so I needed clarification as to what time you ran. I had just been exploring the data here, felt it was better for me to sort it into cycles to see if I could make better heads and tales of the potential meanings of Solar Arcs.

[SteveS]

V wrote:

…felt it was better for me to sort it into cycles to see if I could make better heads and tales of the potential meanings of Solar Arcs.

I understand V. Solar Arcs and other Arc types discovered by Charles Jayne are very reliable prediction cycles, only when you have a very accurate timed radical chart. As you can see with all the malefic Arcs I listed above which are ganging-up on Nov 5th Election Date, I want to test em for a possible malefic storm with this Prez Election.

[Veronica]

V wrote:

…felt it was better for me to sort it into cycles to see if I could make better heads and tales of the potential meanings of Solar Arcs.

I understand V. Solar Arcs and other Arc types discovered by Charles Jayne are very reliable prediction cycles, only when you have a very accurate timed radical chart. As you can see with all the malefic Arcs I listed above which are ganging-up on Nov 5th Election Date, I want to test em for a possible malefic storm with this Prez Election.

Well Steve with the absolute lack of showing for Venus and Jupiter it certainly seems like what Americans are feeling is very ill, some with a virus and some with a bacteria, those true arch enemies of eukaryotic beings. I suppose I shall start self medicating with lotsa roses and garlic. As a human being, an evolved eukaryotic being, I can do things like make a choice in how I behave.

[Arena]

Seems like other sites are using a time later in the day, after they had worked during the day and came out to "declare" to the people after everything is written and agreed upon... but then again it wasn't signed until August 2nd ... right?

People are using a time around 5 pm for July 4th. Astrotheme says 16.50 and astro.com says 17.10. These angles will be quite different from this chart at noon.

I wonder what it would be for August 2nd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_o ... dependence


Added: info from Wiki.

[Arena]

Further info;
Only a few delegates signed on July 4th.
The majority signed on Aug 2nd.
https://declaration.fas.harvard.edu/blog/signing

The Harvard article is worth reading.

So, when was the Declaration of Independence signed?

Spoiler: NOT ON JULY 4TH.*

[SteveS]

So far with most of my tests for this USA chart, it does not prove to me we have a valid USA chart, and I think Jim's past historic tests are telling him the same. What I am doing with the Solar Arcs and Jayne's Vertex & Asc Arcs is testing further this USA chart. If nothing very malefic happens with this Prez Election, it will help further confirm to me we may not have the true USA chart discussed in this topic.

[Jim Eshelman]

Actually, Steve, that's not my conclusion. This is a fabulously responsive chart.

I have no idea whether it is responsive to solar arcs: I merely compiled the list for others to check (and we don't know if we can expect it to be responsive to directions).

Also, it was never intended to be for the signing, but for the decision to adopt it. Or, rather, it is based on responsiveness to events and then it was discovered that what happened at that moment is that they broke for lunch after voting to adopt it. An 1851 issue of Harper's (celebrating the 75rth anniversary) reported:

At a little past meridian on the Fourth of July 1776, a unanimous vote of the thirteen colonies was gien in favor of declaring themselves free and independent states.

[Arena]

Please read the article from Harvard, both of you.
Signing is a good measurement for when something has indeed become an event.

When we get married, it isn't when we decide to do it or propose that an event chart gets created, it is when the formal wedding and signing papers are done. Same with buying a house. Same with most anything. It isn't until majority signs that it is actualized.

[Jim Eshelman]

That's a theory. (A popular one.) But it's just a theory. This chart is solidly confirmed by major events (especially transits and progressions for precision timing) and also describes the character of the nation and it's people brilliantly.

[SteveS]

Jim, I don't see this timed USA Chart responsive to Solar Arcs and in my studies Solar Arcs are should pick-off major life events with an accurate timed chart, but maybe you are right and mundane charts are just not responsive to Solar Arcs with major events, which seems strange to me. I think most of your work with this chart with events has been with secondary progression which if memory serves me has proven itself.

[Veronica]

Seems like other sites are using a time later in the day, after they had worked during the day and came out to "declare" to the people after everything is written and agreed upon... but then again it wasn't signed until August 2nd ... right?

People are using a time around 5 pm for July 4th. Astrotheme says 16.50 and astro.com says 17.10. These angles will be quite different from this chart at noon.

I wonder what it would be for August 2nd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signing_o ... dependence


Added: info from Wiki.

What an interesting theory Arena, it is of course easy to see you as a cancer resonating more with another Cancer Sun sign. It is so hard to remove our own natural synastry biasis from these sort of things isnt it.
You dont have "good" synastry with the USA chart which comes off in most of your posts on the subject readily.
My father was a history teacher for years so I'm very familiar with this information you presented, so it's not shocking that all to me. I guess you'd really just have to live here to feel out the difference, but we are most definitely a Gemini sun country, built to have to right to conduct our commerce, and could give a hoot about being queen bee on the world stage.
Steve, I think these SA actually are very discript of our countries unfolding character. I'm working on separating this list out and correlating the data better with historical events but If you take the time to look at for an example the SA hits of only Venus to Angles, and it progress over time, our countries Birthday showsvery strongly as the true chart of the formation of a new country.

[Arena]

You're funny V.
This Harvard article has nothing to do with my own chart or my synastry with anything. Not at all. It's possible to find synastry with both charts. I simply find it very interesting and the fact is that the declaration wasn't fully signed until this date. Country charts are a bit difficult to deal with precisely because of this - if it isn't totally clear when a declaration is signed, then the chart isn't clear either.

[SteveS]

This will be a great test for these two glaring Secondary Progressed Neptune aspects below-- calculated to Nov 5 2024 for this USA Chart, they are so precise for the immediate environment for this Prez Election. Secondary Progressed MC at 00,42 Pi 180 to r Neptune at 00,47 Virgo is actually a major “Life Development” Solar Arc hit. Time will soon tell if this double whammy of Neptune is going to manifest for Prez Election 2024.

Jim wrote:

Times in the 12:10 to 12:11 range (LAT) have performed exceptionally well by transit and secondary progression over the years. For precision of the chart, we are especially interested in the angles.

sp MC 00,42 Pi; r Neptune 00,47 Vir
sp Moon 04,03 Pi; sp Neptune 04,16 Vir

[Arena]

How about the solar arc hits?

[SteveS]

Arena wrote:

How about the solar arc hits?

Not sure exactly what you are asking Arena. Both Jim and I with our tests are not overly impressed with solar arc hits to this chart which perplexes me somewhat, but we have a great test coming up with this 2024 Prez Election a Solar Arc MC Neptune hit. I have already listed all the arc hits (including Jayne’s Asc & Vx arcs) involved with the election. Understand the secondary progression of MC 180 r Neptune is actually a Solar Arc MC because the standard progression method most astrologers use for progressed MC is:

“Sec Prog SA in Long”