DC's 5 Degree Leo REGULUS Conjunction

[SteveS]

I have been doing a-lot of research work with 15 Tau Ingress pertaining to the Dow lately, and I awoke this morning with this thought: Since Regulus (5’ Leo) has a-lot to do with kings/leaders, the 5-degree DC Leo Regulus conjunction may offer the Sidereal Astrologer a read on what the Prez may encounter for the solar year of the 5 Leo DC Regulus conjunction. This 5 Leo was mentioned by Fagan as some type fiducial star by the ancients, but, imo, since Regulus partile cnj 5 Leo and is the closest star to our ecliptic, and having to do with ‘kings’/leaders—well—you get the picture. I have felt there is so much hatred toward Trump, it would not surprise me if he was assassinated in office or, that he would die in office due to his age/health problems. So, the first 5 Leo DC Regulus conjunction I rolled out was for JFK who was assassinated in Nov 22, 1963. Below is a link to 5 Leo DC Regulus conjunction 1963 (inside wheel) and JFK’s relocated DC Natal (outside wheel). Note: Mundo Mars partile cnj 5 Leo DC Dsc AND JFK’ s relocated DC Asc. Also, personally, I find it interesting this potent angular 5 Leo DC Mars partile 90 Boyd’s USA Sun. My appetite was obviously whetted. To be continued with Abe Lincoln’s and Trump’s DC 5 Leo ingress.
http://imgur.com/a/gE8h6

[Jim Eshelman]

Man, you're on a roll!

One request: Let's not call these "ingresses." That means "to go into something," e.g., a sign entry. (I probably shouldn't even call the mid-hub charts "Octal Ingresses," but haven't come up with another term yet.) There is a long mundane astrology tradition of using "line crossings" (like where orbits intersect) or conjunctions (and other aspect cycles) as forecasting charts, so perhaps just call this the Regulus conjunction?

And that was my other theoretical question - In theory, do you want to use 5° Leo itself to test (meaning 5°00'00" Leo), or Sun's conjunction with Regulus? It's hard for me to grasp why the round degree would be meaningful. At least with 15°00'00" hub, there is a mathematical property (Navamsa-natus convergence) that peaks there, so that it isn't connected to Albebaran as such; but there is no similar structural element at 5°00'00" Leo.

Fortunately, Regulus is one of the stars that Solar Fire calculates to the second of arc. That makes possible the experimentation of Sun-Regulus conjunctions. And I find it interesting that you are starting with the relationship of the Regulus chart to America's version of "kings."

So, the first 5 Leo DC Ingress I rolled out was for JFK who was assassinated in Nov 22, 1963. Below is a link to 5 Leo DC Ingress 1963 (inside wheel) and JFK’s relocated DC Natal (outside wheel). Note: Mundo Mars partile cnj 5 Leo DC Dsc AND JFK’ s relocated DC Asc.

Though I see why this would catch your attention, let's check Regulus itself. In Solar Fire, on a chart for Kennedy's assassination, click Pages, then, under Stars, pick "Star listing - large list." This says that Regulus, for the assassination, was -- oops, I was wrong, Regulus is not one of the stars given to the second of arc. (Dang it!) The most we know is that Regulus was at 5°05' Leo.

OK, as long as I've come this far, I'm going to finish out the thought. On August 22, the date of the Sun-Regulus conjunction, Sun moved 0°57'49", so it would move 01' in 25 minutes of time. Calculating a chart for sun at 5°05'00" Leo means (since we don't know the second of Regulus' position) we would be plus-minus 25 minutes of time (0:24:54) of the right chart. The Sun-Regulus conjunction is not that different from the 5°00'00" chart you showed, since the Mars-Jupiter conjunction (plus Moon) are still foreground, now square MC. Unfortunately, we are plus-minus 0:25 of the right time, or about plus-minus 6° on the angles, so we can't tell for sure.

For Washington, the Sun-Regulus conjunction squares Ascendant, which is quite interesting.

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

Man, you're on a roll!

I am pushing that envelope Jim. And my current SLR mundo Mercury partile cnj SLR Asc 1,56 square Uranus is a tremendous help in pushing that envelope. Ebertin says about Mercury-Uranus:

…a person engaged professionally in the study and application of rhythmics, cosmobiologist.

Also t. Jupiter cnj my n. Mercury helps, as well.
Below is DC’s 5 Leo Sun conjuncting Regulus 1864 preceding the assassination of Abe Lincoln on April 14, 1865. Note Mars partile 90 Sun, with Sun partile cnj MC in altitude. Saturn partile 90 Boyd’s USA SUN. This Ingress falls under Jim’s ‘outstanding incident’ return guideline:

It is when angularity and aspect partility coincide that outstanding incidents are most likely to come about.

Obviously, the ‘outstanding incident’ symbolized is with the angular Sun (leaders) partile 90 Mars (attack-assassinated).
http://imgur.com/a/FPYyh

[Jim Eshelman]

For comparison, calculated for actual conjunction with Regulus, which at the time was 5°06' Leo, gives 2:23 PM, plus-minus 25 minutes or so. The same Sun-Mars exists, but background. Neptune is closely angular. A Moon-Saturn opposition is close.

What I find most interesting in the Kennedy and Lincoln examples is that one has Mars at 22° Virgo, and the other has Saturn at 22° Virgo - in both cases highlighted. This is interesting because it hits one of the most crucial and relevant features of the U.S. natal chart:

21°31' Gemini Sun
21°55' Virgo Asc
22°14' Gemini - relocated MC (Washington)
23°11' Virgo Saturn

[DDonovanKinsolving]

Just estimating the lunar progression in the Kennedy Regulus chart, doesn't that put prog. Moon very near Mars?

Also, I believe you can include stars as points and have SF calculate the conjunction. I seem to recall I've done that (and with Regulus specifically, too!).

Can't help with this too much today. The local astrologers guild is having a pool party this evening.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

You can add stars to an astro.com chart.
Regulus is at 5 Leo 05:01 in a chart drawn for July 14, 2017 @ 3PM in Omaha with sidereal ayanamsa=24°59'07 (Fagan/Bradley)
As a check, Spica is 29 Vir 06:03 in the same chart.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

According to Astro.com, chart dor August 22, 1963, Noon, Washington DC,
Ayanamsa (fagan-bradley) - =24°13'57
Regulus - 5° Leo 5'10"
Spica - 29° Vir 5'53"

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

What I find most interesting in the Kennedy and Lincoln examples is that one has Mars at 22° Virgo, and the other has Saturn at 22° Virgo - in both cases highlighted. This is interesting because it hits one of the most crucial and relevant features of the U.S. natal chart:

Yes, it is most interesting, I guess, probably explains why these two assassinations deeply affected the country as a whole vs Garfield and McKinley assassinations. Fagan writes:

This proves that the Egyptians and Babylonians measured their longitudes from the Pleiades in 5 Taurus, Aldebaran in 15 degrees Taurus, Regulus in 5 Leo, and Antares in 15 Scorpio.

I have never seen Fagan source the above quote, I am curious.
Derek wrote:

Can't help with this too much today. The local astrologers guild is having a pool party this evening.

Have fun Derek, and cheers.

[Jim Eshelman]

According to Astro.com, chart dor August 22, 1963, Noon, Washington DC,
Ayanamsa (fagan-bradley) - =24°13'57
Regulus - 5° Leo 5'10"
Spica - 29° Vir 5'53"

If that's correct, then the Sun-Regulus conjunction occurred at 9:53:19 PM CST. In Dallas:

22°34' Virgo Mars
24°57' Pisces Jupiter
26°21' Sagittarius MC
(Moon-Mars conjunction 2°45')

For Washington:

5°05' Leo Sun-Regulus
7°28' Taurus Asc
Neptune 0°50' from WP

[Jim Eshelman]

This proves that the Egyptians and Babylonians measured their longitudes from the Pleiades in 5 Taurus, Aldebaran in 15 degrees Taurus, Regulus in 5 Leo, and Antares in 15 Scorpio.

I have never seen Fagan source the above quote, I am curious.

He was speaking in round numbers. As these stars are not whole-degrees apart, it couldn't have been true to the minute, only to the degree.

And I'm sure he never found an ancient statement that this was so (no "smoking gun papyrus"(, he simply observed that these were the longitudes that these stars held. He did demonstrate, in Astrological Origins, that Aldebaran was correct to the minute 15°00' Taurus during a critical period of Egypt's heyday.

[SteveS]

Thanks Jim.
Gandhi assassination.
1947 5 Leo Regulus Conjunction.
Mundo Saturn partile New Delhi Asc, Saturn 1,20 cnj Pluto. Enough said, probably the saddest the nation of India has ever been in it's entire history.
http://imgur.com/a/nXYn3

[Jim Eshelman]

If this pattern continues this strongly, do you have a theory as to why a round-degree value in the middle of the sign that does not mark anything actual would behave this way? (Actually, if forced to come up with one, I have one available... but it's ghastly, and I'd rather see if you have something percolating rather than say it at this point.)

[SteveS]

I have no idea Jim. The only thing that may explain to me the round degree of 5,00 Leo would be if Fagan was influenced by reading an ancient source, but until proven, I have to go with your read--no ancient source.

[DDonovanKinsolving]

Don't forget that there were FOUR Royal stars: Regulus, Aldebaran, Antares and Fomalhaut.

[Jim Eshelman]

Don't forget that there were FOUR Royal stars: Regulus, Aldebaran, Antares and Fomalhaut.

I've read that so many times, but I recall nothing in the whole of Fagan or Gleadow astro-astronomy that actually signaled any relevance for Fomalhaut in ancient zodiacs. Aquila is a much better "fourth," but it seems to have fallen in a night zone. The setup of Antares rising, Aldebaran setting, and Regulus on MC is much more reasonable (with special relevance to Sirius and Spica falling out in the meantime).

[Jim Eshelman]

According to Astro.com, chart dor August 22, 1963, Noon, Washington DC,
Ayanamsa (fagan-bradley) - =24°13'57
Regulus - 5° Leo 5'10"

OK, easier than I thought: In Solar Fire, you can add Regulus as a User Defined Point, and the Reports page then gives its longitude to the second of arc, just like the planets. It agrees with the above exactly.

[SteveS]

Probably the most popular Queen in England’s History, Elizabeth 1, the Virgin Queen. If you have not seen Cate Blanchett’s two movies—Elizabeth (1998) & Elizabeth; The Golden Age (2007), I highly recommend these two movies. My favorite scene in the ‘The Golden Age’ is when John Dee, the astrologer, advises Elizabeth with an important Moon-Mars clue how to defeat the Spanish Armada. Don’t know if it was true account, but as an astrologer, I would like to think so.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=qu ... rgin+queen
Elizabeth death, March 1603.
5 LEO Regulus conjunction 1602, London. Note: Mundo Venus (Queen) partile cnj MC, New Moon, with Moon partile 120 Pluto, partile 60 Mars for par-excellent symbolism for death. Also note, Venus entering Virgo 'the Virgin.'
http://imgur.com/a/gEFx4

[Jim Eshelman]

Except... trines and sixties have shown themselves to have little-to-no importance in ingress charts, despite the occasional (rare) example to the contrary. We might aspect that these fixed star conjunction charts, if valid, behave similarly. I wouldn't want to rest a proposed new tool on a dubious foundation.

[DDonovanKinsolving]

I've read that so many times, but I recall nothing in the whole of Fagan or Gleadow astro-astronomy that actually signaled any relevance for Fomalhaut in ancient zodiacs.

Yes, Fomalhaut don't get no respect anymore. But it is the "tradition," which doesn't make it right or meaningful. Just something to keep in mind. Maybe a surprise awaits.

See "Royal stars" in Wikipedia.

[Jim Eshelman]

There's always seemed something fishy about Fomalhsut

[SteveS]

Jim wrote:

I wouldn't want to rest a proposed new tool on a dubious foundation.

Agreed, even if valid, what good does it do a sidereal astrologer, since none of em belong to the inner circle of a king/leader . I may pay more attention to these charts if Trump loses a close love person in his family between Aug 22, 2017 and Aug 22, 2018, based solely on 5 Leo chart with 5 Leo Venus 1,40 cnj 5 Leo Dsc, partile cnj his n. Venus, 1,55 cnj his n. Saturn. And 5 Leo Saturn partile cnj his n. Moon and tight cnj his n. Sun. Par-excellent symbolism for losing a love interest.
http://imgur.com/a/9eRrE
However, I do believe the examples I presented offer valid angular symbolism with other prominent symbolism for the events with the 5 Leo charts, but only for leaders who impact their world’s in a huge way.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

There's always seemed something fishy about Fomalhsut

[DDonovanKinsolving]

I have created a .fst (Fixed Star) file from Solar Fire and am trying to include it as an attachment. However, I get an error message that it is an invalid extension. Any suggestions? I'd rather do this than give instructions about creating one.

-Derek

[Jim Eshelman]

Zip it. By which I mean, a zip file will upload.

[Jupiter Sets at Dawn]

I checked.
.zip files are accepted.

[DDonovanKinsolving]

Thanks, guys.

Will try again in a few hours.

-Derek

[DDonovanKinsolving]

Here is a Fixed Star file with Regulus, Aldebaran, Antares and Fomalhaut. Unzip it to your Points & Colors directory. On the SF main screen, make it your default Star File.

On the Dynamic Transits box, make the Sun the active planet (if you don't already have a Sun-only file, make one) and Royalstars the transit extra points file. Select Transit-to-transit (only).

Make Harm1 the aspect set. Set the start date and time range. Save this definition to its own file so you can come back to it later.

Run and you get a list of Sun conjunctions. Double-click on any line on the list to get its chart. Solar Fire has a special way of designating the stars, but it's apparent by longitude which is which.

RoyalStars.zip

[Jim Eshelman]

On the Dynamic Transits box, make the Sun the active planet (if you don't already have a Sun-only file, make one) and Royalstars the transit extra points file. Select Transit-to-transit (only).

Thanks. One problem, at least in SF 8: Though I can set the default Star file under Chart Options | Files | Fixed Star Files (it appears, it can be selected), it does not appear under Dynamic | Dynamic Report Selection in the Point Selection | Extra field. Other star-related .etp files appear there, like the usual default, Starbrdy.etp, but not the new one.

[DDonovanKinsolving]

I thought I left out a step. Things have been discombobulated the last several days, so I'll have to review.