W'S 08 SSR

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:19 pm

Being an election year we have been focusing on charts of the candidates but I would like to point out a very DYNAMIC situation with W’s 08 SSR. There are five Solar Planets in the immediate foreground: ME/MO/MA/SAT/PL! There is a very tight mundane square with setting PL and IC/SAT. Solar Moon is applying to conjunctions with Solar MA&SAT which will set up progressed Paran Quotidian Hits during the Solar Year. Top this off with an immediate foreground Natal Mars (his reaction) with transiting Saturn applying to a conjunction to Natal Saturn---this 08 SSR by far is the most dynamic SSR of his eight years of office. The only mitigating aspect (that I see) involving his 08 SSR is a transiting Jupiter partile square his natal Moon and a 3 degree separating opposition to his Natal Sun. The main Natal configuration mirrored on his 08 SSR is his tight foreground Natal ME/PL/ASC.---is emphasized with an approaching foreground ME/PL opposition with his 08 SSR. If this ME/PL emphasis is symbolizing by ‘being backed into a corner’—then we could see some dramatic scenes. At the very least, this ME/PL emphasis, symbolizes intense dramatic communications. Granted, this nasty dynamic SSR could only manifest in a personal/private manner—not involving the world or our country—we have to allow the possibility of dynamic country/world (economic/mundane manifestations) situations involving this SSR!

Since we know we have a AAA rated birth time—proved by W’s SQ Paran Quotidian Hits of 9/11 and 1/20/05, I think W’s 08 SSR would be a good example to discuss in this Forum pertaining to Sidereal Astrology. It is very rare to find astrological configurations involving a high public figure featuring dynamic configurations before they happen!

N.B. Chart provided on old site, but link was not available [DS].

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Thu Mar 13, 2008 6:14 pm

LOL, the chart is really simple: Transiting Saturn on the IC (not far from natal Mars). Transiting Pluto on the Descendant. Meaning: You're out, mofo! Sayonara. It's over. If you self-destruct, please don't make a mess in the front hall.

Of course, that's the real question, isn't it? Whether he'll find a way to make an even bigger mess as he disintegrates. The Moon-Mars conjunction broadly in the foreground, the involvement of natal Mars in the picture, the Mars-Saturn conjunction being in orb (and Mars = Moon/Saturn) - this is the chart of someone not only damaged, but setting out to cause damage, to break things. One might only hope that the scope of his own damage (e.g., falling ratings) will make that more difficult in the 313 days (almost to the minute) that remain in his term of office.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Sat Mar 29, 2008 9:25 pm

Today, March 29th, 2008, I read a headline newspaper article ‘Iraqi offensive seen as risky for U.S.’ W. says “I would say this is a defining moment in the history of a free Iraq.”

Fagan states in ‘The SoLunars Handbook’: “The most dreaded of all dual transits are those of the malefics, Mars, and Saturn…..Whatever natal planet they impinge upon they corrupt or destroy…”

W 08 SSR features a dual angular transit of Mars/Saturn applying (conjunction) to Natal Mars.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Thu May 22, 2008 3:17 pm

As W’s 08 SSR approaches, the price of gasoline keeps spiraling upwards. W could be faced with a USA domestic (4th house MO/MA/SAT) crisis on his hands pertaining to gasoline prices. The timing of this possible domestic crisis, with media frenzy, appears to have two hot spots within his Solar year. One in the month of July backed by a featured foreground MA/SAT partile conjunction, with his July 9th SLR. However, the Jul.9th SLR features a partile T-SQUARE SU/JUP/MO which should soften the brunt of the MA/SAT.

The second crisis timing point in his 08 SSR, is in Jan. 09. W’s Jan. 4th 09 Demi SSR features the “same fundamental symbolism as the operative (conjunction) Solar Return”. There is a setting Paran conjunction of MA/PL with SAT. opposing UR in the foreground. Also on Jan. 4th 09 W will experience a progressed Partile MO/SAT. There is also a MO/MA Q1 Quotidian Hit on the 4th of Jan 09. These Q1 Paran Quotidian Hits occurs on the superior MC angle. Jupiter offers some mitigating influence with a 135 aspect to the MO/SAT quotidian Paran hit. W’s combined Demi and Quotidian Hits on Jan 4th 2009 has the greatest timing possibility of ‘triggering’ the brunt of his 08 SSR symbolism.

Weather or not W’s 08 SSR will produce any dire events that will manifest through our country remains to be seen. W’S 08 SSR could only be symbolizing negative psychological thoughts experience on an internal private (4th house) level without producing a recognizable timed event experienced by our country. But if we see gasoline making new runaway high prices in late autumn of 08—W’s 08 SSR could be symbolizing a REAL economic/energy crisis (breaking point) with our country. TIME WILL TELL!

I have no computer program that will calculate the PSSR rate and I don’t know how to hand calculate. I would appreciate if someone could give me the date(s) of the Paran Quotidian Hits (PSSR rate) with W’S 08 SSR involving his SSR progressed Moon with his 08 MA/SAT.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:22 am

I would take the headline news pertaining to our country's energy/economic crisis very seriously with W'S approaching DYNAMIC SSR. Also with the tensions involving Iran!

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:26 am

Also the CanSolar features a MA/SA conjunction.

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:35 am

SteveS wrote:
Also the CanSolar features a MA/SA conjunction.

They are about 3°, which doesn't let them both be within a degree of an angle in eclipto; but that's still close enough to probably cause some commotion.

Fortunately, thyey aren't on angles anywhere in the United States except that Mars is on the Descendant for Puerto Rico.

But Mars and Saturn are on the Ascendant on an arc slicing through the middle of China and down through Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia) and a bit of Indonesia. They almost miss Australia, but both catch the western edge, straddling Perth.

Mars and Saturn are much farther apart when on the MC and IC. The IC pass is through Eastern Europe, with Saturn slicing north-south on a line through Poland and former Yugoslavia, and Mars making the slice on a line that exactly passes through Warsaw, Belgrade, and a bit of Greece.

Thankfully, they miss the Mideast entirely.

Their Descendant line passes through the northwestern part of South America, particularly Venezuela, Columbia, and Peru (and the western extreme of Brazil).

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Thu Jul 03, 2008 1:58 am

Jim, when you have the time would you run out the location (world) line on W’S MA/PL Paran, with his DEMI SSR (DC). I am very curious to see what part of the world this Paran involves.

Thanks, Steve

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:19 am

SteveS wrote:
Jim, when you have the time would you run out the location (world) line on W’S MA/PL Paran, with his DEMI SSR (DC). I am very curious to see what part of the world this Paran involves.

The Mars IC line slices through Miami - draw a line on the map straight north-south through there and you'll have it.

The Pluto setting line curves across Hudson Bay and down near Boston, then off into the Atlantic.

The actual paran - the intersection of those two lines - is in the southern part of Hudson Bay. A visual scan of the map looks like it might exist at about the latitude of London, and scraping across the upper edge of Europe.

It's not raelly very interesting as parans go. For Washington, Mars is 5° off the IC in one direction, and Pluto is 5° off the Descendant in the other - they're 10° from exact mundane aspect. Saturn, o nthe other hand, is within a degree of the IC for DC.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:57 am

Thanks Jim--got another one for you---if you see anything worth commenting.

Just finished watching a DVD movie, ‘Across The Universe’, that stirred my soul and moved it back to THE REVOLUTION. I highly recommend this movie to all the souls who were Campus Age in 1965—1968. During this revolutionary time period UR/PL was partile conjunct/ecliptic (off & on) for most of this period. I never will forget a couple of years (70’s) after I began my passionate study of astrology; I was reading the principle meanings of planetary combinations from Ebertin’s book ‘The Combination of Stellar Influences’, which was written before THE REVOLUTION. When I got to the principle of UR/PL it read:

“The process of transformation. (The collapse of the old order of things, the construction of the new). Revolution.”

This absolutely blew my mind when I pulled out the Ephemeris and found UR/PL conjunct (65-68) during the REVOLUTION that was occurring on the planet. This powerful conjunction absolutely transformed our consciousness and turned us into Rebels, Outlaws, and Revolutionaries in our own ways. This Revolution only affected a certain age group (campus age) and we rebelled against everything pertaining to the establishment, particularly the Vietnam War. I have often pondered why this planetary combination seemed to only affect Britain and America. The only explanation I could muster was simply because America was involved in a War. Since Jim pointed out the technique of planetary world lines in this thread, this made me think during the movie, maybe there was a world line involved that connected Britain & America during the Revolution. Also I was thinking when the actual mundo conjunction occurred?? Just thinking out loud. Anyway, it is a brilliant directed movie—be sure to watch the extras—very good!

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:44 am

Love the movie.

Which mundo conjunction? There are literally infinite possibilities (for example, the range of the latitudes at which they were rising or setting together across time). We could calculate the various aright ascension conjunctions, but that's, at most, half the picture.

The heliocentric conjunction occurred January 7, 1966 at 22°33' Leo - which is one way of measuring the central center point of the long-term effect.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:55 pm

Which Mundo Conjunction?

Jim, I asked you the wrong question. I should have asked of the possibility of a mundo conjunction of UR/PL on an angle (preferably the MC) involving one of the Capsolars/Cansolars set for DC; which, would help explain why this conjunction manifested so powerfully in this country compared to the rest of the world.

I am sure you have worked with some of the different charts of the US. Do you have a favorite? Or do you find little reliability in any of the US charts? Steve

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:47 pm

SteveS wrote:
Jim, I asked you the wrong question. I should have asked of the possibility of a mundo conjunction of UR/PL on an angle (preferably the MC) involving one of the Capsolars/Cansolars set for DC; which, would help explain why this conjunction manifested so powerfully in this country compared to the rest of the world.

Run the Capsolars for DC through that whole period. You'll find Uranus-Pluto on the angles every year.

I am sure you have worked with some of the different charts of the US. Do you have a favorite? Or do you find little reliability in any of the US charts?

The "shortly past noon" Saturn-rising chart for July 4, 1776 still can't be beat (12:14:42 PM LMT, Philadelphia). It doesn't always deliver what you think it should, but it out-delivers all the others for most things.

An interesting point generally not known: Until Lincoln was President, the country regarding it's fouding as the date of the Constitution. Lincoln needed legal precedents he couldn't find in the Constitution, and had to go back to the Declaration of Independence for the declaration of principles. His Getty'sburg Address was one of the key speeches that rerouted attention to the Declaration and moved the country into regarding 7/4/1776 as its founding.

This year's SSR for that chart occurs in the last few seconds of July 7. It has Pluto 3' from the Midheaven (!) and an 8' Moon-Uranus opposition across the horizon. Change, anyone?

[David Stanton]

Jim stated: "Run the Capsolars for DC through that whole period. You'll find Uranus-Pluto on the angles every year."

Jim, I have very little experience with CapSolars. On a ‘WOW’ meter using a scale of 1-10, how do you rate the UR/PL on DC’S angles for this time period as explaining before the fact, where on earth this REVOLUTION would have taken place??

Thanks a TON Jim for offering your chart for the US!!

Jim stated: "This year's SSR for that chart occurs in the last few seconds of July 7. It has Pluto 3' from the Midheaven (!) and an 8' Moon-Uranus opposition across the horizon. Change, anyone?"

VERY INTERESTING!!this post data happening near/on the calendar birthday (4th) of the US.

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Fri Jul 04, 2008 7:29 pm

[Internal quotations omitted. [DS].]

The Capsolar is the one master chart of the year. It can't get more specific and directed than that! On a 1 to 10 scale, it's an 11

[David Stanton]

by mquellas on Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:38 am

Looks as if we need to consider W's SSR location -- Toyako, Japan (note: NOT Tokyo) 42N34 140E49 -- where he is for this year's G8 meet.

SSR MC = 22 Vir 25, ASC = 28 Sco 24, effectively a near flip of the horizon from Washington, so Pluto rises, bodily only 6 Minutes above the ASC, with Mercury 1 deg. 18' Below the Desc. W's natal Moon-Jupiter at the MC. Damn! Of course he will be using the MO-JU "used car salesman" all over the place.

This also brings up the oft-used (IMNSHO BS) magickal thinking of being at a "vacation/location" for your SSR to make it all better for the year -- a location that puts "good influences" foreground and minimizes "bad influences". While I will certainly concede this might work for a person accomplished in magickal thinking and behavior, I do feel that we all have to go back to our day-to-day routines and work the year out "at home", so to speak. 'T ain't easy to hold on to the subtle flavor of the SSR "cushion" through a whole year of crap.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:16 pm

With the state of our country’s economy, particularly with the run away prices in the oil market, I am concerned with W’S symbolism pertaining to his Q1 progressed SSR Moon, coming to Paran Quotidian conjunctions with his SSR Mars & Saturn, on the progressed SSR MC—the superior angle in early Jan. 09. I look upon this as a potential lethal time period that could have ramifications for the country. It has been my experience the progressed SSR Moon is in a category by itself when it comes to timing important events. Case in point, during W’S eight years of office, he has/will experience only three Quotidian Parans involving his progressed Q1 SSR Moon and his progressed SSR MC. 1: Q1 progressed Moon/IC with his natal Saturn dead on his progressed SSR MC, on 9/11! 2: Q1 progressed Moon/IC with his SSR Jupiter on his progressed MC on Jan 20. 2005—Inauguration! Both these two Quotidians were events that directly involved the country. 3: Stay Tuned—early Jan. 09!
Another auspicious timing synchronicity is his Dynamic 08 SSR DEMI; timed for the same time as his Q1 progressed MO/MA/SA Quotidian-Jan. 4th 09. Of course we don’t actually know where he will be located on Jan. 4th 09, but if Matthew is correct on his take ‘it doesn’t matter where the pres is—he is always tied in to the location of DC’—then the location doesn’t matter. But this only applies if the potential event itself is directly related to the country—which remains to be seen—only TIME will tell us.
Jim, using your Birth Chart of the US and its 08 Q1 progressed SSR, on Jan 4th 09 we see a flip flop of PL moving from the MC to the IC, partile square Q1 progressed SSR Moon. Could indicate some powerful heavy emotions pertaining to the people of the land. Will be very interesting to see if this proves out to be another timing synchronicity. If so, will offer credence that you are damn close with the CORRECT TIME of the US CHART! It seems I remember Fagan rectified many natal charts by using the progressed SSR Moon.
As far as I am concerned the gold and oil markets are my main clue as to the future. Ever since the gold market has been turned into a commodity it has become the best crisis indicator pertaining to the world at large; but, NOW the oil market has supplanted the gold market as indicating potential future crisis for the world at large. As long as these two markets keep going up they have very high probability of discounting a potential crisis event in the future. Remember our correlation with Saturn’s transit through sidereal Leo. This is a valid indicator that gold is going higher! IF, these two markets are discounting the future NEWS of some type of world crisis, we may see this crisis line up with the above astrological symbolism. How high is the price of oil going to go before it tops? If a news crisis does occur in the future which cause panic buying in oil and gold then we will be very near the top and the smart money who bought long ago will sell there huge profits into the panic buying. This has always been the nature of markets for major tops and bottoms.

[David Stanton]

by DDonovanKinsolving on Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:08 pm

SteveS wrote:
With the state of our country’s economy, particularly with the run away prices in the oil market, I am concerned with W’S symbolism pertaining to his Q1 progressed SSR Moon, coming to Paran Quotidian conjunctions with his SSR Mars & Saturn, on the progressed SSR MC—the superior angle in early Jan. 09. I look upon this as a potential lethal time period that could have ramifications for the country. It has been my experience the progressed SSR Moon is in a category by itself when it comes to timing important events. Case in point, during W’S eight years of office, he has/will experience only three Quotidian Parans involving his progressed Q1 SSR Moon and his progressed SSR MC. 1: Q1 progressed Moon/IC with his natal Saturn dead on his progressed SSR MC, on 9/11! 2: Q1 progressed Moon/IC with his SSR Jupiter on his progressed MC on Jan 20. 2005—Inauguration! Both these two Quotidians were events that directly involved the country. 3: Stay Tuned—early Jan. 09!

A National Security Assessment over a year ago concluded that Iran was no nuclear threat. The Bush administration was quiet for a while, then began the drumbeat again, typically with unubstantiated charges and pointing the finger (accusing Iran of doing in Iraq of what U.S. is actually doing in Iran, like training sabateurs and staging terror attacks). From those quarters reporting that Bush is still hell-bent on starting a war with Iran (and maybe declare martial law and complete the destruction of the Republic), the general opinion is that he could do it anytime, but most likely after the election but before the inauguration.

I'd been meaning to ask whether anyone had done any astrological work on the timing, if war were to happen. SteveS, you may have nailed it!

A question please, while my computer is out for repair: What are the specific orbs, dates and involved angles for the MO-MA-SA parans?


Regards,
Derek

P.S. (Jim: Edit this out if you deem it inappropriate.) I find the podcasts from http://www.antiwar.com the most truthful and informative discussions of what's going on. Main Stream Media is woefully inadequate for putting things in context. All that time, and put to so little good use!

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:08 am

Derek, it seems inconceivable to me that W would begin a war in the 1st week of Jan. 09 with him ending his responsibility to the country on Jan. 20th with the inauguration of a new prez. The Q1 progressed Moon/Saturn on his SSR Quotidian of 9/11 was a reaction to what happen to the country. The Q1 progressed Moon/Jupiter on his SSR Quotidian of 1/20/05 was again a reaction to the formality of the country’s inauguration. In both cases this was a significant event on a day not controlled by him. What concerns me is the prez. going to have to react in early Jan. pertaining to an event to the country; outside his control? If this reaction has something to do with panic buying in price of oil threatening the country’s economy—it could involve some type of war action. The best thing we can hope for is he packs his bags early around the holidays and goes back to his cowboy ranch in Texas and does not have to return to DC. This would move the harsh symbolism off the angles of his Quotidian and Demi. and greatly reduce the likelihood of a major event happening involving the country. Another possibility is the major event could happen involving personal matters with his immediate family—not the country. I am just going with the very dynamic symbolism pertaining to his 08 SSR and Fagan’s brilliant techniques.

As far as the timing you asked about; IF an event should occur, it should manifest between Jan 1st-Jan. 7th 2009, with Jan 4th being the most likely day of the event. But when it comes to exact figuring of the math involving quotidians, I am not sure.

Thanks for your question and observations, Steve

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:47 am

This appears to be what you're asking...

The SQ Moon (Q2 rate, but it doesn't really matter within the few months involved) has the following aspects of especial note:

conj s Mars 10/24/08
conj SQ Mars 10/30/08
conj s Saturn 12/23/08
conj SQ Saturn 12/24/08

None of these occur with the involved planets on the SQ angles. The only one of even slight interest in the batch is 12/23/08, the date of the first Moon-Saturn conjunction, when solar Neptune is on the SQ IC.

The PSSR maturation will occur approximately 20% sooner but, in each case, will have the same angles as the SQ on the respective dates of maturation - so, again, there is no convergence of the maturation of the lunar progressions with quotidian angularity.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:43 pm

Thanks Jim, my computer does not calculate the Q2 rate. Since you have started your Forum, you have told me the Q2 rates are just as important as the Q1 rate and have given me instructions on how to function the Q2 rates into SolarFire. Since I am somewhat illiterate pertaining to programming, I am awaiting a visit from a friend to help me program the Q2 rate. I have absolutely no experience with the Q2 rate but certainly take your word they are just as important as the Q1 rate. Since you have pointed out the Q2 rate does not involve any of the up-coming quotidian angles with W’s 08 SSR, then this leaves us with the Q1 rate which does, with serious symbolism, involve the quotidian angles in early Jan. Since my only experience is with the Q1 rate, and I know the Q1 rate has calculated, to the exact day, important events in W’s life as prez; then the Q1 rate in early Jan. involving the quotidian angles needs to be monitored. I certainly don’t want to see the symbolism of the early Jan. quotidian angles manifest pertaining to the country, economically. The country has enough economic problems NOW! As I stated previously, I hope W packs all of his bags for the end of the year Holidays and goes home to Texas and will not have to come back to DC in early Jan. This will move the early Jan. harsh symbolism off his quotidian angles involving the Q1 rate. I may not have stated this with the correct technical words pertaining with Fagan's writings--you may want to clean it up and explain with different/correct wording--but I think you understand the point I am trying to make pertaining to W's early Jan. Paran Quotidians of his solar mo/ma/sa configuration by progressing his 08 SSR.

Jim, you really got my attention when you pointed out the 65-68 CapSolars and the revolutionary conjunction of UR/PL was on DC’S angles for each year during this time period and rated this as an 11 on the WOW scale of 1-10. Since I have little experience working with CapSolars, I have some follow-up questioning. In your book ‘Interpreting Solar Return you stated: “This, then, isolates the Moon as the most crucial agent in a Solar Return, after the angles. Lunar aspects to natal and solar planets can never be treated lightly, even when rather wide in orb. So remarkable is this single factor that, if lunar aspects are nearly exact while the foreground planets are not exceptionally close to the angles, the solar Moon can be considered the primary theme-setter of the chart for the year ahead, bar none.” Since a CapSolar functions as a yearly chart set for a specific location—Would you apply the same principles as the above quote pertaining to the solar moon with a CapSolar set to an important location?? Would appreciate your thoughts.

[David Stanton]

by Jim Eshelman on Tue Jul 08, 2008 3:52 pm

The Capsolar Moon is definitely the most important factor after the angles - possibly more important in some respects, because, unlike an individual with a Solar Return, the world is "everywhere in the world" for an ingress, and the zodiacal aspects exist in all locations.

Q2 is trivial to handle - it's just what would normally be called Secondary Progressions: One mean solar day = one sidereal year.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:00 am

The movie ‘Across the Universe’ sent my mind back to the revolution in the 60’s and started me thinking about my life after the 60’s. I am going to offer a unique (lucky) experience that happen to me in 1976 that I think is very relevant to the world we live in now. When I left college after 5 glorious years (did not graduate—did not open many books), I went to work for a small company (remote rural area) in 1971. Early in 1976, the stockholders told me to take charge of their corporate monies and pension fund. I told them I had absolutely no educational background for investing money. The stockholders told me the account executive at Merrill Lynch had produced net losses for the last 3 years, and since I was the only employee of the company who had a college education (Ha), they wanted me to take a shot with their monies. This was a huge burden for me! I already had my hands full with the responsibilities they originally hired me to conduct. The first thing I did was to call the account executive at Merrill Lynch, and told him if he did not find me someone to educate me on successfully investing money, I was going to lose my job and he was going to loose the account! He told me he might be able to connect me with a person who could help both me and him. A couple days later he called me and said he had made me an appointment with a retired (84) Admiral. When I met him he asked me many questions. His first question was what kind of education did I have—I told him hell raiser 101 for 5 years in college. He had a big laugh over this and said GREAT—I will be able to teach you something. He told me to meet with him for the next 8 Fridays between 9-11 AM. I had to drive 150 miles round trip to meet with him. I look back on his teachings today and realize he was a very wise man when it came to World Affairs and was well connected. One of the meetings I had with him was entirely about what he considered the most strategic/economic/military place on the globe, the Strait of Hormuz! He told me if this Strait was to ever fall into control of an enemy the entire western economies would be very vulnerable to a potential financial crises. He told me the Strait was very shallow at one point in the shipping lanes. He said if 2-3 large ships were strategically sunk at the right place it would completely block oil from getting to the West. I have no way of knowing if this is true but I figured him being an Admiral—he should know. I think he commanded an Air Craft Carrier at one time through these straits. If you have never eyeballed this place on a map or globe—just find Iran and Saudi Arabia and look at the Persian Gulf and find the Strait of Hormuz. He also told me if an enemy ever detonated a small nuclear device on these straits it would shut these straits down for a long time and cause a worldwide financial panic to our economic systems. At the time he was telling me this—I basically-- completely ignored him. I think at this time the US had a friendly pulpit running the country of Iran. Needless to say my eyes and ears are now wide open to any news pertaining to Iran! I think Iran is W’s main objectives for the rest of his time in office. He certainly does not have a SSR that speaks of a successful conclusion to his objectives with Iran. Last week I heard on the News, Iran said if Israel and/or US attacked them—they would shut the Strait of Hormuz down! I don’t know if this news is true or not—but if I was playing in this poker game and if I thought Iran was bluffing me I would still fold my hand—couldn’t take the chance they already had a small nuke. I consider this as being the highest stake poker game to ever be played in the world after the Admiral told me this 32 years ago. The Admiral told me I would probably live to see many wars in the Mideast involving the US and may live to see WW111. The Admiral told me there was absolutely no way the US and their partners in the West could economically survive without the Mideast Oil. I think the present day news concerning Iran and the US is the main force behind the escalating oil prices. The Cowboy’s 08 SSR scares me. I want to go to sleep and wake-up and see him out of office with the oil still flowing through the Strait of Hormuz. An interesting link:
http://uk.reuters.com/article/burningIs ... 4320080708

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:44 am

This comes from the front page headline news item, Friday July 11 2008.

HEADLINES: 'Iran again tests missiles; U.S. issues warning'

..."Condoleezza Rice was speaking in the former Soviet republic of Georgia at the end of a three day tour of Eastern Europe. Shortly after she spoke, state run media in Iran began reporting the new missile test, which it said included a relatively new torpedo...

I underlined the word torpedo in order to emphasize what the Admiral told me in 1976, pertaining to 2-3 ships being sunk in the shallow Straits of Hormuz in the narrow shipping lanes, which he said, 'would shut down the Straits'. The state run news agency in Iran, on Jan. 7th (one day after W’s birthday) said 'if Israel and or US attack them--- they would shut down the Straits of Hormuz'. Let the rhetoric of the war games begin. W's 08 SSR features an angular SSR MARS & NATAL MARS.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:06 am

More astrological discussion pertaining to W’s 08 SSR:

As I have mentioned in this thread W has some potent Q1 quotidian formations in the first week Jan. 2009. But, it should clearly be understood, these quotidians can only have a high probability of manifesting into a significant event if he is in DC the first week of Jan. He can be somewhere else besides DC, but he has to go back to DC during the first week of Jan. in order for certain quotidian symbolism to be angular. If he is not in DC in the early Jan. time period--- the following analysis is worthless!

It is very rare for a group of astrologers (Solunars Forum) to be able to track important astrological symbolism in real time pertaining to a President and the World Stage at large. In fact, I believe this is the first time an astrological discussion, such as this, has ever been conducted in a public Forum pertaining to a potential major event with the President/Country. Most astrologers only write about major events after the fact and most astrological magazines will not even accept sidereal articles pertaining to its techniques.

I think we all agree there are very serious issues facing our nation; a deteriorating economy, Oil prices that are spiraling out of control, many large financial institutions facing insolvency, and War rumblings between US/Israel and Iran. Because Fagan students have been taught when both a natal and solar planet appears in the foreground of a SSR, special attention should be paid to that planet; in W’s case that planet is Mars, the ruler of War. The week following W’s 08 birthday there was headline news of war talk between Iran and the US. I don’t believe this is a mere coincidence. I believe this is a valid timing synchronicity reflecting the Mars symbolism in W’s 08 SSR. In this case we should take any headline news pertaining to war with Iran seriously. W’s SSR Mars is conjunct SSR Moon and SSR Saturn but there is some mitigating help with SSR Mars partile 135 SSR Jupiter. Hopefully, this Jupiter influence will prevent and all out war. Iran is afraid they will be attacked because they have stated their intentions of producing the ingredients for nuclear weapons. W is applying pressure on Iran to stop there nuclear capability—So far, W’s pressure tactics with Iran is not working. Iran has stated if attacked they will shut down the Strait of Hormuz. Israel seems to be indicating if W fails to prevent through Iran from producing nuclear capability, they will take matters in their own hands and attack Iran. No matter what the truth—there is a-lot of serious Mars chatter surrounding W’s SSR. If there is going to be a Mars/War event, W’s quotidians will have a high probability of calling the event to the exact day, only if he is in DC the first week of Jan. 09. The main reason of this high probability is W’s SSR Moon will form SQ1 progressed partile conjunct quotidian hits with Mars & Saturn-- leading up to a SQ1 Paran Quotidian conjunction of progressed SQ1 MC/MO/MA/SAT in early Jan. Progressed SQ1 Moon hits involving SQ1 Parans is the most powerful configuration that I know exists in sidereal astrology. They are rare but when present they have high probability of producing major events. Another HUGE timing synchronicity is W’s NQ1 on Jan. 3rd features a partile square of MA/MC to progressed NQ1 Moon. Put this together with the potent MC/MO/MA/SAT SQ1 Paran Quotidians on Jan. 3rd and you increase the probability of a major event. I was taught by a siderealist, who I have a deep respect for, who says when potent SQ1 symbolism appears he likes to see similar strong NQ1 symbolism appearing on the same date in order to produce a significant event. This is certainly the case with W’s SQ1 and NQ1 in early Jan, and presents high probability we will see an event if W is in DC the first week of Jan. It should also be noted W’s NQ1 on Jan. 3rd has what could be a mitigating effect with W’s Natal Jupiter sitting dead on W’S Jan. 3rd NQ1’S MC. Because W’s natal Mo/Jup conjunction is featured in the immediate foreground of his Jan. 3rd NQ1—this could be indicative of W being brought before the public in a BIG way pertaining to the potent symbolism of his Jan. quotidians. Angular natal factors are also indicative of how one reacts so W may be saved or protected from the potent inharmonious symbolism of the Quotidians. W’s Jan. 3rd NQ1 also features a rising transiting Pluto in Paran (13:05) formation with his Jan.3rd NQ1 MC/MARS (13:07). On Jan. 4th W’s SSR Demi begins and features a setting Paran conjunction of Mars (23:04) and Pluto 23:06)—so we have a double whammy of Paran combinations of MA/PL with his Jan. 4th Demi and his Jan. 3rd NQ1 Quotidian. Fagan states: “It is our belief that important events in life are shown on more than one map.” Jim has taught that in certain cases the day of the Demi will act as a ‘triggering effect’ to bring out the symbolism of the SSR, provided there is similar symbolism on the Demi as the SSR. I can certainly vouch for this Demi ‘triggering effect’ because recently my Demi timed to the exact day kicked off of my SSR symbolism, both showing tough symbolism. The same siderealist I mention above has taught me that transiting factors are often seen with quotidian events—in this case transiting Pl is featured with W’s NQ1 Mars on Jan 3rd. If my memory serves me, I think there was a progressed Q1 MA/PL featured on the 2001 Can Solar in NY on 9/11. There is also a rotational square of SA/PL on W’s 08 SSR. Very dynamic symbolism involved here with a lame duck president in the last few days of his presidency—Very strange and curious.

Since W has both his SSR Mars and Natal Mars foreground on his 08 SSR, I think a good way to monitor the possibility of a Mars event is to see if tensions escalate with Iran when the W’s progressed SSR Moon enters its partile conjunct with progressed SSR Mars. This begins in early Oct.

W’s NQ1 progressed Moon enters its partile square with progressed NQ1 Mars on Nov. 20th. It is very rare to see a Q1 progressed Moon enter partile phases with the same planet (Mars) from both the SQ1 & NQ1 within six weeks of the same year. Realizing the progressed Q1 Moons are in a class by themselves when forming partile ecliptic and/or paran aspects this should be fairly easy for the sidereal astrologer to monitor to see if the Jan. quotidians will have high probability of producing a major event. If there is to be a major War event then we should clearly see headline news reflecting escalations of war tensions with Iran beginning in early Oct, increasing in intensity to the end of the calendar year. If we don’t see this escalation process with these two progressed partile moons with mars in this time frame then I seriously begin to doubt this analysis pertaining to a major event of war will happen.

The only other example I know of pertaining to a MO/MA exact quotidian aspect with a US President is the one cited in the ‘Primer of Sidereal Astrology’, Chapter X1, ‘Progressions of Solar Planets’, Example 11:

“In the solar return of President Kennedy for 1962 the Moon is applying to the conjunction of Mars. When will this aspect mature?...5:30 AM GMT, October 2, corresponds to 11:30 PM, October 1, at Oxford, Mississippi, on which the campus riots took place resulting in the death of two people. The President had indeed taken vigorous action.”

“The first edition of the Primer, written in April 1961 (note this is before the campus riots happen), stated, with reference to this aspect (MO/MA page 58):”

“The ordinary man under this configuration may become a target for criticism to which he will react strongly even to the point of losing his temper. In the map of a national leader the aspect may well work in the mundane sphere and cause a vigorous reaction. Here could be a dangerous period.”

I may be wrong but I think this Kennedy example did not involved an angular ecliptic or Paran hit. I think it was only an exact maturation of the progressed moon to mars conjunction. I do not have Kennedy’s birth data. In W’s case we are talking about angular quotidian hits, involving Parans in early Jan. Sound the Jaws Movie theme music.

I am sure I have overlooked other symbolic features with W’s various maps. I ask other members of this Forum, to join this discussion with their opinions and offer their sight with their own methods and techniques.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:42 pm

W spoke to our country last night 9/24/08 at 9:00 PM EDT. Looking at his SQ1 we see the ominous feature in his 08 SSR of MO/MA/SA on the SQI Ascendant. SQ1 Saturn was bodily on his ASD. If the economy continues to deteriorate and if this bail out for Wall Street does not work, look for a possible crisis point to be reached when his SQ1 brings his SSR MO/MA/SA to the superior angle of the MC in the first week of Jan. O9.

[David Stanton]

by chrys333 on Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:52 pm

Sorry. Not clear on this. What do you think will happen after he is no longer president in Jan '09?
Something will become public that will make his tarnished reputation more tarnished?
Thanks,
chrys333

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:34 am

W’s 08 Sidereal Solar Return (SSR) clearly indicated some difficult times within his Solar Year (July 6th 2008-July 5th 2009 by the methods of Fagan’s astrology. With both his SQ1 & and NQ1 Moons approaching partile aspects—under one degree ( SQ1 Conjunct SSR Mars & NQ1 Moon Square with NQ Mars) before the end of this year was indicative his SSR Symbolized difficulties had a high probability of manifesting while he was still the sitting president till Jan. 20th 2009. It now appears his SSR difficulties are manifesting with the economy and the bail out of Wall Street.

His 08 SSR featured an angular (IC) MO/MA/SA conjunction-- a very nasty combination. Last night when W spoke to the nation about the financial crises occurring with our banking system-- the progressed rate of the SSR brought this nasty combination to his SQ1 Ascendant. My limited experience with the SQ1 rates—particularly with SSR progressed Moon forming partile aspects on the angles are very event orientated. This same combination occurs again in the first week of 09 on the superior angle of the MC with his SQ1 but with much more clout because the combination forms Parans which is the most powerful aspects know in astrology (Fagan’s teachings). Also, in the first week in 09 W’s NQ1 features an angular (MC) Mars partile square NQ1 Moon; and a demi SSR that features a MA/PL Paran. The first week of 09 is a dangerous period for W-- ONLY IF HE IS IN DC! If he does not have to be in DC during this period—then all the above angular quotidian/demi SSR hits will not occur on the angles! Since this is a holiday period there are good chances W will not be in DC. We need to pay close attention to the headline news that is occurring in the last two weeks of Dec. This will allow us a clue to see if W will have to address some type of crisis situation. Hopefully Wall Street and the economy will improve—psychologically, and the Wall Street bail out will work Many of the old (wise) big money players are saying this bail out is highly inflationary which means we will see Gold/Silver at new highs in 09—if not sooner. There are three Jupiter/Neptune conjunctions in 09 and Jupiter/Neptune is a supreme planetary combination that psychologically causes Inflation with lots of wild speculation. The eclipse in July 09 features a conjunction of Jupiter/Neptune and the shadow of this eclipse runs through India & China which are very HOT growing economies. This could cause a huge speculative bull move in the precious metals market with the money players of these two countries. Back before there was a Global economy when America sneezed the rest of the world economies caught a cold—now the shoe is on the other foot—the other world economies sneeze and America catches a cold. Case in point there has been a tremendous amount of demand coming out of India & China pertaining to oil which has driven the price of oil sky high. If the economies of India & China EXPANDS (Jupiter) in 09 creating increased demand for oil (Neptune) and certain food products—America will feel the effects with another round of commodity inflation. Time will tell!

This is what I think will happen (economically) after W is no longer president. If anything dire is going to happen with W after his term ends--it will be seen in the headline news. If he is still making headline news after his term ends-- it definitely will not be good based on Fagan’s teachings with his 08 SSR!

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:17 pm

“We are closer to the end of this problem than we are to the beginning” Henry Paulson. U.S. Treasury Secretary, on the country’s economic troubles, as the credit crisis enters its ninth month. May issue of Time Magazine.

Five months later the credit and banking crises continues to worsen and appears to be an immediate, massive problem for W.

“The only zone where the dollar’s value matters to us is the purchase of oil.” Newt Gingrich. This reminded Arthur Katz of the old joke: “Except for that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:09 pm

“It would be possible for me to select any number of examples to “prove” my theorem, that Solar Returns are magnificent predictive tools.” Jim Eshelman, ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’.

Thanks Jim! Your book ‘Interpreting Solar Returns’ is the most important book in my astrological library.

[David Stanton]

by SteveS on Sat Nov 29, 2008 10:52 am

gmugmble wrote:
“I'm sort of an internet anti-troll. Instead of trying to provoke pointless arguments, I try to incite people to share their wealth of experience. It rarely works, though.”

I will be glad to share my astrological experience pertaining to my own definition of DYNAMIC SSR’S (DSSR), which was derived/inspired by Jim’s book—‘Interpreting Solar Returns.’ I only have a few examples of DSSR and in due time will post them. Understand, ALL SSR’S from an ACCURATE birth time offer pertinent information to the astrologer but a DSSR is a rarity which (by my astrological experiences) produces an ‘outstanding event’ relative to the environment of the native. Also, an astrologer cannot predict the precise outcome of an ‘outstanding event’ foretold by a DSSR, but a DSSR can damn sure forewarn/forearm an astrologer to high probabilities with either impending dangers or good fortunes, depending on the symbolism of the planets.

“…instead of trying to provoke pointless arguments…” I sincerely understand what you mean. However-- in Jim’s case with his/this SoLunars Forum he has the responsibility to protect the integrity/truth of the ORIGINAL teachings of the Father(s) of Sidereal Astrology. Jim has probably spent more time than the combined members of this Forum in researching, studying, and proving the astrological truths of Fagan’s and his colleague’s Sidereal teachings. I never consider Jim’s arguments pointless—besides this is Jim’s Forum and he has the right to choose and argue a point/statement with anyone.

Regards, Steve