Solunars by Aldebaran Sidereal Academy

Rings asked:

It does indeed seem like you have a 6th sense or some type of divine guidance for this. Is there anything in your chart currently reactivating an interest in Gann?

Indeed!!!! It’s my current SSR (Sidereal Solar Return). Double whammy of Uranus with a major Jupiter transit to these two Uranus’s in April 2024. Are you educated with the methodology of SSR’s? Do you want to post or PM me your birth data so we/Jim could discuss?
Rings wrote:

AI gives SUCH an edge right now for anyone who has to do research through a ton of data. If I knew how to program it, I would surely be using it more for this type of research.

Do you have any other direct contacts with serious minded Gann researchers? I am retired and have tons of time but am old (76)---if so I could contact em for further questions particularly about AI with possible historical prices stuff, but have doubts about this--but you never know until you start asking guestions.
Rings wrote/asked:

And on an unrelated side note, THANK YOU for having legible handwriting on your chart!!!! Is that a Virgo thing?

lol, that chart came from one of my many cut-outs which I presented to the board of directors in a 3-4 stockholders meetings with one of those portable old- timey flat- bed screen projectors. I am now in the process of trying to see if the old now defunct company files are anywhere where ALL of my stockholder presentations on the Gann material were stored---I have many doubts about this issue but thought I would give it a try. I am also going to go over some (not all) of the copies of the old minutes of these meetings. I have some copies of the old cut-out daily price charts with other important Gann Date tops/bottoms---I will eventually post.

SteveS wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:36 am lol, that chart came from one of my many cut-outs which I presented to the board of directors in a 3-4 stockholders meetings with one of those portable old- timey flat- bed screen projectors. I am now in the process of trying to see if the old now defunct company files are anywhere where ALL of my stockholder presentations on the Gann material were stored---I have many doubts about this issue but thought I would give it a try. I am also going to go over some (not all) of the copies of the old minutes of these meetings. I have some copies of the old cut-out daily price charts with other important Gann Date tops/bottoms---I will eventually post.

I will be looking forward to seeing anything you share!

I have sent you a private message also.

Rings wrote:

I will be looking forward to seeing anything you share!

I love sharing what I have learned with like-minded people (astrologers). I learned a long time ago—the more I teach/share-- the more I learn, and I am so glad we are sharing/learning these Gann things together. Let’s flow with it and see where it takes us.
Before I forget, I want to share with you the most important tool in my astrological tool bag for 40 years of studying astrology. It comes from Jim’s book (70s) “Interpreting Solar Returns” (ISR) where he states:

Partile aspects (1 degree orb or less) reign supreme. Aspects at this high (partile) level of potency are apt to manifest no matter what. It is when angularity and aspect partility coincide that outstanding incidents are most likely to come about.

I equally like to substitute for Jim’s words “outstanding incidents”---out of the ordinary incidents. Make sure you understand we are only using 0 90 180 aspects, and also very important an angular partile aspect in a SSR (Sidereal Solar Return) can be with angular SSR Planets or a SSR Planet with a Natal Planet. I personally like to see "outstanding incident" harmonious aspects with a SSR planet to a natal planet, it really brings out the natal planet. For example: In my current SSR I have an “outstanding incident” aspect Moon-Mercury and it is indeed firing-off with for my current solar year. I will learn something new with our Gann discussions. Here is the expression of my “outstanding incident” Moon-Mercury aspect in my current SSR:
SSR Nadir: 16,48 Leo
SSR DSC: 16,48 Scorpio
SSR Mercury: 15,06 Leo
Natal Moon: 15,22 Scorpio
Rings for your current SSR, you have two “outstanding incidents” aspects:
SSR/Natal Sun: 28,45 Virgo
SSR Node: 29,48 Pi (Not quite partile but close enough)
SSR Mercury 26,49 Virgo
Natal Node 26,20 Pi
I don’t know what yet—but you and I should learn some new Gann stuff for our new solar years. If you learn one new thing about Sidereal Solar Returns, I encourage you to learn Jim’s “outstanding incident” method. I have been using Jim’s “outstanding incidents” SSR/SLR method for many years with my friends, family, and few clients, and they absolutely see/know its value.
I will end this post with some more words from Jim’s book ISR:

A SSR is the basis of the most powerful forecasting system presently known to astrological technology. I also encourage you to try to obtain Jim’s ISR book which at times can be difficult to obtain. Jim is the most intelligent astrologer I have ever had the pleasure of studying his teachings.

BTW, we may get to witness last friday's "outstanding incident" Mars-Jupiter NYSE SLR (Sidereal Lunar Return) manifest with the best SLR gain for the calendar year. Time will tell.

Rings, here is another one of my daily chart cut-outs for Gold (link below). Where my last cut-out showed where the two major tops and one major bottom occurred on Gann Dates in 1980, the link below will show where again two major tops and 1 bottom occurred on Gann Dates in Gold for 1981. Let me know if you have problems viewing this chart image, or questions.

https://ibb.co/KG7WkcF

Jeez Rings, after pulling out all of my Gann personal research material from the mini storage facility from 45 years ago, I don’t know where to begin. What I would like to do is start with the exact presentation I made to the Board of Directors with the Gann Dates after they voted and approved me researching and analyzing how the Company could make good profits with their Investments & Pension Fund. This presentation in the late 70s was my best of the best I had to offer anyone after my conclusive analyzes. This presentation contained 20 years of cut-out daily charts from 1955—1975 in the Soybean Market which showed a couple of dozens of Gann Dates, many being the exact top or bottom for an entire calendar year. My efforts for finding this exact presentation I think is now lost forever, I still have one more shot of locating these old company files. But, I do have dozens of old cut-outs with many different commodities in the 80s/90s after I had left the company and periodically doing some personal trading with the Gann Dates, showing the same phenomenal exact Gann Dates calculating yearly highs/lows to the exact day. I am going to eventually post links to all of these Gann Dates, hoping maybe you or some other young person out there will come across my research which could help them or their family if versed and trained in the world of trading or with stock investing.
Rings, I just located an article from a lady (Phyllis Kahn) about Gann which I think will interest you. I will try to post a link to it later which I hope I can produce through my I-phone camera. It was Phyllis who put me in contact with Billy Jones right after he bought out Lambert-Gann Publishing Company. It was this chance reading of this article that was actually responsible for me being able to sell the Company’s Gold Stock Portfolio on its exact day of its Index Top (Sept 24 1980) after seeing an exact Gann Date top in Sept 1980 in the Commodity Market. This was after my chance meeting with the Admiral in Aug 1976 who was responsible for making the Company a pile of $ by investing heavily in Gold Stocks. After this happened one of the stockholders motioned in a Board meeting that I make another presentation to the Board with the same daily Gold Charts I have already posted, they were hooked . I did make a shorter presentation to the Board on the daily Gold Charts, I think in Jan 1982 but can’t remember for sure. I left the Company in mid-1982 but was talked into coming back to the Company in 1985 after the Company got into a financial jam. Anyway, after pulling out all of this Gann material my old mind is being flooded with the memories of my Gann glory days back in the 80s. You joining this forum with your Gann interest has been like a breath of fresh air for my old soul, thanks.

Jim wrote:

(Primarily Steve's call since this is his long-term thread for a different purpose.)

Jim, I was going back through this thread and just saw your post above. Everything the way it is happening now is with me. Thanks for asking.

Rings, here is link of first page of Gann article, but I don’t think you will be able to re-size and read on your end. I really don’t know what I am doing with this I-phone snapshot then putting it in a link. On this end when I click the link the print is too small to read but when I have it in Windows Photo View I can read the larger print. I need more specific instructions to be able to do this procedure right way, since I have no experience doing this except with astrology charts. Rings, let me know if you can read, and I will send the other 3 pages of the article.

https://ibb.co/Z1LzGj4

I have lots of Gann material to put into link-- any help would be appreciated.

Probably too soon to know for sure but it appears to me the NYSE began some kind of very bullish Mars-Jupiter cycle with its daily bottom last Friday Nov 27. If so, should have good % of at least testing its all-time high at app 37,000. Need to be on alert for one of Gann’s 2 year anniversary test of all-time high for first week of 2024. This week was the best weekly gains since Nov 2022. For sure we can clearly see the “outstanding incident” Paran Mars-Jupiter Nov 27 SLR influencing the NYSE this past week. Market took-off with the News Media full of War News last week---typical oversold market going up with bearish news in the media. Its like Gann taught: Markets are govern by Natural mathemactical laws/cycles.

Steve - great call on that Mars-Jupiter paran. Do you think that this current rally will extend until the 2 year anniversary date top of January 5th?
I had heard of W.D. Gann ages ago but never pursued his material at the time. But you have now prompted me to go down the rabbit hole to learn more. His ideas have definitely attracted a wide assortment of characters who spent years trying to decipher his publications. One Australian investor wrote a lengthy piece of how he got involved with Gann. You can Google "20 years of studying Gann" to find his PDF scattered around the web.
Also thanks to RingsOfSaturn22 for that link to Bonnie Lee Hill's website. I came across it 20 years ago and was surprised she is still updating it.

Regulus wrote:

Steve - great call on that Mars-Jupiter paran. Do you think that this current rally will extend until the 2 year anniversary date top of January 5th?

Thanks Regulus, no way I could have recognized this "outstanding" market event without Jim’s specific definition for “outstanding incidents” return charts. I give the DOW at least a 50% chance of testing the all-time highs. If we see this test we need to pay close attention to the 2 year anniversary date of Jan 6 2022. Gann said 2 year anniversary dates tops/bottoms were important to watch for double Tops. And, Jan 6 2024 is a Gann Date on his Master Charts. The Oct 27 Mars-Jupiter Paran “outstanding incident” SLR proves to us the NYSE has a soul of its own and is swayed by the Spirits of Planetary Forces at certain times, no different than us with our charts. It also help proves to us Pythagoras was speaking the truth of the matter with his words: “TIME is the soul of everything in this World.”
Regulus wrote:

I had heard of W.D. Gann ages ago but never pursued his material at the time. But you have now prompted me to go down the rabbit hole to learn more.

Be very careful Regulus---it’s a mighty deep Rabbit Hole . When I went down that Rabbit Hole back in the late 70s I lucked-out by hooking-up with an astrologer/excellent tarot reader who told me if I focused only on the dates with Gann’s Master Charts it would be a rewarding experience and I would figure out how to trade/invest with these dates. I did exactly what she told me to do with some deep research with daily price charts and was stunned how these dates were turning markets on a dime, this knowledge became invaluable to me in many more ways other than making $. I will eventually post many more examples of the Gann Dates calculating yearly tops/bottoms in the market place to the exact dates.
Regulus wrote:

His ideas have definitely attracted a wide assortment of characters who spent years trying to decipher his publications.

Exactly Regulus, and as far as I can tell with ones I came into contact with-- none of em paid any attention to the Dates on his Master Charts, WHY?
Regulus wrote:

One Australian investor wrote a lengthy piece of how he got involved with Gann. You can Google "20 years of studying Gann" to find his PDF scattered around the web.

Thanks Regulus, I will definitely do this!
Regulus wrote:

Also thanks to RingsOfSaturn22 for that link to Bonnie Lee Hill's website. I came across it 20 years ago and was surprised she is still updating it.

I have not checked her site out yet, but will definitely do so. Thanks Regulus for your feedback, it truly is appreciated.

Just finished reading a free PDF on the internet labeled: “20 years of Studying Gann.” IMO, whoever wrote this may have had good intentions for helping other people with Gann interests in a very broad generalized manner, but it is basically worthless as far as helping the serious Gann student with any specifics for making profits in the marketplace.

I have just scanned Bonniehill’s web site with a ton of Gann Info (link below), I am impressed but it would take me a-lot of time to look/analyze this site for any potential worth with my opinions. If any Gann student has already gone through this site with a fine tooth comb, I would be most interested if anything on Bonnie's site speaks directly about Gann’s Dates on his Master Charts. Thanks

https://bonniehill.net/pages/w.d.gann.html#articles

As I'm sure you know, Tuesday is the next tipping point. I'm not sure there is anything to tip at the moment, though.

Jim wrote:

As I'm sure you know, Tuesday is the next tipping point. I'm not sure there is anything to tip at the moment, though.

I defintely would not expect this Tuesday to be a tipping point, but I did just discover (SSR Uranus-Mo-Me OI) ) a very important new revelation 20 miuntes ago for my mind with the following:

OK, this link https://bonniehill.net/pics.aux/gann/Forecast1929.jpg proves to me Gann in Nov 1928 DID NOT have the means to predict exactly when a date in the future to its exact day would produce a Major Top or Bottom. Note: Gann predicted Aug 7-8 1929 as the exact Top for the Dow in 1929, a Gann Date from his Master Chart but for sure if a trader in a futures market tried to use this Aug 7-8 1929 Date, he would have suffered bad losses. This is why I have been saying: A trader who learns how to use certain Gann guidelines combined with certain reliable technical indicators can learn easily how to profit in the futures market with very low-risk to high-reward trades or with options with Gann Dates, all it takes is a lot of patience waiting on Gann Dates to conform to guidelines/technicals. I will eventually post my specific guidelines/technical for easily identifying with very high % when a true Gann Date will become active, they are very simple. But first I have to show everone all these Gann Dates from all my cutouts daily price charts to prove conclusively these Gann Dates are KEY. I have a friend coming-up Thanksgiving who is a Geek in certain computer things who says he can show me the right way to take photos with my I-pad of any Gann material I have and posting in a link on the forum where everyone will be able to read clearly.

BUT, the Investor who was riding the tremendous Bull Market in the 1920’s would have cashed-out his long positions in Stocks based on Gann’s prediction for a Major Top on Aug 7-8 1929---this Gann prediction would have been invaluable. What I need to confirm for my mind is reliable documentation with Gann’s words if he indeed did predict the Crash for autumn of 1929. By looking at his chart from his newsletter--he did not predict a straight-down crash in autumn of 1929. I may have this documentation in my retrieved Gann stuff from my storage unit—don’t know for sure—it’s been 45 years since I was last into Gann’s material with my expense account research. Also anybody who was following Gann’s Newsletter: “Scientific Service Inc.” in Nov 1928, who knew how to take advantage of shorting Stocks on Aug 7-8 1929 would have reaped huge rapid profits with the Crash in the autumn of 1929. This one simple newsletter by Gann tells me a-lot about certain real truths/falsehoods about Gann the Legend but I don’t have time to explain thoroughly now. As with most famous Legends we deal with half-truths.

Always remember this axiom: For a true Gann Date to have a chance of becoming active in a major way—it should be making new yearly highs or lows!!!! This computes to the present DOW---new highs above the Gann Date of Jan 6 2022 all-time high and/or new lows below the autumn lows of 2022. One exception: If we see retests of Major Tops or Bottoms as a 1, 2, 3 year anniversity date on the same Gann Date that calculated the top/or bottom. For example: If the Dow is testing the all-time high made on Jan 6 2022 (Gann Date), on Jan 6 2024 with the right technicals, this would have high % for activating another Gann Date for low risk to high reward gains with certain trading vehicles.

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:23 am Jim wrote:

As I'm sure you know, Tuesday is the next tipping point. I'm not sure there is anything to tip at the moment, though.

I definitely would not expect this Tuesday to be a tipping point...

I mean that in the sense that I've started thinking of these Gann dates as tipping points provided there is something to tip. (To get all Midwest for a moment, it's like the universe goes out cow tipping which, however, first requires some sleeping cows in the field.) That idea seems to converge all the various things you have been saying: It's not that the Gann dates actually cause anything, except that if dominoes are lined up just right, these dates will knock one over.

Also, I'm not just interested in this for economic reasons. I'm quite interested in spending at least a year to see if geopolitical dominoes are tipped on these dates. Of course, one has to have something on edge and unstable ready to be tipped over, but there is plenty of that in the world right now! (Have you been watching the sunspot and solar storm activity? We're approaching a sunspot maximum over the next year, but the solar eruptions this cycle are far outpacing historic patterns.)

OK Jim, I think I now understand where you are coming from with the words “tipping point.” Like on Nov 7 2021 (going by memory which fails me at times) the DOW top while making new all-times highs, but it was not THE TIPPING POINT for the Dow, only a quick violent reactionary correction. Then the DOW quickly made new all-time highs with the FINAL tipping point on Jan 6 2022 (Major Top from an all-time high price standpoint, but the Dow did not close on the weekly charts above the Nov 7 2021 highs. So, this coming Nov 7 we could get a quick reactionary correction in price, if so, and if I was still set –up the way I use to be trading I would buy like a quick 500-600 point correction but with only what I was hearing from a floor broker in the market I wanted to buy---those days are long gone—no more inside floor data to make final decisions for Gann Dates. The main clue for me is the “outstanding incident” Mars-Jupiter Paran for the Oct 27 SLR. This tells me we are more than likely to have a prolonged expansive increase in prices—no different than when I have an “outstanding incident” SLR hit me—it has more of a prolonged effect with its planetary symbolism. Back in the old days I would have bought before the close on Oct 27 probably already taking 50% of my profits out of the market I was playing and then placing a break even stop order on the other 50%. In other words I would let the other 50% ride—at least until this Oct 27 SLR expired. For sure, with the “out or ordinary” increase in prices last week—no damn way would I lose money on a buy for the OI Oct 27 SLR in the NYSE.

Also, I'm not just interested in this for economic reasons. I'm quite interested in spending at least a year to see if geopolitical dominoes are tipped on these dates. Of course, one has to have something on edge and unstable ready to be tipped over, but there is plenty of that in the world right now! (Have you been watching the sunspot and solar storm activity? We're approaching a sunspot maximum over the next year, but the solar eruptions this cycle are far outpacing historic patterns.)

I hear you Jim and no I have not been watching the solar eruptions cycles this year, very interesting. I think the Boyd Chart with my posts lately on progressions and your post last week on the July 4 chart with Solar Arcs could be a tipping point with 2025-26 Saturn-Neptune conjunction. Saturn-Neptune can damn sure unstable anything! Do they have any idea how long these “outpacing” solar eruptions are going to last?

The maximum is theoretically next year. Here is a comparison of actual recent activity against theoretical. The purple curve (smooth) is where the cycle was expected to be and how it normally would behave. The other lines (jagged) show what the actual activity has been, which is much higher than expected and may reach the 2002-2003 high numbers. - These seem not to be DIRECT market indicators (although I wonder if they are for commodities based on weather cycles): For example, 1929 and 1987 were near the bottom (low) of the sunspot cycle, and 1907 was away from a peak. In the next post I'll give a longer-term graph (in case you can see obvious patterns I'm missing).

Here is the longer view.

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:23 am This along with many other such of his predictions are why I do not believe he was as omniscient as people make him out to be.

Anything over 50% accuracy is a "win more than lose." If someone manages 70% right, they look brilliant. But they're still wrong a third of the time. (The media doesn't need to report more than passingly the times Warren Buffett is wrong because that's irrelevant compared to the question of whether he can make you money.)

Not sure Jim I understand what this Sun Spot chart is trying to tell me? It appears to me the red line is due to start going back up, correct? If so, isn''t this normal?

RingsOfSaturn22 wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 12:29 pm

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 9:23 am This along with many other such of his predictions are why I do not believe he was as omniscient as people make him out to be.

Anything over 50% accuracy is a "win more than lose." If someone manages 70% right, they look brilliant. But they're still wrong a third of the time. (The media doesn't need to report more than passingly the times Warren Buffett is wrong because that's irrelevant compared to the question of whether he can make you money.)

I have no idea what happened with my reply to this thread, but this is definitely NOT what I wrote!!!! I didn't even write anything close to that!!! There must have been some glitch....

Somehow, Steve has managed to reply to what I originally wrote, but it shows up as if Steve wrote it, yet my original post has disappeared!

Indeed Rings---WTF! I did not write what was quoted I wrote! Jim, you have any idea what is happening here?

Oops. My fault. I must have hit the Edit button instead of the Quote button. I'm very sorry for that.

Jim, you have one of the best mathematical minds of anyone I know. Take a look at this Gann Chart, Square of 20, which he said was one of his best discoveries ever for NYSE (link below):

https://bonniehill.net/pics.aux/gann/NY ... f%2020.jpg

Immediately I can tell my looking at this chart if we extend the years out from where it ends, we note 2022 would be at top of this chart in the right corner. And, as I have been saying Jan 6 2022 was a major Gann Top to the exact day on the yearly price charts. Since you have experience & already done excellent SMA work with the NYSE, can you deem any useful critical analysis from this Gann Square of 20 Chart? Same question for you Rings with your Gann experience and intuitive mind.

I want the few who are interested to be sure and view the last 5 bars on this chart representing the vertical rise in the Dow last Mon, Tue, Wed, Thru, & Fri (link below). If this is not classic Mars-Jupiter expansions in the NYSE prices, I don’t know what is!!! But note something else---note the 2 gaps made last week with these daily charts. Gaps are spaces left in price from the close of one day to a higher opening the next day. There is an old technical saying for markets: daily gaps are uncommon but will be filled by price coming back down but no one knows when prices will come back down to fill these two daily gaps left last week in the Dow. Gaps also are known for abnormal market forces either up or down for prolonged price movements. So, it will be very interesting in seeing how long this abnormal market force of Mars-Jupiter will last. TIME only knows for sure.

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart

I can't swear I know what I'm looking at or what I'm supposed to see. It resembles a number puzzle.

Years run sequentially from lower left upward, then repeat that from column to column, left to right. To keep the geometries the same, a second page would have to have the same number of columns beginning with 1993. - Since the chart begins at 1793, all you have to do is add 200 to every number on there, e.g., finding 2023 means you look at 1823. (Since 1822 is circled, 2022 would be circled.)

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:32 pm Immediately I can tell my looking at this chart if we extend the years out from where it ends, we note 2022 would be at top of this chart in the right corner.

I don't think that's right. The chart covers exactly 200 years, so the extension would be an exact copy but everything 200 higher. 2022 on a "page 2" would be second column at the middle, where 1822 is on this one. (I don't know what the circled numbers mean.)

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:41 pm I want the few who are interested to be sure and view the last 5 bars on this chart representing the vertical rise in the Dow last Mon, Tue, Wed, Thru, & Fri

Yes, last week was a great week. I watched it day by day.

If this is not classic Mars-Jupiter expansions in the NYSE prices, I don’t know what is!!!

I think it was simpler and we don't need an NYSE separate chart: Transiting Jupiter crossed the Washington Capsolar IC. With IC 16°03' Aries, Jupiter at Monday's opening bell was 15°56' Aries (crossing the angle on Sunday). Then, on top of it, the Mars-Jupiter opposition was right across the Capsolar meridian (exact over the weekend and at 17°31' Libra at Monday opening, meaning Ma/Ju was 16°44', a few minutes from the meridian). Meanwhile, the CapQ Ascendant matched all this - falling at 17°44' Libra! - Also, as Jupiter finished crossing the IC, it was already in orb of opposing CapQ Moon at 15°17' Libra and getting closer!!

But yes - it was clearly Mars-Jupiter

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:12 pm Oops. My fault. I must have hit the Edit button instead of the Quote button. I'm very sorry for that.

Ah ok. No problem. I thought I was in the twilight zone for a moment there, haha. @SteveS, almost seemed like that Saturn/Neptune=Uranus midpoint at work!

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:32 pm Jim, you have one of the best mathematical minds of anyone I know. Take a look at this Gann Chart, Square of 20, which he said was one of his best discoveries ever for NYSE (link below):

https://bonniehill.net/pics.aux/gann/NY ... f%2020.jpg

Immediately I can tell my looking at this chart if we extend the years out from where it ends, we note 2022 would be at top of this chart in the right corner. And, as I have been saying Jan 6 2022 was a major Gann Top to the exact day on the yearly price charts. Since you have experience & already done excellent SMA work with the NYSE, can you deem any useful critical analysis from this Gann Square of 20 Chart? Same question for you Rings with your Gann experience and intuitive mind.

In one of the courses, he explained the rationale behind this. He said the NYSE vibrates to the number 20.

How did he come to that conclusion?

He said you take the name "The New York Stock Exchange". It contains 20 letters in total, thus, it vibrates to the number 20.

I don't know if I place much faith in the way he is using numerology here, but it is part of his influence from Sepharial.

The diagonal lines represent 45º angles. The top and bottom line of the chart represent 90º angles. And also, the horizontal line that would go directly through the center of the chart would be important. He said anytime you cross one of these lines, you would get an important change in trend. With the chart extended out, you get a diagonal hit on 2021. Then, going from 2022 to 2023, we have to cross the horizontal line. Then we're getting ready to cross ANOTHER horizontal line in 2024. Then we're in the clear until 2031. So, the years 2021-2024 should look/behave similarly as 1821-1824.

Here is the extended chart.

Also, the years 1982, 1983, 2002 and 2003 since they are at the dead center of the square, and on the most important vertical and horizontal splitting lines. Furthermore, the year from 1992 to 1993 should have been significant since you had to cross over 50% of the square. As Gann says, the 50% point of anything is most critical.

That said, this square did nail the Great Recession, but it totally missed the market tanking in 2020! The 45º angles were for 2019 and 2021!

Jim Eshelman wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:43 pm I can't swear I know what I'm looking at or what I'm supposed to see. It resembles a number puzzle.

I think there couldn't be more fitting words to describe Gann!!!

SteveS wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 1:41 pm I want the few who are interested to be sure and view the last 5 bars on this chart representing the vertical rise in the Dow last Mon, Tue, Wed, Thru, & Fri (link below). If this is not classic Mars-Jupiter expansions in the NYSE prices, I don’t know what is!!! But note something else---note the 2 gaps made last week with these daily charts. Gaps are spaces left in price from the close of one day to a higher opening the next day. There is an old technical saying for markets: daily gaps are uncommon but will be filled by price coming back down but no one knows when prices will come back down to fill these two daily gaps left last week in the Dow. Gaps also are known for abnormal market forces either up or down for prolonged price movements. So, it will be very interesting in seeing how long this abnormal market force of Mars-Jupiter will last. TIME only knows for sure.

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart

I haven't been following anything recent, but it's interesting that on Oct. 25th, in helio, Mercury and Mars were conjunct, but Mercury also opposed Jupiter. Mercury was also crossing over his node on the 27th-28th, as well as Venus crossing over her node on the 26th while making a 45º angle with the sun (geocentrically and heliocentrically). Then on the 28th was the date of the full moon. Then we see prices starting to rise.

A busy period there. I don't know if it's all coincidence, but I will have to sit down and analyze it more carefully later.

Considering that it's at the top made on Oct. 17th, I'm wondering if it will be able to break through, or if it will reverse. Or maybe even turn sideways for a bit.

Note that from Nov. 4th - Nov. 10th, Mars is within 1' of his node. It will also be opposing Uranus on the 9th. On the 11th, Venus crosses the equator while 45º from the Sun. Then we have the Mars-Sun conjunction on the 18th. I don't know what this means yet as I'm still in the process of back testing the data, but preliminary findings seem to show when things like this stack up close to one another, there are significant moves and/or turn arounds.

Hey, I really appreciate the discussions we had today. We all have our different methods for seeing/explaining the rapid market rise last week but I think we can all agree there was one common denominator, the partile Mars-Jupiter 180. Maybe this will help us watch more closely the 0 90 180 Mars aspects with our market methods. Rings I do appreciate the fresh looks you are bringing to this tread for the various Gann methodology. I may not understand em all but I can tell you have done some serious homework. I feel like before my 2023 SSR is over I am going to learn/understand something very important which will complement my main market methodology---the Gann Dates. We Virgos need something to occupy our minds.

I need to show everyone here who are truly interested in the methods of Sidereal Astrology with Jim’s teachings-- the Solar Quotidian Chart (Daily Charts) for the NYSE when it opened Sunday evening Oct 29 after its “outstanding incident” Mars-Jupiter Paran SLR which set-up after the NYSE closed Friday Oct 27. It’s a text book stunning/shocking Solar Quotidian Chart example! Just discovered it 10 minutes ago.

https://ibb.co/7b3T6V4

My holy gods/spirits in the heavens! If anyone out there who can tell me how we can get reliable “First Times” trades for other financial markets I will purchase em for us serious minded Sidereal Astrologers. And everyone has probably forgotten but I have posted many times on this forum that the Solar Quotidian, a DAILY CHART, was by far my favorite daily chart to work with in my life as well with my friends and family lives.

I can also guarantee Gann had never heard of Western Sidereal Astrology in his times on this planet.

Ebertin (COSI) for the “Principle of Mars-Pluto:

Superhuman power (force).
Exceptional ability (footnoted)

RingsOfSaturn22 wrote: Sun Nov 05, 2023 2:38 pm In one of the courses, he explained the rationale behind this. He said the NYSE vibrates to the number 20.

How did he come to that conclusion?

He said you take the name "The New York Stock Exchange". It contains 20 letters in total, thus, it vibrates to the number 20.

In relation to this, Gann also said that the USA vibrates to both the numbers 21 and 7.

Why?

"United States of America" has 21 letters.
"America" has 7 letters.

Thus, he uses his square of 21 and square of 7 when trying to time dates for them.

Note, for these squares, he starts them from October 12, 1492! This is from his "The Master Chart of 360º" course.

SteveS wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:10 am I need to show everyone here who are truly interested in the methods of Sidereal Astrology with Jim’s teachings-- the Solar Quotidian Chart (Daily Charts) for the NYSE when it opened Sunday evening Oct 29 after its “outstanding incident” Mars-Jupiter Paran SLR which set-up after the NYSE closed Friday Oct 27. It’s a text book stunning/shocking Solar Quotidian Chart example! Just discovered it 10 minutes ago.

https://ibb.co/7b3T6V4

This looks impressive! If I knew more about quotidians, I'd be able to comment more, but at this moment, I don't have much to add.

In regards to first trades, they are hard to obtain. When in the crypto market, we DID have some first trade information for some of the altcoins. Cardano was one of the ones I specifically recalled. For Bitcoin itself, though, it presented an odd situation, because we didn't have a place where the first trade took place! And also, we don't know what constitutes as the "first trade" because we have 3 different events to chose from. If that problem could be solved, we would probably learn a lot about astrology and what constitutes the "first" of something.

I'm sure, though, that there is probably some obscure financial astrologer out there who has a stockpile of all the first trades of major companies.

SteveS wrote: Mon Nov 06, 2023 3:10 am My holy gods/spirits in the heavens! If anyone out there who can tell me how we can get reliable “First Times” trades for other financial markets I will purchase em for us serious minded Sidereal Astrologers. And everyone has probably forgotten but I have posted many times on this forum that the Solar Quotidian, a DAILY CHART, was by far my favorite daily chart to work with in my life as well with my friends and family lives.

I don't know if this is related, but Gann also told us to break down the day into 4 minute periods! And follow the 4 minute changes. This, to me, sounds like he was following the changes in right ascension throughout the day. I find it interesting that most trading software gives you the default option of 5 minutes, even though astrologically, 4 minutes would make more sense.

I think it was simpler: Johndro or somebody told him that the Ascendant changes about 1° every four minutes, I imagine, so he was just saying, "Get to another degree."

Rings wrote:

This looks impressive! If I knew more about quotidians, I'd be able to comment more, but at this moment, I don't have much to add.

It is indeed impressive for a Sidereal Astrologer Rings, proves the symbolism in the NYSE SSR manifesed on Oct 29 with Sunday's evening openin for trading. This is only the second time I have seen a quotidian fire-off in the NYSE. This could be a clue for us watch even more closely the quotidian for Jan 7 2024 Sunday evening when the NYSE opens for trading or Monday Jan 8 since the 2 year anniversary date of Gann’s Jan 6 Date falls on a Sat when the market is closed. This will only be important imo if the DOW is testing its all-time high Fri Jan 5 2024 or Sunday evening Jan 7 2024, also Monday’s Jan 8th market action would be important to watch if we see a test of all-time highs.
Here is the Solar Quotidian (SQ) for Jan 8 2024 and as we can see the SQ Mars-Pluto 180 rotates to the SQ MC/IC axis, but what I find interesting SQ Uranus is on SQ ASC—could be indicating a potent reversal in prices depending on the position of the market with its technicals.
SQ Jan 8 2024:
https://ibb.co/42128fn

I'm sure, though, that there is probably some obscure financial astrologer out there who has a stockpile of all the first trades of major companies.

Maybe so. I can’t remember for sure but it seems when I was investigating this issue 45 years ago, I was told only members of the NYSE had access to First Time trades for all of the stocks which opened for their First Trades, it would represent the true AA birth time for a stock. I know this for sure: Gann had the times of “First Trades” for certain companies, one being US Steel and stated it was very important to start all Master Charts with the number of its first trade in the center. What I am most interested in investigating are the First Trades of Commodity Exchanges when they opened for the First Time, no different than our AA birth chart here of the NYSE. Anyway…

I look at so many mundane charts-- so before I forget I want to red flag the NYSE’s 2026 SSR as potentially a very bearish solar year, FWIW. Link below showing its nasty symbolism:

https://ibb.co/sCsTBWD

SSR Saturn partile cnj SSR Zenith
SSR Moon partile 180 Pluto

I interpret this SSR as potentially a very malefic SSR. Using my studies with Jim’s SSR teachings there is a combo of malefic planets for Moon-Pluto- Saturn. Using Ebertin’s tone for this combo of planets in his book COSI-- the main descriptive words are:

…grave inhibitions…

Agreed. It's a year of struggle and a feeling of hardship and loss. - It crosses my mind that this is a midterm year so you might want to look at the Libsolar to see what the year is angling toward.

Thanks Jim--will do.

I'm sure, though, that there is probably some obscure financial astrologer out there who has a stockpile of all the first trades of major companies.

Hi Rings. Michael Munkasey keeps a database of First Trade charts. In his expanded About info he mentions: "I update weekly and maintain a data base of incorporation, first trade and other such information on over 14,800 companies (entities) traded on the major US stock exchanges. This info at about 105 Mb is for sale. Contact me."
https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-munkasey-7ab4572a/

The Magi Society had a bunch of FT dates posted on their website. Not sure if they still maintain it.
https://www.magiastrology.com/firsttrad ... edates.php

Also Raj Chadha on his website had some tips on where to look for IPO information:
https://stockastrologer.com/sources-of-data/

Thanks Regulus, good info. I am hoping to obtain a few stocks with their "First Times" to spot test some of my Sidereal Astrology & Gann systems. But the hard part is being able in the right format aquire their entire price history. Nothing easy with Gann's systems since the first thing required is history of price. Maybe take Apple since it has a short history and see what we may be able to see.

NYSE Demi-Lunar DSLR Nov 10 (link below) after market closed Friday with a solid-up day Friday for the DOW:

https://ibb.co/jGbspS8

A very benefic bullish angular “outstanding incident” DSLR Jup partile cnj r Venus on the DSLR Zenith; Natal Jupiter tightly cnj DSLR IC. Let’s see if the DOW futures Sunday night and cash DOW Monday trading reacts to this bullish “outstanding incident” DSLR. But so far with that angular “outstanding incident” Mars-Jupiter SLR a couple of weeks ago it appears the DOW has shifted gears in a most bullish manner. We will take a final count after the life of this SLR.

Gann wrote after an important top or bottom is made, watch out for the next 1, 2, and 3 year anniversary dates. I am keenly interested if the Dow will exactly top again on its 2 year anniversary date, Friday Jan 5th 2024 from its all-time high date of Jan 5th 2022. If so, you traders/investors need to be putting a game plan together for this possibility, but still a lot of time left.

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart
If yesterday’s Nov 14 action (link above) in the DOW is a “measuring gap” the Dow will easily test its all-time high on Jan 5 2022 at 36,952. Whether or not this test only occurs on Jan 5 2024 as a Gann 2 year anniversary date remains to be seen.

A runaway/measuring gap occurs mid trend (from Oct 26 low) and suggests that the price is now moving effortlessly in a direction. Measuring gaps are considered continuation patterns as they have a habit of occurring before the trend which preceded the gap is resumed, ie in an uptrend a measuring gap up alludes to further gains to follow. In a downtrend, a measuring gap down alludes to further decline. The length of the trend which preceded the gap can be projected from the gap’s occurrence to provide traders with a ‘measured’ target, hence the term ‘measuring’ gap. Measuring gap – Commonly known as a runaway gap, it tends to form in halfway of a price move (from Oct 26 bottom).

As Gann knew:

There is no chance in nature, because mathematical principles of the highest order lie at the foundation of all things. Faraday said: There is nothing in the Universe but mathematical points of force.

Quite obviously we can clearly see the “outstanding incident” Mars-Jupiter Oct 27 NYSE Sidereal Lunar Return (SLR) as a powerful “point of force” with a partile Mars-Jupiter 180 on its SLR Horizon, timing so far a vertical upward move in prices. In my 38 years of studying astrology, I know of no other branch of astrology other than Sidereal Astrology which could have seen/timed this vertical rise in prices with its main methodology for seeing natural law things with Return Charts for an AA timed chart.

Oct 27 2023 NYSE SLR:
https://ibb.co/f9sD1X0

The Dow just broke 35K (it had been testing it all morning). This may be momentary, but it's noteworthy.

Investors seem to like that the Fed thinks inflation is significantly cooling.

I just received Louise McWhirter’s book “Theory of Stock Market Forecasting” and read on page ix in the Introduction:

I immediately knew that the chart Louise was using for the NYSE was a good one. I spent some time checking the validity of this chart and rectified the time to 7:52 a.m. LMT in New York City. Alphee Lavoie

I have, from years ago, a note that you quoted Louise McWhirter for this time. Is this a different source for the same time and source? (Who wrote the Introduction you quoted?)

Jim wrote and asked:

I have, from years ago, a note that you quoted Louise McWhirter for this time. Is this a different source for the same time and source? (Who wrote the Introduction you quoted?)

When I first opened this thread, I was going through some of my old market stuff from 45 years ago and noted I had this time of 7:52 AM for the NYSE. It was in my notes on financial astrology and at this time I was just getting into astrology. I noted Louise McWhirter’s name next to this Time for the NYSE. I assumed that this time was by Louise McWhirter but did not pay that much attention 45 years ago, because I was only trading commodities for the Company when I isolated a Gann Date with high probability using my technicalS for a low risk-high reward trade.

When I started this thread I made an effort to get McWhirter’s book but it was out of print and commanded very high prices in the used book market. Then, about a couple weeks ago I noted that her book had been revived with a new edition so I bought the book by the very high recommendation by a financial astrologer Alphee Lavoie, he wrote the introduction to McWhirter's new edition. And here we are with my new discovery that Alphee Lavoie was what appears to be the actual source for his rectified birth of the NYSE. I am in the process of trying to get in touch with Alphee Lavoie because he reputes to have thousands of “First Time” trades in stocks. The best I can tell is Alphee Lavoie is a true- blue highly skilled financial astrologer, but in this field I am always very suspious. I never heard of him until a couple of weeks ago but he swears by McWhirter's research work which I have not studied, yet. If Lavoie's is the original source for this timed chart for the NYSE, it could be Gann was working with the wrong time for his NYSE Chart, throwing off some of his astrology work with the NYSE, I really don't know, only guessing.

OK, I am into McWhirter’s book and she was keen on watching closely the lunation (New Moons) for each month and how the new moon chart aspected this NYSE Chart for meaningful price movements. I am testing this and my first test was for Black Monday Oct 19 1987—the beginning of a full blown panic for the NYSE. I have isolated the key Sidereal Astrology chart which would have forewarned me of a panic for NYSE for its 1987 solar year—it’s 1987 SSR, but I never did find a Sidereal Astrology chart which pointed me to the month of Oct 1987 or the day of Oct 19 1987 for the beginning of this panic, I may have missed something.

But, when I followed McWhirter’s advice for closely following the monthly lunation’s (New Moons Charts) with this NYSE Chart, here is how the Oct 22 1987 New Moon chart aspected the NYSE:
Sun 04,12 Lib
Moon 04, Lib
NYSE Saturn 04,31 Ari
NYSE Neptune 05,51 Lib

Interesting, let’s move on to Oct 24 1929 for the worst panic day in history with the Oct 2 1929 lunation chart:
The New Moon was partile 180 Uranus with a partile Mercury-Pluto 90 for intense stuff!!! Lunation Mars partile 180 NYSE Saturn and lunation Saturn 1,33 NYSE MC. Lunation Pluto cnj NYSE ASC. Wets my appetite—I need to look at the lunation months for other NYSE panic months.

Let’s quickly test the Oct 14 2023 lunation chart to the NYSE Chart:
Right off: the New Moon partile 180 NYSE Moon—interesting. Lunation Mars on NYSE Saturn-Neptune 180 aspect, doesn’t fit for the explosion in prices upward---maybe for the most oversold readings for the entire year isolating this month, I don’t really know. Lunation Mercury partile 90 NYSE ASC, Ok for more pronounced news for the NYSE. I think if we allowed the lunation New Moon partile 180 NYSE Moon to forewarn us to pay attention for this lunation month, it may have been a good indicator, and it would have tune-in the Sidereal Astrologer to the “outstanding incident” Mars-Jupiter NYSE Oct 27 SLR.

Conclusions for this brief quick test: McWhirter may be onto something important for key monthly price movement for the NYSE. I will start paying more attention, easy to quickly look at these lunation’s charts to the NYSE for the entire calendar year for possible important partile aspects.

Dow all time high is just over 36,300. Earlier today, it was over 36,200 (and has only backed off a tiny bit).

Remember Pearl Harbor Day.

LATER: Closed the day and the week at 36,245. The all time high was 36,338.

Jim, if you will go to the following link below and put your cursor on Jan 5 2022 (top left side of chart.), you will notice the all-time high in the DOW at 36,952, with a low of 36,400 and a close of 36,407. It will take a close on the weekly charts above 36,952 to begin to confirm the market could be in another rip-snorting Bull Market, IMO. Gann repeately said when new all time highs are confirmed on the weekly charts this is a good indication the market is going much higher. If a test of the all-time high at 36,952 happens to occur only on Jan 5 2024 this will be a Gann’s two year anniversary date and will become very important for high % for a top. A very important 45 degree angle calculates to 37,200 on Gann's Square of Four Master Chart, so it would not suprise me if the Dow does indeed go very close to 37,200, if a top was to occurr. Only TIME knows for sure.

https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/ ... tive-chart