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Post Posted Wed Aug 27, 2014 12:37 pm by Debbie
Does anyone use the relocated progressed angles in Naibod RA?

I ask because my family has some coinciding moon issues in November. During this time my husband will have stationary TJupiter conjunct natal and progressed Pluto partile the secondary progressed MC in a location known for gambling and nightlife.
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Post Posted Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:06 pm by SteveS
Debbie asked:

Does anyone use the relocated progressed angles in Naibod RA?



Indeed! I always consult these ‘relocated progressed angles’ with my spots fan’s file for betting purposes at certain times, paying close attention to planetary transiting factors partile these angles. At times some of my sports fans travel for away games and these relocated angles become very important with bowl games—now play-off games. Also I pay close attention to partile t. aspects to non-angular progressed planets.

During this time my husband will have stationary TJupiter conjunct natal and progressed Pluto partile the secondary progressed MC in a location known for gambling and nightlife.


I see T. Jupiter stationed at 27,41 Cancer Dec 7-8. Is this a planned gambling trip to catch this stationed Jupiter?
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Post Posted Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:10 am by Debbie

SteveS wrote:
Is this a planned gambling trip to catch this stationed Jupiter?



Not yet, but oddly on Dec 3-4 he has progressed solar Moon square solar Uranus, exact, and I have progressed natal Moon square progressed natal Uranus, waning. Both angular in Vegas! Sounds like an exciting trip. I have been looking at these charts for a while and trying to figure out how to stay there for a month (especially since it's football season). I have Venus square AC in Naibod in Vegas for the next few years so I love it there.

I am happy that you see some opportunities in this adventure. Looks like I'll be booking a trip after I triple check my calculations.
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Post Posted Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:33 am by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

…but oddly on Dec 3-4 he has progressed solar Moon square solar Uranus, exact, and I have progressed natal Moon square progressed natal Uranus, waning. Both angular in Vegas! Sounds like an exciting trip.


Very interesting Debbie. If practical, I definitely would make this Vegas trip for first week in Dec.

Debbie wrote:

I have been looking at these charts for a while and trying to figure out how to stay there for a month (especially since it's football season).


Yes, those progressed partile Moon-Uranus aspects would certainly make for a very exciting month for you and Jeff, particularly those Q days when angular the first week in Dec.

Debbie wrote:

I have Venus square AC in Naibod in Vegas for the next few years so I love it there.


Indeed! Hey, you and Jeff are gamblers and retired-- so if practical why not move near the gambling capitol of the World—Vegas. Also, you have certainly advanced your Sidereal Astrology learning and as far as I am concerned Sidereal Astrology is the best astrological timing tool ever for seeing optimum gambling times. And look at this possible relocation from the standpoint of saving all those $ for travel to gambling destinations and sheer hassle of travelling time. I think you and Jeff would possibly find yourselves in gambling heaven.
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Post Posted Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:11 pm by Debbie

SteveS wrote:
Sidereal Astrology is the best astrological timing tool ever for seeing optimum gambling times.



This may be an important factor for Sidereal to reach more people.
As an example, this week I had TJupiter square my natal AC and moneyed in 2 poker tourneys and won $50 on the e-slots. I'm learning from you when to gamble more aggressively and when to play conservatively or not at all. My cheating consisted of knowing one of my fiercest competitors had TSaturn square his natal Sun/Jupiter conjunction. I took all his chips both nights by calling his big raises. TNeptune conjunct my natal Jupiter made me stretch my morals slightly. You can't stop knowing what you know, though. So much for learning the higher virtues, as Jim suggests.

Speaking of TNeptune conjunct my natal Jupiter, this seesaw of unbridled optimism and my natural caution has me befuddled. This transit only comes around once a lifetime so I believe I'll throw a little caution to the wind and try to make some magic (or at least see some).
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Post Posted Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:59 pm by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

I'm learning from you when to gamble more aggressively and when to play conservatively or not at all.


IMHO, this is the key combined with Sidereal Astrology which separates a professional gambler from other gamblers. It has taken me many years of experience to learn this key.

You can't stop knowing what you know…


Exactly!

Debbie wrote:

Speaking of TNeptune conjunct my natal Jupiter, this seesaw of unbridled optimism and my natural caution has me befuddled. This transit only comes around once a lifetime so I believe I'll throw a little caution to the wind and try to make some magic (or at least see some).


IMHO, the ‘magic’ is already in the process of happening with this placement in your current SSR, but it will take time and hinny sight to know the true essence of this once in a lifetime transit. I read this important transit very unique for you since I know you as a true blood gambler, and Jupiter-Neptune combo’s has much to do with “successful speculation” when handled with a conscious astrological mind, which certainly applies to you with your partile Natal Sun-Mercury conjunction, a great aspect for personal individual learning for an Astrologer, IMO. Also, I relocated your Natal to Vegas and was awe-struck! Featured is a tight immediate foreground Mundane Square of Venus-Jupiter and a mundo midpoint of Jupiter/Pluto=MC—maybe part of the ‘magic’ which is in the process of flowering for your life. Be sure and go to Jim’s writings at: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/171 ... 3.0%29.pdf

And read page 15 “The Exception” under his Chapter on the ‘Mundoscope.’ IMHO, Jim is on to something very important for the Sidereal Astrologer.
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Post Posted Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:08 pm by Debbie

SteveS wrote:
I relocated your Natal to Vegas and was awe-struck!



No wonder I've always enjoyed my visits. Jeff makes fun of me always getting lost in my hometown, not surprising with natal Mars/Neptune square MC. I land in Las Vegas and I know exactly where everything is and how to get there, it has always amazed him. I think I get smarter there.

I am rearranging some things now to be able to spend a month there and, after checking our next few SRs, I may look into a more permanent relocation. I'm really tired of angular Neptune in my SRs (except with Jupiter this year). My current transits are demanding change, better I do it than take what comes.

SteveS wrote:
read page 15 “The Exception” under his Chapter on the ‘Mundoscope.



I still forget to compute the mundoscope occasionally and I have to check the notes to see when it applies. I believe Jim said it didn't apply to transits to the angles but should be used for everything else. Can you verify that?

Close mundane aspects seem valid between planets in the foreground of Sidereal solar and lunar ingresses.



Does this apply to personal charts also?
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Post Posted Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:17 pm by Jim Eshelman
On mundane aspects: an interesting experiment (that I've worked out in the 4th Ed of SMA, currently in prep - but you might want to do it yourself in advance).

Set up the horoscopes and mundoscopes of Albert Einstein, Bill Gates, and Marie Curie. Ask yourself what they all have in the mundoscopes that isn't in the horoscope of any of them. Decide what you think about what you find.

It's... interesting.
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:44 am by Debbie
Homework on a holiday weekend, you brute! I am only going to work with aspects to angular bodies, but I also noted some interesting non-angular aspects.

Einstein: In mundo, Pluto is conjunct the EP opposed Moon and square Uranus. Mars moves to 150 with Pluto. One of his important aspects, Mercury conjunct Saturn moves farther away in mundo. 3-14-1879 at 11:30am in Ulm, Germany

Gates: Angular Moon/Uranus/Mars are in both charts but Moon/Uranus move closer to the angles in Mundo, Mars farther away and the Moon/Mars opposition goes from 1' to almost 6'.
I think, simplified, his most defining aspects are Jupiter conjunct Pluto (rich), Venus conjunct Saturn (cheap) and Neptune square AC (philanthropic, and he has been accused of ripping off some designs). They all move farther away in mundo. I wonder if the 10:00 pm birthtime I'm using is correct. 10-28-55 at 10:00pm in Seattle, WA

Curie: In mundo her angular Uranus squares Pluto instead of Neptune and Saturn/Venus are no longer angular. 11-7-1867 at 12:00 noon in Warsaw, Poland.

I got the birth info from astro databank. Note that all times are in round amounts. Seems improbable.
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:40 pm by Jim Eshelman
All three have close Moon-Uranus squares. I find that... fascinating.
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:32 pm by Debbie
My orbs were a little tight, missed Curie. It is interesting. Have you checked out Alexander Graham Bell in mundo? Good thing he moved, we could still be using the telegraph.
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:54 pm by Jim Eshelman

Debbie wrote:
My orbs were a little tight, missed Curie. It is interesting. Have you checked out Alexander Graham Bell in mundo? Good thing he moved, we could still be using the telegraph.


Bell is an Aquarius to begin with, and has a partile Moon-Mercury opposition (7') exactly angular - so his engineering bent would be evident regardless, making him a bad example. (Compound with a Mundoscope that has Moon half a degree from opposite a 0°00' Sun-Saturn conjunction, all less than a degree from the angles, with Neptune 2° away.) I think he's a better example of vision and persistence than of technical genius.

Edison, similarly, was primarily a businessman. He wasn't the guy who tested those thousand different filaments, it was the guys working for him. He has primarily a Neptune chart - Neptune exactly square Ascendant.
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:08 pm by Jim Eshelman
I'm not sure what birth time you used for Curie. I get a 0°12' orb on her mundane Moon-Uranus, and I doubt you used a tighter orb than that.

I just posted the current draft of my revision of the Mundoscope discussion.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3631
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:01 pm by SteveS
Jim wrote:

All three have close Moon-Uranus squares. I find that... fascinating.


Indeed!!! Especially when we know Uranus has much to do with major technical discoveries. On page 52 of ‘Primer of Sidereal Astrology' Fagan pointed out his 1948 SSR time his discovery of the hypsomata (exaltation degrees of the planets) within two days when his progressed SSR Moon matured to an exact 180 of Solar Uranus. Not a mundo aspect as your 3 above examples but still a prime example of Uranus par-excellent symbolism for thrilling discoveries.
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Post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:07 pm by Jim Eshelman
So, to change the subject, I see Auburn is tied in the 3rd quarter.

How is your friend's plumbing problem?

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New post Posted Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:43 pm by SteveS
Jim asked:

How is your friend's plumbing problem?


Talked with his wife this morning and they do not expect to have any water until early next week due to the long holiday weekend. To repair the problem will require jack-hammering through the concrete foundation on their front porch. I am certain the malefic symbolism you and I analysed for the Auburn game has/is manifesting with this major household plumbing problem. With 9:00 minutes left in the game Auburn leads 38-21 with game in a weather delay due to lighting. I hedged my entire bet and if Auburn wins by 18-20 points I win both bets but I doubt this will happen. Will report final score.
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New post Posted Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:34 am by SteveS
Debbie wrote and asked:

I still forget to compute the mundoscope occasionally and I have to check the notes to see when it applies. I believe Jim said it didn't apply to transits to the angles but should be used for everything else. Can you verify that?


Cyril Fagan (father of sidereal astrology) always emphasized that all Natal-Return Charts should be looked at with the mundoscope in order to know the true astronomical distance of a planet to an angle. The closer a planet is to an angle the more potent its influence. Jim’s SMA guidelines can’t be applied without the mundoscope to determine the true position of a planet to an angle.

Does this apply to personal charts also?


Yes, from an angular standpoint and maybe with foreground tight mundo aspects with the view of the true astronomical distance of a planet to an angle. For example when we re-locate your Natal to Vegas we see the two benefits Venus & Jupiter occupy the foreground, Venus 2,15 cnj IC and Jupiter 4,08 cnj Asc. Pluto is 16 degrees from DC. Just the fact your two natal benefits of Venus-Jupiter are in the foreground for Vegas makes it an appealing location to re-locate, if practical. But here is where your re-located Natal Mundoscope to Vegas becomes most interesting, IMO. Venus & Jupiter are still foreground, Venus 4,27 cnj IC—Jup 3,12 cnj Asc but when we look at the mundoscope two striking things appear. 1: Your mundoscope now features a tight mundane square of Venus-Jupiter 1,13 orb. Jim’s ‘Exception’ in his SMA teachings with the Mundoscope says he is beginning to believe when tight mundo aspects appear in the foreground of the mundoscope they could work just as potent as in a regular scope. If this is true then we Sidereal Astrologers have been missing something very important that has remained hidden to our sight without looking at the mundoscope. Remember, one of Jim’s teachings says:

"Partile aspects are supreme. It is when angularity and aspect partility coincide that outstanding incidents are most likely to come about."

Imo, your relocated natal mundoscope may be telling us your natal re-location to Vegas could produce ‘outstanding incidents.’ What kind of ‘outstanding incidents’? Well a tight Venus-Jupiter mundo square with the Mundoscope—it doesn’t get much better from a benefic standpoint. Also what I find most interesting is what happens with Mundo Vegas Pluto. Note: Mundo Pluto is now 1,46 cnj DC instead of 16 degrees from DC in the eclipto relocation Natal. Adding Mundo Pluto to the foreground with Mundo foreground Venus & Jupiter is imo a huge re-location difference, particularly when this foreground Mundo Pluto hooks up with foreground Mundo Jupiter to form a Jup/Pl=MC midpoint. You must weigh all of these mundo benefic possibilities with t. Neptune partile cnj your natal Jupiter. Is this some kind of grand illusion with Neptune’s symbolism, or is there some deep hidden astrological truth with this relocated Vegas Mundoscope???
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New post Posted Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:58 pm by Debbie

Jim Eshelman wrote:
I'm not sure what birth time you used for Curie. I get a 0°12' orb on her mundane Moon-Uranus, and I doubt you used a tighter orb than that.



Astro-data bank had 12 noon as her birthtime, I note that you use 8:44 pm.

Jim Eshelman wrote:
Bell is an Aquarius to begin with, and has a partile Moon-Mercury opposition (7') exactly angular - so his engineering bent would be evident regardless, making him a bad example. (Compound with a Mundoscope that has Moon half a degree from opposite a 0°00' Sun-Saturn conjunction, all less than a degree from the angles, with Neptune 2° away.) I think he's a better example of vision and persistence than of technical genius.



Bell's natal showed the promise, however he was not able to use it until he moved to London, then to North America. He was a poor student in Scotland with many problems. My point was that maybe, if had not relocated, he would have not been successful due to the limiting (imo) mundane angular Saturn/Sun opposed Moon. Of course we will never know.
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New post Posted Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:29 pm by Debbie
Thank you for your analysis of my possible relocation, Steve. You have eloquently explained the factors which draw me there.

SteveS wrote:
You must weigh all of these mundo benefic possibilities with t. Neptune partile cnj your natal Jupiter. Is this some kind of grand illusion with Neptune’s symbolism, or is there some deep hidden astrological truth with this relocated Vegas Mundoscope???



I don't think this is a Neptune illusion as I had plans to spend a year there (and a few other cities) since the late 90s. Before I was aware of relocation issues I moved to my current location, more as a base for further travels and a restful break from my career. I have been stuck here for various reasons, but I think mostly because of Mars/Neptune angularity (both eclipto and mundane). It seems related to an inablity to take action for my own benefit.

So here comes Pluto square and Uranus opposed Mars/Neptune and it seems like a wake up call.

My own intuition long ago said live in a different city every year for a few years to see what feels right for retirement. I am going for a short visit to northern Arizona at the end of the month to see what it feels like, but so far Las Vegas feels most like home.
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New post Posted Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:29 pm by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

I have been stuck here for various reasons, but I think mostly because of Mars/Neptune angularity (both eclipto and mundane). It seems related to an inability to take action for my own benefit.


Yes, I fully understand. I have no direct experience involving a permanent move to another far-off location using sidereal techniques, but I know one thing for sure: Given the option without upsetting any relationships or work related income, in other words if practical, I would damn sure move away from my angular tight Mars-Neptune conjunction and put that aspect in the background off an angle.

So here comes Pluto square and Uranus opposed Mars/Neptune and it seems like a wake up call.


Indeed!

My own intuition long ago said live in a different city every year for a few years to see what feels right for retirement.


Again, if practical, go with/listen to your heart/mind intuitions.
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New post Posted Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:07 am by SteveS
Being active in this thread of late, I just discovered something with my Naibod Angles and Fagan. My p. Moon is partile cnj Naibod IC receiving a partile 135 from p. Venus and partile 45 from p. Uranus. It just so happens this is occurring in a time period where I will be doing more traveling I have done in over 23 years. A couple of weeks ago I traveled and spent a week on a quiet beach. In the month of Sept I will be traveling to 3 separate concerts and visiting an aunt I have not seen in over 20 years. Fagan wrote in one of his Solunar Columns:

The Moon when prominent makes for much movement. Par excellence it signifies locomotion and travel as well as all varieties of change, and activities generally.



Hmmm
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New post Posted Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:00 pm by Jim Eshelman

SteveS wrote:
My p. Moon is partile cnj Naibod IC receiving a partile 135 from p. Venus and partile 45 from p. Uranus. It just so happens this is occurring in a time period where I will be doing more traveling I have done in over 23 years.


Notice that this would be true with progressed Moon aspecting a progressed Venus-Uranus aspect, regardless of whether there is an angle involved or not.
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New post Posted Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:54 pm by SteveS
Yes, it is most interesting to me my travel plans were booked months ago and now I discover p. Moon is partile cnj Naibod IC, which measuring p. Moon time frame partile the IC covers a two months period covering the exact time period (two months) for all of my busy traveling. Defintely meant to be.
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New post Posted Sat Sep 27, 2014 8:08 am by SteveS
Debbie asked:

Does anyone use the relocated progressed angles in Naibod RA?



I responded:

Indeed! I always consult these ‘relocated progressed angles’ with my spots fan’s file for betting purposes at certain times, paying close attention to planetary transiting factors partile these angles. At times some of my sports fans travel for away games and these relocated angles become very important with bowl games—now play-off games. Also I pay close attention to partile t. aspects to non-angular progressed planets.



Debbie, here is a recent excellent example. On my recent long road trip, my wife (Auburn fanatic) and I attended the Auburn-Kansas-State game in Manhattan Kansas on Sept 18. The last time we attended a live game was in 2005. Birth data of wife: Oct 20 1950, 11:07 PM, Columbus Georgia.

Note what happens with her DC when we relocate her Naibod RA angle to Manhattan Kansas. DC 9,38 Aqu. p Jupiter 9,13 Aqu. This alone told me Auburn would win the game but Auburn was 8.5 favorite-- so there was no high % for betting Auburn would cover this line. Auburn won 20-14 and did not cover the line. This p. chart becomes even more interesting when we look at a solarfire tri-wheel with her above p. chart as the inside wheel, her natal as the middle wheel, and transits for Sept 18 as the outer wheel. If you will produce this tri-wheel with solarfire you will note her n. Moon partile cnj Manhattan DC and transiting Neptune tightly cnj DC with t. Mars tight square n. Moon. Here were her main psychological responses throughout the game. She was mad many times with this game (Moon-Mars), and was very confused ( t. Neptune) with the manner of Auburn’s play in the game. At the end of the game she said Auburn was damn lucky (p, Jupiter partile cnj p. DC) they won the game. Most sports fans do not travel to far away games—but when they do—we can see with this example the importance of relocating Naibod’s RA angles.
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New post Posted Sat Sep 27, 2014 12:25 pm by Debbie
Great example, Steve. We are leaving for a week tomorrow. Las Vegas for 3 days then north/central Arizona. We both have mixed signals from different charts but I added a day to Arizona as we both had better charts there. We will see the "Million Dollar Quartet" this time since I drug him to Rock of Ages last time. We have a mixed marriage, he's country and I'm rock.

I was sitting in a casino in Tahoe a few weeks ago and the man next to me was raving about his hometown of Prescott, AZ. I have always had my eye on this town because I have Jupiter and Venus partile AC/IC there. I added this town to my itinerary since I thought meeting this person was a signal from somewhere. Low and behold, the day we arrive there my SQ2 has Jupiter/MC and Jeff has Venus/AC!

I think sometimes we get a nudge from the universe, like when you planned your concert trip then noticed the aspects.
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New post Posted Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:53 am by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

I think sometimes we get a nudge from the universe…



Indeed! And IMO, it is these ‘nudges’ by tracking the cornerstone of Sidereal Astrology, our angles, which leads my astrological mind to its most enlightening/enriching life experiences with the intrinsic nature of the planets and their aspects.
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New post Posted Mon Oct 06, 2014 5:17 pm by SteveS
Hi Debbie,

I pointed out to you Gayle’s relocated Naibod RA angles for Manhattan Kansas with sp. Jupiter partile cnj Natal Moon partile cnj Naibod RA Dsc. This Saturday Gayle has her first Jupiter Q hit this season with her NQ2 producing the same combo as Manhattan with her residing residence: NQ2 Dsc 9,50 Aqu; sp Jupiter 9,14 Aqu; Natal Moon 9,49 Aqu. Jupiter-Moon Q combos high probability for a winning DAY. Early line Auburn -2.5.
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New post Posted Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:04 pm by Debbie
Thanks Steve!

I don't see how Auburn loses with her charts. Last week was crazy allowing Auburn to get to number 2 in the polls. Gayle's Jupiter manifesting a week early or maybe a final blast of last year's SSR before her birthday?

2.5 seems a low price to pay but I'd rather have points.

Prescott, AZ was terrific. Everyone was so friendly and proud of their town. We ended up staying there for all 3 days we were in AZ. Jupiter and Venus angular there was evident as I enjoyed myself but spent way too much. I don't think I can afford to live there.
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New post Posted Tue Oct 07, 2014 2:15 pm by SteveS
Debbie wrote:

Gayle's Jupiter manifesting a week early or maybe a final blast of last year's SSR before her birthday?



Yes, last Saturday was an exceptional day for her with several teams in the top 10 losing, particularly Alabama. I contribute this most benefic day for her as t. Venus was partile cnj her Natal IC.