Girlfriend's Chart

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My GF is curious about sidereal and asked me to post her chart for her!
Location:Zagreb Croatia
Date/Time: May 18 1993 at 12am

Thank you!

[Jim Eshelman]

Is she really born the first minute of the day?

Here is the chart:


I'll post a summary of the main points of the chart shortly.

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According to her sources (parents), yes she was born at 12:00 on the dot

[Jim Eshelman]

ANGULAR PLANETS
Angular Moon (sq. Asc 0°17')
Adaptive in response to social, psychological, & environmental conditions (mask, roll, act). Impressionable, responsive, malleable, imaginative. Needs constant stimulation (of mind or senses). Strong sexual appetites; responsive to affection, friendship, sexual suggestion. Amiable, accommodating; sensitive, receptive, tender, empathic (touchy, moody, reactive). Vulnerable to judgments, displeasure, criticism. At home before an audience.

Angular Venus (sq. Asc 1°05')
Charming, attractive, popular. Friendly, amiable, gracious. Kind, considerate, benevolent. Flirtatious, affectionate (sexually more receptive than aggressive). Loving, care-taking, mothering. Drawn to beauty, pleasure, peace, tranquility (not pain, violence, turbulence); averse to cruelty & harm. Needs to experience pleasure & beauty; requires harmony & ease (reduced stress & friction). Stubborn & fierce toward injustice (personal or social).

Moon Conjunct Venus (1°22')
Attractive, charming; much sexual charisma. Gracious (ingratiating), affectionate, sensual. Fond of social niceties. High frustration tolerance. (Passive-dependent, moody, can be blindsided by strong feelings, often preoccupied with whether they are liked.)

Angular Mars (WP, 1°19')
Aggressive, competitive, challenging, needs to win (combative, quarrelsome). Seeks to test & prove self by contest (e.g., competitively, verbally, mentally, sexually). Courage (physical & moral; may disregard safety). Dominates & controls others. Physical, needs to expend energy; needs physical & psychological elbow-room. Sexually aggressive, needs frequent satisfaction. Business leadership & competitive excellence.

Angular Neptune (Asc 3°02')
Sensitive, vulnerable, feels strongly (tunes into others deeply, not always accurately; feels exposed, over-response). Naturally absorbs & mirrors traits of others. Sympathy, compassion, empathy (or emotional drama, insecurity, easily hooked, betrayed). Lives in own reality, tenacious with their viewpoint, impervious to logic, passionate about what uniquely frames their view (forges perception of the actual from their concept of the ideal). Favors complexity over simplicity. Dwells within the unknown, choosing mystery over revelation.

Angular Uranus (Asc 4°44')
Strongly individualistic, independent, going their own way. Needs freedom & breathing room (physical, intellectual) and frequent renewal (through new interests & experiences, shedding inhibitions, shaking loose stale conditions). Responds strongly to the new, unexpected, thrilling, colorful, exciting. Pragmatic realist anchored by naked truth (seeker who forges an ideal from experience of the actual). Clownish, fun. Prefers disclosure over mystery.

MOON
Moon in Pisces
Most truly themselves when being someone else. Dramatizes a personal fiction; “big fish” confidence (self-important, airs?). Love having a “secret side.” Divas. Emotionally driven (haunted). Fascinated with the unknown. Religious thinking style. Faith, commitment to beliefs or vision. Judgmental. Hardened personal reality (stuck patterns).

SUN
Sun in Taurus
Charming, good-hearted, tolerant, forthright. Loves peace, beauty, nature, comfort, simplicity. Devoted friend keenly understands people. Willingly vulnerable, open; feels things powerfully. Erotic (sexually, sensually, philosophically). Deeply loving parent. Prolific in all areas of creativity.

Sun Conjunct Mercury (2°12')
Resourceful, knack for organization, likely will do well in the business world, effectively self-expressive. One’s ideas are (unconsciously?) equated with the ego, so altering an opinion may feel like compromising oneself. Intellectual pride, stubbornness. Strong need to identify oneself with rationality, to affirm one’s sanity and reasonableness.

Sun Square Saturn (2°54')
Effective survivors, self-sufficient, hardworking, accomplishing. Used to work, few luxuries; preferring private, modest accommodations. Not always good control on strong impulses, but generally very good control of small & medium-sized ones. Authority (likely paternal) issues to overcome. Serious; enjoy deep subjects; yet few have so good a sense of humor! Childhood hardships common, circumstances force early maturation.

Sun Opposite Pluto (2°56')
A “law unto themselves,” “the exception to the rule.” Little respect for arbitrary expectations. Antiauthoritarian, needs to be free from arbitrary or incompetent control. Comfortable as “outsider” or “congenial bad boy.” Often seems aloof, unresponsive, but rarely harsh; usually kind, “live and let live.”

MARS
Mars in Cancer
Inner strength (prodigious imagination & fantasy) usually holds private demons at bay; but clings to old wounds (angry, acting out, selfish, retaliatory from old mistreatment). Breeds confidence, makes things happen; loyal, speaks truth to power; but wants a chance to lead. Magnetic (passionate following?). Wants adoration sexually (otherwise business-like).

MERCURY
Mercury in Taurus
Speech is harmonious, gracious, calming, poetic. Light-hearted, pleasant, good-humored, entertaining. Deep & curious mind, given to study, curious about life’s mysteries (Eros dominates the thinking). Strong on artistic expression & making beautiful things (more fine craft than fine art).

Mercury Square Saturn (0°42')
Organizes and formats information in orderly arrangements. (Often blazingly quick thinkers once the framework is established; cf. a spreadsheet.) Methodical, logical, often routinized thinking processes. Skeptical, scrutinizing (distrustful). Obstinate in the absence of new evidence. Hesitant until oriented, then decisive, e.g., learning starts slowly, then catch up quickly. Gifted with considerable mental power, but easily discouraged (doubting). Treats life seriously. Needs to learn how to play.

Mercury Semi-square Venus (0°19')
Gracious charmer, persuasive, sweet talker. Light-hearted, pleasant. Pleasure in learning. Probably a happy childhood; retains a playful, childlike sense, a charm of immaturity.

VENUS
Venus in Pisces
Fantasy relationships. Tender, vulnerable, exploring mystery of another. Wants “true friend” who won’t betray. Charmers, weave endearing image (tend to get their way). Seducible, easily enticed, suggestible. Fond of strong erotic imagery & sensory stimuli. Passions easily aroused, torrential. Mystic; God connection. Receptive to beauty; artistic interests. Can be unreasoning, led by instinct (a few are plain crazy).

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I'm trying to understand how we calculate the west point.
Am I right to say that the MC is always going to be exactly south & the IC always will be exactly North? So if I take that MC/IC axis, and then move 90 degrees, I should get my exact west point & east point, right (which should be staggered from my AC/DC).

When I do that, I calculate my WP to be 19 Cancer 23. That places her mars 4 degrees & 5 seconds off of the WP.

Whats wrong with my reasoning here?


Also, Mercury appears to be Sesquisquare with the AC by 46 seconds. How would this relationship be interpreted, and is this even a reliable metric?

[Jim Eshelman]

I'm trying to understand how we calculate the west point.
Am I right to say that the MC is always going to be exactly south & the IC always will be exactly North? So if I take that MC/IC axis, and then move 90 degrees, I should get my exact west point & east point, right (which should be staggered from my AC/DC).

When I do that, I calculate my WP to be 19 Cancer 23. That places her mars 4 degrees & 5 seconds off of the WP.

Whats wrong with my reasoning here?

You're on the right track. You're still missing that we measure this in multiple frameworks. In complicated. Let me step through it.

The EP-WP are geometrically those points where the horizon, prime vertical, and celestial equator all intersect. That is, they are the points due east and west on the horizon, and these are also always, in addition the points 90° from MC-IC measured along the celestial equator (in Right Ascension).

There are two ways to address it, depending on whether we want to measure these squares to MC in celestial longitude (along the ecliptic) or right ascension (along the equator). What might be confusing you is: We want both. They're both valid.

Measuring in celestial longitude (ecliptic): The longitude of any planet, star, or point of any kind is found by dropping a great circle through the point, perpendicular to the ecliptic. When you do this to the EP or WP, you always get the exact ecliptical squares to the MC-IC (19°23' Cap-Can in your example). That's one valid measurement.

Measuring in right ascension (equator): This one is more complicated because we can't show it directly on the horoscope. We can only drop a marker that approximates it, then check in a different coordinate system. We start by adding 90° to the right ascension (not longitude!) of Midheaven and then seeing what longitude corresponds to that on the ecliptic. Back when charts were calculated by hand, this was done by adding 6 hours (90°) to the Sidereal Time of a chart, and calculating the Midheaven for that new Sidereal Time. This value is what we put on the actual face of the horoscope as the Eastpoint. (In your girlfriend's chart it is 14°29' Capricorn.) Here is what that point means: If a planet is exactly on the ecliptic (0° celestial latitude) - such as the Sun always is - it would have this longitude when it was 90° from MC in right ascension.

However, if a planet does have any celestial latitude above 0°, this point won't exactly show a planet on the EP/WP. It's only a flag for us to go look elsewhere. The way we do this is look up he right ascension of the the planet (such as her Mars) and the right ascension of the EP/WP (or right ascension of MC + 90°) and measure the orb that way. Measured this way, your girlfriend's Mars is 1°19' from Westpoint.

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Thanks for that detailed explanation!

I created a mundoscope for her chart to analyze the angularities. Here is what I produced - https://imgur.com/a/hYwlyo7
(Without the harmonic transformation, I get the exact same chart picture that you posted btw)

Moon & Venus should be ~90 degrees from the ASC, but they don't appear to be in my chart. Moon & Venus are also separated by 4 degrees on my chart, but they are both squaring the ASC within 1 degree of each other in the synopsis you posted.

How did you determine these squares?

[Jim Eshelman]

Going from memory, Moon and Venus were square her Ascendant in celestial longitude, that is in the horoscope not in the mundoscope.

You need both.