Donald Trump & the USA chart

[Jim Eshelman]

I've never spent much time comparing presidents' charts to the U.S. chart. I think I looked a time or two and wasn't impressed. But maybe this deserves a more serious look after what I just saw comparing Donald Trump's chart to the U.S. natal.

First, a lot of people who favored him thought that, as a rich businessman, he would be especially good for commerce and the economy. Objectively, though his own businesses have performed less than brilliantly, the U.S. economy has strongly continued the Obama Recovery under Trump's watch and there certainly has been a lot of attention to matters of commerce and trade. With this in mind, I note:

DJT Jupiter 23°28' Virgo
USA Saturn 23°11' Virgo
USA MC 24°00' Gemini

DJT Mercury 14°52' Gemini
USA Jupiter 14°15' Gemini

Additionally, Trump has had the effect of pissing the {bonk} off half the nation and setting the other half on fire. Take a look at these:

DJT Mars 2°47' Leo
USA Moon 2°35' Aquarius

DJT Moon 27°13' Scorpio
DJT Sun 28°565' Taurus
USA Mars 29°37' Taurus

There's one more partile aspect that I can't say I know what it means, but need to list it for completeness:

DJT Neptune 11°51' Virgo
USA Venus 11°14' Gemini

I found this interesting.

[SteveS]

Very interesting Jim!

[Jim Eshelman]

A few other spot-checking examples...

LINCOLN's Moon (4°55' Cap) conj. USA Pluto (5°56' Cap) fits, and his Mercury (18°14' Aqu) sq. USA Uranus (17°18' Tau) practically screams "Emancipation Proclamation." His Jupiter 0°00' Pisces square US Mars 29°37' Tau might be read as "success in war." His Sun was 1°12' from conjunct US Moon.

OBAMA's Jupiter (6°39' Cap) conjoined US Pluto (5°56' Cap). Not sure what I'd make of that. He had several other interchanges just outside partile orb, but this is the only partile one.

CLINTON's Sun (2°01' Leo) exactly opposed US Moon (2°35' Aqu). That's all; and his connection to the US public was more intimate and personal than with most presidents. (No matter what someone tried to do to him, his popularity would just increase another notch.)

EISENHOWER's Mars (20°53' Sag) opposed US Sun (21°31' Gem) and, before he was America's president he was America's general.

FDR's chart is shockingly disconnected from the US chart in terms of partile aspects except... most fitting... USA Mars 29°37' Taurus was on FDR's MC 29°02' Taurus. He did many things of importance before WW II but was unquestionably America's war president.

WASHINGTON, who was present in Philadelphia on July 4, 1776, has a strange connection that may show his personal responses on that day more than his relationship to the nation. His Saturn (11°41' Pis) squares US Venus (11°14' Gem). America's first great general, his Mars (2°14' Sco) squared US Moon (2°35' Aqu). I expected more, but understand the complexities that this wasn't an after-the-fact mating, but that he was there at the time and these were his transits urging regrettable but necessary action on that day.

For comparison, JOHN ADAMS was there that day, too, and it is easier to take the US chart as transits to his natal that day in Independence Hall, more than anything else. His Pluto (5°03' Lib) sq. US Pluto (5°56' Cap). His Uranus (29°54' Sco) was op. US Mars (29°37' Tau). His Mars (24°37' Vir) sq. us MC (24°00' Gem).

JEFFERSON was in the same boat, and was more intimately connected with the affairs of July 4 than any of the others. His Uranus (5°47' Cap) conjoined US Pluto (5°06' Cap). His Sun (2°35' Ari) squared US Mercury (2°40' Can) as he became an immortalized author on that exact day. If my rectification is correct, his Moon (0°01'Sag) opposed US Mars (29°37' Tau) on a day his anger was surely fired.

JFK's impact on America and American's was profound in his short tenure. Does this show in the relationship of his chart to the USA chart? His Saturn (3°34' Can) conjoined US Mercury (2°40' Can). Not much, and it can be taken a couple of contradictory ways.

LYNDON JOHNSON conceived a Great Society with his Jupiter (3°07' Leo) op. US Moon (2°35' Aqu). Also, his Mercury squared US Uranus. It might be taken as a nudging the country toward more socialism (and separately overseeing a season of deep national grief) that his Neptune (22°52' Gem) squared US Saturn (23°11'Vir).

[SteveS]

Excellent observations Jim.